Job: ROR Superstar Needed

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Chris M Winter Wyman

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Apr 25, 2010, 7:24:43 PM4/25/10
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Long term contract in Boston with a chance for permanent. Converting
PHP to ROR. Immediate on site need. Email me ASAP and lets talk

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ben wiseley

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Apr 25, 2010, 7:35:27 PM4/25/10
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I'm not a Superstar, nor a Ninja and I'm of course not a Rock Star but, damn if I can't code my way out of a conflict with a Banana (or other dangerous fruits).  Unlike most Superstar/Ninja/Rock Stars coders I (when not quilting) enjoy quiet hours in dark rooms writting CRUD code.  Maybe "enjoy" is too strong a word.  Anyway.... tea anyone?

-ben

Dmitry

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Apr 25, 2010, 7:54:46 PM4/25/10
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Anybody has a code example how to login to a Rails app with FaceBook API call?

Here is the PHP example, 
http://developers.facebook.com/docs/guides/web#login

If someone has already figured out how to do the same in Rails, some gist would be highly appreciated.

thanks

ben wiseley

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Apr 25, 2010, 8:04:05 PM4/25/10
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I haven't done this yet but my friend Ben Curtis has a $12 Rails Kit example app http://www.bencurtis.com/2010/04/facebook-rails-integration-with-oauth2/

James A. Rosen

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Apr 25, 2010, 8:31:34 PM4/25/10
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Is anyone else frustrated with how people are looking for Rails
"ninjas" and "rockstars?" Whatever happened to being a smart, hard-
working, energetic team player who doesn't make it a hobby to kill
people in the middle of the night or demand bowl-fulls of green M&Ms?

On Apr 25, 7:35 pm, ben wiseley <wisel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not a Superstar, nor a Ninja and I'm of course not a Rock Star but, damn
> if I can't code my way out of a conflict with a Banana (or other dangerous
> fruits).  Unlike most Superstar/Ninja/Rock Stars coders I (when not
> quilting) enjoy quiet hours in dark rooms writting CRUD code.  Maybe "enjoy"
> is too strong a word.  Anyway.... tea anyone?
>
> -ben
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Chris M Winter Wyman <
>
> cmitch...@winterwyman.com> wrote:
> > Long term contract in Boston with a chance for permanent. Converting
> > PHP to ROR.  Immediate on site need.  Email me ASAP and lets talk
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Phil Darnowsky

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Apr 25, 2010, 8:36:47 PM4/25/10
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--- On Sun, 4/25/10, ben wiseley <wise...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not a Superstar, nor a Ninja and I'm of course not a Rock Star but,
> damn if I can't code my way out of a conflict with a Banana (or other
> dangerous fruits).

What if you've got a pointed stick?

Jonathan Dance

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Apr 25, 2010, 8:42:43 PM4/25/10
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> Is anyone else frustrated with how people are looking for Rails
> "ninjas" and "rockstars?" Whatever happened to being a smart, hard-
> working, energetic team player who doesn't make it a hobby to kill
> people in the middle of the night or demand bowl-fulls of green M&Ms?

Absolutely agree with this sentiment. There's been a few good articles about this:
http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/stop-seeking-out-the-ninjas-hackers-and-rockstars-how-to-write-better-job-descriptions/
http://www.thefailingpoint.com/2009/08/buildingateam/believe-that-you-need-to-hire-rock-stars/

(and probably a few more out there, as well)

I'm guessing the description Chris posted was probably a turn-off for a lot of people. Probably not the best way to find someone given the current demand for experienced Rails developers.

JD

Wyatt Greene

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Apr 25, 2010, 9:31:46 PM4/25/10
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Personally, I'm tired of the rockstar meme and, unfortunately, it seems to be growing in popularity: www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rockstar&l=boston

I think the term has entered the vocabulary so that entrepreneurs and recruiters innocently use "rockstar" as a synonym with "highly skilled developer".  I don't think they realize that the term is getting very tired and old!  But I guess there may be developers who aren't tired of the term yet.  In the end, it's not a big deal.  However, don't expect to attract the best and brightest Rails developers if you litter your rockstar post with misused punctuation and ALL CAPS!

ni...@hanoian.com

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Apr 25, 2010, 10:00:58 PM4/25/10
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Venture capitalists and business people want to hear buzzword about rock
stars. But no amount of rock stars can replace one professional
individual.

Phil Darnowsky

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Apr 25, 2010, 10:53:58 PM4/25/10
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--- On Sun, 4/25/10, Wyatt Greene <techi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the term has entered the vocabulary so that entrepreneurs and
> recruiters innocently use "rockstar" as a synonym with "highly skilled
> developer".  I don't think they realize that the term is getting very
> tired and old!  

Seriously, what's wrong with "hacker"? It's a well established term that everyone (in the field, anyway) should understand by now.

Next time someone calls me about a rockstar job, I'm gonna ask if I can show up drunk and 4 hours late, and if I get groupies.

Wyatt Greene

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Apr 25, 2010, 11:40:09 PM4/25/10
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I remember a time when hacker was a pejorative term used for people
who programmed with duct tape. I think the meaning has changed to
simply mean (web) developer. I never refer to myself as a hacker,
though, as it feels like I'm insulting myself. :)

Wyatt Greene

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Apr 25, 2010, 11:43:02 PM4/25/10
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By the way, Mr. Mitchell, I hope you don't feel unwelcome because of
the "rockstar" tangent that spun off of this post, even though you
didn't even use the term "rockstar"! I appreciate you bringing this
position to our attention.

Tyler McMullen

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Apr 26, 2010, 1:29:05 AM4/26/10
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I really must say... Who cares?  It's simply recruiters trying to seem edgy, trendy, and cool.  It's stupid... But it's harmless.

Hell, I'd say you could use it as a filter for determining when a job is not worth looking into.


Tyler

Michael Breen

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Apr 26, 2010, 2:31:15 AM4/26/10
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Gotta agree with Tyler here. It kind of reminds me of my mom trying to be hip "You can send me an e-message to my Faceweb".

Phil Darnowsky

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Apr 26, 2010, 3:43:00 AM4/26/10
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If you think about it, recruiters are in an unenviable position.  Not only do they have to find people qualified in technologies that they, the recruiters, know little to nothing about, but they have to interact with our weird and insular little subculture.  (If programmers seem like normal people to you, you may be due for a vacation.)

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Michael Breen <har...@gmail.com> wrote:

James A. Rosen

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Apr 26, 2010, 8:00:10 AM4/26/10
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Phil: I think this is a great point. I struggle constantly with trying
to get the right kind of information to our recruiters so they can
make our job of filtering easier. This is a _very_ difficult kind of
communication, especially with the insularity of our community and the
rate at which what we think is "hep" changes.

What worries me is that terms like "rockstar" and "ninja" (to a much
less extent "guru") take us back to 1999. They suggest the right
strategy is to down 19 energy drinks a day, blow money on Aeron
chairs, and cash out early and often.

Not that I'm against getting to success/failure quickly. I really
liked this recent NYTimes article on lightweight fail-fast startups:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/business/25unboxed.html

On Apr 26, 3:43 am, Phil Darnowsky <pdarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you think about it, recruiters are in an unenviable position.  Not only do they have to find people qualified in technologies that they, the recruiters, know little to nothing about, but they have to interact with our weird and insular little subculture.  (If programmers seem like normal people to you, you may be due for a vacation.)
>
> --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Michael Breen <hard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Michael Breen <hard...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Job: ROR Superstar Needed
> To: boston-r...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 2:31 AM
>
> Gotta agree with Tyler here. It kind of reminds me of my mom trying to be hip "You can send me an e-message to my Faceweb".
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Tyler McMullen wrote:
> I really must say... Who cares?  It's simply recruiters trying to seem edgy, trendy, and cool.  It's stupid... But it's harmless.
> Hell, I'd say you could use it as a filter for determining when a job is not worth looking into.
>
> Tyler
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Wyatt Greene <techifer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Personally, I'm tired of the rockstar meme and, unfortunately, it seems to be growing in popularity: www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rockstar&l=boston
>
> I think the term has entered the vocabulary so that entrepreneurs and recruiters innocently use "rockstar" as a synonym with "highly skilled developer".  I don't think they realize that the term is getting very tired and old!  But I guess there may be developers who aren't tired of the term yet.  In the end, it's not a big deal.  However, don't expect to attract the best and brightest Rails developers if you litter your rockstar post with misused punctuation and ALL CAPS!
>
> jobs.rubynow.com/jobs/show/2118
>
> On Apr 25, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Jonathan Dance wrote:
>
> Is anyone else frustrated with how people are looking for Rails
> "ninjas" and "rockstars?" Whatever happened to being a smart, hard-
>
> working, energetic team player who doesn't make it a hobby to kill
> people in the middle of the night or demand bowl-fulls of green M&Ms?
>
> Absolutely agree with this sentiment. There's been a few good articles about this:http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/stop-seeking-out-the-ninjas-...
>
> http://www.thefailingpoint.com/2009/08/buildingateam/believe-that-you...
>
> (and probably a few more out there, as well)
>
> I'm guessing the description Chris posted was probably a turn-off for a lot of people. Probably not the best way to find someone given the current demand for experienced Rails developers.
>
> JD
>
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Chris M Winter Wyman

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Apr 26, 2010, 8:53:37 AM4/26/10
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Wow, I haven't felt this bullied since grade school:) Thanks for the
passionite responses and the advice.
I'll adjust my job postings in the future in a way that hopefully
won't turn anyone off.
This is a real project though, so if any "Experienced ROR Developers"
are interested in 6-12+ month contract in Boston with a flexible pay
rate, I'd be happy to help them out.

On Apr 26, 3:43 am, Phil Darnowsky <pdarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you think about it, recruiters are in an unenviable position.  Not only do they have to find people qualified in technologies that they, the recruiters, know little to nothing about, but they have to interact with our weird and insular little subculture.  (If programmers seem like normal people to you, you may be due for a vacation.)
>
> --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Michael Breen <hard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Michael Breen <hard...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Job: ROR Superstar Needed
> To: boston-r...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 2:31 AM
>
> Gotta agree with Tyler here. It kind of reminds me of my mom trying to be hip "You can send me an e-message to my Faceweb".
> On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Tyler McMullen wrote:
> I really must say... Who cares?  It's simply recruiters trying to seem edgy, trendy, and cool.  It's stupid... But it's harmless.
> Hell, I'd say you could use it as a filter for determining when a job is not worth looking into.
>
> Tyler
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Wyatt Greene <techifer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Personally, I'm tired of the rockstar meme and, unfortunately, it seems to be growing in popularity: www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=rockstar&l=boston
>
> I think the term has entered the vocabulary so that entrepreneurs and recruiters innocently use "rockstar" as a synonym with "highly skilled developer".  I don't think they realize that the term is getting very tired and old!  But I guess there may be developers who aren't tired of the term yet.  In the end, it's not a big deal.  However, don't expect to attract the best and brightest Rails developers if you litter your rockstar post with misused punctuation and ALL CAPS!
>
> jobs.rubynow.com/jobs/show/2118
>
> On Apr 25, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Jonathan Dance wrote:
>
> Is anyone else frustrated with how people are looking for Rails
> "ninjas" and "rockstars?" Whatever happened to being a smart, hard-
>
> working, energetic team player who doesn't make it a hobby to kill
> people in the middle of the night or demand bowl-fulls of green M&Ms?
>
> Absolutely agree with this sentiment. There's been a few good articles about this:http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/stop-seeking-out-the-ninjas-...
>
> http://www.thefailingpoint.com/2009/08/buildingateam/believe-that-you...
>
> (and probably a few more out there, as well)
>
> I'm guessing the description Chris posted was probably a turn-off for a lot of people. Probably not the best way to find someone given the current demand for experienced Rails developers.
>
> JD
>
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Larry Hannay

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Apr 26, 2010, 9:04:33 AM4/26/10
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Oh, great - now you're asking for experience. Jeez, don't you ever give up? ;-)

Chris M Winter Wyman wrote:

Kevin Bedell

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> ...demand bowl-fulls of green M&Ms?

Personally, I happen to like green M&M's.

James A. Rosen

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+1 for somebody who not only reaches out to our community to pay us
actual money, but stays engaged all the way through the ensuing
nerdstorm.

::raises glass::

-James

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Ryan Angilly

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+1 for "nerdstorm"

Chris Maxwell

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+1 for publicly facing childhood bully trauma. I get bullied for using
Windows for choosing yellow M & M's. ;(

Marsh Sutherland

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Apr 26, 2010, 3:48:11 PM4/26/10
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ROFLMAO!
 
If I need someone, I usually just email Dan Croak.  'Nuff said.

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Braulio Carreno

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Apr 26, 2010, 10:03:34 PM4/26/10
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We have to give credit to Chris: this is the most popular job post
we've seen: 23 responses.
Braulio



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> ROFLMAO!
>
> If I need someone, I usually just email Dan Croak.  'Nuff said.
>
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> > From: cmaxw...@ojala.com
> > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:59:02 -0400
> > Subject: Re: Job: ROR Superstar Needed
> > To: boston-r...@googlegroups.com
>
> > +1 for publicly facing childhood bully trauma. I get bullied for using
> > Windows for choosing yellow M & M's. ;(
>
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Ryan Angilly <r...@angilly.com> wrote:
> > > +1 for "nerdstorm"
>
> > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:45 AM, James A. Rosen <james.a.ro...@gmail.com>
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Kyle Daigle

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Apr 26, 2010, 10:04:45 PM4/26/10
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Maybe he planned it this way all along.

Damn genius.

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Dan Pickett

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Apr 27, 2010, 11:26:32 AM4/27/10
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Dmitry,
 
For Facebook Connect implementations I've been using a combination of Facebooker and the JS api. Note, that these are both kind of in flux with the arrival of the open graph api last week. There's been a wide array of changes.

Overall, you'll want to derive the cookie's key in the same way the php call does.

If and when I get some spare cycles I want to work on an open graph wrapper that includes a lot of this authentication stuff. Perhaps that's something hackfest worthy?
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Dan Croak

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Apr 27, 2010, 11:58:13 AM4/27/10
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Using Facebooker, JS API, and some custom internal code called
clearance-facebook.

Michael Bleigh's oauth2 wrapper is coming together:

http://github.com/intridea/oauth2

Might as well patch that up if necessary, Dan. That Sinatra example
right in the readme could be plopped right into Rails as a metal
endpoint. There's also a controller example:

http://wiki.github.com/intridea/oauth2/rails-23-webserver-example
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Chris M Winter Wyman

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Apr 28, 2010, 8:50:41 AM4/28/10
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I'm happy to create some banter. With all the abuse I've taken the
past few days, I figured at least one of you guys would express some
interest in this role? Or at least refer me to someone out of sympathy
alone:) Tough crew!! $500 referral fee if you send me someone that we
place. Need someone 100% on site in Boston for 40 hours/week. My
client is all over me for candidates. Thanks for you help and I look
forward to some more recruiter bashing today:)
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Tom Dyer

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Apr 28, 2010, 9:04:42 AM4/28/10
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Now, this is just perfect, best I've seen in awhile ;

Ruby on Rails Superhero
http://jobs.rubynow.com/jobs/show/4019

Craig Jolicoeur

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Apr 28, 2010, 9:08:50 AM4/28/10
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oh man, lol. yeah good luck searching because this person doesn't
exist, and if he did, he wouldn't be available on the job market.

"We are looking for someone who dreams in code, scratches out
algorithms on napkins while sipping milk or martinis at the bar.
Someone who has a secret identity as a Supercoder--cape, goggles,
utility belt and all... We're looking for someone to help our
world-class team take our platform to the next level, someone who is
ready to use open source frameworks, contribute to open source
frameworks, and release new open source software as all great
Supercoders do, while maintaining your mild-mannered start-up persona
to build a lasting, secure, available service for premium publishers,
subscribers, and content-consumers. Of course, being superheroes, our
genius platform resides mostly in the Cloud."

Maurício Linhares

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Apr 28, 2010, 9:19:23 AM4/28/10
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Ouch, what are you guys looking for? A Java EE style job posting?

===
**Resource** should know the following **frameworks**:
* JVM
* EJB
* JMS
* JBoss
* Tomcat
* Hibernate
* Spring
* UML
===

I find it really nice that people from the companies are out there
trying to hire good candidates and not some "candidate hunter" that
has no idea what all those acronyms mean. I think the idea of this job
posting is being "funny" so the candidate knows how the company looks
like, if he's looking for a dead serious "come to work with suit"
place, that's not the job he's looking for.

I'm sure these guys know that this guy isn't really available in the
market but this is a nice way to filter out "resume machine-guns" that
send their resumes for every single job opening available, 'cos
they'll see the opportunity and think "nah, i won't make it, why
bother trying it?". Another candidate that is really interested will
probably send an email with his resume, a brief description of how he
would match that position and the things he thinks that he doesn't
have yet.

And guess what, look at the required skills, i think anyone that has
worked with rails for more than a year (and launched at least a single
project) MUST HAVE all those required skills, there's nothing
"superhero" or "alien" in there, just the plain old stuff any real
world rails programmer would know by today.

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Dan Croak

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Apr 28, 2010, 9:36:28 AM4/28/10
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Agreed. No one I know sips milk at a bar.

dan croak
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On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Craig Jolicoeur <cpjol...@gmail.com>
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> oh man, lol. yeah good luck searching because this person doesn't
> exist, and if he did, he wouldn't be available on the job market.
>
> "We are looking for someone who dreams in code, scratches out
> algorithms on napkins while sipping milk or martinis at the bar.
> Someone who has a secret identity as a Supercoder--cape, goggles,
> utility belt and all... We're looking for someone to help our
> world-class team take our platform to the next level, someone who is
> ready to use open source frameworks, contribute to open source
> frameworks, and release new open source software as all great
> Supercoders do, while maintaining your mild-mannered start-up persona
> to build a lasting, secure, available service for premium publishers,
> subscribers, and content-consumers. Of course, being superheroes, our
> genius platform resides mostly in the Cloud."
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Tom Dyer <tdy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Now, this is just perfect, best I've seen in awhile ;
>>
>> Ruby on Rails Superhero
>> http://jobs.rubynow.com/jobs/show/4019
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Scott Schulthess

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Just saw an article that feels relevant to this conversation...

http://www.codeanthem.com/blog/2010/04/how-to-hire-crappy-programmers-the-job-post/

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Matt Jankowski

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Every rails rockstar I've seen at a bar POUNDS their milk.

James A. Rosen

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I'm totally ordering a milk after next Tuesday's hackfest :)

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> Every rails rockstar I've seen at a bar POUNDS their milk.
>
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> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Dan Croak <dcr...@thoughtbot.com> wrote:
> > Agreed. No one I know sips milk at a bar.
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> > thoughtbot
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Tom Cocca

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do Milk Stouts count?

Phil Darnowsky

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They do mention that you might drink martinis too. I'm partial to a martini from time to time, as long as your definition of "martini" includes "slug of gin straight from the bottle."

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, James A. Rosen <james....@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: James A. Rosen <james....@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Job: ROR Superstar Needed

Victor Costan

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white russians... yum yum!

Victor

Phil Darnowsky

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> I think the idea
> of this job
> posting is being "funny" so the candidate knows how the
> company looks
> like, if he's looking for a dead serious "come to work with
> suit"

I totally agree. When I'm looking for work, the places whose ads show a little personality and make me chuckle are the first ones I respond to. Recall that Matz has said repeatedly that his goal in creating Ruby was to optimize for programmer happiness: why would you undercut that by going to work in an enterprise (pardon my French) environment? Assuming you're not desperate for a paycheck, which you're likely not if you work in Rails today.

--Phil
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