What is happening to our beloved platform? After attending RIA Unleashed a few weeks ago I was very excited about the new mobile development progress made. Flex 4.6 is exactly what I thought my company needed to deploy our app to iPads. Adobe's evangelists assured us that the current focus on HTML5 was to bring both technologies into the same light. My company is planning to start a project the beginning of next year which could encompass all aspects of the Flex offerings. A fresh new browser app, a desktop app with offline support, and an iPad/iPhone solution. It seemed like the perfect way to leverage our existing Flex/Flash code and lower maintenance cost by sharing code between the various platforms. It's an enterprise solution, and I thought that is what Flex excelled at.
This past week, I have seen a whole new perspective from Adobe and the community. Adobe is now saying Flex is not a long term solution for enterprise application development. I'm OK with Flex going open source, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. Flex can only succeed if Adobe continues to back AIR, Mobile, and Flash player. Without their support, the technology will die. How can I convince my executive staff that Flex is still the right solution when Adobe doesn't appear to be standing behind it?
I've worked in JavaScript before and I really don't want to go back. All this buzz about HTML5 just doesn't have me convinced that it can replace Flex. From what I've seen of Adobe Edge, it is just a replacement for the original Flash IDE...which no enterprise developer in their right mind would use to create an app.
So I guess the big question is, if we are starting a new project, should we invest in Flex? ...or should we read between the lines and look elsewhere for an enterprise platform?
*Does Adobe recommend we use Flex or HTML5 for our enterprise application development?* In the long-term, we believe HTML5 will be the best technology for enterprise application development. We also know that, currently, Flex has clear benefits for large-scale client projects typically associated with desktop application profiles. Given our experiences innovating on Flex, we are extremely well positioned to positively contribute to the advancement of HTML5 development, starting with mobile applications. In fact, many of the engineers and product managers who worked on Flex SDK will be moving to work on our HTML efforts. We will continue making significant contributions to open web technologies like WebKit & jQuery, advance the development of PhoneGap and create new tools that solve the challenges developers face when building applications with HTML5.
It seems quite clear that Flex as a route to mobile devices powered by Android or iOS, television, automotive consoles, etc. is effectively closed. Some noise was made about making further investments in AIR for traditional desktop systems. That so many enterprise RFPs require addressing a wide audience of client devices does, in my mind as least, preclude Flex as a primary delivery mechanism. There will be cases where the deployment targets are more limited and where the expected lifetime of the software is short. Here Flex could continue to be viable for several months. Otherwise, I recommend considering native applications and HTML5. There are advantages and disadvantages to both which you will need to evaluate on a project-by-project basis.
> What is happening to our beloved platform? After attending RIA Unleashed a few weeks ago I was very excited about the new mobile development progress made. Flex 4.6 is exactly what I thought my company needed to deploy our app to iPads. Adobe's evangelists assured us that the current focus on HTML5 was to bring both technologies into the same light. My company is planning to start a project the beginning of next year which could encompass all aspects of the Flex offerings. A fresh new browser app, a desktop app with offline support, and an iPad/iPhone solution. It seemed like the perfect way to leverage our existing Flex/Flash code and lower maintenance cost by sharing code between the various platforms. It's an enterprise solution, and I thought that is what Flex excelled at.
> This past week, I have seen a whole new perspective from Adobe and the community. Adobe is now saying Flex is not a long term solution for enterprise application development. I'm OK with Flex going open source, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. Flex can only succeed if Adobe continues to back AIR, Mobile, and Flash player. Without their support, the technology will die. How can I convince my executive staff that Flex is still the right solution when Adobe doesn't appear to be standing behind it?
> I've worked in JavaScript before and I really don't want to go back. All this buzz about HTML5 just doesn't have me convinced that it can replace Flex. From what I've seen of Adobe Edge, it is just a replacement for the original Flash IDE...which no enterprise developer in their right mind would use to create an app.
> So I guess the big question is, if we are starting a new project, should we invest in Flex? ...or should we read between the lines and look elsewhere for an enterprise platform?
> " > Does Adobe recommend we use Flex or HTML5 for our enterprise application development? > In the long-term, we believe HTML5 will be the best technology for enterprise application development. We also know that, currently, Flex has clear benefits for large-scale client projects typically associated with desktop application profiles. > Given our experiences innovating on Flex, we are extremely well positioned to positively contribute to the advancement of HTML5 development, starting with mobile applications. In fact, many of the engineers and product managers who worked on Flex SDK will be moving to work on our HTML efforts. We will continue making significant contributions to open web technologies like WebKit & jQuery, advance the development of PhoneGap and create new tools that solve the challenges developers face when building applications with HTML5. > " > Christopher Huyler > ch...@huyler.net
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Short term whatever saves you time and provides the capabilities you need. Long term... the writing is on the wall. WOW. I never really loved Flex, but it has it's place. Now it's going to die too it seems.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote: > Dear Fellow Flex Developers,
> What is happening to our beloved platform? After attending RIA Unleashed > a few weeks ago I was very excited about the new mobile development > progress made. Flex 4.6 is exactly what I thought my company needed to > deploy our app to iPads. Adobe's evangelists assured us that the current > focus on HTML5 was to bring both technologies into the same light. My > company is planning to start a project the beginning of next year which > could encompass all aspects of the Flex offerings. A fresh new browser > app, a desktop app with offline support, and an iPad/iPhone solution. It > seemed like the perfect way to leverage our existing Flex/Flash code and > lower maintenance cost by sharing code between the various platforms. It's > an enterprise solution, and I thought that is what Flex excelled at.
> This past week, I have seen a whole new perspective from Adobe and the > community. Adobe is now saying Flex is not a long term solution for > enterprise application development. I'm OK with Flex going open source, > but that's just one piece of the puzzle. Flex can only succeed if Adobe > continues to back AIR, Mobile, and Flash player. Without their support, > the technology will die. How can I convince my executive staff that Flex > is still the right solution when Adobe doesn't appear to be standing behind > it?
> I've worked in JavaScript before and I really don't want to go back. All > this buzz about HTML5 just doesn't have me convinced that it can replace > Flex. From what I've seen of Adobe Edge, it is just a replacement for the > original Flash IDE...which no enterprise developer in their right mind > would use to create an app.
> So I guess the big question is, if we are starting a new project, should > we invest in Flex? ...or should we read between the lines and look > elsewhere for an enterprise platform?
> *Does Adobe recommend we use Flex or HTML5 for our enterprise application > development?* > In the long-term, we believe HTML5 will be the best technology for > enterprise application development. We also know that, currently, Flex has > clear benefits for large-scale client projects typically associated with > desktop application profiles. > Given our experiences innovating on Flex, we are extremely well positioned > to positively contribute to the advancement of HTML5 development, starting > with mobile applications. In fact, many of the engineers and product > managers who worked on Flex SDK will be moving to work on our HTML efforts. > We will continue making significant contributions to open web technologies > like WebKit & jQuery, advance the development of PhoneGap and create new > tools that solve the challenges developers face when building applications > with HTML5.
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I know its hard right now but please try to be patient as there are more details coming from Andrew and Deepa very soon. I can't divulge any details as the specifics are still being determined I am told but everything I have heard has been good and I think the community will be happier. My understanding is that they were pushing to post the details either today or perhaps tomorrow. I know that seems like an eternity right now, what with clients calling people asking for answers, but given that we have done a less than stellar job over the past week communicating with our developer communities, I think the goal is simply to ensure it is done correctly even if that means a little more slowly.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote: > Dear Fellow Flex Developers,
> What is happening to our beloved platform? After attending RIA Unleashed > a few weeks ago I was very excited about the new mobile development > progress made. Flex 4.6 is exactly what I thought my company needed to > deploy our app to iPads. Adobe's evangelists assured us that the current > focus on HTML5 was to bring both technologies into the same light. My > company is planning to start a project the beginning of next year which > could encompass all aspects of the Flex offerings. A fresh new browser > app, a desktop app with offline support, and an iPad/iPhone solution. It > seemed like the perfect way to leverage our existing Flex/Flash code and > lower maintenance cost by sharing code between the various platforms. It's > an enterprise solution, and I thought that is what Flex excelled at.
> This past week, I have seen a whole new perspective from Adobe and the > community. Adobe is now saying Flex is not a long term solution for > enterprise application development. I'm OK with Flex going open source, > but that's just one piece of the puzzle. Flex can only succeed if Adobe > continues to back AIR, Mobile, and Flash player. Without their support, > the technology will die. How can I convince my executive staff that Flex > is still the right solution when Adobe doesn't appear to be standing behind > it?
> I've worked in JavaScript before and I really don't want to go back. All > this buzz about HTML5 just doesn't have me convinced that it can replace > Flex. From what I've seen of Adobe Edge, it is just a replacement for the > original Flash IDE...which no enterprise developer in their right mind > would use to create an app.
> So I guess the big question is, if we are starting a new project, should > we invest in Flex? ...or should we read between the lines and look > elsewhere for an enterprise platform?
> *Does Adobe recommend we use Flex or HTML5 for our enterprise application > development?* > In the long-term, we believe HTML5 will be the best technology for > enterprise application development. We also know that, currently, Flex has > clear benefits for large-scale client projects typically associated with > desktop application profiles. > Given our experiences innovating on Flex, we are extremely well positioned > to positively contribute to the advancement of HTML5 development, starting > with mobile applications. In fact, many of the engineers and product > managers who worked on Flex SDK will be moving to work on our HTML efforts. > We will continue making significant contributions to open web technologies > like WebKit & jQuery, advance the development of PhoneGap and create new > tools that solve the challenges developers face when building applications > with HTML5.
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com> wrote: > Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for many > years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got sketchier.
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Brian, Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm interested to see the other side of story.
Marsh, Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of it though.
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote: > Brian, > Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm interested > to see the other side of story.
> Marsh, > Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street > because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of > it though.
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com> wrote:
>>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for many >>> years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got sketchier.
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Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental Falcon/JS cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being contributed to Apache Foundation. Flex will be a true, community-driven open source project but Adobe will continue to contribute and have staff dedicated to contributing. http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote:
>> Brian, >> Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm interested >> to see the other side of story.
>> Marsh, >> Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street >> because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of >> it though.
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com> wrote:
>>>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for many >>>> years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got sketchier.
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This arrangement with Apache Foundation does provide a potential way forward . . . but, its, by no means, a slam-dunk. Every day, all the major open source foundations are presented with opportunities to become 'home' for commercial projects that have failed or are being abandoned. Most of them are not accepted. It will take some serious effort on the part of Adobe to convince Apache that the Flex suite has a bright future and the ingredients to attract serious community support. If you were in Apache's shoes, how much weight would you place on Adobe's commitment to continued project guidance and contributions?
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> Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental Falcon/JS > cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being contributed to Apache > Foundation. Flex will be a true, community-driven open source project > but Adobe will continue to contribute and have staff dedicated to > contributing. http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net > <mailto:ch...@huyler.net>> wrote:
> Brian, > Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm > interested to see the other side of story.
> Marsh, > Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the > street because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my > resume by the end of it though.
> Christopher Huyler > ch...@huyler.net <mailto:ch...@huyler.net>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Marsh Sutherland > <ma...@referralbon.us <mailto:ma...@referralbon.us>> wrote:
> Well, if you're looking for a Flex / Actionscript job, > I've got a great one for you.
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Guess that depends on whether they will still be selling an IDE and something like LiveCycle. If they are still vested then i would think to some degree? They submitted the SDK - not their products.
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> On 11/15/2011 7:52 PM, Brian Rinaldi wrote:
> Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental Falcon/JS > cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being contributed to Apache > Foundation. Flex will be a true, community-driven open source project but > Adobe will continue to contribute and have staff dedicated to contributing. > http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote:
>>> Brian, >>> Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm interested >>> to see the other side of story.
>>> Marsh, >>> Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street >>> because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of >>> it though.
>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for >>>>> many years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got >>>>> sketchier.
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I think that this move might have been the strategic link to get that community support which is pretty much required at this point for flex to grow. The web development community tends to back something like HTML 5 when it has the promise (and i ALMOST used quotes around "promise") to solve platform gaps. If an overwhelming amount of developers back flex - then adobe cant stop making (and selling) their IDE if it brings in potential income.
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:58 PM, justin whiting <whiting.jus...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Guess that depends on whether they will still be selling an IDE and > something like LiveCycle. If they are still vested then i would think to > some degree? They submitted the SDK - not their products.
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Idelson <jim.idel...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> This arrangement with Apache Foundation does provide a potential way >> forward . . . but, its, by no means, a slam-dunk. Every day, all the major >> open source foundations are presented with opportunities to become 'home' >> for commercial projects that have failed or are being abandoned. Most of >> them are not accepted. It will take some serious effort on the part of >> Adobe to convince Apache that the Flex suite has a bright future and the >> ingredients to attract serious community support. If you were in Apache's >> shoes, how much weight would you place on Adobe's commitment to continued >> project guidance and contributions?
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>> On 11/15/2011 7:52 PM, Brian Rinaldi wrote:
>> Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental Falcon/JS >> cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being contributed to Apache >> Foundation. Flex will be a true, community-driven open source project but >> Adobe will continue to contribute and have staff dedicated to contributing. >> http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote:
>>>> Brian, >>>> Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm >>>> interested to see the other side of story.
>>>> Marsh, >>>> Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street >>>> because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of >>>> it though.
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for >>>>>> many years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got >>>>>> sketchier.
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Imagine if the deal were a little different -- contribution of all the pieces already in the pot PLUS Flashbuilder -- and instead of the new home being Apache -- make it the Eclipse Foundation. And, envision Flashbuilder becoming a free extension to Eclipse IDE.
We use BIRT <http://eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/> - a reporting package managed in the Eclipse world. It includes a designer extension for Eclipse IDE, and it is sponsored commercially by Actuate. Actuate has a whole commercial version that goes way beyond the OS version. But the OS version is very powerful on its own. This model inspires a lot of activity. I think the availability of the open source IDE is a critical component of that success.
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> Guess that depends on whether they will still be selling an IDE and > something like LiveCycle. If they are still vested then i would think > to some degree? They submitted the SDK - not their products.
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Idelson <jim.idel...@gmail.com > <mailto:jim.idel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> This arrangement with Apache Foundation does provide a potential > way forward . . . but, its, by no means, a slam-dunk. Every day, > all the major open source foundations are presented with > opportunities to become 'home' for commercial projects that have > failed or are being abandoned. Most of them are not accepted. It > will take some serious effort on the part of Adobe to convince > Apache that the Flex suite has a bright future and the ingredients > to attract serious community support. If you were in Apache's > shoes, how much weight would you place on Adobe's commitment to > continued project guidance and contributions?
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> On 11/15/2011 7:52 PM, Brian Rinaldi wrote: >> Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental >> Falcon/JS cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being >> contributed to Apache Foundation. Flex will be a true, >> community-driven open source project but Adobe will continue to >> contribute and have staff dedicated to contributing. >> http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler >> <ch...@huyler.net <mailto:ch...@huyler.net>> wrote:
>> Brian, >> Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. >> I'm interested to see the other side of story.
>> Marsh, >> Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on >> the street because of this. I may however be adding >> HTML5 to my resume by the end of it though.
>> Christopher Huyler >> ch...@huyler.net <mailto:ch...@huyler.net>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Marsh Sutherland >> <ma...@referralbon.us <mailto:ma...@referralbon.us>> wrote:
>> Well, if you're looking for a Flex / Actionscript >> job, I've got a great one for you.
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis >> <p...@pfdstudio.com <mailto:p...@pfdstudio.com>> wrote:
>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it >> kept me employed for many years. Then Adobe >> backed away from PostScript, and things got >> sketchier.
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As for Flash Builder, to reiterate what the FAQ states, Adobe plans to continue to develop it. I understand the lack of trust, but the model we are pursuing is one that has worked with other products and I think if we as a company are committed, which I truly believe we are, this could be both successful and beneficial for the Flex community.
On another note, both Michelle Yaiser and myself are hoping to get the Flex UG and the Flash Platform UG (and maybe the Flash UG at Harvard and the CFUG) together in the next couple weeks to try to address people's concerns by answering them directly and in person as best we can.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Jim Idelson <jim.idel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good points, Justin.
> Imagine if the deal were a little different -- contribution of all the > pieces already in the pot PLUS Flashbuilder -- and instead of the new home > being Apache -- make it the Eclipse Foundation. And, envision Flashbuilder > becoming a free extension to Eclipse IDE.
> We use BIRT <http://eclipse.org/birt/phoenix/> - a reporting package > managed in the Eclipse world. It includes a designer extension for Eclipse > IDE, and it is sponsored commercially by Actuate. Actuate has a whole > commercial version that goes way beyond the OS version. But the OS version > is very powerful on its own. This model inspires a lot of activity. I think > the availability of the open source IDE is a critical component of that > success.
> -- > Regards,
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> On 11/15/2011 11:58 PM, justin whiting wrote:
> Guess that depends on whether they will still be selling an IDE and > something like LiveCycle. If they are still vested then i would think to > some degree? They submitted the SDK - not their products.
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Idelson <jim.idel...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> This arrangement with Apache Foundation does provide a potential way >> forward . . . but, its, by no means, a slam-dunk. Every day, all the major >> open source foundations are presented with opportunities to become 'home' >> for commercial projects that have failed or are being abandoned. Most of >> them are not accepted. It will take some serious effort on the part of >> Adobe to convince Apache that the Flex suite has a bright future and the >> ingredients to attract serious community support. If you were in Apache's >> shoes, how much weight would you place on Adobe's commitment to continued >> project guidance and contributions?
>> -- >> Regards,
>> Jim >> _________________________ >> Jim Idelson >> CEO and Founder >> DesigNET International >> 96 Morse Road, Sudbury, MA 01776 >> Tel: 978.443.5549www.designet.com
>> On 11/15/2011 7:52 PM, Brian Rinaldi wrote:
>> Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental Falcon/JS >> cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being contributed to Apache >> Foundation. Flex will be a true, community-driven open source project but >> Adobe will continue to contribute and have staff dedicated to contributing. >> http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote:
>>>> Brian, >>>> Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm >>>> interested to see the other side of story.
>>>> Marsh, >>>> Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street >>>> because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of >>>> it though.
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for >>>>>> many years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got >>>>>> sketchier.
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To add to Brian's last point, I will have more specific details soon and will be happy to share them at UG meetings as well as post them here.
The board and officers of the Open Spoon Foundation, have been meeting and working at a pace that feels like nearly round the clock. We are the ones who have worked with Adobe to make this an Apache project. Of course all the details are still being worked out as there is a process to becoming part of Apache.
As the volunteer coordinator for the Spoon Project, I can tell you that there is a lot of support from the community as my inbox is constantly receiving new messages from developers volunteering to help. You can volunteer by sending an email to volunt...@spoon.as
The Spoon Project will be posting info as we can on our website http://www.spoon.as/
We just ask for a little patience right now, but stay tuned!
Cheers, Michelle
------------------------------------------- Michelle L. Yaiser Volunteer Coordinator for the Spoon Project Developer Education for Adobe http://www.michelleyaiser.com/ Twitter: MichelleYaiser miche...@michelleyaiser.com
> As for Flash Builder, to reiterate what the FAQ states, Adobe plans to continue to develop it. I understand the lack of trust, but the model we are pursuing is one that has worked with other products and I think if we as a company are committed, which I truly believe we are, this could be both successful and beneficial for the Flex community.
> On another note, both Michelle Yaiser and myself are hoping to get the Flex UG and the Flash Platform UG (and maybe the Flash UG at Harvard and the CFUG) together in the next couple weeks to try to address people's concerns by answering them directly and in person as best we can.
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Jim Idelson <jim.idel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good points, Justin.
> Imagine if the deal were a little different -- contribution of all the pieces already in the pot PLUS Flashbuilder -- and instead of the new home being Apache -- make it the Eclipse Foundation. And, envision Flashbuilder becoming a free extension to Eclipse IDE.
> We use BIRT - a reporting package managed in the Eclipse world. It includes a designer extension for Eclipse IDE, and it is sponsored commercially by Actuate. Actuate has a whole commercial version that goes way beyond the OS version. But the OS version is very powerful on its own. This model inspires a lot of activity. I think the availability of the open source IDE is a critical component of that success.
> -- > Regards,
> Jim > _________________________ > Jim Idelson > CEO and Founder > DesigNET International > 96 Morse Road, Sudbury, MA 01776 > Tel: 978.443.5549 > www.designet.com
> On 11/15/2011 11:58 PM, justin whiting wrote:
>> Guess that depends on whether they will still be selling an IDE and something like LiveCycle. If they are still vested then i would think to some degree? They submitted the SDK - not their products.
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Jim Idelson <jim.idel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> This arrangement with Apache Foundation does provide a potential way forward . . . but, its, by no means, a slam-dunk. Every day, all the major open source foundations are presented with opportunities to become 'home' for commercial projects that have failed or are being abandoned. Most of them are not accepted. It will take some serious effort on the part of Adobe to convince Apache that the Flex suite has a bright future and the ingredients to attract serious community support. If you were in Apache's shoes, how much weight would you place on Adobe's commitment to continued project guidance and contributions? >> -- >> Regards,
>> Jim >> _________________________ >> Jim Idelson >> CEO and Founder >> DesigNET International >> 96 Morse Road, Sudbury, MA 01776 >> Tel: 978.443.5549 >> www.designet.com
>> On 11/15/2011 7:52 PM, Brian Rinaldi wrote:
>>> Here are the details. Flex, BlazeDS, Falcon, experimental Falcon/JS cross-compiler & Flex testing tools all being contributed to Apache Foundation. Flex will be a true, community-driven open source project but Adobe will continue to contribute and have staff dedicated to contributing. http://adobe.ly/tkvYcQ
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Eric E. Dolecki <edole...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Pick up native Android (Java) and iOS to your repertoire maybe too. That's what I've been doing for a while now.
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Chris Huyler <ch...@huyler.net> wrote: >>> Brian, >>> Please post any details you receive to this mail thread. I'm interested to see the other side of story.
>>> Marsh, >>> Thanks for the offer but I don't think I'm going to be on the street because of this. I may however be adding HTML5 to my resume by the end of it though.
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Marsh Sutherland <ma...@referralbon.us> wrote: >>> Well, if you're looking for a Flex / Actionscript job, I've got a great one for you.
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Peter Davis <p...@pfdstudio.com> wrote: >>> Years ago, I taught myself PostScript, and it kept me employed for many years. Then Adobe backed away from PostScript, and things got sketchier.
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