Codegear sold
David Wilcockson
AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 7, 2008--Borland Software Corporation
(NASDAQ:BORL), the global leader in Open Application Lifecycle Management
(ALM), today announced preliminary financial results for the first quarter
ended March 31, 2008. Borland also announced today a definitive agreement to
sell the assets of its individual developer tools unit, CodeGear, to
Embarcadero Technologies. The purchase price for CodeGear is expected to be
approximately $23 million. Borland will also retain CodeGear's accounts
receivables with an approximate value of an additional $7 million. The
transaction is expected to close by June 30, 2008.
David Wilcockson
http://www.embarcadero.com/
http://www.embarcadero.com/news/press_releases/ThomaCressyEquityAcquisition.html
Dean Hill
Damn, if we had known that was the price, we could have bandied together
all of the customers to buy it out. Thats not a lot of money.
Don't think I like this. The good thing is that there is no SOX. On the
down side, this looks like an enterprise sales shop. There is not even
pricing on their web page. "Contact us for pricing" type of thing.
It almost feels like a mullet eating a shark.
---
Dean
--- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com
Dean Hill
Scratch that, seems like SOX is still an issue :(
Hrvoje Brozovic
years ago.
It is heavy, 165Mb.
"David Wilcockson" <dnwatlibriosdotcom> wrote in message
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Hrvoje Brozovic
And, one of buyers products is packaged as Eclipse plugin.
My download is above 90%.
David Berneda
http://www.embarcadero.com/news/product_photos/RapidSQL_highres.jpg
"Hrvoje Brozovic" <a...@c.de> wrote in message news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Dean Hill
They have a turnover of around $60 million per year. That means if I
assume that with 100000 end-users they have 60000 active end-users.
Their upgrade pricing is around $1000 per year per end-user.
It would be nice to hear from the CG staff as to what they feel about
this whole thing (Letter from CEO says to ask). The more I look at it,
the more I don't like it. I fear it's more of the same. Another Borland
looking to use CG to hawk their existing products on the Delphi
bandwagon. New development in the form of adding some ET stuff to Delphi.
The letter from the CEO talks about the benefits that the IDE stuff can
bring to their Database tools and how their database stuff can make the
IDE stuff better. That sounds like Oracle Forms or one of those
products. I don't need better database stuff in Delphi, there are 100
other products already doing that.
Farshad
"David Wilcockson" <dnwatlibriosdotcom> wrote in message
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>
> AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 7, 2008--Borland Software Corporation
> (NASDAQ:BORL), the global leader in Open Application Lifecycle Management
Gush! If it was April 1st I'd expect it to be a joke!
Unknown
> I don't need better database stuff in Delphi, there
> are 100 other products already doing that.
I agree. It looks like a database shop. Can't believe they are
swallowing CG, and not the other way around.
--
Ivan Rakyta
Ivan Rakyta
were tired of uncertanities, so they just bought it with the whole company
<g>
Marco Sangali
Regards,
Marco
Hrvoje Brozovic
Two Install Types. Worksation and Client.
Workstation works on your comp,
Client, requires Licence server, to control usage on several workstations.
Workstation requires licence file on your comp.
It asociates sql and eqb extensions.
Copying files ... Lounch RapisSQL. Checked.
Splashing takes 5-10 seconds.
After that, everything disapears.
5-10 seconds more(Core duo 2.8G, 2Mb RAm), there is application.
I have choice of IBM DB2, Oracle, MS SQL, MySql, Sybase and ODBC.
4 OCX files, and 70 JAR files.
TeeChart5 is one of OCXes. So, it uses some Delphi code.
Congrats David.
"David Berneda" <da...@steema.com> wrote in message
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"David Berneda" <da...@steema.com> wrote in message
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Anton Zhuchkov
Well, as it says at their website title they are up to cross platform
solutions. Is it means that Delphi goes cross platform soon? ;)
Henrick Hellström
> Damn, if we had known that was the price, we could have bandied together
> all of the customers to buy it out. Thats not a lot of money.
The initial costs are always higher than the actual purchase price, in
particular if the seller keeps all financial assets.
yannis
nop just that they use java a lot.
regards
Yannis.
--
Maybe this world is another planet's Hell.
- Aldous Huxley (1894-1963)
Hrvoje Brozovic
location.
I don't know. It is not a delphi app. Uses lot of third party stuff, a whole
bunch from Tom Sawyer Software for example.
Uses both CharFX and TeeChart. Empty app takes about 50Mb.
Lot of WebBrowser control usage.
I hope that their plan is to rewrite all this in Delphi, but most probably
wishfull thinkning.
My fear is that their are after CG java stuff. Please, don't let it be a
case.
App looks good, but I have no idea how much it costs.
"Hrvoje Brozovic" <a...@c.de> wrote in message
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Marc Rohloff [TeamB]
http://dn.codegear.com/article/38132
--
Marc Rohloff [TeamB]
marc -at- marc rohloff -dot- com
Martin Müller
http://www.embarcadero.com/news/reviews/1674E_SQL_EMBAeprint.pdf
Rapid SQL 7.4: Price starts at $995 for the single-platform Pro version
and $2895 for multiplatform Pro versions
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
DavidI wrote about it, too:
http://dn.codegear.com/article/38132
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://www.teamb.com
"The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a
good ending, then having the two as close together as possible."
-- George Burns.
Alan Garny
news:48218d58$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Please someone wakes me up! :(
I have never heard of that company before and the fact that they seem to be
all database stuff oriented doesn't appeal to me at all. That's not what I
use Delphi for.
Those who have been claiming the end of Delphi for years might finally be
right. Time will soon tell us though!
Alan
David Champion
I would like to know how much of Embarcadero Technologies is owned by Thoma Cressey Bravo. It looks to me like an investment vehicle for them.
They may grow it with more acquisitions. And its good that CodeGear is out of Borland's hands.
Delphinian
> all database stuff oriented doesn't appeal to me at all. That's not what I
> use Delphi for.
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
> I, for one, welcome our new Embarcadero overlords...
Better them than giant ants..
--
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
Brian
Database Professionals!!!
I could definitely use it...
Brian Hollister
Michael Fritz
> I, for one, welcome our new Embarcadero overlords...
Sound more like embargo :-))
Hopefully things are changing even though and I can now download the
CodeGear products w/o the need of a local resellers in the near future.
--
cu,
Michael
Thomas Miller
world. This is good news if you use Delphi to develop DB related
programs as this company will certainly stress that part of the
development tools product line.
--
Thomas Miller
Chrome Portal Project Manager
CPCUG Programmers SIG Chairperson (formally Delphi)
Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer
http://programmers.cpcug.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/chromeportal/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/uopl/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus
Frank J
"Troy Wolbrink" <troy.w...@ccci.org> wrote in message
news:4821ada1$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> >
>> http://dn.codegear.com/article/38132
>>
>
> "...In the native space - Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder
> 2007; managed space - JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and
> JBuilder 2008 with Application Factories; dynamic languages - Delphi for
> PHP and 3rdRail Ruby on Rails IDE."
>
> Delphi for .NET is not mentioned under the "managed space". In fact .NET
> is never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
>
I think "managed space" covers it.
Troy Wolbrink
> http://dn.codegear.com/article/38132
>
"...In the native space - Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder 2007;
managed space - JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and JBuilder 2008
with Application Factories; dynamic languages - Delphi for PHP and 3rdRail
Ruby on Rails IDE."
Delphi for .NET is not mentioned under the "managed space". In fact .NET is
never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
--Troy
David Intersimone
news:12101630...@general.garant.ru...
> Well, as it says at their website title they are up to cross platform
> solutions. Is it means that Delphi goes cross platform soon? ;)
EMBT has developer/database tools for Windows and also for other platforms.
Some of their products also use Eclipse framework. Delphi for now is still
focused on native code for Windows. Together we have a UNIQUE opportunity
for launching brand new products we could never have created without each
other.
David I, CodeGear
David Wilcockson
> still focused on native code for Windows.
There is no mention of Delphi .NET products, and no current roadmap: is
there a future for Delphi ASP.NET and VCL.NET?
For example, in your article http://dn.codegear.com/article/38132, Delphi is
not mentioned within the managed space:
"In the native space – Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder 2007;
managed space – JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and JBuilder 2008
with Application Factories; dynamic languages – Delphi for PHP and 3rdRail
Ruby on Rails IDE"
David
Troy Wolbrink
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Borland\BDS" registry path? ;)
--Troy
Robert Wachtel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarcadero_Technologies
http://www.embarcadero.com/news/press_releases/ThomaCressyEquityAcquisition.html
Robert
"David Champion" <davechampion@@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:4821a842$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
David Intersimone
With JBuilder and 3rdRail using Eclipse and EMBT also using Eclipse (as well
as Windows) there are some interesting integrations we can do.
Michael Fritz
> If I understand correctly Embarcadero is a private company fully owned by Thoma Cressey Bravo.
Doesn't really sound good, IMO.
--
cu,
Michael
David Intersimone
> I don't know. It is not a delphi app. Uses lot of third party stuff, a
> whole bunch from Tom Sawyer Software for example.
> wishfull thinkning.
> My fear is that their are after CG java stuff. Please, don't let it be a
> case.
We will work together to integrate Delphi and some of their tooling as well
as create new products. Don't fear - EMBT is excited about Delphi big time.
Some of their developers learned programming on Turbo Pascal. They are all
developers just as we are. Stay tuned for things we will do together.
Delphi can use more database design, development, and optimization tooling.
The combined company, technologies, and products will move Delphi's database
capabilities forward much faster than on our own.
David Intersimone
news:4821a7ea$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> I have never heard of that company before and the fact that they seem to
> be all database stuff oriented doesn't appeal to me at all. That's not
> what I use Delphi for.
EMBT is a database tools company. Tools for developers, tools for DBAs. If
your Delphi application works with databases, then their DB tooling can help
you. Check out their SQL debugger and SQL profiler for example.
> Those who have been claiming the end of Delphi for years might finally be
> right. Time will soon tell us though!
Delphi is used for a lot of database application development. Combined we
will be able to integrate more database tooling into future generations of
Delphi. Delphi will be around for years and years to come.
David Intersimone
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Rapid SQL 7.4: Price starts at $995 for the single-platform Pro version
> and $2895 for multiplatform Pro versions
Check out their recently announced PowerSQL Personal Edition (1 Year
Subscription)
PowerSQL - An Eclipse-based SQL IDE for application developers.
$99.00
They also have SQL Debugger and SQL Profiler. Great tools for developers
building database applications. And if you use/have a DBA - they have tools
for those members of the team too.
David Intersimone
> is never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
Native, Managed, and Dynamic. Covers Delphi (both Win32 and .NET), C++,
Java, PHP, Ruby. RAD Studio 2007 has Delphi .NET. Didn't mean to list all
of the languages, otherwise I could have listed Assembler, SQL, JavaScript,
etc.
Frank J
"Robert Wachtel" <rwac...@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> I think "managed space" covers it.
>>No, as you quoted it covers "JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse,
>>and JBuilder 2008 with Application Factories"...
They never "really" supported .NET anyway...move over to MS like I did.
Dan Downs
trying for years to make ALM profitable and this just tells me they're
still failing. If Codegear can keep up the good work they've been doing
it seems shortsighted to sell them.
DD
Robert Wachtel
Frank J wrote:
>> "...In the native space - Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder
>> 2007; managed space - JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and
>> JBuilder 2008 with Application Factories; dynamic languages - Delphi for
>> PHP and 3rdRail Ruby on Rails IDE."
>>
>> Delphi for .NET is not mentioned under the "managed space". In fact .NET
>> is never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
>
> I think "managed space" covers it.
No, as you quoted it covers "JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and JBuilder 2008 with Application Factories"...
Robert
David Intersimone
news:482195b1$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Also on CodeGear Website:
> http://www.codegear.com/about/news/embt
>
> With the correct links to the pressreleases.
I updated my community letter with the correct links as well - the web team
moved the files on me.
Troy Wolbrink
> Delphi can use more database design, development, and optimization
> tooling.
And hopefully with an option to not install or turn it off.
--Troy
David Wilcockson
> is never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
>
This is also worrying me, especially with all the .NET stuff removed from
the current roadmap.
David
John Herbster
> to sell the assets of its individual developer tools
> transaction is expected to close by June 30, 2008. ...
I wonder if and how well Borland and Embarcadero will be
able to manage a move of the CodeGear newsgroups from
newsgroups.borland.com to another server. Further,
I wonder how well Google and other archive/search engines
will be able to adapt.
--JohnH
Robert Wachtel
Michael Fritz wrote:
> Hopefully things are changing even though and I can now download the
> CodeGear products w/o the need of a local resellers in the near future.
Did you tried to connect to the online store of Embarcadero from Germany?
Quote: "Our online store is not accessible from your location; please contact your regional Embarcadero Technologies office for immediate assistance or visit our Partner Directory to find a local reseller."
scnr ;)
Robert
Frank J
newsgroups...or is Delphi the only product that will survive?
David Intersimone
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Don't think I like this. The good thing is that there is no SOX. On the
> down side, this looks like an enterprise sales shop. There is not even
> pricing on their web page. "Contact us for pricing" type of thing.
They have developer products as well. You can go to their shop sites to
purchase. Just click on any of the Buy now links on the EMBT site. Gives
pricing, availability, etc - around the world. They are developers at
heart. They are focused on the database tools for design, development and
optimization of databases, just as we focus on tools for design development
and optimization of code. A perfect combination for real world database
application development.
Robert Wachtel
David Intersimone wrote:
> [...] We will be part of a 500 person, $100m company. [...]
Does this mean CodeGear will be merged into Embarcadero and we'll see the name "CodeGear" vanishing?
Robert
Manolis
I thought Codegear had 350 employees and of couse with 5.000.000 developers
worldwide.
And it was sold to a company with 150 employees?
"David Intersimone" <dav...@codegear.com> wrote in message
news:4821b319$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> "Michael Fritz" <spam_...@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:6p3ciu13auvl.pzqilmqy811k$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> If I understand correctly Embarcadero is a private company fully owned
>>> by Thoma Cressey Bravo.
>> Doesn't really sound good, IMO.
>
> Delphi moves forward. We will be part of a 500 person, $100m company. We
> will continue to move our developer products, especially Delphi, forward.
> And we can add capabilities and also create new products along the way.
> And we will be separated from Borland. We will still focus on developers.
> But as always, we have to continually prove to you that we can help you
> and move development forward.
>
>
David Intersimone
news:4821aa1e$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Same here. I don't need database stuff.
You can keep using Delphi. But maybe the Data Explorer and Visual Query
Builder in RAD Studio 2007 are not enough tooling for you in the IDE? Maybe
you need to profile your SQL if you use SQL? Maybe someone on your team
does the database modeling, refactoring, diagramming etc - they either are
already using products like DBArtisan, ER Studio, etc.
If you don't need more database development tooling, just use Delphi. But
stay tuned.
Nick Crisp
>
> They never "really" supported .NET anyway...move over to MS like I did.
>
Given all the issues I have using Delphi.Net at the moment that's where I'm
off to.
Just too many bugs...
Troy Wolbrink
> Delphi moves forward. We will be part of a 500 person, $100m company. We
> will continue to move our developer products, especially Delphi, forward.
Will CodeGear remain an independent subsidiary? Or will it be absorbed?
--Troy
David Intersimone
news:6p3ciu13auvl.pzqilmqy811k$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Thoma Cressey Bravo.
> Doesn't really sound good, IMO.
Delphi moves forward. We will be part of a 500 person, $100m company. We
will continue to move our developer products, especially Delphi, forward.
John Jacobson
"David Wilcockson" <dnwatlibriosdotcom> wrote in message
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> http://tinyurl.com/5c942g
>
> AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 7, 2008--Borland Software Corporation
> (NASDAQ:BORL), the global leader in Open Application Lifecycle Management
> (ALM), today announced preliminary financial results for the first quarter
> ended March 31, 2008. Borland also announced today a definitive agreement
> be approximately $23 million. Borland will also retain CodeGear's accounts
> receivables with an approximate value of an additional $7 million. The
$23 million is pretty much what I expected. Interesting that this means that
CodeGear is going to be bought by a private company, so no more watching the
stock market pummel Delphi.
David Intersimone
> They have a turnover of around $60 million per year. That means if I
> assume that with 100000 end-users they have 60000 active end-users.
> Their upgrade pricing is around $1000 per year per end-user.
PowerSQL Personal Edition (1 Year Subscription)
PowerSQL - An Eclipse-based SQL IDE for application developers.
$99.00
> It would be nice to hear from the CG staff as to what they feel about
> this whole thing (Letter from CEO says to ask). The more I look at it,
> the more I don't like it. I fear it's more of the same. Another Borland
> looking to use CG to hawk their existing products on the Delphi
> bandwagon. New development in the form of adding some ET stuff to Delphi.
My developer letter is posted in CDN.
> The letter from the CEO talks about the benefits that the IDE stuff can
> bring to their Database tools and how their database stuff can make the
> IDE stuff better. That sounds like Oracle Forms or one of those
> products. I don't need better database stuff in Delphi, there are 100
> other products already doing that.
DBExpress, the VCL database components, DataSnap, etc will continue to exist
and evolve/improve. Together we can add the database tooling, for those
that need/want it. We can improve the Database Explorer, Visual Query
Builder, and much more.
If Delphi has what you need (and you want more just Delphi), we will
continue developing just Delphi. Tiburon is the next step, followed by
Commodore.
Robert Wachtel
David Intersimone wrote:
> [...] You can go to their shop sites to
> purchase. Just click on any of the Buy now links on the EMBT site. Gives
> pricing, availability, etc - around the world. [...]
"Our online store is not accessible from your location; [...]"
around the world...ah, ok, yes...
Robert
David Intersimone
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
"Our online store is not accessible from your location; [...]" around the
world...ah, ok, yes...
I guess some of their online shop sites are still being created. CodeGear
does not have shop sites everywhere either, yet :(
Anton Zhuchkov
> Delphi for .NET is not mentioned under the "managed space". In fact .NET is
> never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
Actually I think that CG can drop .NET products, we have Oxygene
(Chrome) for it with all nice stuff like compiling for CF and Mono and
much more native support.
Yes, I'm a blasphemer (a bit). <g>
David Intersimone
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> How about placing some official information on the other products
> newsgroups...or is Delphi the only product that will survive?
will do. typing as fast as I can, updating my letter as everyone points out
issues, talking to partners on the phone/skype, and drinking coffee all at
the same time. Anyone got some gum I can also chew?
Alan Garny
> "Alan Garny" <som...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:4821a7ea$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> I have never heard of that company before and the fact that they seem to
>> be all database stuff oriented doesn't appeal to me at all. That's not
>> what I use Delphi for.
>
> EMBT is a database tools company. Tools for developers, tools for DBAs.
> If your Delphi application works with databases, then their DB tooling can
> help you. Check out their SQL debugger and SQL profiler for example.
I have no current and future interest in database stuff. The last time I had
a need for some was 13 years ago... yes, using Delphi 1...
>> Those who have been claiming the end of Delphi for years might finally be
>> right. Time will soon tell us though!
>
> Delphi is used for a lot of database application development. Combined we
> will be able to integrate more database tooling into future generations of
> Delphi. Delphi will be around for years and years to come.
It would seem that the keyword is database (as confirmed by your other
messages in this thread) and that is the original reason behind my message:
I am concerned about CG/EBMT focussing primarily on database stuff.
64-bit, multi-core, cross-platform, updated set of graphical components,
etc. are the things that interest me and have interested me for years.
Alan
John Moshakis
> >
>
> This is also worrying me, especially with all the .NET stuff removed
> from the current roadmap.
>
The dotnet roadmap is coming soon.
http://blogs.codegear.com/nickhodges/2008/04/23/39051
Cheers,
John
--
David Intersimone
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> I thought Codegear had 350 employees and of couse with 5.000.000
> developers worldwide.
We have around 200 employees at CodeGear worldwide.
David Intersimone
> There is no mention of Delphi .NET products, and no current roadmap: is
> there a future for Delphi ASP.NET and VCL.NET?
>
> For example, in your article http://dn.codegear.com/article/38132, Delphi
> is not mentioned within the managed space:
>
> "In the native space - Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder 2007;
> managed space - JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and JBuilder
> 2008 with Application Factories; dynamic languages - Delphi for PHP and
> 3rdRail Ruby on Rails IDE"
My mistake, thanks for pointing it out everyone. Fixed and posted. The
paragraph now says:
Over the past two years since becoming a separate business unit of Borland,
we've been heads down, focused on delivering a steady stream of innovations
that bring value to developers and optimizing our operation for long-term
success. Innovations on several fronts: traditional market segments (native
compiled and managed code) and in the dynamic language arena (Ruby on Rails
and PHP). In the native space - Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder
2007; managed space - Delphi .NET (included in RAD Studio 2007), JBuilder
2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and JBuilder 2008 with Application
Factories; dynamic languages - Delphi for PHP and 3rdRail Ruby on Rails IDE.
We've really assumed a position of technology leadership in these hot areas.
CodeGear has continued to be profitable each quarter. We now have more than
3.2 million users of our products in 29 countries, which puts us among the
world's top tools providers - and the only one focused exclusively on tools.
David Intersimone
> It would seem that the keyword is database (as confirmed by your other
> messages in this thread) and that is the original reason behind my
> message: I am concerned about CG/EBMT focussing primarily on database
> stuff.
>
> 64-bit, multi-core, cross-platform, updated set of graphical components,
> etc. are the things that interest me and have interested me for years.
Product roadmaps still focus on developers, code, application development,
platform support, unicode, 64-bit, multi-core, etc. EMBT brings the
database tooling as well, for those that need it. We will continue focusing
on our code/developer product and then some.
Troy Wolbrink
>
> ... managed space - Delphi .NET (included in RAD Studio 2007) ...
>
Thanks!
--Troy
David Intersimone
>name "CodeGear" vanishing?
We will become employees of Embarcadero Technologies. The product names
will stay: Delphi, C++Builder, RAD Studio, JBuilder, etc. This is just the
definitive agreement step. There is more operational and planning work to
be done before the deal closes. Stay tuned.
David Intersimone
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Frank J wrote:
>> "...In the native space - Delphi and Delphi/400 for Win32, C++Builder
>> 2007; managed space - JBuilder 2007, JGear plug-ins for Eclipse, and
>> JBuilder 2008 with Application Factories; dynamic languages - Delphi for
>>
>> Delphi for .NET is not mentioned under the "managed space". In fact .NET
>> is never mentioned. What does this strange omission mean, if anything?
>
fixed the article - thanks for pointing it out. Paragraph now is:
Over the past two years since becoming a separate business unit of Borland,
Cody Skidmore
> Those who have been claiming the end of Delphi for years might finally be
> right. Time will soon tell us though!
Alan, it is easy to panic with news like this, but you need to sit tight
and see how things go. This isn't necessarily bad news for CodeGear.
I don't think Borland was ever interested in marketing Delphi. At least
their external behavior sent a lot of mixed messages about Delphi.
Think about it this way. If CodeGear was purchased by a competing tools
company, one could argue the purchase was about squashing Delphi.
Since Embarcadero's main focus is SQL tools, it is more likely they're
interested in filling out their portfolio with software development
tools. CodeGear's IDEs are complimentary IMO.
Maybe Embarcadero will fund cross-platform support for Delphi.
SoulIntruder
Michael Bickel
> I have no current and future interest in database stuff. The last time I
> had
> a need for some was 13 years ago... yes, using Delphi 1...
That's you - others like me have another opinion.
A Tool like Delphi combined with database power (like i am used from Foxpro)
sounds like heaven for me.
All in all it sounds promising for me.
Michael
Paul
have put one in the CD-rack, but the computer can't detect it ...
Paul
"David Intersimone" <dav...@codegear.com> schreef in bericht
news:4821b78b$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
Keith Latham
Dude! It'll get stuck in your beard!
Alan Garny
news:4821b6de$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Alan Garny wrote:
>> Those who have been claiming the end of Delphi for years might finally be
>> right. Time will soon tell us though!
>
> Alan, it is easy to panic with news like this, but you need to sit tight
> and see how things go. This isn't necessarily bad news for CodeGear.
I will certainly hold on and see how things go. *keeps his fingers crossed!*
:)
Alan
Michael Bickel
At least it make the future of Delphi a bit more certain because i don't
think that they bought it to get rid of it straight again.
Michael
> All I am hoping for is that databases won't become the only focus of
> Delphi in the future.
>
> Alan
>
Farshad
"Robert Wachtel"
>Quote: "Our online store is not accessible from your location; please
>contact your >regional Embarcadero Technologies office for immediate
>assistance or visit our Partner >Directory to find a local reseller."
>
>scnr ;)
Noooo! The never ending nightmare! <g>
Michael Bickel
But it can be improved, enhanced...
Michael
""Leonardo M. Ramé"" <marti...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:4821ba7a$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
> > A Tool like Delphi combined with database power (like i am used from
> > Foxpro)
>
> I don't understand what you are talking about? Delphi can interact with
> any database already, effortless.
>
> Leonardo M. Ramé
> http://leonardorame.blogspot.com
>
>
na
"David Intersimone" <dav...@codegear.com> wrote in message news:4821b319$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
David,
Thank you for posting here and keeping the panic down...
Now to make me feel better :)
I know we need heavy database support and that is where a good deal of programming will be
in the future. As developers we may not need to know about the file system to much. That is
fine.
But please keep support for full application development, not just database front ends.
The need for a GUI to manipulate over 4GB of data and use C++ Builder is something
we would like to have going forward.
With 64bit and Unicode fully working and supported 3rd party developers can componentize
things you never thought to add.
Thank you.
Michael Fritz
> 500 persons??
> I thought Codegear had 350 employees and of couse with 5.000.000 developers
> worldwide.
You guess you meant us here in this NG, right :-))
> And it was sold to a company with 150 employees?
That doesn't matter at all. Borland tried to sell CodeGear and someone had
enough money to buy them - that's it!
--
cu,
Michael
Alan Garny
news:4821...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>
>> I have no current and future interest in database stuff. The last time I
>> had
>> a need for some was 13 years ago... yes, using Delphi 1...
>
> That's you - others like me have another opinion.
No doubt and I fully appreciate and respect others' opinion.
> A Tool like Delphi combined with database power (like i am used from
> Foxpro)
> sounds like heaven for me.
>
> All in all it sounds promising for me.
It might for those interested in databases, but what about the rest of us
who are not? Believe it or not, but in the same way that a lot of people use
Delphi for database applications, a lot of people also use it for
non-database stuff.
DelphiUser
of Bold for Delphi to CapableObjects!
Thank you.
And good luck for the future!
I think it's a good step.
"Leonardo M. Ramé"
question: What about a cross operating system Delphi compiler?. Is this
in the Embarcadero horizon?
Here in Latin America (specially in Argentina and Brazil) we see an
increasing adoption of Linux and Solaris in the healthcare and education
markets.
Leonardo M. Ramé
http://leonardorame.blogspot.com
David Intersimone escribió:
> "Dean Hill" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
> news:48219a2a$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>> They have a turnover of around $60 million per year. That means if I
>> assume that with 100000 end-users they have 60000 active end-users.
>> Their upgrade pricing is around $1000 per year per end-user.
>
> PowerSQL Personal Edition (1 Year Subscription)
> PowerSQL - An Eclipse-based SQL IDE for application developers.
> $99.00
>
>> It would be nice to hear from the CG staff as to what they feel about
>> this whole thing (Letter from CEO says to ask). The more I look at it,
>> the more I don't like it. I fear it's more of the same. Another Borland
>> looking to use CG to hawk their existing products on the Delphi
>> bandwagon. New development in the form of adding some ET stuff to
>> Delphi.
>
> My developer letter is posted in CDN.
>
>> The letter from the CEO talks about the benefits that the IDE stuff can
>> bring to their Database tools and how their database stuff can make the
>> IDE stuff better. That sounds like Oracle Forms or one of those
>> products. I don't need better database stuff in Delphi, there are 100
>> other products already doing that.
>
> DBExpress, the VCL database components, DataSnap, etc will continue to
> exist and evolve/improve. Together we can add the database tooling, for
> those that need/want it. We can improve the Database Explorer, Visual
> Query Builder, and much more.
>
> If Delphi has what you need (and you want more just Delphi), we will
> continue developing just Delphi. Tiburon is the next step, followed by
> Commodore.
>
>
Michael Fritz
> Did you tried to connect to the online store of Embarcadero from Germany?
No - certainly not!
> Quote: "Our online store is not accessible from your location; please contact your regional Embarcadero Technologies office for immediate assistance or visit our Partner Directory to find a local reseller."
Oops let's hope that's not again the same story with buying CodeGear
products from oversea.
OTH I certainly don't want to buy Embarcadero products as I'm very happy
with Delphi, so this is not really a big problem for me ;-)
--
cu,
Michael
"Leonardo M. Ramé"
> Foxpro)
I don't understand what you are talking about? Delphi can interact with
any database already, effortless.
Leonardo M. Ramé
http://leonardorame.blogspot.com
Michael Fritz
<news:4821b319$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>:
> Delphi moves forward. We will be part of a 500 person, $100m company. We
> will continue to move our developer products, especially Delphi, forward.
> And we can add capabilities and also create new products along the way. And
> we will be separated from Borland. We will still focus on developers. But
> as always, we have to continually prove to you that we can help you and move
> development forward.
That sound's better ;-)
--
cu,
Michael
Michael Fritz
> Does this mean they will no longer be using the
> "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Borland\BDS" registry path? ;)
IMO the Borland section should have been replaced long time ago by CodeGear
;-) [But this would break some existing coding I guess]
--
cu,
Michael
Cody Skidmore
> do together. Delphi can use more database design, development, and
> optimization tooling. The combined company, technologies, and products
> will move Delphi's database capabilities forward much faster than on our
> own.
Some folks may throw rocks at me for saying this, but having language
extensions for ORM would be great.
Ruby On Rails' approach to application development had a lot of
influence on my as a Delphi developer and I'd like to see Delphi's
future development take some cues from it.
Creating a native compiler for Ruby wouldn't hurt my feelings either. :)
Troy Wolbrink
>> I have no current and future interest in database stuff. The last time I
>> had
>> a need for some was 13 years ago... yes, using Delphi 1...
> That's you - others like me have another opinion.
I'm with you. I definitely use a database, I'm just not in the big
"enterprise" space. I'm a ISV and I currently use an Access 2000 (Jet 4.0)
database as my internal "document format". I also use SQL Server Express
for some other apps, but it's still shrink wrap software I deliver to others
that they run on their own. I'd like to move to VistaDB at some point, once
I convert my ADO apps to ADO.NET.
> A Tool like Delphi combined with database power (like i am used from
> Foxpro)
> sounds like heaven for me.
Maybe I'm too skeptical, but I'll have to see it to believe it!
--Troy
"Leonardo M. Ramé"
anyone can add/remove the needed functionality.
Leonardo M. Ramé
http://leonardorame.blogspot.com
Michael Bickel escribió:
Dejan Stankovic
> Delphi moves forward. We will be part of a 500 person, $100m company.
just hope Delphi does not become database scripting language for ER
Studio or the like...
Michael Fritz
Patrick Moloney
> My mistake, thanks for pointing it out everyone. Fixed and posted.
> The paragraph now says:
Does that leave InterBase as the touchy subject?
--
Patrick Moloney
Michael Fritz
> I guess some of their online shop sites are still being created. CodeGear
> does not have shop sites everywhere either, yet :(
So there is always enough space for improvements ;-)
--
cu,
Michael
Michael Fritz
<news:48218d58$1...@newsgroups.borland.com>:
> sell the assets of its individual developer tools unit, CodeGear, to
> Embarcadero Technologies. The purchase price for CodeGear is expected to be
> approximately $23 million. Borland will also retain CodeGear's accounts
> receivables with an approximate value of an additional $7 million. The
> transaction is expected to close by June 30, 2008.
Will this affect the release date of the next Delphi version in any way?
--
cu,
Michael
Farshad
"Michael Bickel"
> A Tool like Delphi combined with database power (like i am used from
> Foxpro)
> sounds like heaven for me.
Delphi is already armed with tremendous power to use just any database :)
d r
> But maybe the Data Explorer and Visual Query
> Builder in RAD Studio 2007 are not enough tooling for you in the IDE?
> Maybe you need to profile your SQL if you use SQL? Maybe someone on
> your team does the database modeling, refactoring, diagramming etc -
> they either are already using products like DBArtisan, ER Studio, etc.
But maybe my team does pure Win32 app development - *NO DATABASES*!
And maybe being bought by an private equity investment firm for peanuts
is adding insult to the injury and a sign of demise of delphi as a win32
app dev. tool?
And maybe, after all, David you should consider buying a boat or a house
on a prairie and think about retirement instead of selling us this ****!
But maybe you don't need retirement but a new database tools
salesman/evangelist position? But, maybe but, one of us is just naive...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Codegear management is swept by their new
private equity investment firm bosses within next 6 months. After all
private equity investment firms are not about great dev. tools/passion
for developers etc... their passion is for efficiency and cold hard cash!
So long David/CodeGear and thanks for all the fish!
DR
Farshad
"Michael Fritz"
> That doesn't matter at all. Borland tried to sell CodeGear and someone had
> enough money to buy them - that's it!
I hope that they will buy Atozed too. So IntraWeb will become an integrated
part of the Delphi.