Delphi SA
Tom
When CG comes out with D2007 for Win64 (?), will I have to purchase both
Delphi64 and SA for that product as well?
Tom
Fernando Madruga
Well, since you can get the whole RAD Studio 2007 for your SA (or so I
think I read somewhere on CodeGear or on CodeRage), I'd answer your
question with: probably not.
Of course, that's only an issue if Delphi 64 sees the light of day in
the next 12 months! :)
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
> Of course, that's only an issue if Delphi 64 sees the light of day in
> the next 12 months! :)
You should not buy SA if you intend to drop it after 12 months, IMHO.
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Fernando Madruga
> Fernando Madruga wrote:
>
>> Of course, that's only an issue if Delphi 64 sees the light of day in
>> the next 12 months! :)
>
> You should not buy SA if you intend to drop it after 12 months, IMHO.
>
I thought that the OP's post was about "saving" some money by having
Delphi for Win64 be delivered withing the SA, hence the remark! :)
Sebastian Modersohn
>
> When CG comes out with D2007 for Win64 (?), will I have to purchase both
> Delphi64 and SA for that product as well?
No. As long as you keep your SA active by renewing it every 12 months,
you'll get all releases of the Delphi product for "free".
It's a very simple calculation really: if you don't want to skip a Delphi
release in the future and there are typically less than 12 months between a
release, you're going to save money with SA in the long run.
For the short term this is almost a certain since there is a new C++Builder
release planned as well as Highlander in the second half of the year. You
would get both of those with your SA.
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Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
>
> I thought that the OP's post was about "saving" some money by having
> Delphi for Win64 be delivered withing the SA, hence the remark! :)
Inherent in any possible answer is the question of when he buys SA and when
the desired product comes out. Since the latter is not known, there's no way
to answer his question *if* it is based on only a single year of SA.
If he keeps his SA *current* then he will be entitled to all products in
that product line. Currently that includes Cogswell and Highlander.
That *probably* also includes a future 64 bit version, whenever that might
arrive, as I expect that to still be in the same product line, but of course
I'm in no position to guarantee that.
--
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selecting tyrants." - Alan Nitikman
Chris Burrows
"Wayne Niddery [TeamB]" <wnid...@chaffaci.on.ca> wrote in message
news:4609a72f$1...@newsgroups.borland.com...
>
> If he keeps his SA *current* then he will be entitled to all products in
> that product line. Currently that includes Cogswell and Highlander.
>
> That *probably* also includes a future 64 bit version, whenever that might
> arrive, as I expect that to still be in the same product line, but of
> course I'm in no position to guarantee that.
>
Are you in a position to guarantee 'Cogswell' and 'Highlander'?
--
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
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L Ritta
Can I get SA on Education Software in other words when I buy Delphi win32
Educational can I also get SA at the same time?
"Sebastian Modersohn" <ms...@NOmsohnSPAM.de> wrote in message
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Jolyon Smith
says...
> > When CG comes out with D2007 for Win64 (?), will I have to purchase both
> > Delphi64 and SA for that product as well?
>
> No. As long as you keep your SA active by renewing it every 12 months,
> you'll get all releases of the Delphi product for "free".
Not quite.
You get all releases of all the products covered by your SA.
Who's to say what SA umbrella Delphi for Win64 would fall under?
Note that there is no "Delphi SA". Delphi for PHP, for example, isn't
covered by the SA that you get with Delphi 2007 for Win32. Neither are
any Turbo :Delphi: releases.
> and there are typically less than 12 months between a
> release
Remind me: How much time was there between BDS2006 and D2007?
> you're going to save money with SA in the long run.
<sigh>
> For the short term this is almost a certain since there is a new C++Builder
> release planned as well as Highlander in the second half of the year.
You know this for a fact? How?
--
Jolyon Smith
David Erbas-White
>
>
>> For the short term this is almost a certain since there is a new C++Builder
>> release planned as well as Highlander in the second half of the year.
>
> You know this for a fact? How?
>
It's on the roadmap... (g,d,&r)
David Erbas-White
Edmund
>
> Are you in a position to guarantee 'Cogswell' and 'Highlander'?
>
He's probably in the position to guarantee that they exist and
will come out; but nothing more.
Ed
Jolyon Smith
says...
> >
> > You know this for a fact? How?
> >
> It's on the roadmap... (g,d,&r)
lol
--
Jolyon Smith
DJSox
> It's a very simple calculation really: if you don't want to skip a Delphi
> release in the future and there are typically less than 12 months between
> a release, you're going to save money with SA in the long run.
> For the short term this is almost a certain since there is a new
> C++Builder release planned as well as Highlander in the second half of the
> year. You would get both of those with your SA.
Actually, for Pro SKU users it's not so simple. Upgrade from BDS2006 to
D2007 Win32 is roughly $399, now I if I want SA I need to spend another
$360. SA is roughly $39 cheaper than the "special" (and I might add typical
initial) upgrade price. This means it would take about 10 years to recover
the initial additional cost of the SA, assuming no price increases. So maybe
by the 11th year I will start saving money. I would certainly prefer to be
on a yearly subscription, and I think for pro users a subscription price of
~$350 to $400 would be reasonable, but to have to buy into that up front,
really deflates it's value.
So while I have in the past been an early adopter of BDS2005 AND BDS2006,
this time I have to wait for the full BDS update. By the way, I have no use
for the service report or incidents or what ever they are called. Just sell
me a yearly subscription to BDS at a reasonable price and you'll have a
reliable customer. But don't charge me twice just to get on the SA
bandwagon.
Dan Sox
PeterS
>
> Actually, for Pro SKU users it's not so simple. Upgrade from BDS2006 to
> D2007 Win32 is roughly $399, now I if I want SA I need to spend another
> $360. SA is roughly $39 cheaper than the "special" (and I might add typical
> initial) upgrade price. This means it would take about 10 years to recover
> the initial additional cost of the SA, assuming no price increases. So maybe
> by the 11th year I will start saving money. I would certainly prefer to be
> on a yearly subscription, and I think for pro users a subscription price of
> ~$350 to $400 would be reasonable, but to have to buy into that up front,
> really deflates it's value.
>
> So while I have in the past been an early adopter of BDS2005 AND BDS2006,
> this time I have to wait for the full BDS update. By the way, I have no use
> for the service report or incidents or what ever they are called. Just sell
> me a yearly subscription to BDS at a reasonable price and you'll have a
> reliable customer. But don't charge me twice just to get on the SA
> bandwagon.
>
> Dan Sox
This really sums up my feelings to.
I actually almost feel cheated since I did get BDS2006, and have had lots
of small problems with it (yes it's still WAY better then 2005), and most
of the stuff in D2007 can be percieved as bugfixes.
But if I have the cash at hand I will most likely upgrade to BDS2007 when
it arrives.
/PeterS
nopost@nopost
> Let's say I were to purchase D2007 for Win32 with SA.
>
> When CG comes out with D2007 for Win64 (?)
Do you mean D2010 for Win64 ?
Sebastian Modersohn
> D2007 Win32 is roughly $399, now I if I want SA I need to spend another
> $360. SA is roughly $39 cheaper than the "special" (and I might add
> typical initial) upgrade price. This means it would take about 10 years
> to recover the initial additional cost of the SA, assuming no price
> increases.
It's not about the price difference between SA and the upgrade. It's about
release cycles. Let's assume no price changes (as you did) and that you want
*every* release:
Without SA:
1. 1st quarter 2007: D2007 Prof Upgrade: US$ 399
2. 3rd quarter 2007?: C++2007 Prof Upgrade: US$ 399
3. 4th quarter 2007?: BDS Highlander Prof Upgrade: US$ 399
With SA you only pay 399+360 as you quote. Now those release dates are
absolute speculation, but even if they shift a whole quarter it would still
fit in one SA term.
> Just sell me a yearly subscription to BDS at a reasonable price and you'll
> have a reliable customer. But don't charge me twice just to get on the SA
> bandwagon.
It's not that unlikely that subscription renewals are cheaper than the
initial payment. DevExpress does this too.
Sebastian Modersohn
>> you'll get all releases of the Delphi product for "free".
>
> Not quite.
>
> You get all releases of all the products covered by your SA.
Sure. That it doesn't cover Delphi for PHP was clear to me. I was looking
for the correct "product name" but as you pointed out "Delphi" just isn't
specific enough anymore. So the correct term would have been "RAD Studio", I
suppose?
> Who's to say what SA umbrella Delphi for Win64 would fall under?
I never claimed it would, but I do find that highly likely.
> Note that there is no "Delphi SA". Delphi for PHP, for example, isn't
> covered by the SA that you get with Delphi 2007 for Win32. Neither are
> any Turbo :Delphi: releases.
See above: call it "RAD Studio SA" then.
>> and there are typically less than 12 months between a
>> release
>
> Remind me: How much time was there between BDS2006 and D2007?
I never stated that this has been the case in the past. And the "If" which
you conveniently didn't quote does apply to that second part of the sentence
too.
>> For the short term this is almost a certain since there is a new
>> C++Builder
>> release planned as well as Highlander in the second half of the year.
>
> You know this for a fact? How?
Did you read "almost certain" and "planned"?
I'm pretty sure SA is going to be a good deal for the next 12 months. If
you're not, then fine. Give it 12 months and we'll see who was right.
--
Sebastian
Chee Wee Chua (CodeGear)
wrote:
>release, you're going to save money with SA in the long run.
>For the short term this is almost a certain since there is a new C++Builder
>release planned as well as Highlander in the second half of the year. You
>would get both of those with your SA.
I'll offer my thoughts here.
Typically, if SA costs 1/x of the product money, and it takes less than x years
to come out for a new release, then you've gotten real value there.
Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
>
> Are you in a position to guarantee 'Cogswell' and 'Highlander'?
What have I said to imply such a thing?
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before they speak."
Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
> Didn't you write?:
>
> He's probably in the position to guarantee that they exist and
> will come out; but nothing more.
TeamB are not CodeGear employees, so no we are not in that position anymore
than any other non-employee is.
--
Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)
"True peace is not the absence of tension, but the presence of
justice." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
DJSox
individual components that make up the studio.
Tom
> Delphi64 and SA for that product as well?
I suppose I have to be more specific:
Assuming that I, 1) I purchase D2007 with SA and 2) I keep my SA current
indefinitely.
Do I have to purchase Delphi Win64 with SA too?
Can a CG employee answer?
Chris Burrows
> Chris Burrows wrote:
>>
>> Are you in a position to guarantee 'Cogswell' and 'Highlander'?
>
> What have I said to imply such a thing?
>
<quote>
If he keeps his SA *current* then he will be entitled to all products in
that product line. Currently that includes Cogswell and Highlander.
</quote>
Where did you get the information 'Currently that includes Cogswell and
Highlander'? I was wondering if you knew as you were participating in a
field test as any references I have seen previously on the Borland /
CodeGear site either seem to have disappeared or are contained in the blogs
of past employees.
Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
>
> Where did you get the information 'Currently that includes Cogswell
> and Highlander'? I was wondering if you knew as you were
> participating in a field test as any references I have seen
> previously on the Borland / CodeGear site either seem to have
> disappeared or are contained in the blogs of past employees.
As with any items on a roadmap, things may change. But it has been stated
here and elsewhere enough times that Cogswell is definitely expected this
year and Highlander was also scheduled to be by end of year. Michael
Swindell mentioned Cogswell quite recently here, should be easy to find.
Obviously since they discovered they might run afoul of SOX, they cannot say
such things anymore, at least for the time being. But it has been said
*prior* to that and nothing has yet been said to indicate otherwise.
Even if Highlander were to slide up to 3 months past its last publicly
expected date, people buying SA now would still get it.
And of course if this info were *only* available to those on the field test,
I *couldn't* be in this conversation - I either would not be aware of it or
could not say.
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Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)
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