Suggestions for Reorging Newsgroups
Linda Sherman
reorganizations of these newgroups.
(1) Combine the Delphi and Builder database newsgroups. There's hardly
any traffic on the Builder versions, and almost none of the threads are
language specific anyway, nearly all the questions having to do with
VCL-vs-database. BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
any real help, so I don't see the point in maintaining two sets. It's
just twice as many newsgroups for me to subscribe to without any added
value.
(2) Change the name of the .language groups to .c++ and .pascal
respectively. It might cut down on the off-topic posts. The word
"language" is really not as obvious as I think some people imagine it to
be.
(3) Create a .talk group and encourage the discussions about religion,
gun control, etc. to move there. The non-tech groups are getting overrun
with this stuff, and I'd like to be able to use the non-tech groups for
more relevant things like discussing future releases and Inprise's stock
price without having to wade through all this other noise.
Just some ideas.
Lin
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phone: 1-727-842-6756 fax: 1-727-842-6853
Timmy
> (1) Combine the Delphi and Builder database newsgroups. There's hardly
> any traffic on the Builder versions, and almost none of the threads are
> language specific anyway, nearly all the questions having to do with
> VCL-vs-database. BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
> any real help, so I don't see the point in maintaining two sets. It's
> just twice as many newsgroups for me to subscribe to without any added
> value.
never been to the database newsgroup so i don't really care
>
> (2) Change the name of the .language groups to .c++ and .pascal
> respectively. It might cut down on the off-topic posts. The word
> "language" is really not as obvious as I think some people imagine it to
> be.
ok, or you can just merge all the things to one group: bcb. However,
changing the name would confuse everyone.
> (3) Create a .talk group and encourage the discussions about religion,
> gun control, etc. to move there. The non-tech groups are getting overrun
> with this stuff, and I'd like to be able to use the non-tech groups for
> more relevant things like discussing future releases and Inprise's stock
> price without having to wade through all this other noise.
>
You goto a chat room if you want to talk and you go here to get your
questions about bcb answered. I don't think borland/inprise wants to listen
the stuff goes on in the talk newsgroup. Let me point you to some newsgroups
for 'out of bcb discussion':
alt.religon.bevis-n-butthead
kansascity.community.gunsandthe2ndamendment
talk.politics.guns
If you aren't satisfied with borland's newsgroups I'm sure you can find a
home elseware:
See these:
http://www.borland.com/feedback/newsgrps.html
Steven Blatt
Timmy wrote in message <7eu409$cc...@forums.borland.com>...
>If you aren't satisfied with borland's newsgroups I'm sure you can find a
>home elseware:
>See these:
Linda posts an intelligent subject and you respond like an insulted 10 year
old kid.
Linda
At one time there was talk of a chatty group, but it never materialized.
Anyway, I agree with you.
Steven
Tzvetan Mikov
non-technical newsgroups.
regards,
Tzvetan
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Tzvetan Mikov <mi...@usa.net> wrote:
>These are all wonderful ideas. I would also suggest merging BCB and Delphi
>non-technical newsgroups.
That's been suggested a couple of times but is unlikely to happen;
the groups represent different communities, and the merger
would be painful.
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Tzvetan Mikov
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote in message
<7eu6tl$hk8$1...@shausle3.inprise.com>...
>That's been suggested a couple of times but is unlikely to happen;
>the groups represent different communities, and the merger
>would be painful.
>
Different communities - I don't think so. After all we are all using exactly
the same tools. Many of us are posting in (and reading) both newsgroups. As
Linda pointed out, any BCB user has to read the Delphi newsgroups anyway. I
also hope that we (BCB users) have something to offer to the Delphi users
because C is the "native" language of Windows and some of the problems have
solutions in C that are not quite so obvious in Pascal.
I think a merger would be painful mainly because we would have to
reconfigure our newsreaders :-)
regards,
Tzvetan
Damon Chandler
"components.creating" and "components.using." It's hard to tell
sometimes whether the poster is targeting answers for component creation
or utilization. This would also narrow down the search when looking for
refernces.
//Damon
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http://bcbcaq.freeservers.com
Answers to <Commonly Asked Questions>
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
>This is probably pretty nitpicking, but I'd like to suggest some minor
>reorganizations of these newgroups.
Everybody needs to get their nits picked every now and then... <g>
>(1) Combine the Delphi and Builder database newsgroups. There's hardly
>any traffic on the Builder versions, and almost none of the threads are
>language specific anyway, nearly all the questions having to do with
>VCL-vs-database. BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
>any real help, so I don't see the point in maintaining two sets. It's
>just twice as many newsgroups for me to subscribe to without any added
>value.
Ouch, I thought that I was providing some useful content over there. I
guess not?
>(2) Change the name of the .language groups to .c++ and .pascal
>respectively. It might cut down on the off-topic posts. The word
>"language" is really not as obvious as I think some people imagine it to
>be.
This isn't too bad, but what makes you think that people will see the C++
or pascal in the name, when they can't seem to see the cppbuilder or
delphi in the names now?
>(3) Create a .talk group and encourage the discussions about religion,
>gun control, etc. to move there. The non-tech groups are getting overrun
>with this stuff, and I'd like to be able to use the non-tech groups for
>more relevant things like discussing future releases and Inprise's stock
>price without having to wade through all this other noise.
This was actually asked some time ago by Ben (when he was still here and
our on-line Sysop). He was working on trying to create something to help
achieve the separation of "chit-chat" from the product related groups. I do
not know what ever came of his work in that area before he was "released"
in the last major reduction in employees...
>Just some ideas.
Although I may not agree with all of the views, I think that your ideas
are a good discussion topic. " What newsgroups should Borland offer on
their news server?"
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
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Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB)
>Different communities - I don't think so.
Tzvetan, I read both (well, those message that are not filtered out
<g>). delphi.non-technical and cppbuilder.non-technical have a
completely different set of people who might not mix well.
>As
>Linda pointed out, any BCB user has to read the Delphi newsgroups anyway.
Yes, but Linda suggested this for some technical groups.
>I
>also hope that we (BCB users) have something to offer to the Delphi users
>because C is the "native" language of Windows and some of the problems have
>solutions in C that are not quite so obvious in Pascal.
Well, in my arrogant opinion the "obvious" (aka readable) solution is
first written in Pascal ;-). Now C++ - that's a different beast <g>.
>I think a merger would be painful mainly because we would have to
>reconfigure our newsreaders :-)
Oh, there will be pain. Sigh.
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gerard patel
wrote:
<snip>
>(1) Combine the Delphi and Builder database newsgroups. There's hardly
>any traffic on the Builder versions, and almost none of the threads are
>language specific anyway, nearly all the questions having to do with
>VCL-vs-database. BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
>any real help, so I don't see the point in maintaining two sets. It's
>just twice as many newsgroups for me to subscribe to without any added
>value.
<snip>
I'm subscribing to 11 Borland news groups. The database ng
don't seem to me the one having the less traffic. The graphics
and winapi ng have less (I think). The same could be said for
these ng.
I don't care much for reading more posts, too.
Unless I find a news group reader that filters object pascal <g>
Gerard
Matzerath The Wolf
I tryed to log from 8:30 this morning to exactly now and finnally got
thru.
I'm reallllly tired of this newsgroup not responding thing...
THATS what I want changed.....
Matzerath The Wolf...
Alisdair Meredith
How about a 'feature-request' newsgroup? Or maybe two, one for the VCL
and one for the IDE. Ideally these groups would be common to both
Delphi and Builder, as we both share the same VCL. There is always the
feeling as a Builder developer that any VCL requests have a narrow
window of opportunity, as by the time we catch up with the last Delphi
VCL, the next one is almost shipping, so its too late for input.
I'll also cast another vote for a 'talk' newsgroup separate to the
non-technical ones. What's wrong with building a little community
spirit out here? And if you don't want it, don't subscribe to the group
and rejoice that all that traffic has moved from the ones you read!
Would also be nice to have a technical newsgroup, for talking ideas
about good methodology and sound programming practice, or maybe a group
for STL, although those are both generally covered by 'language' right
now. It would certainly be nice for a more advanced group covering the
'how BEST to' to questions once you've got 'how to' covered :¬ )
AlisdairM
Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)
the viewpoint and perspectives are in many cases radically different between
the users.
I mean, I don't want to be surrounded by those emotional begin-enders. Do
you?
<just kidding>
Chris (TeamB)
Tzvetan Mikov wrote in message <7eub5u$cc...@forums.borland.com>...
>
>aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote in message
><7eu6tl$hk8$1...@shausle3.inprise.com>...
>>That's been suggested a couple of times but is unlikely to happen;
>>the groups represent different communities, and the merger
>>would be painful.
>>
>
>Different communities - I don't think so. After all we are all using
exactly
>the same tools. Many of us are posting in (and reading) both newsgroups. As
>Linda pointed out, any BCB user has to read the Delphi newsgroups anyway. I
>also hope that we (BCB users) have something to offer to the Delphi users
>because C is the "native" language of Windows and some of the problems have
>solutions in C that are not quite so obvious in Pascal.
>
>I think a merger would be painful mainly because we would have to
>reconfigure our newsreaders :-)
>
>regards,
>Tzvetan
>
>
>
Alisdair Meredith
> I mean, I don't want to be surrounded by those emotional begin-enders. Do
> you?
> <just kidding>
And double the volume of Linux-nuts, urgh...
<g,d and r for cover>
AlisdairM
Matzerath The Wolf
>
> End of comment. No more info. :-)
>
> --
> Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB) http://www.econos.de/
> Please do apply judgement when sending email.
Well I was heard at least !
Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB)
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB) <Stefan.Ho...@Econos.de> wrote:
><g>). delphi.non-technical and cppbuilder.non-technical have a
>completely different set of people who might not mix well.
I used to read delphi.non-technical, and have to wholeheartedly
agree.
>>As
>>Linda pointed out, any BCB user has to read the Delphi newsgroups anyway.
>
>Yes, but Linda suggested this for some technical groups.
And it was a good idea, for some technical groups.
>Well, in my arrogant opinion the "obvious" (aka readable) solution is
>first written in Pascal ;-). Now C++ - that's a different beast <g>.
Heh. Absolute opposite for me. :)
Rodolfo M. Raya
news:3717aa07....@forums.inprise.com...
> > ... BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
> >any real help, so I don't see the point in maintaining two sets. It's
> >just twice as many newsgroups for me to subscribe to without any added
> >value.
>
> Ouch, I thought that I was providing some useful content over there. I
> guess not?
Actually you are. You can rest a little on Mark's shoulder now but you
provided the best help since Jim bailey left the group.
Rodolfo
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Rodolfo M. Raya
news:37127D56...@gte.net...
> ... BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
> any real help,
I don't read Delphi news. I wrote my last Pascal code in 1989 and sometimes
I get lost with Delphi syntax.
I'm not sure if I would to mix BCB and Delphi.
My $0.02
Bill D. Pirkle
>> (3) Create a .talk group and encourage the discussions about religion,
>> gun control, etc. to move there. The non-tech groups are getting overrun
>> with this stuff, and I'd like to be able to use the non-tech groups for
>> more relevant things like discussing future releases and Inprise's stock
>> price without having to wade through all this other noise.
>>
>
>You goto a chat room if you want to talk and you go here to get your
>questions about bcb answered. I don't think borland/inprise wants to listen
>the stuff goes on in the talk newsgroup. Let me point you to some newsgroups
>for 'out of bcb discussion':
>
>alt.religon.bevis-n-butthead
>kansascity.community.gunsandthe2ndamendment
>talk.politics.guns
I'm still something of a newcomer here, but here's my two cents worth:
I liked Ben's "chat group" idea before, and have become more in favor
of it all the time. As I've said elsewhere, I think that building a
sense of community and providing and environment for developing
professional friendships is a great use of these groups. I don't know
about the rest of you, but I don't usually get to know someone by
asking them how to terminate interrupt routines or telling them which
STL to use for DOS development (neither of which is BCB-related, but I
currently make my living with BC++ 4.52/5.02, not BCB so my presence
in the BCB tech groups is thus far nonexistant; hopefully that will
change).
Anyway, I've greatly enjoyed discussing religion, politics, etc. with
Jeff, aphrael, Jason, Michael, Ken, and everyone else. But I feel
reasonably guilty about doing so in this forum because although some
folks apparently enjoy reading all this (or at the least don't mind),
a bunch of others don't (and its not just these "charged" topics that
catch heat for being off-topic - remember the TBananas?).
Why don't we do as Timmy suggested and take these discussions to a
chat room? Well, Michael is in Australia, I'm in Texas, Jeff's in
California, etc. The timing gets tough. What about his Usenet
suggestion? You get drowned in the noise too quickly. And there
aren't any benevolent TeamBers to cull out the profanity, personal
attacks, etc. But none of that gets at the heart of the reason.
These discussions are the on-line equivalent of "water-cooler" or
"coffee pot" conversations at the office. I have come to consider the
people on these groups colleagues in just as real a sense as the
people that I rub elbows with every day. Getting to know each other
is part of building on that.
Anyway, to summarize, I think the "off-topic" discussions have their
place, but I'm in favor of moving them to a "chat"/"talk" group.
Bill D. Pirkle
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Bill D. Pirkle <pir...@NOSPAM.cy-net.net> wrote:
>>You goto a chat room if you want to talk and you go here to get your
>>questions about bcb answered. I don't think borland/inprise wants to listen
>>the stuff goes on in the talk newsgroup. Let me point you to some newsgroups
>>for 'out of bcb discussion':
I know you didn't say this, bill, but:
(1) this is the .non-technical newsgroup. It is appropriate
to talk about life, that is, non-technical subjects, that is,
things that are important that aren't necessarily related
to C++Builder, here. That's what the group is for. :)
(2) Borland created this newsgroup for that purpose.
>I liked Ben's "chat group" idea before, and have become more in favor
>of it all the time. As I've said elsewhere, I think that building a
>sense of community and providing and environment for developing
>professional friendships is a great use of these groups. I don't know
Absolutely. I gain much more respect for the individuals
in this group by talking with them, and interacting with them
as people --- even the ones I disagree with --- than I
ever could simply by talking shop.
>attacks, etc. But none of that gets at the heart of the reason.
>These discussions are the on-line equivalent of "water-cooler" or
>"coffee pot" conversations at the office. I have come to consider the
>people on these groups colleagues in just as real a sense as the
>people that I rub elbows with every day. Getting to know each other
>is part of building on that.
>
>Anyway, to summarize, I think the "off-topic" discussions have their
>place, but I'm in favor of moving them to a "chat"/"talk" group.
A bit of history: that was the original intent of the
.non-technical newsgroup. What perplexes me about the
posts asking these conversations to move is this:
what _should_ be discussed in .non-technical?
Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB)
>I'll also cast another vote for a 'talk' newsgroup separate to the
>non-technical ones. What's wrong with building a little community
>spirit out here?
The problem with that is that the "chatter" almost always evolves from
a "hard" appropriate topic in these newsgroups.
Note that I am neither saying that I am in favour nor against your
suggestion.
>It would certainly be nice for a more advanced group covering the
>'how BEST to' to questions once you've got 'how to' covered :¬ )
Post them wherever they fit - the advanced users will find them. Also
be realize that are C++ groups "out" on Usenet that may have
interesting info, too, although the signal-to-noise ratio does not
match the standards in these groups.
Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB)
>>Well, in my arrogant opinion the "obvious" (aka readable) solution is
>>first written in Pascal ;-). Now C++ - that's a different beast <g>.
>
>Heh. Absolute opposite for me. :)
Been nurtured with C, eh? :-)
Well, me = Object Pascal lover. I do all my extreme hacks in Object
Pascal. Because I have been raised with Turbo Pascal, I suppose <g>
Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB)
>I mean, I don't want to be surrounded by those emotional begin-enders.
Ha! You made a fatal mistake then, by inviting one of these
begin-enders to join TeamB C++Builder <g>. [*]
Ohhh, I hope that they don't kick me out now...
[*] I like C++, too, BTW. About the only thing I don't like about C++
is that it *can* be abused easily. That's a pretty difficult task to
accomplish in Object Pascal.
D. Jeff Rhodes
> Jeff, aphrael, Jason, Michael, Ken, and everyone else. But I feel
Thank you!
> Anyway, to summarize, I think the "off-topic" discussions have their
I agree.
> place, but I'm in favor of moving them to a "chat"/"talk" group.
Not having a preference, I'll go with the flow.
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
> .non-technical newsgroup. What perplexes me about the
> posts asking these conversations to move is this:
>
> what _should_ be discussed in .non-technical?
Cool :-))
Jeff
Linda Sherman
>
> Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
> news:37127D56...@gte.net...
>
> > ... BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
> > any real help,
>
> I don't read Delphi news. I wrote my last Pascal code in 1989 and sometimes
> I get lost with Delphi syntax.
>
> I'm not sure if I would to mix BCB and Delphi.
>
I should clarify that I was talking *only* about the *database*
newsgroups, and especially about the database.multitier and
database.sqlservers groups. (I agree that .desktop should probably be
kept separate, and I don't read it anyway, so I'm not really in a
position to comment). There's very little traffic on the Builder side on
this two groups, and I've yet to see much of anything on the Delphi side
of these two groups that is Pascal-specific.
Otherwise, I definitely do not want to mix Delphi and Builder groups.
Lin
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Linda Sherman
How about stuff of relevance to using Borland products? Things like:
* Borland's stock price, financial situation, etc.
* documentation problems, suggestions, etc.
* management changes
* pricing, return policy, etc.
* how to order, where to buy, etc.
* what we'd like to see in the next patch/release
* books, magazines, websites about Builder
* surfing monkeys, splash screens, etc.
* why Microsoft sucks/rules/whatever
* how to be assimilated by TeamBorg
There's a lot of traffic on this newsgroup, more than enough to justify
a reasonable split, I think. The situation is even more problematic on
delphi.non-tech.
Linda Sherman
>
> These are all wonderful ideas. I would also suggest merging BCB and Delphi
> non-technical newsgroups.
Then I'd *really* have to insist on a separate chat group, because the
signal-to-noise ratio on delphi.non-tech approaches 0:INF.
Linda Sherman
>
> Everybody needs to get their nits picked every now and then... <g>
I only pick my...never mind.
> >(1) Combine the Delphi and Builder database newsgroups. There's hardly
> Ouch, I thought that I was providing some useful content over there. I
> guess not?
I realize after reading some of the responses that I was being over
general. I don't read .desktop, so I don't have an informed opinion on
what to do with that group, but the .sqlservers and .multitier groups
are pretty empty on the Builder side. Those are the ones I'd like to see
merged with the Delphi groups. I wouldn't mind seeing the .multitier
groups folded into the MIDAS group as well.
I'd also like to see a .sql group in addition to or instead of the
.sqlservers groups. There seems to be a lot of overlap between
.sqlservers and .multitier, and I confess it's not always clear to me
what topics belong in which of these two groups. However, it seems to me
that there's a clear distinction between SQL and Everything Else, and an
awful lot of the traffic is really about SQL.
Anyway, I've never seen you not provide useful content, but since hardly
anyone posts to builder.database.multier and
builder.database.sqlservers, you haven't really had the opportunity to
show your stuff. :)
> >(2) Change the name of the .language groups to .c++ and .pascal
> >respectively. It might cut down on the off-topic posts. The word
> >"language" is really not as obvious as I think some people imagine it to
> >be.
>
> This isn't too bad, but what makes you think that people will see the C++
> or pascal in the name, when they can't seem to see the cppbuilder or
> delphi in the names now?
I do at times feel like asking, "what part of 'cppbuilder.language' do
you not understand?".
It seems to me, however, that the majority of off-topic postings to the
.language groups belong in the .vcl group or .winapi group. I suspect
what's happening is that people don't necessarily make the connection
that the bug in their *code* is a problem in how they are using the VCL
or the Win API. I have to confess, however, that I can't make much of an
argument that calling the group c++ would help much.
Of course, you will always have those who just don't pay attention, or
who don't care.
I also think it would help if Borland would automagically post the
newsgroup guidelines on a regular basis, say twice a month or once a
week. I've suggested this before.
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
"Rodolfo M. Raya" wrote:
> (...) you
> provided the best help since Jim bailey left the group.
>
Incidentally, does anyone know how is he?
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> A bit of history: that was the original intent of the
> .non-technical newsgroup. What perplexes me about the
> posts asking these conversations to move is this:
>
> what _should_ be discussed in .non-technical?
>
I think that this is the very heart of the issue (also goes well with
your sig <g>).
This sort of demand has been going in and out in this particular
newsgroup.
I'd ask people who are proposing different arrangements to bear in mind
that any newsgroup hyerarchy is inherently arbitrary in its boundaries
(reminds me of a Borges story, about a chinese encyclopedia of animals -
I bet Rodolfo know it <g>), and what one of us thinks that is clearly
(un)fit for non-tech may not be so clear for others.
So I think that instead of major surgery (if not for other reason
because most of the offending threads have arisen from hard-core
quasi-tech stuff, as Stefan points out somewhere else around here),
maybe we could just edit more wisely the Subject area, and make more use
of the virtue of tolerance...
Having said that, may I add that TBanana rulez? :)
Ken
P.S. Nice intervention, much in the good tradition that Ben set. Have
you heard of him lately?
Timmy
that your are on the same irc server?
i know there are also many java applet chatrooms out there... if i get some
replies i might put a java chatroom on my bcb page
ps: if you haven't got that yet my first post was sort of a joke
Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:37127D56...@gte.net...
> This is probably pretty nitpicking, but I'd like to suggest some minor
> reorganizations of these newgroups.
>
> (1) Combine the Delphi and Builder database newsgroups. There's hardly
> any traffic on the Builder versions, and almost none of the threads are
> language specific anyway, nearly all the questions having to do with
> VCL-vs-database. BCB users have to read the Delphi threads anyway to get
> any real help, so I don't see the point in maintaining two sets. It's
> just twice as many newsgroups for me to subscribe to without any added
> value.
>
> (2) Change the name of the .language groups to .c++ and .pascal
> respectively. It might cut down on the off-topic posts. The word
> "language" is really not as obvious as I think some people imagine it to
> be.
>
> (3) Create a .talk group and encourage the discussions about religion,
> gun control, etc. to move there. The non-tech groups are getting overrun
> with this stuff, and I'd like to be able to use the non-tech groups for
> more relevant things like discussing future releases and Inprise's stock
> price without having to wade through all this other noise.
>
> Just some ideas.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
He's still on TeamB, but he's been keeping a low profile.
Seems to be recovering nicely, as far as i can tell.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote:
>I also think it would help if Borland would automagically post the
>newsgroup guidelines on a regular basis, say twice a month or once a
>week. I've suggested this before.
Yep. Ben did it pretty regularly, but since he's gone ...
I'm supposed to write a program to do this, but it
keeps getting pushed down on my priority list.
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> He's still on TeamB, but he's been keeping a low profile.
>
> Seems to be recovering nicely, as far as i can tell.
>
Nice to know that. If he's reading this NG or if someone can forward
this to him, tell Jim I sent him my best wishes...
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> Ben did it pretty regularly, but since he's gone ...
>
>
Have you heard of him lately?
Ken
D. Jeff Rhodes
>
> Ha! You made a fatal mistake then, by inviting one of these
> begin-enders to join TeamB C++Builder <g>. [*]
It's okay mate. As long as you're able to embrace the bracey bracers, yer
welcome to TeamBCPP, mate. Happy to have ya here with us, me friend!
> Ohhh, I hope that they don't kick me out now...
Nay, if'n they'd cast ya overboard, be sure I'd take the plunge with ya.
It's uh matter of loyalty and principle.
> [*] I like C++, too, BTW. About the only thing I don't like about C++
> is that it *can* be abused easily. That's a pretty difficult task to
> accomplish in Object Pascal.
Didn't the Admiral tell ya 'bout the new law fer Sea++ offenders? Hang'em
from the rigging by one foot for two days, if'n they dangle any pointers.
And we're supposed to keel-hull'em twice if there's nary a whitespace nor a
comment, and see if'n the barnacles can teach 'em some manners. The Captain
hung me upside down from the rigging for two days fer too many
comma-operators in a for-loop! Seems a far fairer thing 'n makin' shipmates
untangle what they mangle. Amen?
Well, it's startin' to blow, so we'll see ya below.
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
> that your are on the same irc server?
> i know there are also many java applet chatrooms out there... if i get
some
> replies i might put a java chatroom on my bcb page
My guess is that programmers are not interested in chat very often. I am
not. Programmers want what they write to have some persistance, and prefer
to have well considered replies. Chat like mIRC may not be very suitable in
this regard.
On the other hand, there are all kinds of programmers, so you could give it
a try.
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
> signal-to-noise ratio on delphi.non-tech approaches 0:INF.
Perhaps another solution would be to create a TCP/IP filter layer at the
Windows hardware interface level.
There are so many newsgroups with so many good messages and yet so much
noise! If I had a low tolerance for noise, I'd write my own filter. Forget
all the pathetic filters built into the various newsreaders! I'd make a
filter with boolean filter capability on the message bodies as well. I
wouldn't care if I had to download messages that I didn't want to read, as
long as I wouldn't have to read them! I am sure a lot of us would like to
use such a thing, if you'd share it. Won't all the time you save not reading
noise in all the newsgroups over your lifetime be worth a little time
writing the filter?
Here's how your filter could work. You'd configure your news reader to use
different connection device than your web browser uses. This connection
device would look like some kind of sockets or ppp device, like a second
modem or T1 line or whatever, but would actually be a logical deivice rather
than a physical one. This logical device is your filter and would actually
use the same modem or connection device that your web browser uses. However
this one captures newsgroup requests from your favorite newsreader and
filters the answers from the requested newserver, filtering out the unwanted
ones messages, so that the newsreader never sees them.
At least you would be in control and would not be at the mercy of who ever
is running your favorite newsgroups. Maybe you could sell to others who also
have a low tolerance for noise.
Jeff
Rodolfo M. Raya
message news:3713EEC1.69F77C05@invert_order.br.com.unisys...
> (reminds me of a Borges story, about a chinese encyclopedia of animals -
Robert reads Machado, you read Borges. I never thought my mom was right when
she told me that Spanish literature is the most read one. I should apologize
next weekend. :)
Rodolfo M. Raya
news:7f0r02$1ob$1...@shausle3.inprise.com...
> I'm supposed to write a program to do this, but it
> keeps getting pushed down on my priority list.
I wonder what language/tool you would select to write that program. Does VB
have any chance? :)
gerard patel
<kcamargo@invert_order.br.com.unisys> wrote:
>Nice to know that. If he's reading this NG or if someone can forward
>this to him, tell Jim I sent him my best wishes...
>
Same feelings here.
Gerard
D. Jeff Rhodes
apologize
> next weekend. :)
I never read Spanish literature before Machado here, if that helps. <grin>
Jeff
Stefan Hoffmeister (TeamB)
Javier
D. Jeff Rhodes escribió en mensaje <7f1pat$g0...@forums.borland.com>...
Not even "El Quijote"??... Shame on you!! :-))
Javier
Rob Allen
wrote:
> > place, but I'm in favor of moving them to a "chat"/"talk" group.
>
> Not having a preference, I'll go with the flow.
>
I agree. If a .chat or similar is created then I'll subscribe to that as well
as .non-technical. Of course, you'll then get an increase in both groups of
posts that redirect posts to the other group!
What about humurous asides? would they be banned on .non-tech if a .chat
exists?
Rob...
--
Rob Allen
Freshfield Communications Limited
All Opinions are mine and mine alone!
Bill D. Pirkle
wrote:
>What about humurous asides? would they be banned on .non-tech if a .chat
>exists?
That's a fine line that would be somewhat difficult to find. My
thought is that a humorous aside to an on-topic post would be
appropriate for .non-tech because if it were posted out of context in
the .talk group it wouldn't make any sense. But when the subject
wanders far enough that the previous conversation in the thread is not
necessary to follow what's currently being discussed, it would be a
good candidate to move.
Your point, of course, is how to define "far enough". That's a tough
one. The danger of excessive "hey, take this somewhere else" posts
was my biggest hesitation in voicing support for the .talk group.
Bill D. Pirkle
Michelle Kinderknecht
take place in this forum. Usually, a glance at the first couple of
lines lets the reader know what the subject is.
I think, from previous experience in this type of "sub-classing", that
it is very difficult to decide what should or should not be in non-tech
but in a chat forum.
My 2 cents here is a couple of things:
1. If an "on-topic" thread become decidely off-topic, we should change
the subject header to reflect such. Then those that don't want to
participate, don't have to. This was something that was suggested quite
some time ago, and while I don't believe every one liner needs to have a
warning header, those subjects that go on and on, should have a warning.
2. The length of the messages lately, particularly those in the
religion thread, is outta control. Enormous amounts of text are being
qouted, and then, of course, the response is lengthy as well. I honestly
don't know where people find the time to write so much...and I know that
I don't have time to read all of it, and I have a feeling that I am not
alone in that.
I appreciate all the help that I have received from these ngs, and I
appreciate the friends that I have made in this particular ng. Without
a Sysop like Ben tho, we are going to have learn how to control
ourselves (and exercise that control!) and be considerate of others.
:)
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> what _should_ be discussed in .non-technical?
--
Michelle Kinderknecht
Valley Hope Association
<For success in emailing me, please remove "remove-this".>
Michelle Kinderknecht
read was Don Quixote. But I -did- read it in Spanish! ;)
"Rodolfo M. Raya" wrote:
> Robert reads Machado, you read Borges. I never thought my mom was right when
> she told me that Spanish literature is the most read one. I should apologize
> next weekend. :)
>
> Rodolfo
Michelle Kinderknecht
Javier wrote:
> >I never read Spanish literature before Machado here, if that helps. <grin>
> >
>
> Not even "El Quijote"??... Shame on you!! :-))
>
> Javier
--
Michelle Kinderknecht
"Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)" wrote:
> Everybody needs to get their nits picked every now and then... <g>
> Ouch, I thought that I was providing some useful content over there. I
> guess not?
I find that hard to believe....
> This isn't too bad, but what makes you think that people will see the C++
> or pascal in the name, when they can't seem to see the cppbuilder or
> delphi in the names now?
Good point.
> I do
> not know what ever came of his work in that area before he was "released"
> in the last major reduction in employees...
Does anyone know if he's coming back? I thought I remembered reading
somewhere that Inprise thought the layoffs were too much and planned to
hire back soon? I haven't heard from him in awhile.
Michelle Kinderknecht
is raised. I checked throughout the day, and although I was a little
irked that I couldn't get through, I just chilled out, and *bingo!* this
morning downloaded 300 new messages...just gotta love that! ;)
Matzerath The Wolf wrote:
>
> I just got one thing I want to see changed...
> I tryed to log from 8:30 this morning to exactly now and finnally got
> thru.
> I'm reallllly tired of this newsgroup not responding thing...
> THATS what I want changed.....
>
> Matzerath The Wolf...
--
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Javier <fjpp*REMOVE_FOR_MAIL*@softhome.net> wrote:
>
>D. Jeff Rhodes escribió en mensaje <7f1pat$g0...@forums.borland.com>...
>>apologize
>>> next weekend. :)
>>
>>
>
>
>Not even "El Quijote"??... Shame on you!! :-))
Don Quixote, is the English name. :)
And then there's El Cid ...
i've refrained from reading both on the grounds that I want to wait
a year or 5 until I can read them in spanish. :)
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Michelle Kinderknecht <mkin...@remove-this.valleyhope.com> wrote:
>I think, from previous experience in this type of "sub-classing", that
>it is very difficult to decide what should or should not be in non-tech
>but in a chat forum.
And redirecting discussions can be painful, if it's doable
at all. :)
> 1. If an "on-topic" thread become decidely off-topic, we should change
>the subject header to reflect such. Then those that don't want to
that's fair. :)
> 2. The length of the messages lately, particularly those in the
>religion thread, is outta control. Enormous amounts of text are being
>qouted, and then, of course, the response is lengthy as well. I honestly
>don't know where people find the time to write so much...and I know that
>I don't have time to read all of it, and I have a feeling that I am not
>alone in that.
I read and write quickly. Most of my newsgroup posting is done
while I'm waiting for something to compile and/or finish running.
>a Sysop like Ben tho, we are going to have learn how to control
>ourselves (and exercise that control!) and be considerate of others.
Absolutely. :)
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Rodolfo M. Raya <mxpr...@cpsarg.com> wrote:
><aph...@shausle3.inprise.com> wrote in message
>news:7f0r02$1ob$1...@shausle3.inprise.com...
>
>> I'm supposed to write a program to do this, but it
>> keeps getting pushed down on my priority list.
>
>I wonder what language/tool you would select to write that program. Does VB
>have any chance? :)
Delphi.
Before 4 months ago I would have done it in BCB, but some things
are just _easier_ in Delphi.
D. Jeff Rhodes
Is that the same Don Quijote that tilted at windmills? I associated him with
Holland when I was too young to know the difference between Spanish and
Dutch. Anyway, if that is a short children's book, or is read to children,
then I think I may have read or heard at least part of it....maybe. <grin>
I've never seen it in my adult memory though... Oh well, I'm ashamed then.
;-)
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
Rub it in! <sigh>
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
> a year or 5 until I can read them in spanish. :)
That's a clever excuse. <grin> No one will remember to ask you in 5 years.
;-)
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
Well that's just dandy! I've been outdone by an Oki! ;-) Don't you know
that you inlanders are not supposed to be sophistocated like us coastal
peoples? You are not playing by the rulz here. <grin>
Jeff
--
As long as you are stabbing me in the gut, you might as well twist the blade
too. <tapping fingers>
D. Jeff Rhodes
> while I'm waiting for something to compile and/or finish running.
Same here. Also, I need a mini-vacation from time to time, like when I'm
eating lunch or dinner. The newsgroup is very available for this. That in
itself might explain a lot of my typos, bad grammar, and bad spelling! ;-)
I have other things to get back to!
Jeff
Michelle Kinderknecht
Oh, and I was in High School at the time...taking Spanish (presumably
Castillian(?) for the 4th year. :) Then we had to make some art form
depicting the characters. I carved them out of bars of soap. Kept them
for quite awhile too, but they got brittle and blew away to dust....
--
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> i've refrained from reading both on the grounds that I want to wait
> a year or 5 until I can read them in spanish. :)
>
Freud wrote a comment on the Spanish translation of his complete works
that he learned Spanish in order to read Cervantes. See, you already are
in excellent company. :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> I read and write quickly. Most of my newsgroup posting is done
> while I'm waiting for something to compile and/or finish running.
>
I can't help but imagine the amount of code this implies... :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
"D. Jeff Rhodes" wrote:
> Also, I need a mini-vacation from time to time, like when I'm
> eating lunch or dinner. The newsgroup is very available for this.
>
Watch out for crumbs and soft drinks on the keyboard. :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
"Rodolfo M. Raya" wrote:
> Robert reads Machado, you read Borges. I never thought my mom was right when
> she told me that Spanish literature is the most read one. I should apologize
> next weekend. :)
>
We're too close for this being such a surprise. And I also like Cortazar
a lot. :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
Rob Allen wrote:
> What about humurous asides? would they be banned on .non-tech if a .chat
> exists?
>
What kind of non-tech is acceptable and what is not? I think aphrael
pretty much summed it up.
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
"Bill D. Pirkle" wrote:
> Your point, of course, is how to define "far enough". That's a tough
> one.
>
Actually we don't. We make the rules as we go by. "Camiñante no hay
camiño..."
Ken
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Hmm. Well, the stuff that i'm waiting for compilation on,
most of it isn't mine [small part, large project.]
The stuff that i'm waiting for to run is mostly test
automation, and that _is_ mine ... but it takes forever
by design.
D. Jeff Rhodes
Ouch, ooch, youch! Yoawee! That really smarted. :-( Does anyone have a
Bandaid? :-)
> Oh, and I was in High School at the time...taking Spanish (presumably
> Castillian(?) for the 4th year. :) Then we had to make some art form
> depicting the characters. I carved them out of bars of soap. Kept them
> for quite awhile too, but they got brittle and blew away to dust....
And your memory of Spanish fled to the winds along with the figurine
dust...how poetic...
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
Thanks Mom! :-)
Jeff
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
Javier wrote:
> Don't know what the question mark stands for... the language name is
> "spanish", as the country is spain :-))
>
Some guys in Catalunia might not think the same way, for instance... :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
Javier wrote:
> typo?? or intentional? (I mean, it's quite a shock for me to find an "ñ" in
> this ng, specially if it's not a typo in one of my post :-))......
> thanks!!!))
>
It is intentional, why would it not be?
I have some spare ã's and õ's for you too, if you wish... :)
Ken
D. Jeff Rhodes
LOL !
Didn't ya know that prolific coders make prolific writers? :-)
Jeff
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
"D. Jeff Rhodes" wrote:
> > Watch out for crumbs and soft drinks on the keyboard. :)
> Thanks Mom! :-)
>
Now comb your hair and close that shirt button.
Atta boy... :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
> The stuff that i'm waiting for to run is mostly test
> automation, and that _is_ mine ... but it takes forever
> by design.
>
As long as you don't make it this way just in order to have time to read
the groups... :)
Ken
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr.
Javier wrote:
> Javier (whose first "hello world" got at least 500 builds!! ;-))
>
Ah, the youth... :)
Ken
Rodolfo M. Raya
message news:371514AA.F984E035@invert_order.br.com.unisys...
> We're too close for this being such a surprise. And I also like Cortazar
> a lot. :)
You are gonna kill me! :)
Rodolfo
--
MAXPROGRAMS
Member of IBM Solution Developer Program
mxpr...@cpsarg.com
http://www.maxprograms.com
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
No, here's an example:
import ~80-100 activex controls.
compile them each 50-70 different times depending on
what the compiler define is.
analyze the results.
usually i try to do have my computer do this while i'm not here.
but when i'm trying to debug it ...
D. Jeff Rhodes
Well, I'm glad to finally get that straight after 30 years of confusion!
>in spain we do have windmills, too :-))... And I
Cool! :-) I really think my next leisure trip will be to Spain and
Portuagal.
> wouldn't class one of the masterpieces of universal literature as a
> "children's book", althoung the story and the plot is interesting enough
> that it can be told to children :-))))
Well, think the story was read on educational TV while an artist drew
pictures to the story. This is the TV program that the elementary schools
often show in the class room.
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
> >Oh, and I was in High School at the time...taking Spanish (presumably
> >Castillian(?) for the 4th year. :) Then we had to make some art form
> Don't know what the question mark stands for... the language name is
> "spanish", as the country is spain :-))
Didn't Castillian Spanish come from the island-state of Rhodes in the
<scissors>
Mediteranean. Wasn't its population transplanted from ancient Israel?
Weren't these people snatched from the island by or fled Hitler and Musolini
during WWII. Didn't Castillian Spanish become modern Spanish? I could be
wrong about some of this, because I pieced it together from bits and pieces
from various sources.
Jeff
--
I hate being absent-minded. Where did I put those scissors?
D. Jeff Rhodes
> Atta boy... :)
Gee Ken, you are a better mommy than my mommy! Have you considered a change
of career? I hear it's a tough job, but someone has to do it. :-)
Jeff
D. Jeff Rhodes
Is HelloWorld version 500.0 a pretty stable version? I hope it does not
suffer featuritis and code-bloat!
Jeff
Javier
Michelle Kinderknecht escribió en mensaje
<3714A71F...@valleyhope.com>...
>Whoo-hoo! Got that one covered!!! ;)
Good for you!! :-))
Javier
>
>Javier wrote:
>
>> >I never read Spanish literature before Machado here, if that helps.
<grin>
>> >
>>
>> Not even "El Quijote"??... Shame on you!! :-))
>>
>> Javier
Javier
D. Jeff Rhodes escribió en mensaje <7f2smb$gt...@forums.borland.com>...
>> Whoo-hoo! Got that one covered!!! ;)
>
Well... you've got the answer awaiting for you in the bookstore! :-))
Javier
Javier
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com escribió en mensaje
<7f2i6r$366$1...@shausle3.inprise.com>...
>In article <7f21hb$g0...@forums.borland.com>,
>Javier <fjpp*REMOVE_FOR_MAIL*@softhome.net> wrote:
>>
>>D. Jeff Rhodes escribió en mensaje <7f1pat$g0...@forums.borland.com>...
>>>> she told me that Spanish literature is the most read one. I should
>>>apologize
>>>> next weekend. :)
>>>
<grin>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Not even "El Quijote"??... Shame on you!! :-))
>
>And then there's El Cid ...
>
>i've refrained from reading both on the grounds that I want to wait
>a year or 5 until I can read them in spanish. :)
>
Well... I'll tell you something: they're not an easy read "in the original
form"; Spanish students (sadly, most of them read El Quijote only because
they're made to, in school) sometimes find it a little hard to tackle; I
guess it's a bit like reading Shakespeare in English: you migh be fluent in
"modern" English, but 16th. century english in harder :-))
In any case, it's a good goal to aim to :-))
Javier
Javier
D. Jeff Rhodes escribió en mensaje <7f2sm9$gt...@forums.borland.com>...
>> Not even "El Quijote"??... Shame on you!! :-))
>
with
>Holland when I was too young to know the difference between Spanish and
>Dutch. Anyway, if that is a short children's book, or is read to children,
>then I think I may have read or heard at least part of it....maybe. <grin>
>I've never seen it in my adult memory though... Oh well, I'm ashamed then.
>;-)
Yes, it's the same.... in spain we do have windmills, too :-))... And I
wouldn't class one of the masterpieces of universal literature as a
"children's book", althoung the story and the plot is interesting enough
that it can be told to children :-))))
Javier
Javier
Michelle Kinderknecht escribió en mensaje
>I am chagrined to admit that the only Spanish literature I have ever
>read was Don Quixote. But I -did- read it in Spanish! ;)
Didn't know you spoke spanish!!! :-)))))))
But is't a pity to leave your spanish skills to rust... read on.. If you
like the classics, I'd suggest "El Lazarillo de Tormes", or "La vida de un
buscón llamado Pablos", by Quevedo, though probably Rodolfo could be more of
a help here :-))
Javier
>"Rodolfo M. Raya" wrote:
>
>> Robert reads Machado, you read Borges. I never thought my mom was right
when
>> she told me that Spanish literature is the most read one. I should
apologize
>> next weekend. :)
>>
>> Rodolfo
Javier
Michelle Kinderknecht escribió en mensaje
>twist, turn, twist, turn, twist....
>
>Castillian(?) for the 4th year. :) Then we had to make some art form
Don't know what the question mark stands for... the language name is
"spanish", as the country is spain :-))
>depicting the characters. I carved them out of bars of soap. Kept them
>for quite awhile too, but they got brittle and blew away to dust....
Such a pity ...
Javier
Javier
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr. escribió en mensaje
<3715144C.7B43F3E5@invert_order.br.com.unisys>...
>
>
>aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
>> I read and write quickly. Most of my newsgroup posting is done
>> while I'm waiting for something to compile and/or finish running.
>>
Maybe.. the amount of re-compiling????... I mean, if you hit "run" after
every new line :-))))
Javier
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr. escribió en mensaje
typo?? or intentional? (I mean, it's quite a shock for me to find an "ñ" in
this ng, specially if it's not a typo in one of my post :-))......
thanks!!!))
Javier
Javier
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com escribió en mensaje
<7f2jd5$399$1...@shausle3.inprise.com>...
>In article <7f12oo$f3...@forums.borland.com>,
>Rodolfo M. Raya <mxpr...@cpsarg.com> wrote:
>><aph...@shausle3.inprise.com> wrote in message
>>news:7f0r02$1ob$1...@shausle3.inprise.com...
>>
>>> I'm supposed to write a program to do this, but it
>>> keeps getting pushed down on my priority list.
>>
>>I wonder what language/tool you would select to write that program. Does
VB
>>have any chance? :)
>
>Delphi.
>
>Before 4 months ago I would have done it in BCB, but some things
>are just _easier_ in Delphi.
Aaarghh!:.. another one lost to the evil beginenders!!
(I might have to dust off my pascal and give a long look at Delphi!! :-)))
Javier
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
patel) wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:28:21 -0300, "Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr."
><kcamargo@invert_order.br.com.unisys> wrote:
>
>>Nice to know that. If he's reading this NG or if someone can forward
>>this to him, tell Jim I sent him my best wishes...
>>
>Same feelings here.
>Gerard
Well, I have exchanged a few emails with him recently and he is beginning
to get back into the swing of things with working. He has been reading the
newsgroups as time permits, but I wouldn't really blame him for avoiding
them to some extent (apparently he was "working" in the news groups when it
happened last Thanksgiving)... I do not remember if he reads the non-tech
group or not...
The next time I communicate with him I will make sure that he is aware of
your wishes for his health...
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
--
Jerry Bloomfield Jers...@wwa.com
Proud Member of Borland's TeamB
"We'll do anything if you don't pay us."
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
>Anyway, I've never seen you not provide useful content, but since hardly
>anyone posts to builder.database.multier and
>builder.database.sqlservers, you haven't really had the opportunity to
>show your stuff. :)
You had several good point (some of which were snipped to reduce quoting).
I will be one of the first people to step up and say "I am not a database
person", I have just had to do a bit of work in that area over the last
year or so... Most of what I have to post on over there is what I have
learned in the last 18-22 months, since I started using Builder. One of
the reasons yo don't see too much from me on those groups is because I
don't have much experience in those areas either...
>I also think it would help if Borland would automagically post the
>newsgroup guidelines on a regular basis, say twice a month or once a
>week. I've suggested this before.
This topic has come up recently, but you start running into issues on this
subject. First off, which groups should the guidelines be posted to? Not
everyone reads every group, and many people do not read this group
(non-technical) or the announce group. If they are posted to all groups,
then you have the problem that the posting of the guidelines is in
violation f those very guidelines (cross-post or multi-post).
Additionally, the frequency can become a similar issue.
There is no "solution" to the problem, because there will always be the
people who show-up, and post their questions asking for the responses to
be emailed back to them and never again show-up here until they *need*
another answer. As you have already hinted, there are things which can be
done which might reduce some of the problems, and we should really examine
the suggestions to see which ones make sense, especially if the hints
dropped here earlier about the possibility of a new news server have any
reality behind them... (mentioned by Robert West in the thread about
Mark's or Stefan's becoming a TeamB member)
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
>I should clarify that I was talking *only* about the *database*
>newsgroups, and especially about the database.multitier and
>database.sqlservers groups. (I agree that .desktop should probably be
>kept separate, and I don't read it anyway, so I'm not really in a
>position to comment). There's very little traffic on the Builder side on
>this two groups, and I've yet to see much of anything on the Delphi side
>of these two groups that is Pascal-specific.
Well, here is an odd thought (from an odd person <g>)...
If I am reading the messages properly, maybe what we really need is a new
group (or group of groups) to cover the "hidden products" like the BDE, SQL
Links, Visibroker, Midas, etc. This way we could cover Linda's concerns
and actually leverage some of the excellent knowledge in both groups (BCB
and Delphi). I know that if we do anything like this we are more likely to
have higher rates of language specific questions asked in a general group,
but we have those problems now...
Hmmm, this may have some merit, How about if we start a new discussion
thread on this so we can refine the idea a little more, and maybe get some
new newsgroups created...
Jerry Bloomfield (TeamB)
<kcamargo@invert_order.br.com.unisys> wrote:
>aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
>> Ben did it pretty regularly, but since he's gone ...
>
>Have you heard of him lately?
IIRC, he took a job with another firm (as have several of the other
"former" Borlanders who were, as they say "20 percenters").
JLR
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com die volgende te sê gehad ...
>
> what _should_ be discussed in .non-technical?
Anything that gets discussed in .non-technical, should.
I'm all for reorganising the newsgroups, if it will save me time and let
me see more of more relevant messages in the more 'serious' ng's, but
.non-technical is the wrong target for reorganisation.
Non-tech has been compared to the chatter that goes on around the water
cooler or coffee machine in an office. We all know it: 90% nonsense, but
always firmly rooted in shoptalk. We also know what that momentary
distraction can be worth in terms of generating brainwaves, getting your
mind out of a rut, stimulating lateral thought, releasing tension,
refreshing thought, or just plain peer interaction.
I work alone. Non-tech is my water cooler. You are as colleagues to me. I
expect irrelevant topics here. They usually evolve out of more serious
topics, just like real conversations, and I don't mind the serious topics
either. If and when I see something way, way weird and off topic, I'm
still interested, because if one of you thinks its important enough to
post about, I'm willing to at least give it a look. Just like I'm not
obliged to join any conversation at the water cooler, I'm free to then
kill the thread, or not. Nobody forces me to read anything I'm not
interested in.
Non-tech has a purpose. I think it works just fine. It has just the
right mix of shoptalk, irrelevance and humour. I won't subscribe to a
'chat' group, since, by definition, that would be completely irrelevant
and a waste of time.
What happens to companies where talking at the water cooler is frowned
upon? Anybody know?
___
Johan le Riche (JLR)
Bfn.
gerard patel
(TeamB)) wrote:
<snip>
>Well, I have exchanged a few emails with him recently and he is beginning
>to get back into the swing of things with working. He has been reading the
>newsgroups as time permits, but I wouldn't really blame him for avoiding
>them to some extent (apparently he was "working" in the news groups when it
>happened last Thanksgiving)... I do not remember if he reads the non-tech
>group or not...
>
>The next time I communicate with him I will make sure that he is aware of
>your wishes for his health...
>
Nobody would want to bore someone in this situation with
tons of personal email, so thanks for forwarding Ken's and mine
(and I am sure every user of these ng) to him.
Lot of people recover very well. One of my uncles has, he still
drives his car even if he has to be a bit careful (well, it's better
anyway since he is now 73 years old)
Gerard
aph...@shausle3.inprise.com
Kenneth R. de Camargo Jr. <kcamargo@invert_order.br.com.unisys> wrote:
>
>
>aph...@shausle3.inprise.com wrote:
>> Ben did it pretty regularly, but since he's gone ...
>>
>Have you heard of him lately?
Unfortunately, no; Lorie probably has, tho.
Javier
D. Jeff Rhodes escribió en mensaje <7f3orj$h8...@forums.borland.com>...
>> Yes, it's the same....
>
>
>
>Portuagal.
Do so: you'll really enjoy it :-))))
>> wouldn't class one of the masterpieces of universal literature as a
>> "children's book", althoung the story and the plot is interesting enough
>> that it can be told to children :-))))
>
>Well, think the story was read on educational TV while an artist drew
>pictures to the story. This is the TV program that the elementary schools
>often show in the class room.
Quite likely: the story is engagin enough, and the images of attacking the
windmill is visually powerful; just the kind of thing for the children to
enjoy :-))
Javier