I know how much we all hate getting spammed by "head hunters" so I'll keep this brief.
I'm looking for the following types of people for an RFP we're bidding on; along with hourly rates.
If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ timgolden.com) contact info and I'll follow up with them individually about the specifics.
Thanks..
Tim
Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
. Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a "blueprint" for building the website or application
. Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create "flat" mockups of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
. Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create "flat" mockups of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for Flash media.
. Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business and technical parties.
. Web Developers - Develops applications specifically for the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual Studio.
. Front-end Web Developer, Coder - Works with User Interface related technologies on the "front end" (non-database) of web development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
. Silverlight Developer - Develop interactive modules and rich media content using Microsoft's Silverlight
. Video Editor - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available for demonstrating portfolio.
. Interactive Media Specialist - Build interactive training modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing software and teaching/training a plus.
. Presentation Graphics Specialist -Develop PowerPoint, Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
. Technical Writer (documentation) - Write a variety of technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
. Testers - Test websites and applications for functional, performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX required.
. Web Analytics Contractor - Helps analyze web stats thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on data to improve and enhance user experience.
. Web Content Specialist - Strong writing background with a demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote: > Hi Guys,
> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll keep > this brief…
> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding on; > along with hourly rates.
> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ > timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually > about the specifics.
> Thanks….
> Tim
> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize content; > create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a > “blueprint” for building the website or application
> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of > websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well > versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand > branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these > objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups > of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. > Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge > preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products > (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser > compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for > Flash media.
> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a website, > multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business owners and key > stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant timelines and > project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust timelines and/or > resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business and technical > parties.
> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for the > Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including XML, > XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual > Studio.
> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface > related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. > Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. > ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and rich > media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final Cut > Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into > existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on > different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to > optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available > for demonstrating portfolio.
> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training > modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a > script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, > with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing > software and teaching/training a plus.
> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, > Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of > technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. > Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, > performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX > required.
> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats thoroughly > to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on data to > improve and enhance user experience.
> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a > demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people > read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
> -----
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> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
> Cmon, man.
> - J
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com > <mailto:t...@timgolden.com>> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by �head hunters� so > I�ll keep this brief�
> I�m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we�re > bidding on; along with hourly rates.
> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their > (tim @ timgolden.com <http://timgolden.com>) contact info and I�ll > follow up with them individually about the specifics.
> Thanksďż˝.
> Tim
> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
> �*Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize content; > create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a > �blueprint� for building the website or application
> �*Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create �flat� mockups of > websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web > parts. Well versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
> �*Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand branding > & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these > objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create > �flat� mockups of websites, logos, applications, interactive > modules and other web parts. Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some > ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge preferred. Understand the > nuances of designing for different end products (flash, video, > HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser compatibility > issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for Flash media.
> ďż˝*Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a website, > multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business > owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish > attendant timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they > arise and adjust timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as > liaison between the business and technical parties.
> ďż˝*Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for the > Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies > including XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar > with VSS and MS Visual Studio.
> �*Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface > related technologies on the �front end� (non-database) of web > development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, > JavaScript and jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 > and/or 3.0).
> �*Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and rich > media content using Microsoft�s Silverlight
> ďż˝*Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final Cut > Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and > credits into existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering > video for consumption on different devices. Conversant in the > mechanics of streaming video and how to optimize video accordingly > based on metrics. Should have a reel available for demonstrating > portfolio.
> ďż˝*Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training > modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the > development of a script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven > record in voiceover work, with a clear and engaging narrative > voice. Experience in audio editing software and teaching/training > a plus.
> ďż˝*Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, Captivate > and other multimedia presentations.
> ďż˝*Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of technical > documents from standards documents to technical development plans. > Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
> ďż˝*Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, > performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp > of UX required.
> ďż˝*Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats thoroughly > to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on data > to improve and enhance user experience.
> ďż˝*Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a > demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how > people read online and can streamline complex documents into web > friendly prose.
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Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange for a second offense?
The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston Ruby Jobs.
People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job to educate them about the guidelines.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> wrote: > Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last > time?
> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
> Hey Tim.
> Know what else we all dislike?
> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
> Cmon, man.
> - J
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll keep >> this brief…
>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding on; >> along with hourly rates.
>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >> about the specifics.
>> Thanks….
>> Tim
>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize content; >> create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >> Flash media.
>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >> and technical parties.
>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for the >> Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including XML, >> XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >> Studio.
>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface >> related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. >> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and rich >> media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final >> Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into >> existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on >> different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to >> optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available >> for demonstrating portfolio.
>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >> software and teaching/training a plus.
>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >> required.
>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats thoroughly >> to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on data to >> improve and enhance user experience.
>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
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While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job at all. That should not be encouraged.
- Brian
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com>wrote:
> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me they're > afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters and > others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can we > establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to > guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange > for a second offense?
> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston Ruby > Jobs.
> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to get > the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job to > educate them about the guidelines.
> Have an awesome weekend, > Dan
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last >> time?
>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>> Hey Tim.
>> Know what else we all dislike?
>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>> Cmon, man.
>> - J
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>> keep this brief…
>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding >>> on; along with hourly rates.
>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>> about the specifics.
>>> Thanks….
>>> Tim
>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>> Flash media.
>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>> and technical parties.
>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for the >>> Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including XML, >>> XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>> Studio.
>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface >>> related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. >>> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >>> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and rich >>> media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final >>> Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into >>> existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on >>> different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to >>> optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available >>> for demonstrating portfolio.
>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >>> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>> required.
>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >>> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
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When you're plainly already familiar with the fact that this is spamming ("I know how much we all hate getting spammed by 'head hunters' so I’ll keep this brief…")
When you are sending to an email with ruby in the name and your post does not even mention the word Ruby as a "good to have."
You've lost my sympathy.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com>wrote:
> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me they're > afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters and > others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can we > establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to > guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange > for a second offense?
> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston Ruby > Jobs.
> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to get > the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job to > educate them about the guidelines.
> Have an awesome weekend, > Dan
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last >> time?
>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>> Hey Tim.
>> Know what else we all dislike?
>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>> Cmon, man.
>> - J
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>> keep this brief…
>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding >>> on; along with hourly rates.
>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>> about the specifics.
>>> Thanks….
>>> Tim
>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>> Flash media.
>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>> and technical parties.
>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for the >>> Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including XML, >>> XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>> Studio.
>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface >>> related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. >>> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >>> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and rich >>> media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final >>> Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into >>> existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on >>> different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to >>> optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available >>> for demonstrating portfolio.
>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >>> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>> required.
>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >>> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
>>> ----- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >>> Group mailing list >>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the > proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off > topic. There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby > related job at all. That should not be encouraged.
> - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett > <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com <mailto:dpick...@enlightsolutions.com>> > wrote:
> Can I propose something here?
> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me > they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to > recruiters and others getting chastised for not adhering to job > posting guidelines. Can we establish the convention of *kindly* > pointing first time posters to guidelines and removing those that > don't adhere from the list in exchange for a second offense?
> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for > Boston Ruby Jobs.
> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job > to get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, > it's our job to educate them about the guidelines.
> Have an awesome weekend, > Dan
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky > <p...@darnowsky.com <mailto:p...@darnowsky.com>> wrote:
> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked > about last time?
> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote: >> Hey Tim.
>> Know what else we all dislike?
>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>> Cmon, man.
>> - J
>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden >> <t...@timgolden.com <mailto:t...@timgolden.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by �head >> hunters� so I�ll keep this brief�
>> I�m looking for the following types of people for an RFP >> we�re bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me >> their (tim @ timgolden.com <http://timgolden.com>) >> contact info and I�ll follow up with them individually >> about the specifics.
>> Thanksďż˝.
>> Tim
>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>> �*Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related >> materials to serve as a �blueprint� for building the >> website or application
>> �*Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create �flat� mockups >> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or >> other web parts. Well versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>> �*Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to >> support these objectives. Provide art direction to junior >> designers. Create �flat� mockups of websites, logos, >> applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and >> JavaScript knowledge preferred. Understand the nuances of >> designing for different end products (flash, video, HTML, >> applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback >> solutions for Flash media.
>> ďż˝*Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet >> with business owners and key stakeholders to identify >> project goals. Establish attendant timelines and project >> plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust timelines >> and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the >> business and technical parties.
>> ďż˝*Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically >> for the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related >> technologies including XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX >> and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual Studio.
>> �*Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User >> Interface related technologies on the �front end� >> (non-database) of web development. Expert in technologies >> such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>> �*Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules >> and rich media content using Microsoft�s Silverlight
>> ďż˝*Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or >> Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, >> overlays, titles and credits into existing clips. >> Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption >> on different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of >> streaming video and how to optimize video accordingly >> based on metrics. Should have a reel available for >> demonstrating portfolio.
>> ďż˝*Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive >> training modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. >> Coordinate the development of a script with SME (subject >> matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, with a >> clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio >> editing software and teaching/training a plus.
>> ďż˝*Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>> ďż˝*Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >> technical documents from standards documents to technical >> development plans. Should be conversant in a wide range >> of web technologies.
>> ďż˝*Testers* - Test websites and applications for >> functional, performance and usability. Attention to >> detail and a strong grasp of UX required.
>> ďż˝*Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make >> recommendations based on data to improve and enhance user >> experience.
>> ďż˝*Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background >> with a demonstrated track record of writing for the web. >> Understands how people read online and can streamline >> complex documents into web friendly prose.
>> -----
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Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, notices, etc...
What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> wrote: > Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we add a > prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
> --Phil
> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the proper > way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. There > isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job at all. > That should not be encouraged.
> - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett < > dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>> Can I propose something here?
>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >> for a second offense?
>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >> Ruby Jobs.
>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to get >> the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job to >> educate them about the guidelines.
>> Have an awesome weekend, >> Dan
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last >>> time?
>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>> Hey Tim.
>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>>> Cmon, man.
>>> - J
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>>> keep this brief…
>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding >>>> on; along with hourly rates.
>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>> about the specifics.
>>>> Thanks….
>>>> Tim
>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>> Flash media.
>>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>> and technical parties.
>>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for the >>>> Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including XML, >>>> XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>> Studio.
>>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface >>>> related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. >>>> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >>>> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and >>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final >>>> Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into >>>> existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on >>>> different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to >>>> optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available >>>> for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >>>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >>>> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>>> required.
>>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >>>> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
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>> -- >> ========================= >> Dan Pickett >> Principal >> Enlight Solutions, Inc >> http://EnlightSolutions.com
>> http://www.twitter.com/dpickett >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >> Group mailing list >> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I > personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if > Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, > notices, etc...
> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
> - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we add a >> prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>> --Phil
>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >> at all. That should not be encouraged.
>> - Brian
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett < >> dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>> Can I propose something here?
>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>> for a second offense?
>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>> Ruby Jobs.
>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>> to educate them about the guidelines.
>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>> Dan
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last >>>> time?
>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>> Hey Tim.
>>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>>>> Cmon, man.
>>>> - J
>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>>>> keep this brief…
>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding >>>>> on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>>>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>> Flash media.
>>>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for >>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>> Studio.
>>>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface >>>>> related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. >>>>> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >>>>> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and >>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final >>>>> Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into >>>>> existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on >>>>> different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to >>>>> optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available >>>>> for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >>>>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>>>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >>>>> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>>>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>>>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>>>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>>>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>>>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>>>> required.
>>>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>>>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>>>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >>>>> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>>>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
>>>>> ----- >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston >>>>> Ruby Group mailing list >>>>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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>>> -- >>> ========================= >>> Dan Pickett >>> Principal >>> Enlight Solutions, Inc >>> http://EnlightSolutions.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/dpickett >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >>> Group mailing list >>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella > <bcardare...@gmail.com <mailto:bcardare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than > if I personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would > be nice if Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post > with guidelines, notices, etc...
> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
> - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky > <p...@darnowsky.com <mailto:p...@darnowsky.com>> wrote:
> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, > could we add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
> --Phil
> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote: >> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings >> in the proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was >> completely off topic. There isn't a single mention of >> anything that resembles a Ruby related job at all. That >> should not be encouraged.
>> - Brian
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com >> <mailto:dpick...@enlightsolutions.com>> wrote:
>> Can I propose something here?
>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs >> have told me they're afraid to post relevant job postings >> to this list due to recruiters and others getting >> chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first >> time posters to guidelines and removing those that don't >> adhere from the list in exchange for a second offense?
>> The other option is to create a separate list >> specifically for Boston Ruby Jobs.
>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's >> their job to get the listings out to through as many >> channels as possible, it's our job to educate them about >> the guidelines.
>> Have an awesome weekend, >> Dan
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky >> <p...@darnowsky.com <mailto:p...@darnowsky.com>> wrote:
>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we >> talked about last time?
>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote: >>> Hey Tim.
>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby >>> mailing list.
>>> Cmon, man.
>>> - J
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden >>> <t...@timgolden.com <mailto:t...@timgolden.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by >>> �head hunters� so I�ll keep this brief�
>>> I�m looking for the following types of people >>> for an RFP we�re bidding on; along with hourly >>> rates.
>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please >>> send me their (tim @ timgolden.com >>> <http://timgolden.com>) contact info and I�ll >>> follow up with them individually about the >>> specifics.
>>> Thanksďż˝.
>>> Tim
>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>> �*Information Architect* - Help organize and >>> prioritize content; create wireframes, >>> storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>> �blueprint� for building the website or application
>>> �*Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create >>> �flat� mockups of websites, logos, applications, >>> interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>> �*Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to >>> understand branding & aesthetic objectives and >>> create designs to support these objectives. >>> Provide art direction to junior designers. >>> Create �flat� mockups of websites, logos, >>> applications, interactive modules and other web >>> parts. Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some >>> ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge preferred. >>> Understand the nuances of designing for >>> different end products (flash, video, HTML, >>> applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and >>> fallback solutions for Flash media.
>>> ďż˝*Project Manager* - Ensure that the various >>> pieces of a website, multimedia or other project >>> stay on track. Meet with business owners and key >>> stakeholders to identify project goals. >>> Establish attendant timelines and project plans. >>> Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as >>> liaison between the business and technical parties.
>>> ďż˝*Web Developers* - Develops applications >>> specifically for the Web. Expert in .NET using >>> C#, as well as related technologies including >>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. >>> Familiar with VSS and MS Visual Studio.
>>> �*Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with >>> User Interface related technologies on the >>> �front end� (non-database) of web development. >>> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, >>> JavaScript and jQuery. ActionScript knowledge >>> preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>> �*Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive >>> modules and rich media content using Microsoft�s >>> Silverlight
>>> ďż˝*Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier >>> and/or Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio >>> clips, overlays, titles and credits into >>> existing clips. Understand the nuances of >>> rendering video for consumption on different >>> devices. Conversant in the mechanics of >>> streaming video and how to optimize video >>> accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel >>> available for demonstrating portfolio.
>>> ďż˝*Interactive Media Specialist* - Build >>> interactive training modules using Adobe Flash >>> and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven >>> record in voiceover work, with a clear and >>> engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio >>> editing software and teaching/training a plus.
>>> ďż˝*Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop >>> PowerPoint, Captivate and other multimedia >>> presentations.
>>> ďż˝*Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a >>> variety of technical documents from standards >>> documents to technical development plans. Should >>> be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>> ďż˝*Testers* - Test websites and applications for >>> functional, performance and usability. Attention >>> to detail and a strong grasp of UX required.
>>> ďż˝*Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web >>> stats thoroughly to understand user behavior and >>> make recommendations based on data to improve >>> and enhance user experience.
>>> ďż˝*Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing >>> background with a demonstrated track record of >>> writing for the web. Understands how people read >>> online and can streamline complex documents into >>> web friendly prose.
>>> -----
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> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I > personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if > Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, > notices, etc...
> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
> - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we add a >> prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>> --Phil
>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >> at all. That should not be encouraged.
>> - Brian
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett < >> dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>> Can I propose something here?
>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>> for a second offense?
>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>> Ruby Jobs.
>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>> to educate them about the guidelines.
>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>> Dan
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last >>>> time?
>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>> Hey Tim.
>>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>>>> Cmon, man.
>>>> - J
>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>>>> keep this brief…
>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding >>>>> on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>>>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>> Flash media.
>>>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for >>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>> Studio.
>>>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User Interface >>>>> related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web development. >>>>> Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and jQuery. >>>>> ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and >>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or Final >>>>> Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and credits into >>>>> existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for consumption on >>>>> different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming video and how to >>>>> optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a reel available >>>>> for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >>>>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>>>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >>>>> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>>>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>>>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>>>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>>>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>>>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>>>> required.
>>>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>>>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>>>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >>>>> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>>>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
>>>>> ----- >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston >>>>> Ruby Group mailing list >>>>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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>>> -- >>> ========================= >>> Dan Pickett >>> Principal >>> Enlight Solutions, Inc >>> http://EnlightSolutions.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/dpickett >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >>> Group mailing list >>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see:
Pros: * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in here * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list
Cons: * less people will be watching it * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> wrote: > +1
> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
> I'm all for it.
> - J
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >> notices, etc...
>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
>> - Brian
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we add >>> a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>> --Phil
>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>> at all. That should not be encouraged.
>>> - Brian
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett < >>> dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>> Can I propose something here?
>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>> for a second offense?
>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>> Ruby Jobs.
>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>> to educate them about the guidelines.
>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>> Dan
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about last >>>>> time?
>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>> Hey Tim.
>>>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>>>>> Cmon, man.
>>>>> - J
>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>>>>> keep this brief…
>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re bidding >>>>>> on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>>>>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User >>>>>> Interface related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web >>>>>> development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and >>>>>> jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and >>>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or >>>>>> Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and >>>>>> credits into existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for >>>>>> consumption on different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming >>>>>> video and how to optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a >>>>>> reel available for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive training >>>>>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>>>>> script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover work, >>>>>> with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>>>>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>>>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>>>>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>>>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>>>>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>>>>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>>>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>>>>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>>>>> required.
>>>>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>>>>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>>>>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>>>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with a >>>>>> demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>>>>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
>>>>>> ----- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston >>>>>> Ruby Group mailing list >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >>>>> Group mailing list >>>>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >>>>> Group mailing list >>>>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
>>>> -- >>>> ========================= >>>> Dan Pickett >>>> Principal >>>> Enlight Solutions, Inc >>>> http://EnlightSolutions.com
>>>> http://www.twitter.com/dpickett >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston Ruby >>>> Group mailing list >>>> To post to this group, send email to boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/boston-rubygroup
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my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what we had before - all the info & history in one single place. With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted emails? That's seems important. I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' approach used previously. As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against for job seekers. I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a key factor here. So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. big picure 'n 'all. Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe this is just my preference.
> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see:
> Pros: > * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in > here > * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list
> Cons: > * less people will be watching it > * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
> - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> +1
>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>> I'm all for it.
>> - J
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>> notices, etc...
>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
>>> - Brian
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we add >>>> a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>> --Phil
>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>> at all. That should not be encouraged.
>>>> - Brian
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett < >>>> dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>> Can I propose something here?
>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>> for a second offense?
>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>>> Ruby Jobs.
>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>> to educate them about the guidelines.
>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>> Dan
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>> last time?
>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Tim.
>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>>>>>> Cmon, man.
>>>>>> - J
>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so I’ll >>>>>>> keep this brief…
>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim @ >>>>>>> timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them >>>>>>> individually about the specifics.
>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. >>>>>>> Well versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User >>>>>>> Interface related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web >>>>>>> development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and >>>>>>> jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and >>>>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or >>>>>>> Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and >>>>>>> credits into existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for >>>>>>> consumption on different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming >>>>>>> video and how to optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a >>>>>>> reel available for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>>>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive >>>>>>> training modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development >>>>>>> of a script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover >>>>>>> work, with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>>>>>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>>>>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>>>>>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>>>>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>>>>>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>>>>>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>>>>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for functional, >>>>>>> performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong grasp of UX >>>>>>> required.
>>>>>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>>>>>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>>>>>> data to improve and enhance user experience.
>>>>>>> · *Web Content Specialist* - Strong writing background with >>>>>>> a demonstrated track record of writing for the web. Understands how people >>>>>>> read online and can streamline complex documents into web friendly prose.
>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Boston >>>>>>> Ruby Group mailing list >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> boston-rubygroup@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> boston-rubygroup-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at
We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. I sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply direct offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki.
I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page.
This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the future.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> wrote: > my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am > thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what > we had before - all the info & history in one single place. > With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted > emails? That's seems important. > I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when > they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' > approach used previously. > As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted in > the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' (or > move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses those > use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now and > then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also > seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see > what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against > for job seekers. > I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a key > factor here. > So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. big > picure 'n 'all. > Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe > this is just my preference.
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see:
>> Pros: >> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in >> here >> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list
>> Cons: >> * less people will be watching it >> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>> - Brian
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>> +1
>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>> I'm all for it.
>>> - J
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com >>> > wrote:
>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>>> notices, etc...
>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list?
>>>> - Brian
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we >>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>> --Phil
>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged.
>>>>> - Brian
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett < >>>>> dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Can I propose something here?
>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>>> for a second offense?
>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for >>>>>> Boston Ruby Jobs.
>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines.
>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>> Dan
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Tim.
>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike?
>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list.
>>>>>>> Cmon, man.
>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so >>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim >>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them >>>>>>>> individually about the specifics.
>>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>> · *Information Architect* - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>>> · *Graphic Designer, Web Designer* - Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. >>>>>>>> Well versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>>> · *Sr. Graphic Designer* - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>>> · *Project Manager* - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>>>> · *Web Developers* - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>>>> · *Front-end Web Developer, Coder* - Works with User >>>>>>>> Interface related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web >>>>>>>> development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and >>>>>>>> jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>>>>> · *Silverlight Developer* - Develop interactive modules and >>>>>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>>>>> · *Video Editor* - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or >>>>>>>> Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and >>>>>>>> credits into existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for >>>>>>>> consumption on different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming >>>>>>>> video and how to optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a >>>>>>>> reel available for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>>>>>> · *Interactive Media Specialist* - Build interactive >>>>>>>> training modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development >>>>>>>> of a script with SME (subject matter expert). Proven record in voiceover >>>>>>>> work, with a clear and engaging narrative voice. Experience in audio editing >>>>>>>> software and teaching/training a plus.
>>>>>>>> · *Presentation Graphics Specialist* -Develop PowerPoint, >>>>>>>> Captivate and other multimedia presentations.
>>>>>>>> · *Technical Writer (documentation)* - Write a variety of >>>>>>>> technical documents from standards documents to technical development plans. >>>>>>>> Should be conversant in a wide range of web technologies.
>>>>>>>> · *Testers* - Test websites and applications for >>>>>>>> functional, performance and usability. Attention to detail and a strong >>>>>>>> grasp of UX required.
>>>>>>>> · *Web Analytics Contractor* - Helps analyze web stats >>>>>>>> thoroughly to understand user behavior and make recommendations based on >>>>>>>> data to improve and enhance user
I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts of job posters?
Dear Job Poster,
I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us <3 you!
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: > We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. I > sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply direct > offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. > I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. > This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the > future. > - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am >> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what >> we had before - all the info & history in one single place. >> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted >> emails? That's seems important. >> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when >> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' >> approach used previously. >> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted >> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' >> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses >> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now >> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also >> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see >> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against >> for job seekers. >> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a >> key factor here. >> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. >> big picure 'n 'all. >> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe >> this is just my preference. >> I also frequently refer folks to >> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to Dan >> Pickett ! >> Michael.
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>> Pros: >>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in >>> here >>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>> Cons: >>> * less people will be watching it >>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>>> - Brian >>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>> I'm all for it. >>>> - J
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>>>> notices, etc... >>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>> - Brian >>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we >>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so >>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim >>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>>>> · Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>>>> · Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>>>>> · Web Developers - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>>>>> · Front-end Web Developer, Coder - Works with User >>>>>>>>> Interface related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web >>>>>>>>> development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and >>>>>>>>> jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>>>>>> · Silverlight Developer - Develop interactive modules and >>>>>>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>>>>>> · Video Editor - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or >>>>>>>>> Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and >>>>>>>>> credits into existing clips. Understand the nuances of rendering video for >>>>>>>>> consumption on different devices. Conversant in the mechanics of streaming >>>>>>>>> video and how to optimize video accordingly based on metrics. Should have a >>>>>>>>> reel available for demonstrating portfolio.
>>>>>>>>> · Interactive Media Specialist - Build interactive training >>>>>>>>> modules using Adobe Flash and Captivate. Coordinate the development of a >>>>>>>>> script with SME (subject matter
Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the loud mouths made really big noise about it. I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play the authority games even more.
> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively > handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post > last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we > as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good > taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts > of job posters?
> Dear Job Poster,
> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, > it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what > skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - > so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and > whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us <3 > you!
> have a great Memorial Day weekend, > Chris
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: >> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. I >> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply direct >> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the >> future. >> - Brian
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am >>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what >>> we had before - all the info & history in one single place. >>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted >>> emails? That's seems important. >>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when >>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' >>> approach used previously. >>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted >>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' >>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses >>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now >>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also >>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see >>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against >>> for job seekers. >>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a >>> key factor here. >>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. >>> big picure 'n 'all. >>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe >>> this is just my preference. >>> I also frequently refer folks to >>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to Dan >>> Pickett ! >>> Michael.
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>> Pros: >>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in >>>> here >>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>> Cons: >>>> * less people will be watching it >>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>>>> - Brian >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> +1
>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>> - J
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>>> - Brian >>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we >>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so >>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim >>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>>>>> · Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>>>>> · Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>>>>>> · Web Developers - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>>>>>> · Front-end Web Developer, Coder - Works with User >>>>>>>>>> Interface related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web >>>>>>>>>> development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and >>>>>>>>>> jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
>>>>>>>>>> · Silverlight Developer - Develop interactive modules and >>>>>>>>>> rich media content using Microsoft’s Silverlight
>>>>>>>>>> · Video Editor - Edit video using Adobe Premier and/or >>>>>>>>>> Final Cut Pro. Be able to integrate audio clips, overlays, titles and >>>>>>>>>> credits into existing
What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is looking for help from other members on a networking level?
For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work and are looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get recommendations from members/friends here at Boston.rb but have never posted since it's a non-ruby job.
- Craig
On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja <ni...@hanoian.com> wrote:
> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the loud mouths made really big noise about it. > I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play the authority games even more.
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
>> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively >> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post >> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we >> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good >> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts >> of job posters?
>> Dear Job Poster,
>> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, >> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what >> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - >> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and >> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us <3 >> you!
>> have a great Memorial Day weekend, >> Chris
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. I >>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply direct >>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the >>> future. >>> - Brian
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am >>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what >>>> we had before - all the info & history in one single place. >>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted >>>> emails? That's seems important. >>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when >>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' >>>> approach used previously. >>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted >>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' >>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses >>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now >>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also >>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see >>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against >>>> for job seekers. >>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a >>>> key factor here. >>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. >>>> big picure 'n 'all. >>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe >>>> this is just my preference. >>>> I also frequently refer folks to >>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to Dan >>>> Pickett ! >>>> Michael.
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>>> Pros: >>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in >>>>> here >>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>>> Cons: >>>>> * less people will be watching it >>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>>>>> - Brian >>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>>> - J
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we >>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim >>>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Web Developers - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>>>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Front-end Web Developer, Coder - Works with User
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Ninja <ni...@hanoian.com> wrote: > Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the > loud mouths made really big noise about it. > I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play > the authority games even more.
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
> > I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively > > handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post > > last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we > > as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good > > taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts > > of job posters?
> > Dear Job Poster,
> > I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, > > it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what > > skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - > > so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and > > whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us <3 > > you!
> > have a great Memorial Day weekend, > > Chris
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. > I > >> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply > direct > >> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. > >> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. > >> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the > >> future. > >> - Brian
> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but > am > >>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to > what > >>> we had before - all the info & history in one single place. > >>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently > posted > >>> emails? That's seems important. > >>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when > >>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one > page' > >>> approach used previously. > >>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been > posted > >>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are > 'available' > >>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses > >>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every > now > >>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. > Also > >>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can > see > >>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing > against > >>> for job seekers. > >>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a > >>> key factor here. > >>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. > >>> big picure 'n 'all. > >>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe > >>> this is just my preference. > >>> I also frequently refer folks to > >>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to > Dan > >>> Pickett ! > >>> Michael.
> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella < > bcardare...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote:
> >>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: > >>>> Pros: > >>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise > in > >>>> here > >>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list > >>>> Cons: > >>>> * less people will be watching it > >>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
> >>>> - Brian > >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> > >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
> >>>>> I'm all for it. > >>>>> - J
> >>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella > >>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if > I > >>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice > if > >>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with > guidelines, > >>>>>> notices, etc... > >>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? > >>>>>> - Brian > >>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we > >>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
> >>>>>>> --Phil
> >>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
> >>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in > the > >>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off > topic. > >>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby > related job > >>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. > >>>>>>> - Brian
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett > >>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? > >>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me > >>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to > recruiters > >>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting > guidelines. Can > >>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time > posters to > >>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in > exchange > >>>>>>>> for a second offense? > >>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for > Boston > >>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. > >>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job > to > >>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's > our job > >>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. > >>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, > >>>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky < > p...@darnowsky.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about > >>>>>>>>> last time?
> >>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. > >>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? > >>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. > >>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. > >>>>>>>>> - J
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
> >>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so > >>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
> >>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re > >>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
> >>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their > (tim > >>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them > individually > >>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
> >>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
> >>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize > >>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to > serve as a > >>>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
> >>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” mockups > of > >>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web > parts. Well > >>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
> >>>>>>>>>> · Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand > >>>>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support > these > >>>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create > “flat” mockups > >>>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other > web parts. > >>>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript > knowledge > >>>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end > products > >>>>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in > browser > >>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback > solutions for > >>>>>>>>>> Flash media.
> >>>>>>>>>> · Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a > >>>>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with > business > >>>>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish > attendant > >>>>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and > adjust > >>>>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the > business > >>>>>>>>>> and technical parties.
> >>>>>>>>>> · Web Developers - Develops applications specifically > for > >>>>>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related > technologies including > >>>>>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS > and MS Visual > >>>>>>>>>> Studio.
> >>>>>>>>>> · Front-end Web Developer, Coder - Works with User > >>>>>>>>>> Interface
> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the loud mouths made really big noise about it. > I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play the authority games even more.
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
>> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively >> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post >> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we >> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good >> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts >> of job posters?
>> Dear Job Poster,
>> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, >> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what >> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - >> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and >> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us <3 >> you!
>> have a great Memorial Day weekend, >> Chris
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. I >>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply direct >>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the >>> future. >>> - Brian
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am >>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what >>>> we had before - all the info & history in one single place. >>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted >>>> emails? That's seems important. >>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when >>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' >>>> approach used previously. >>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted >>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' >>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses >>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now >>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also >>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see >>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against >>>> for job seekers. >>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a >>>> key factor here. >>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. >>>> big picure 'n 'all. >>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe >>>> this is just my preference. >>>> I also frequently refer folks to >>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to Dan >>>> Pickett ! >>>> Michael.
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella <bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>>> Pros: >>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in >>>>> here >>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>>> Cons: >>>>> * less people will be watching it >>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>>>>> - Brian >>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>>> - J
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we >>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” so >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim >>>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them individually >>>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” mockups of >>>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create “flat” mockups >>>>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>>>>>> and technical parties.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Web Developers - Develops applications specifically for >>>>>>>>>>> the Web. Expert in .NET using C#, as well as related technologies including >>>>>>>>>>> XML, XHTML, SQL, JavaScript, AJAX and DoJo. Familiar with VSS and MS Visual >>>>>>>>>>> Studio.
>>>>>>>>>>> · Front-end Web Developer, Coder - Works with User >>>>>>>>>>> Interface related technologies on the “front end” (non-database) of web >>>>>>>>>>> development. Expert in technologies such as XML, XHTML, CSS, JavaScript and >>>>>>>>>>> jQuery. ActionScript knowledge preferred (2.0 and/or 3.0).
Good point. It seems to me that (a) that would be a legitimate use of the list, and (b) the best way to do that would be to tag the subject line with something like "[NONRUBY-JOB]". What do you guys think?
> What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is looking for help from other members on a networking level?
> For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work and are looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get recommendations from members/friends here at Boston.rb but have never posted since it's a non-ruby job.
> - Craig
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja<ni...@hanoian.com> wrote:
>> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the loud mouths made really big noise about it. >> I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play the authority games even more.
>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
>>> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively >>> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post >>> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we >>> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good >>> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts >>> of job posters?
>>> Dear Job Poster,
>>> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, >>> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what >>> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - >>> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and >>> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us<3 >>> you!
>>> have a great Memorial Day weekend, >>> Chris
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella<bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. I >>>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply direct >>>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >>>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >>>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in the >>>> future. >>>> - Brian
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant<snap2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach but am >>>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar to what >>>>> we had before - all the info& history in one single place. >>>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently posted >>>>> emails? That's seems important. >>>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings when >>>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one page' >>>>> approach used previously. >>>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been posted >>>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are 'available' >>>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really addresses >>>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every now >>>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. Also >>>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can see >>>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing against >>>>> for job seekers. >>>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is a >>>>> key factor here. >>>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the job. >>>>> big picure 'n 'all. >>>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. Maybe >>>>> this is just my preference. >>>>> I also frequently refer folks to >>>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to Dan >>>>> Pickett ! >>>>> Michael.
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella<bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>>>> Pros: >>>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise in >>>>>> here >>>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>>>> Cons: >>>>>> * less people will be watching it >>>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than if I >>>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be nice if >>>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with guidelines, >>>>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could we >>>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in the >>>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely off topic. >>>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby related job >>>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told me >>>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to recruiters >>>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting guidelines. Can >>>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time posters to >>>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in exchange >>>>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for Boston >>>>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job to >>>>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, it's our job >>>>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked about >>>>>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden<t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by head hunters so >>>>>>>>>>>> I ll keep this brief
>>>>>>>>>>>> I m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we re >>>>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their (tim >>>>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I ll follow up with them individually >>>>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks .
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials to serve as a >>>>>>>>>>>> blueprint for building the website or application
>>>>>>>>>>>> Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create flat mockups of >>>>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web parts. Well >>>>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to understand >>>>>>>>>>>> branding& aesthetic objectives and create designs to support these >>>>>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create flat mockups >>>>>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other web parts. >>>>>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand the nuances of designing for different end products >>>>>>>>>>>> (flash, video, HTML, applications, etc.). Be well versed in browser >>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues, Section 508 compliance and fallback solutions for >>>>>>>>>>>> Flash media.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Project Manager - Ensure that the various pieces of a >>>>>>>>>>>> website, multimedia or other project stay on track. Meet with business >>>>>>>>>>>> owners and key stakeholders to identify project goals. Establish attendant >>>>>>>>>>>> timelines and project plans. Identify issues as they arise and adjust >>>>>>>>>>>> timelines and/or resources as needed. Act as liaison between the business >>>>>>>>>>>> and technical parties.
I don't see why anything like this would be out of bounds. Sure, it's slightly off-topic but the overlap with this community is (probably) rather large. Nothing wrong with a short and sweet and polite email along the lines of:
"Hi everyone, Sorry to be a little off-topic but my company is looking for some iOS consultants. If anyone is interested or wants to get in touch drop me a line at ...." etc etc. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and I don't think anyone else would either.
It's not like that's a drive-by copy-and-paste-a-resume job then disappear into the ether type thing.
- J
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Craig P Jolicoeur <cpjolico...@gmail.com>wrote:
> What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is looking for > help from other members on a networking level?
> For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work and are > looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get recommendations from > members/friends here at Boston.rb but have never posted since it's a > non-ruby job.
> - Craig
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja <ni...@hanoian.com> wrote:
> > Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the > loud mouths made really big noise about it. > > I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play > the authority games even more.
> > On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
> >> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively > >> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post > >> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we > >> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good > >> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts > >> of job posters?
> >> Dear Job Poster,
> >> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, > >> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what > >> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - > >> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and > >> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us <3 > >> you!
> >> have a great Memorial Day weekend, > >> Chris
> >> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella < > bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. > I > >>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply > direct > >>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. > >>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. > >>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in > the > >>> future. > >>> - Brian
> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant <snap2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach > but am > >>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar > to what > >>>> we had before - all the info & history in one single place. > >>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently > posted > >>>> emails? That's seems important. > >>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings > when > >>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one > page' > >>>> approach used previously. > >>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been > posted > >>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are > 'available' > >>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really > addresses > >>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every > now > >>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. > Also > >>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can > see > >>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing > against > >>>> for job seekers. > >>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is > a > >>>> key factor here. > >>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the > job. > >>>> big picure 'n 'all. > >>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. > Maybe > >>>> this is just my preference. > >>>> I also frequently refer folks to > >>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to > Dan > >>>> Pickett ! > >>>> Michael.
> >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella < > bcardare...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: > >>>>> Pros: > >>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise > in > >>>>> here > >>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list > >>>>> Cons: > >>>>> * less people will be watching it > >>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
> >>>>> - Brian > >>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> > >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
> >>>>>> I'm all for it. > >>>>>> - J
> >>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella > >>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than > if I > >>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be > nice if > >>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with > guidelines, > >>>>>>> notices, etc... > >>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? > >>>>>>> - Brian > >>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky < > p...@darnowsky.com> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could > we > >>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
> >>>>>>>> --Phil
> >>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
> >>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in > the > >>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely > off topic. > >>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby > related job > >>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. > >>>>>>>> - Brian
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett > >>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? > >>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told > me > >>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to > recruiters > >>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting > guidelines. Can > >>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time > posters to > >>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in > exchange > >>>>>>>>> for a second offense? > >>>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for > Boston > >>>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. > >>>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job > to > >>>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, > it's our job > >>>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. > >>>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, > >>>>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky < > p...@darnowsky.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked > about > >>>>>>>>>> last time?
> >>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. > >>>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? > >>>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. > >>>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. > >>>>>>>>>> - J
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden <t...@timgolden.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” > so > >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re > >>>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their > (tim > >>>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them > individually > >>>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
> >>>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize > >>>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials > to serve as a > >>>>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
> >>>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” > mockups of > >>>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web > parts. Well > >>>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS, XML, and XHTML.
> >>>>>>>>>>> · Sr. Graphic Designer - Meet with clients to > understand > >>>>>>>>>>> branding & aesthetic objectives and create designs to support > these > >>>>>>>>>>> objectives. Provide art direction to junior designers. Create > “flat” mockups > >>>>>>>>>>> of websites, logos, applications, interactive modules and other > web parts. > >>>>>>>>>>> Fluent in XML, CSS, and XHTML. Some ActionScript and JavaScript > knowledge > >>>>>>>>>>> preferred. Understand
Good idea, Phil, but I would suggest [JOB] [OT] or [JOB][-RUBY] or something. You want to keep the "[JOB]" string as an exact match to not break existing filters.
I could see a [-RUBY] or [OT] flag having general utility beyond job posts.
The downside (same downside as having another list) is that anyone who is rude enough to ignore the guidelines in general will also "accidentally" forget the OT flag as well. Basically, if you outlaw spamming, only outlaws will eat spam.....or something....
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> wrote: > Good point. It seems to me that (a) that would be a legitimate use of the > list, and (b) the best way to do that would be to tag the subject line with > something like "[NONRUBY-JOB]". What do you guys think?
> --Phil
> On 05/27/2011 05:53 PM, Craig P Jolicoeur wrote:
>> What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is looking for >> help from other members on a networking level?
>> For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work and are >> looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get recommendations from >> members/friends here at Boston.rb but have never posted since it's a >> non-ruby job.
>> - Craig
>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja<ni...@hanoian.com> wrote:
>> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the >>> loud mouths made really big noise about it. >>> I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to play >>> the authority games even more.
>>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
>>> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively >>>> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post >>>> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we >>>> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good >>>> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts >>>> of job posters?
>>>> Dear Job Poster,
>>>> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, >>>> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what >>>> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - >>>> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and >>>> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us<3 >>>> you!
>>>> have a great Memorial Day weekend, >>>> Chris
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella<bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good one. >>>>> I >>>>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply >>>>> direct >>>>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >>>>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >>>>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in >>>>> the >>>>> future. >>>>> - Brian
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant<snap2...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach >>>>>> but am >>>>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar >>>>>> to what >>>>>> we had before - all the info& history in one single place. >>>>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently >>>>>> posted >>>>>> emails? That's seems important. >>>>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings >>>>>> when >>>>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one >>>>>> page' >>>>>> approach used previously. >>>>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been >>>>>> posted >>>>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are >>>>>> 'available' >>>>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really >>>>>> addresses >>>>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list every >>>>>> now >>>>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing list. >>>>>> Also >>>>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they can >>>>>> see >>>>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing >>>>>> against >>>>>> for job seekers. >>>>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is >>>>>> a >>>>>> key factor here. >>>>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the >>>>>> job. >>>>>> big picure 'n 'all. >>>>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. >>>>>> Maybe >>>>>> this is just my preference. >>>>>> I also frequently refer folks to >>>>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> Pickett ! >>>>>> Michael.
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella< >>>>>> bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>>>>> Pros: >>>>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce noise >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> here >>>>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>>>>> Cons: >>>>>>> * less people will be watching it >>>>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing list
>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than >>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be >>>>>>>>> nice if >>>>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with >>>>>>>>> guidelines, >>>>>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely >>>>>>>>>> off topic. >>>>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby >>>>>>>>>> related job >>>>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told >>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to >>>>>>>>>>> recruiters >>>>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting >>>>>>>>>>> guidelines. Can >>>>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time >>>>>>>>>>> posters to >>>>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in >>>>>>>>>>> exchange >>>>>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for >>>>>>>>>>> Boston >>>>>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their job >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, >>>>>>>>>>> it's our job >>>>>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky< >>>>>>>>>>> p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked >>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden<t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” >>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these roles please send me their >>>>>>>>>>>>> (tim >>>>>>>>>>>>> @ timgolden.com) contact info and I’ll follow up with them >>>>>>>>>>>>> individually >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the specifics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks….
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roles looking to fill (per contract); hourly rates:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> · Information Architect - Help organize and prioritize >>>>>>>>>>>>> content; create wireframes, storyboards and related materials >>>>>>>>>>>>> to serve as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> “blueprint” for building the website or application
>>>>>>>>>>>>> · Graphic Designer, Web Designer - Create “flat” >>>>>>>>>>>>> mockups of >>>>>>>>>>>>> websites, logos, applications, interactive modules or other web >>>>>>>>>>>>> parts. Well >>>>>>>>>>>>> versed in CSS,
Good point about the filters. And as for those who won't bother to use the appropriate tags, well, we still have the option of one or more polite warnings followed by a ban.
> Good idea, Phil, but I would suggest [JOB] [OT] or [JOB][-RUBY] or > something. You want to keep the "[JOB]" string as an exact match to > not break existing filters.
> I could see a [-RUBY] or [OT] flag having general utility beyond job > posts.
> The downside (same downside as having another list) is that anyone who > is rude enough to ignore the guidelines in general will also > "accidentally" forget the OT flag as well. Basically, if you outlaw > spamming, only outlaws will eat spam.....or something....
> -Travis
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com > <mailto:p...@darnowsky.com>> wrote:
> Good point. It seems to me that (a) that would be a legitimate use > of the list, and (b) the best way to do that would be to tag the > subject line with something like "[NONRUBY-JOB]". What do you guys > think?
> --Phil
> On 05/27/2011 05:53 PM, Craig P Jolicoeur wrote:
> What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is > looking for help from other members on a networking level?
> For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work > and are looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get > recommendations from members/friends here at Boston.rb but > have never posted since it's a non-ruby job.
> - Craig
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja<ni...@hanoian.com > <mailto:ni...@hanoian.com>> wrote:
> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, > until some of the loud mouths made really big noise about it. > I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children > who want to play the authority games even more.
> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
> I think nothing should change. I really like the way > we collectively > handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous > Florida job post > last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that > one. I think we > as a group are pretty good about occasionally > shellacking, in good > taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear > into the hearts > of job posters?
> Dear Job Poster,
> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep > them coming, > it's good to see what's out there, what people are > doing, and what > skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday > - seriously - > so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in > good fun, and > whoever said those awful mean things, well forget > them. 99.9% of us<3 > you!
> have a great Memorial Day weekend, > Chris
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian > Cardarella<bcardare...@gmail.com > <mailto:bcardare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, > it wasn't a good one. I > sent another message to the mailing list asking > that people simply direct > offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. > I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. > This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes > things smoother in the > future. > - Brian
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael > Durrant<snap2...@gmail.com > <mailto:snap2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly > agnostic to either approach but am > thinking that another option might be a page > listing process similar to what > we had before - all the info& history in one > single place. > With the mailing list approach, can the join > process show recently posted > emails? That's seems important. > I also found it tedious to scan though and > compare recent postings when > they are in a large number of separate emails > rather than the 'one page' > approach used previously. > As users ('seekers') will often want to see a > list of what's been posted > in the last, say, 3 months at the time that > they deem they are 'available' > (or move to the area say) not sure if the > mailing list really addresses > those use cases. Plus some users will just > want to scan the list every now > and then without actually being on an active > 'available' mailing list. Also > seeing this history will also be of value to > new 'posters' as they can see > what sort of jobs are already out there that > they will be competing against > for job seekers. > I guess whether you can get to see past > history for a mailing list is a > key factor here. > So I wondered if a mailing list is actually > the right tool for the job. > big picure 'n 'all. > Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on > the right tool here. Maybe > this is just my preference. > I also frequently refer folks to > http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ > thanks again to Dan > Pickett ! > Michael.
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian > Cardarella<bcardare...@gmail.com > <mailto:bcardare...@gmail.com>> > wrote:
> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs > mailing list that I see: > Pros: > * isolates the job listings in one place, > will hopefully reduce noise in > here > * job posters can feel free to post > anything they want on that list > Cons: > * less people will be watching it > * we still have to educated job posters to > use the other mailing list
> - Brian > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil > Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com > <mailto:p...@darnowsky.com>> > wrote:
> +1
> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira > wrote:
> I'm all for it. > - J
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian > Cardarella > <bcardare...@gmail.com > <mailto:bcardare...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Unfortunately there isn't an > automated welcome message other > than if I > personally engage any new comers. > Which is do-able. It would be nice if > Google Groups allowed us to have a > "sticky" top post with guidelines, > notices, etc... > What would people feel about a > boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? > - Brian > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, > Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com > <mailto:p...@darnowsky.com>> > wrote:
> Is there an automated welcome > message to the group? If so, > could we > add a prominent pointer to the > job posting guidelines?
> --Phil
> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian > Cardarella wrote:
I definitely think the most offensive thing to me is that these posts are drive-by. I can believe that there is significant community overlap, and I am for taking advantage of that, but a copy-pasted-off-topic-post without even a [JOB] in the subject line is very frustrating. Especially since it is extremely unlikely that Tim Golden has seen any of our reaction to his post, and will probably never be back, anyway.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com> wrote: > Good point about the filters. And as for those who won't bother to use the > appropriate tags, well, we still have the option of one or more polite > warnings followed by a ban.
> On 05/27/2011 06:07 PM, Travis Briggs wrote:
> Good idea, Phil, but I would suggest [JOB] [OT] or [JOB][-RUBY] or > something. You want to keep the "[JOB]" string as an exact match to not > break existing filters.
> I could see a [-RUBY] or [OT] flag having general utility beyond job posts.
> The downside (same downside as having another list) is that anyone who is > rude enough to ignore the guidelines in general will also "accidentally" > forget the OT flag as well. Basically, if you outlaw spamming, only outlaws > will eat spam.....or something....
> -Travis
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> Good point. It seems to me that (a) that would be a legitimate use of the >> list, and (b) the best way to do that would be to tag the subject line with >> something like "[NONRUBY-JOB]". What do you guys think?
>> --Phil
>> On 05/27/2011 05:53 PM, Craig P Jolicoeur wrote:
>>> What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is looking for >>> help from other members on a networking level?
>>> For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work and are >>> looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get recommendations from >>> members/friends here at Boston.rb but have never posted since it's a >>> non-ruby job.
>>> - Craig
>>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja<ni...@hanoian.com> wrote:
>>> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the >>>> loud mouths made really big noise about it. >>>> I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to >>>> play the authority games even more.
>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
>>>> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively >>>>> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post >>>>> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we >>>>> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good >>>>> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts >>>>> of job posters?
>>>>> Dear Job Poster,
>>>>> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, >>>>> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what >>>>> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - >>>>> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and >>>>> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us<3 >>>>> you!
>>>>> have a great Memorial Day weekend, >>>>> Chris
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella< >>>>> bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good >>>>>> one. I >>>>>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply >>>>>> direct >>>>>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >>>>>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >>>>>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in >>>>>> the >>>>>> future. >>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant<snap2...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach >>>>>>> but am >>>>>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar >>>>>>> to what >>>>>>> we had before - all the info& history in one single place. >>>>>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently >>>>>>> posted >>>>>>> emails? That's seems important. >>>>>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one >>>>>>> page' >>>>>>> approach used previously. >>>>>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been >>>>>>> posted >>>>>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are >>>>>>> 'available' >>>>>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really >>>>>>> addresses >>>>>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list >>>>>>> every now >>>>>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing >>>>>>> list. Also >>>>>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they >>>>>>> can see >>>>>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing >>>>>>> against >>>>>>> for job seekers. >>>>>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list is >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> key factor here. >>>>>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the >>>>>>> job. >>>>>>> big picure 'n 'all. >>>>>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. >>>>>>> Maybe >>>>>>> this is just my preference. >>>>>>> I also frequently refer folks to >>>>>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again to >>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>> Pickett ! >>>>>>> Michael.
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella< >>>>>>> bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>>>>>> Pros: >>>>>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce >>>>>>>> noise in >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>>>>>> Cons: >>>>>>>> * less people will be watching it >>>>>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing >>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than >>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be >>>>>>>>>> nice if >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with >>>>>>>>>> guidelines, >>>>>>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing list? >>>>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky< >>>>>>>>>> p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely >>>>>>>>>>> off topic. >>>>>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby >>>>>>>>>>> related job >>>>>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told >>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due to >>>>>>>>>>>> recruiters >>>>>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting >>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines. Can >>>>>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time >>>>>>>>>>>> posters to >>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list in >>>>>>>>>>>> exchange >>>>>>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>>>>>> The other option is to create a separate list specifically for >>>>>>>>>>>> Boston >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruby Jobs. >>>>>>>>>>>> People are just trying to do their jobs. Just like it's their >>>>>>>>>>>> job to >>>>>>>>>>>> get the listings out to through as many channels as possible, >>>>>>>>>>>> it's our job >>>>>>>>>>>> to educate them about the guidelines. >>>>>>>>>>>> Have an awesome weekend, >>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Phil Darnowsky< >>>>>>>>>>>> p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did anyone ever make up that "Wall Of Shame" page we talked >>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>> last time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/25/2011 06:24 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tim. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Know what else we all dislike? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting job reqs for .NET and C# ... on a Ruby mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cmon, man. >>>>>>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Tim Golden<t...@timgolden.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know how much we all hate getting spammed by “head hunters” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll keep this brief…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the following types of people for an RFP we’re >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bidding on; along with hourly rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you or anyone you know fit these
The horse is beaten soundly, but in spite of that, what I would say is it would be a shame if legitimate members of this list and community feel like they can't post an iOS or whatever job at all, or without first figuring out the filtering scheme for fear of offending someone's mailbox, or receiving (even a mild) shellacking (which I do not know how to spell, thank you gmail).
I suggest KISS - stay with [JOB]: it works for those who will pay attention enough to use it or filter it. Others, well, that stuff is going to happen, but we'll all live, and market forces will eventually deal with it.
Personally, I'm fine with anyone who wants to come on this list and post a even a remotely legit Ruby-ish job in the Boston-ish area (and I would easily count other tech adjacent to Ruby in that, like all things mobile, node.js, html5/css3/js/jQuery, etc.). Do any of you folks on this list seriously only ever do Ruby, or only want to? Hells no.
And woe be onto you who do not remember the days of the dot com bust, when you might pray for such posts as we are trying to filter, conform, and make fun of... Stay humble; chances are we'll see such a thing again.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Chris Rhoden <carho...@gmail.com> wrote: > I definitely think the most offensive thing to me is that these posts are > drive-by. I can believe that there is significant community overlap, and I > am for taking advantage of that, but a copy-pasted-off-topic-post without > even a [JOB] in the subject line is very frustrating. Especially since it is > extremely unlikely that Tim Golden has seen any of our reaction to his post, > and will probably never be back, anyway.
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>> Good point about the filters. And as for those who won't bother to use >> the appropriate tags, well, we still have the option of one or more polite >> warnings followed by a ban.
>> On 05/27/2011 06:07 PM, Travis Briggs wrote:
>> Good idea, Phil, but I would suggest [JOB] [OT] or [JOB][-RUBY] or >> something. You want to keep the "[JOB]" string as an exact match to not >> break existing filters.
>> I could see a [-RUBY] or [OT] flag having general utility beyond job >> posts.
>> The downside (same downside as having another list) is that anyone who is >> rude enough to ignore the guidelines in general will also "accidentally" >> forget the OT flag as well. Basically, if you outlaw spamming, only outlaws >> will eat spam.....or something....
>> -Travis
>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Phil Darnowsky <p...@darnowsky.com>wrote:
>>> Good point. It seems to me that (a) that would be a legitimate use of the >>> list, and (b) the best way to do that would be to tag the subject line with >>> something like "[NONRUBY-JOB]". What do you guys think?
>>> --Phil
>>> On 05/27/2011 05:53 PM, Craig P Jolicoeur wrote:
>>>> What about job postings for non-ruby work where a member is looking for >>>> help from other members on a networking level?
>>>> For instance, my company currently needs helps with iOS work and are >>>> looking for a few consultants and I'd love to get recommendations from >>>> members/friends here at Boston.rb but have never posted since it's a >>>> non-ruby job.
>>>> - Craig
>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Ninja<ni...@hanoian.com> wrote:
>>>> Big deal. Nobody really cares about this job posting, until some of the >>>>> loud mouths made really big noise about it. >>>>> I hate C#, .Net but I hate all the Nazi and the children who want to >>>>> play the authority games even more.
>>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Chris Maxwell wrote:
>>>>> I think nothing should change. I really like the way we collectively >>>>>> handle things right now. Remember that ridiculous Florida job post >>>>>> last year? I still laugh at the email chain from that one. I think we >>>>>> as a group are pretty good about occasionally shellacking, in good >>>>>> taste, unless I missed something that is driving fear into the hearts >>>>>> of job posters?
>>>>>> Dear Job Poster,
>>>>>> I really like your legitimate/relevant job posts. Keep them coming, >>>>>> it's good to see what's out there, what people are doing, and what >>>>>> skills you are looking for, and I may need you someday - seriously - >>>>>> so no matter what is said after your post, it's all in good fun, and >>>>>> whoever said those awful mean things, well forget them. 99.9% of us<3 >>>>>> you!
>>>>>> have a great Memorial Day weekend, >>>>>> Chris
>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brian Cardarella< >>>>>> bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> We're not going with the other mailing list idea, it wasn't a good >>>>>>> one. I >>>>>>> sent another message to the mailing list asking that people simply >>>>>>> direct >>>>>>> offending posters to the guidelines on the wiki. >>>>>>> I've also just added Dan's post to the wiki page. >>>>>>> This doesn't solve the problem but maybe it makes things smoother in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> future. >>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Michael Durrant<snap2...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> my 2 cents (1 penny) is that I'm fairly agnostic to either approach >>>>>>>> but am >>>>>>>> thinking that another option might be a page listing process similar >>>>>>>> to what >>>>>>>> we had before - all the info& history in one single place. >>>>>>>> With the mailing list approach, can the join process show recently >>>>>>>> posted >>>>>>>> emails? That's seems important. >>>>>>>> I also found it tedious to scan though and compare recent postings >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> they are in a large number of separate emails rather than the 'one >>>>>>>> page' >>>>>>>> approach used previously. >>>>>>>> As users ('seekers') will often want to see a list of what's been >>>>>>>> posted >>>>>>>> in the last, say, 3 months at the time that they deem they are >>>>>>>> 'available' >>>>>>>> (or move to the area say) not sure if the mailing list really >>>>>>>> addresses >>>>>>>> those use cases. Plus some users will just want to scan the list >>>>>>>> every now >>>>>>>> and then without actually being on an active 'available' mailing >>>>>>>> list. Also >>>>>>>> seeing this history will also be of value to new 'posters' as they >>>>>>>> can see >>>>>>>> what sort of jobs are already out there that they will be competing >>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>> for job seekers. >>>>>>>> I guess whether you can get to see past history for a mailing list >>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>> key factor here. >>>>>>>> So I wondered if a mailing list is actually the right tool for the >>>>>>>> job. >>>>>>>> big picure 'n 'all. >>>>>>>> Curious to know what peoples thoughts are on the right tool here. >>>>>>>> Maybe >>>>>>>> this is just my preference. >>>>>>>> I also frequently refer folks to >>>>>>>> http://www.enlightsolutions.com/articles/tag/hiring/ thanks again >>>>>>>> to Dan >>>>>>>> Pickett ! >>>>>>>> Michael.
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brian Cardarella< >>>>>>>> bcardare...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So here are the pros/cons of a jobs mailing list that I see: >>>>>>>>> Pros: >>>>>>>>> * isolates the job listings in one place, will hopefully reduce >>>>>>>>> noise in >>>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>>> * job posters can feel free to post anything they want on that list >>>>>>>>> Cons: >>>>>>>>> * less people will be watching it >>>>>>>>> * we still have to educated job posters to use the other mailing >>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Phil Darnowsky<p...@darnowsky.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:27 PM, Joel Oliveira wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for it. >>>>>>>>>> - J
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Brian Cardarella >>>>>>>>>> <bcardare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately there isn't an automated welcome message other than >>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>> personally engage any new comers. Which is do-able. It would be >>>>>>>>>>> nice if >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups allowed us to have a "sticky" top post with >>>>>>>>>>> guidelines, >>>>>>>>>>> notices, etc... >>>>>>>>>>> What would people feel about a boston-rubygroup-jobs mailing >>>>>>>>>>> list? >>>>>>>>>>> - Brian >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Phil Darnowsky< >>>>>>>>>>> p...@darnowsky.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there an automated welcome message to the group? If so, could >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> add a prominent pointer to the job posting guidelines?
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Phil
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/27/2011 03:15 PM, Brian Cardarella wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree we should encourage people to post job postings in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> proper way ([JOB] in the subject line) this post was completely >>>>>>>>>>>> off topic. >>>>>>>>>>>> There isn't a single mention of anything that resembles a Ruby >>>>>>>>>>>> related job >>>>>>>>>>>> at all. That should not be encouraged. >>>>>>>>>>>> - Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Dan Pickett >>>>>>>>>>>> <dpick...@enlightsolutions.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I propose something here? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Numerous newcomers to the community and entrepreneurs have told >>>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>>> they're afraid to post relevant job postings to this list due >>>>>>>>>>>>> to recruiters >>>>>>>>>>>>> and others getting chastised for not adhering to job posting >>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines. Can >>>>>>>>>>>>> we establish the convention of *kindly* pointing first time >>>>>>>>>>>>> posters to >>>>>>>>>>>>> guidelines and removing those that don't adhere from the list >>>>>>>>>>>>> in exchange >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a second offense? >>>>>>>>>>>>> The other option is to