Rolling back from β58 to β54

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Guy

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Mar 20, 2010, 6:48:38 PM3/20/10
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Up until the release of β58 I'd been using β54. I've been trying β58
since it's release but decided to go back to β54 today. Previously I
could swap betwixt β54 & β57 without having to change any of the
various library files, but β58 must have introduced something that
doesn't play nice with β54 as quicksilver was unresponsive once it had
opened. The catalogue was completely empty and no interface appeared
when I tried to invoke QS.

I managed to get it working again by delving into my time machine
backups to replace all the library folders but I thought I'd just
forewarn anyone who might be in a similar position.

For some reason I can't open the triggers preference panel in β54 if I
have more than zero triggers set, so for the time being I'll be
keeping a copy of β57 zipped up close to hand.

Paul Kohut

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Mar 21, 2010, 1:34:04 AM3/21/10
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Which features of B54 are missing or work better than in B58?

Thanks,
Paul

Guy

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Mar 21, 2010, 4:17:31 AM3/21/10
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The first thing is I can't drill down when I've got Mail in the first
box to get inbox, out etc and secondly I keep the shelf and clipboard
tucked away at the bottom of the screen and they don't show when I
mouse down to the edge of the screen, something I seem to do quite a
lot when commenting here in particular as I have a 'β' shelved. I've
set triggers for both but i prefer it when they just pop out.

Also I was getting crashes occasionally with β58 which I didn't bother
looking into as I knew I could go back to β54 easily. I've lost all
the console reports now I'm afraid as I've just run Onyx.

Also QS just seems to be a lot snappier with β54 for me. Though I'm
not 100% sure that's the case or just my imagination.

Guy.

Guy

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Mar 21, 2010, 4:29:53 AM3/21/10
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Just noticed my beta's are coming out as beta's at the other end.
Think I'll stick to B54, B58 etc in future. Serves me right for trying
to be be clever I guess.

On Mar 21, 8:17 am, Guy <hevns2be...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> The first thing is I can't drill down when I've got Mail in the first
> box to get inbox, out etc and secondly I keep the shelf and clipboard
> tucked away at the bottom of the screen and they don't show when I
> mouse down to the edge of the screen, something I seem to do quite a

> lot when commenting here in particular as I have a 'â' shelved. I've


> set triggers for both but i prefer it when they just pop out.
>

> Also I was getting crashes occasionally with â58 which I didn't bother
> looking into as I knew I could go back to â54 easily. I've lost all


> the console reports now I'm afraid as I've just run Onyx.
>

> Also QS just seems to be a lot snappier with  â54 for me. Though I'm

Paul Kohut

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Mar 21, 2010, 9:04:29 AM3/21/10
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Thanks for the feedback.

bwynants

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Mar 22, 2010, 7:00:19 AM3/22/10
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In the past one could drop a file on an app that was selected in QS.
The drag would turn into "Open With..."

This does not work anymore. The drag says: 'Select'

This was a handy way to open text documents that where matched with a
wrong application....

Kind regards,
Bert

On Mar 21, 2:04 pm, Paul Kohut <pkoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback.

Patrick Robertson

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Mar 22, 2010, 7:09:14 AM3/22/10
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This still works for me under b58.

e.g. get up TextEdit in the first pane and drop a html file onto it and it'll open in TextEdit

The only thing I can see in Howard's manual that might be a problem is the TextMate ranker plugin - do you have it enabled?

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bwynants

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Mar 22, 2010, 8:09:15 AM3/22/10
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yeah indeed, i'm sorry it was related to the 'showcase' command
interface. I must drop it on the correct spot, not on the big app
icon...

Thanks
a happy user

On Mar 22, 12:09 pm, Patrick Robertson <robertson.patr...@gmail.com>
wrote:


> This still works for me under b58.
>
> e.g. get up TextEdit in the first pane and drop a html file onto it and
> it'll open in TextEdit
>
> The only thing I can see in Howard's manual that might be a problem is the
> TextMate ranker plugin - do you have it enabled?
>

Rob McBroom

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Mar 22, 2010, 9:28:14 AM3/22/10
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On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Paul Kohut wrote:

> Which features of B54 are missing or work better than in B58?

Proxy Objects.

The only detail I can provide can be found under issue #8. I know I’ve seen other rumblings about proxy objects, but I can’t elaborate because issue 8 keeps me from using it for more than a few minutes.

--
Rob McBroom
<http://www.skurfer.com/>

Paul Kohut

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Mar 23, 2010, 1:48:09 AM3/23/10
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Just looked at issue 8 and now remember seeing what you describe back
when I was getting familiar with the QS code. I'll make looking into
this a priority. IIRC, it had something to do with the command/action/
paste board stuff. Will keep you up to date.

Rob McBroom

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Mar 23, 2010, 8:25:06 AM3/23/10
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On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:48 AM, Paul Kohut wrote:

> Just looked at issue 8 and now remember seeing what you describe back
> when I was getting familiar with the QS code. I'll make looking into
> this a priority. IIRC, it had something to do with the command/action/
> paste board stuff. Will keep you up to date.

Thanks! If you can help me with the issues building Quicksilver itself, I can probably look into it as well. If you look at the last comment I posted on there, it narrows it down some.

Paul Kohut

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Mar 23, 2010, 1:34:03 PM3/23/10
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I see that, thanks.

A couple "Source Tree" entries need to be added to XCode before you
can build QS.
XCode->Preferences->Souce Trees->'+' (plus sign)

Settings Name Display Name Path
QSFramework Quicksilver Framework /Applications/
Quicksilver.app/Contents/Frameworks
QS_SOURCE_ROOT Quicksilver source root ~/XCodeProjects/blacktree-
alchemy/Quicksilver

Apply, then build. For the very first target to build select
"Quicksilver Distribution". This just ensures that all the plugins
and extra stuff is built as well, afterwards you can just build the
Quicksilver targtet.

Initially you've been running QS from the Applications directory, make
sure you've quit QS before running from XCode. When running QS from
XCode for the first time it may quit on its own and a debug message
says "Debugger stopped". Just hit "Build and Debug" again. This time
you might see 2 instances of QS (I run it from the menu bar and I'll
see 2 QS icons), quit both of these. Then finally hit "Build and
debug" again, everything should be fine. You won't have to deal with
that again until you run QS normally from the Applications directory.

QS build files are located in
/tmp/QS/build/Debug
/tmp/QS/build/Release

Paul Kohut

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Mar 23, 2010, 1:41:23 PM3/23/10
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Also, all the setting to build QS are contained in xcconfig files in
~/XCodeProjects/blacktree-alchemy/Quicksilver/Configuration
This means project, target, and plugin settings are all controlled
from these files. The need to change anything in these is rare.

(adjust directory to suit where you've installed the QS source code)

Rob McBroom

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Mar 23, 2010, 1:54:02 PM3/23/10
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On Mar 23, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Paul Kohut wrote:

> A couple "Source Tree" entries need to be added to XCode before you
> can build QS.

I had those defined. Thanks.

> Apply, then build. For the very first target to build select
> "Quicksilver Distribution". This just ensures that all the plugins
> and extra stuff is built as well, afterwards you can just build the
> Quicksilver targtet.

This is probably what I was missing.

> QS build files are located in
> /tmp/QS/build/Debug
> /tmp/QS/build/Release

Yeah, I’ve built it there a few times, but only because some of the plug-ins expect it to be there when you build them. I wasn’t actually running it.

I notice Etienne’s instructions say it will overwrite the version in /Applications, but in my experience, it usually goes into /tmp. The only time it’s gone into /Applications was when I tried building individual targets in a certain order the other day. Any idea what affects this behavior?

Rob McBroom

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Mar 23, 2010, 3:22:18 PM3/23/10
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On Mar 23, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Rob McBroom wrote:

> If you look at the last comment I posted on there, it narrows it down some.

After getting Quicksilver to build with some changes for testing purposes, I was able to narrow it down even further. See the new comment.

Paul Kohut

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Mar 23, 2010, 3:34:04 PM3/23/10
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> I notice Etienne’s instructions say it will overwrite the version in /Applications, but in my experience, it usually goes into /tmp. The only time it’s gone into /Applications was when I tried building individual targets in a certain order the other day. Any idea what affects this behavior?

For sure the release distribution build will be copied to /
Applications

Do a get info on "Quicksilver Distribution->install". The run script
when installing is checked. The project setting SKIP_INSTALL effects
that script.

bwynants

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Mar 24, 2010, 3:43:22 AM3/24/10
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It seems like the fast logout 'extra' script doesn't work anymore?

bwynants

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Mar 24, 2010, 3:48:32 AM3/24/10
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It does seems to work when I do a chmod +x on the script, this was not
needed in previous versions?
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