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Daniel Rutter  
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 More options Dec 5 1999, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.skeptic, bit.listserv.sganet
From: skep...@efn.org (Daniel Rutter)
Date: 1999/12/05
Subject: Re: Out of Body Experience
At 23:50 4/12/99 -0500, John M Price, PhD wrote:

>Garison Hilliard started a few threads on alt.out-of-body newsgroup.

>It's been pretty interesting, and especially some of the apparent anger
at
>the questions.

>Please feel free to visit the place, or at least review it through
>dejanews.

For those who haven't had time to review the discussion (there are a few
hundred relevant messages), allow me to condense it:

Garrison: Please provide evidence that Out Of Body Experiences are
anything
other than delusions, hallucinations, or outright lies.

Someone Else: Hey, man, try it for yourself, you'll see!

G: I have. I didn't see anything.

SE: Well, we don't need to either, then!

G: Huh?

SE: You can't prove you like having orgasms, so we don't have to prove
nothin'!

G: <scratches head> Uh, well, gee...

SE: ACUPUNCTURE IS REAL! VISIT MY SITE!

John Stone: Naff off.

SE: OOBEs are a parallel reality, different from ours.

G: How's that different from a hallucination?

SE: Kirlian photography shows they're real!

G: Oh, give me a break.

SE: Get fucked!

G: Eh?

SE: You're doing the work of Satan, you know!

G: Pardon?

SE: <WEBTVHTMLBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH><font color=mediumslategreen>Let's</font>
<font color=puce>ignore</font>
<I><U><B><STRONG><BIG><BIG><BIG><BIG>Garrison.</BIG></BIG></BIG></BIG></STR O
NG></B></U></I><BLINK>He's</BLINK><FONT SIZE=18237>rude.</FONT><EMBED
sig_with_a_midi_file_in_it></WEBTVHTMLBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH>

SE: I agree.

SE: Me too.

SE: How profound.

SE: Yes, I have killfiled that rude asshole.

SE: I always killfile anyone who flames me by asking me why I believe what
I believe.

G: I'm still heeeee-re!

SE: That's because, in your heart, you know the world is flat. Uh, no, I
mean...

SE: Photocopiers can't see colour, which explains perfectly why OOBEs
don't
let you read things you couldn't ordinarily see.

SE: That's it in a nutshell.

SE: Yup, you got it.

SE: That oughta shut him up, huh!

SE: Anyway, if we read some piece of paper in another room, that might
just
prove we're telepathic or remote viewers. It wouldn't necessarily be an
OOBE at all. So it'd be no good for anything!

G: <cough, splutter>

Barry Williams: All of this is amusing me enormously.

Someone Vaguely Sensible: Uh, doesn't Garrison kinda have a point?

SE: Does not!

SVS: Does too!

G: This isn't an argument.

John Cleese: Yes it is.

SE: Go away! Leave us alone! What do you care, anyway!

G: I'm researching OOBEs. You could make a million dollars, you know.

SE: I'm not in this for the money.

G: What, you couldn't think of ANYONE to give it to?

The Anti-Randi Marching Band: There is no money/there is too little
money/there is too much money/I want to see the money in a pile/proximity
to cash compromises my spiritual enlightenment/Randi is a powerful
anti-psi
ray emitter/Randi is a cannibal and I am afraid of him/Randi would just
say
we were never in our bodies to start with/the FBI will forcibly change my
gender if I win/I want it in Tongan Pa'angas, not US dollars/money is an
illusion/property is theft/I'm a teapot! I'm a teapot!

James Randi: Bring it on, girlymen.

SE: You're not James Randi.

SVS: Yes he is.

SE: No he isn't. See, I'll e-mail him, and... oh. Sorry.

SE: ISN'T ISN'T ISN'T ISN'T ISN'T!

SVS: OK, so minds go flying around without bodies, but James Randi can't
possibly post to a newsgroup?

SE: Ah, but there's lots of evidence that minds fly around without bodies.

G: <vein stands out on forehead> Well, if you'd care to PRESENT it...

SE: Child molester!! Look! Look! A nudie pic on Garrison's Web site! My
pubic-hairometer clearly identifies her as underage!

Various Appreciators Of The Female Form: Phwoar.

Gary Glitter: Run for your life, man.

SE: I badly misunderstand the laws of thermodynamics.

SE: T HATS NOTHING!!!!!!!! ICANT'' EVEn
typE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Various people: Standard spelling and punctuation thread #1.

SE: What's Garrison doing here, anyway?

SVS: Discussing OOBEs, just like the rest of us.

SE: He is restricting our freedom of speech! Let's complain to his ISP and
get him gagged!

SE: I so _totally_ would rather have the blue pill than the red one.

--
Daniel Rutter
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