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ZeppinHood
Spam??? (and I am sorry for the double post in this group)
1) Handle something like this via email. No need to
publically get personal!
2) There is a post in non-technical for all you TeamB
folks (and anyone else) who did, or did not like the
message. I have gotten enough ragging from TeamB for
making a post designed to be helpfull!
3) Dont like it? Use your power to cancel the message!!!
I still can't figure out why you TeamB guys feel offended
by the post. Humm, seems like *you* should be posting
this message, not me.
4) Why can't you treat this message with the same respect
you give folks that thank you publically???
So Kurt, take it over to non-technical. This group is to
riddled with repeated questions as it is. We dont need
to clog it futher with ill will. There is a better use
for all of our time!
ZH
Kurt Barthelmess (TeamB) wrote:
>
> ZH -
>
> For the benefit of us "hard working" TeamB members, please don't spam
> the newsgroups like this.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Kurt
Kurt Barthelmess (TeamB)
Ingvar Nilsen
>
> I still can't figure out why you TeamB guys feel offended
> by the post.
If you wish to be taken seriously, the first thing to do is to use your
full name, don't you think?
An old answer to a question may be worthless tomorrow, the TI and FAQ
are valuable information, but the only way we can proceed, is to
continuously discuss technical things.
Ingvar Nilsen
Telcontar Software
Norway
P.S. This is also posted in the non-tech group
> Kurt,
>
> Spam??? (and I am sorry for the double post in this group)
>
> 1) Handle something like this via email. No need to
> publically get personal!
>
> 2) There is a post in non-technical for all you TeamB
> folks (and anyone else) who did, or did not like the
> message. I have gotten enough ragging from TeamB for
> making a post designed to be helpfull!
>
> 3) Dont like it? Use your power to cancel the message!!!
> I still can't figure out why you TeamB guys feel offended
> by the post. Humm, seems like *you* should be posting
> this message, not me.
>
> 4) Why can't you treat this message with the same respect
> you give folks that thank you publically???
>
> So Kurt, take it over to non-technical. This group is to
> riddled with repeated questions as it is. We dont need
> to clog it futher with ill will. There is a better use
> for all of our time!
>
> ZH
>
> Kurt Barthelmess (TeamB) wrote:
> >
Kurt Barthelmess (TeamB)
> Spam??? (and I am sorry for the double post in this group)
You posted the identical message in at least four different
newsgroups.
> 1) Handle something like this via email. No need to
> publically get personal!
Sorry, it was not intended to be "personal". The guidelines for these
newsgroups specifically ask that a given message be posted to only one
group. Many users (including myself) have to pay actual money just to
read these groups, and multiple postings run their costs up
substantially.
> 2) There is a post in non-technical for all you TeamB
> folks (and anyone else) who did, or did not like the
> message. I have gotten enough ragging from TeamB for
> making a post designed to be helpfull!
I did not see that because I don't read that newsgroup. If you were
"ragged" there, it was not by me.
> 3) Dont like it? Use your power to cancel the message!!!
> I still can't figure out why you TeamB guys feel offended
> by the post. Humm, seems like *you* should be posting
> this message, not me.
Your message was not obscene, rude, or abusive. Canceling it would not
be appropriate, imho.
> 4) Why can't you treat this message with the same respect
> you give folks that thank you publically???
While I appreciate the thought behind your message, by posting it so
many times, you end up placing yourself into the same catagory of
those you are seeking to divert from here to the FAQs and TIs. I know
that was not your intent, but that was the effect.
> So Kurt, take it over to non-technical. This group is to
> riddled with repeated questions as it is. We dont need
> to clog it futher with ill will. There is a better use
> for all of our time!
Exactly my point. You and I have the same goal, but your approach just
made things worse. If I have offended you, please accept my apologies.
Good luck.
Kurt
ZeppinHood
> newsgroups specifically ask that a given message be posted to only one
> group. Many users (including myself) have to pay actual money just to
> read these groups, and multiple postings run their costs up
> substantially.
Like "Duplicate message posts"? Not meaning to be picky but the hundered
or so bytes of this message were designed to save millions in the end.
(I thought Inprise sponsored TeamB accounts? Did they stop?)
So many off topic bogus messages are tolarated like "Why buy the upgrade
CD",
"Inprise steals articles, but this helpfull message was labled "spam". I
do
not think this message took any more space than a TeamB double post that
does not get cleaned up after.
Besides, this post had some real value! It help made folks aware that
the
FAQs are available (somthing TeamB rarely advertises). The idea was to
dave you, me and everyone time, effort and money. If it saved you
5 minutes a day, thats 30 hours (almost a free work week). Thats
More than 2 cents worth of value. Multiply that by the number of
forums and Inprise might not have to support so many Tea.... oh!!!
I understand now!!! Gotcha! Mumus the word!!!
> Your message was not obscene, rude, or abusive. Canceling it would not
> be appropriate, imho.
Thank you. I really wished you guys would have simply smiled, and
accepted the gesture in the manner it was intended. To bad this thread
continues.
> While I appreciate the thought behind your message, by posting it so
> many times, you end up placing yourself into the same catagory of
> those you are seeking to divert from here to the FAQs and TIs. I know
> that was not your intent, but that was the effect.
Thank you for the appreciation, however, I cannot see your reasoning.
IMHO, it is akin to passing out a few flyers asking for volunteers to
to do a beach cleanup. Sure, a few may end up as litter, but if you
saved some turtles from some of those 6 pack rings that are out there,
you more than made up for it.
IHMO: The effect of the original post seems to have had several effects:
1) It may have actually been benificial as intended.
2) It seems to have upset a couple of TeamB members, and two forum
members.
3) It has wasted a bunch of time and bandwidth arguing about it.
I am very suprised that no one said... "Thats a good idea".
Somehow, if it had been an official post (thats a good idea),
it would have carried more weight.
> Exactly my point. You and I have the same goal, but your approach just
> made things worse. If I have offended you, please accept my apologies.
And if I have offended you, please accept mine.
Lets cut this thread... ok?
ZH
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Steve Schafer (TeamB)
<zeppi...@badsector.com> wrote:
>Like "Duplicate message posts"?
The purpose of those is to ensure that the discussion of the original
question takes place in a single thread, and not scattered across
multiple threads in different groups.
-Steve
David Ullrich
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> Your message was not obscene, rude, or abusive. Canceling it would not
> be appropriate, imho.
Well I agree that cancelling his message would bave been inappropriate,
but I'm curious: we have a policy about cancelling rude and abusive messages?
I'm knew that obscene messages got cancelled... the bit about cancelling
rude and abuzive ones is new in the last month or so, right?
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David Ullrich
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Kurt Barthelmess (TeamB)
> but I'm curious: we have a policy about cancelling rude and abusive messages?
> I'm knew that obscene messages got cancelled... the bit about cancelling
> rude and abuzive ones is new in the last month or so, right?
No, the policy has not changed. The intent is to keep this first a
group that parents can feel comfortable in letting their kids jump
onto. Second to avoid anyone getting slammed for being "stupid",
"dumb", etc.
fwiw, canceling a message requires us to notify the sender via email
and the Inprise Online Services Manager at Inprise of such an action,
along with an explanation for that action.
Good luck.
Kurt
David Ullrich
>
> David -
>
> > but I'm curious: we have a policy about cancelling rude and abusive messages?
> > I'm knew that obscene messages got cancelled... the bit about cancelling
> > rude and abuzive ones is new in the last month or so, right?
>
> No, the policy has not changed. The intent is to keep this first a
> group that parents can feel comfortable in letting their kids jump
> onto. Second to avoid anyone getting slammed for being "stupid",
> "dumb", etc.
Huh. Sure sounds like the policies changed - if this is the
policy it's hard to see how something like
A: I'm getting tired of your [I forget the term]. If you'd just stop
blathering about the 10% you think you undetstand and shut and
listen maybe I could teach you something.
B: Ok, what is it you're trying to teach me?
A: If you'd just stop blathering about the 10% you think you undetstand
and shut and listen maybe I could teach you something.
Not a verbatim quote, but I'm not making it up - A says _explicitly_
he's tired of B's I think it was refractory denseness, A states
exoplicitly that he's trying to teach B something. B replies
as above, asking for A to simply say what he's trying to teach
him, and instead of explaing A _repeats_ his statement that
if B would just shut up maybe A could teach him something.
Honest - incredible but true:
"Ok, what are you trying to teach me?"
"If you'd just shut up and listen I could teach you something!"
Hard to believe but that's what it was. "I'm getting tired
of your regractory denseness" doesn't count as abusive?
Replying to "Ok, what are you trying to teach me?"
with "If you'd just shut up maybe I could teach you
something" doesn't count as rude?
Never mind...
Kurt Barthelmess (TeamB)
> A: I'm getting tired of your [I forget the term]. If you'd just stop
> blathering about the 10% you think you undetstand and shut and
> listen maybe I could teach you something.
If I saw such a message, I probably would cancel it. But odds are I
wouldn't see it unless it appeared in a thread I was already watching.
There is far too much traffic for me to read every message here.
Good luck.
Kurt
David Ullrich
I didn't actually mean to go on like this. Well I suppose
I did, but I can probably shut up now. (No, as far as I could see
you weren't following that one.)