Datasets not caltaloged
João Luís Matos Carvalho (DSI)
Can someone help how to search uncataloged Datasets belonging to a USER ?
Atenciosamente,
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Can someone help how to search uncataloged Datasets belonging to a USER ?
If you have a small number of nonSMS volume(s), then you could use PDF3.4
and specify a VOLSER and the user's ID. Or you could run DCOLLECT against
the volume(s) and then do a PDF browse search of the 'D' records.
Jack Kelly
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Specify TYPRUN=NORUN so the listing is the only result.
Limit the search to specific volumes.
Select datasets by high level qualifier or with wildcards.
Limit the selection to datasets not cataloged on the volume where found.
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From: João Luís Matos Carvalho (DSI)
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:56 AM
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Subject: Datasets not caltaloged
Hello list,
Can someone help how to search uncataloged Datasets belonging to a USER ?
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Ulrich Krueger
Allow me to summarize and expand ...
To create a list of uncataloged disk datasets, you need a VTOC - search and
report tool.
AFAIK, there are the following batch tools:
1) IBM DFDSS: PGM=ADRDSSU with PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN' and appropriate SYSIN
keywords selecting the datasets you're looking for
2) FDR: the report generating component of FDR lets you generate the desired
report
3) CA - ASM2: the RSVP report generator (also available as a stand-alone
product, CA-RSVP)
4) CBT-tape: a VTOC list / report program with functions similar to RSVP
At least one of these tools should be available at your shop. And each of
these tools has the ability to also scratch these uncataloged datasets, if
you so desire.
There probably are other methods using ISPF 3.4 and/or ISMF functions, but
you'll have to experiment and I'm not sure if this could be turned into a
batch job suitable for regular, repeated usage.
HTH
Regards,
Ulrich Krueger
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Hello list,
Can someone help how to search uncataloged Datasets belonging to a USER ?
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Lizette Koehler
Are these data sets that include a TSO ID in the name like TSOID.MY.CNTL? Or is the request different?
Are you looking to find data sets that belong to a user because the user has RACF access to them?
Lizette
Rick Woods
>>> "James Vaneck" <jam...@ABSA.CO.ZA> 9/23/2008 7:36 AM >>>
Tom Sims
the DCOLLECT rexxes on Virtual File #206 at cbttape.org.
Tom Sims
Ulrich Krueger wrote:
> 4) CBT-tape: a VTOC list / report program with functions similar to RSVP
> At least one of these tools should be available at your shop. And each of
> these tools has the ability to also scratch these uncataloged datasets, if
> you so desire.
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João Luís Matos Carvalho (DSI)
Atenciosamente,
João Carvalho
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Lizette Koehler
for either IBMMAIN or RACF newsgroups. There is also an ACF2 newsgroup if
you use that for your security product.
You want to know all data sets not cataloged that were created by TSOID.
Do you have products:
MXG and SAS
DFDSS
With MXG and SAS you can use a DCOLLECT output and find some of these
answers.
With DFDSS you can run a scan (PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN') with control cards that
will display all NOT CATALOGED datasets. Then you could filter that list on
the TSOID. You would probably also need to have some process that could
access your SAF (RACF, TSS, or ACF2) if the user had ALTER authority.
If you use RACF, you can join the RACF Newsgroup and see if there are any
RACF records you could use for this process.
Lizette
>
> I want to know, before I delete the user from RACF, if he has any
> uncataloged datasets, and it may have datasets with the prefix TSOID.**
> or others that he have permission
>
> Atenciosamente,
> João Carvalho
Rick Woods
allow uncataloged datasets.
Or:
ISPF option 3.4 will pick up uncataloged datasets if you enter your
search like this:
Enter one or both of the parameters below:
Dsname Level . . . USERID.*
Volume serial . . *
It does a VTOC search when you put the "*" in the volser field. I'm not
sure about the program call that's being issued to do this, but you
should be able to find it and use it in your exec.
- Rick
>>> João Luís Matos Carvalho (DSI)
<joao.mato...@CAIXASEGUROS.PT> 9/24/2008 1:33 AM >>>
Gilbert Cardenas
that is not 100%. Although I don't know why it happens exactly but
occasionally I do run across problems with duplicate datasets. One
uncataloged and one cataloged.
I like others us DSS to search volumes but that's a pain too cause
you have to specify which volumes you want to scan :
// EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,
// PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN,UTILMSG=YES'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//INVOL DD UNIT=DISK,VOL=SER=??????,DISP=SHR
//DSNOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN DD *
DUMP INDDNAME(INVOL) OUTDD(DSNOUT) -
DATASET(INCLUDE(OPERID.**) -
EXCLUDE(SYS1.**) -
BY((CATLG,EQ,NO)))
I was not aware that you could wildcard a volume serial in a
dslist search. Thanks for that tidbit of info.
Regards,
Gil.
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Hi-level was deleted without deleting the files under that Hi-level--the
problem can happen in SMS & non-SMS. If a volume is SMS managed, it's not as
easy to have uncataloged files.
Specifying a generic volser could cause problems by tying up the catalog
address space since it has to search every volume on your shop for whatever
hi-level you looking for.
The easiest way to find uncataloged files is to use a utility like Catalog
Solutions or Trexx; they have job samples in their manuals for this sort of
thing.
> >>> Jo�o Lu�s Matos Carvalho (DSI)
> <joao.mato...@CAIXASEGUROS.PT> 9/24/2008 1:33 AM >>>
> I want to know, before I delete the user from RACF, if he has any
> uncataloged datasets, and it may have datasets with the prefix TSOID.**
> or others that he have permission.
>
> Atenciosamente,
> Jo�o Carvalho
>
>
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Rick Woods
Are you sure about tying up the CAS? That's the whole point - to bypass
the catalogs and go to the VTOCs.
- Rick
>>> "Hervey Martinez" <elyaq...@GMAIL.COM> 9/24/2008 1:27 PM >>>
> >>> João Luís Matos Carvalho (DSI)
> <joao.mato...@CAIXASEGUROS.PT> 9/24/2008 1:33 AM >>>
> I want to know, before I delete the user from RACF, if he has any
> uncataloged datasets, and it may have datasets with the prefix
TSOID.**
> or others that he have permission.
>
> Atenciosamente,
> João Carvalho
>
>
>
> DSI-DSTS-DST-TAG
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> (Thomas Dewar)
>
> P Antes de imprimir este e-mail pense bem se tem mesmo que o fazer.
Há
> cada vez menos árvores
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>
Hervey Martinez
to check every entry in the VTOC to the "hi-level".
It's possible that there is enough horsepower in your shop to not have this
sort of problem; but when dealing with a generic entry; then you are talking
about a lot of machine cycles to look through every volume that matches your
generic entry.
It's best to do this with groups of volumes and tackle a few at a time;
especially, if you're talking about a file under a TSO id, normally these
allocations are restricted to a few volumes and you can search on those few.
Gilbert Cardenas
VTOC program (from CBT 112) via ISMF. I wanted to see the contents of a
volume in a storage pool after performing a LISTVOL on that pool. That
way I could see if all my QUINEW volumes were empty so I could delete them
from the pool. The VTOC module gave me what I was looking for. It is
very flexible and allows you to scan a volume or volumes by dataset if
desired and can return whether it is cataloged or not. I agree that you
don't want to do too many at a time but if your talking about a few
volumes, it should be doable.
Regards,
Gil.
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Of Hervey Martinez
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Yes, if you specify a hi-level, this has to be in a catalog and it will
have
to check every entry in the VTOC to the "hi-level".
It's possible that there is enough horsepower in your shop to not have
this
sort of problem; but when dealing with a generic entry; then you are
talking
about a lot of machine cycles to look through every volume that matches
your
generic entry.
It's best to do this with groups of volumes and tackle a few at a time;
especially, if you're talking about a file under a TSO id, normally
these
allocations are restricted to a few volumes and you can search on those
few.
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