Bookshelves under BookMangler
Rick Fochtman
manual? All I've been able to find is a PDF and I need the instruction
tables from Appendix B in an editable format.
Thanks, in advance.
Rick
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http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dz9zr002/B.0?DT=200304
24140649 work for you? (Watch out for the "fold.")
Charles
Paul Gilmartin
>Does this
> http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dz9zr002/B.0
>work for you? (Watch out for the "fold.")
>
It is kinda stale:
Title: z/Architecture Principles of Operation
Document Number: SA22-7832-02
Build Date: 04/24/03 14:06:49 Build Version: 1.3.0 of BUILD/VM Version: UG03921
DropDate: Tuesday, October 2, 2001
IBM seems determined to drop HTML support for at least this manual.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
>Of Rick Fochtman
>Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:20 PM
>
>Can someone out there point me to what bookshelf contains the PoPs
>manual? All I've been able to find is a PDF and I need the instruction
>tables from Appendix B in an editable format.
-- gil
Rick Fochtman
>On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:09:47 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>
>
>>Does this
>>http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dz9zr002/B.0
>>work for you? (Watch out for the "fold.")
>>
>>
>>
>It is kinda stale:
>
> Title: z/Architecture Principles of Operation
> Document Number: SA22-7832-02
> Build Date: 04/24/03 14:06:49 Build Version: 1.3.0 of BUILD/VM Version: UG03921
> DropDate: Tuesday, October 2, 2001
>
>IBM seems determined to drop HTML support for at least this manual.
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
>>Of Rick Fochtman
>>Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:20 PM
>>
>>Can someone out there point me to what bookshelf contains the PoPs
>>manual? All I've been able to find is a PDF and I need the instruction
>>tables from Appendix B in an editable format.
>>
>>
>
>-- gil
>
>
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Paul, both you and Charles are probably right, but I can't very well
access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM. That's why I'm asking "What
bookshelf?"
Rick
Charles Mills
I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific? You're sitting at a
PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data that you can cut
and paste into a ___ (?).
Charles
des...@verizon.net
>> I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>
> I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific? You're sitting at a
> PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data that you can cut
> and paste into a ___ (?).
Last time I needed POP in text form I used "pdftotext".
Any Linux system will have it.
Probably Cygnus too.
McKown, John
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> To: IBM-...@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
>
> > I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>
> I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific?
> You're sitting at a
> PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data
> that you can cut
> and paste into a ___ (?).
>
> Charles
Due to the way that IBM has generated the PDF, you cannot cut from it. Apparently it is an image type PDF, not a text PDF. This may explain IBM's apparent discontinuing of bookmanager books. You can cut from them. Which IBM might think contributes to possible copyright violation. So the image format PDF is a form of DRM.
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Lizette Koehler
In PDFs you can sometimes do a SAVE AS command and save it as text. It is
not pretty (no formatting) but you could get the information to paste to
somewhere else.
Lizette
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>>> McKown, John Wrote
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:17 PM
> To: IBM-...@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
>
> > I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>
> I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific?
> You're sitting at a
> PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data
> that you can cut
> and paste into a ___ (?).
>
> Charles
Due to the way that IBM has generated the PDF, you cannot cut from it.
Apparently it is an image type PDF, not a text PDF. This may explain IBM's
apparent discontinuing of bookmanager books. You can cut from them. Which
IBM might think contributes to possible copyright violation. So the image
format PDF is a form of DRM.
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Chase, John
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills
> >
> > > I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
> >
> > I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific?
> > You're sitting at a
> > PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data
> > that you can cut
> > and paste into a ___ (?).
> >
> > Charles
>
> Due to the way that IBM has generated the PDF, you cannot cut from it.
Apparently it is an image type
> PDF, not a text PDF. This may explain IBM's apparent discontinuing of
bookmanager books. You can cut
> from them. Which IBM might think contributes to possible copyright
violation. So the image format PDF
> is a form of DRM.
You mean I can't do this?
===== Begin paste =====
Eighth Edition (February, 2009)
This edition obsoletes and replaces z/Architecture Principles of
Operation, SA22-7832-06.
This publication is provided for use in conjunction with other relevant
IBM publications, and IBM makes no warranty, express or
implied, about its completeness or accuracy. The information in this
publication is current as of its publication date but is subject to
change without notice.
Additional copies of this and other IBM publications may be ordered or
downloaded from the IBM publications web site at
http://www.ibm.com/support/documentation.
===== End paste =====
Or this?
=== Begin paste =====
Appendix B. Lists of Instructions
The following figures list instructions by name, mnemonic,
and operation code. Some models may offer
instructions that do not appear in the figures, such as
those provided for assists or as part of special or custom
features.
===== End paste =====
-jc-
Charles Mills
understand the limitations of cut-and-pasted from the IBM PDFs. What I don't
understand is what the OP is trying to accomplish that cannot be
accomplished with the resources available. I may be dense, but the sentence
"I can't very well access that file [a Web page] from a DVD or CD-ROM" does
not make sense to me. I don't know how you access anything from a DVD. I'm
trying to help the OP achieve his goals.
Charles
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Of McKown, John
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 5:57 AM
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Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:17 PM
> To: IBM-...@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
>
> > I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>
> I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific?
> You're sitting at a
> PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data
> that you can cut
> and paste into a ___ (?).
>
> Charles
Due to the way that IBM has generated the PDF, you cannot cut from it.
Apparently it is an image type PDF, not a text PDF. This may explain IBM's
apparent discontinuing of bookmanager books. You can cut from them. Which
IBM might think contributes to possible copyright violation. So the image
format PDF is a form of DRM.
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Tom Marchant
>
>Due to the way that IBM has generated the PDF, you cannot
>cut from it. Apparently it is an image type PDF, not a text PDF.
>This may explain IBM's apparent discontinuing of bookmanager
>books. You can cut from them. Which IBM might think
>contributes to possible copyright violation. So the image
>format PDF is a form of DRM.
>
CUT (cntl-x) may not work, but COPY (cntl-c) works just fine. I've done it
lots of times. In particular, I've done it with the -7 version of the POO.
The last .boo version of the POO is SA22-7832-03.
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Tom Marchant
Hunkeler Peter , KIUP 4
... which has the nice side effect that I no need to download a 32MB
file before I can start a search :-((
--
Peter Hunkeler
Credit Suisse
Chris Mason
Until today I haven't come across any problems "copying and pasting" from
IBM-supplied PDFs of *current* manuals.
I have noticed the problem of not being able to "copy and paste" with old
System Journals - I think - which I expect were "scanned" into PDFs.
However, even if you do have the problem of not being able to "copy", I
discovered a possible technique recently. It does assume that you can still
*print* the PDF!
I was experimenting with options for scanning a document and I discovered
that some software I had assumed was typical "bloatware" actually had a
purpose and was integrated with my scanner software. It managed to make
some sort of sense of the *text* in the document I was scanning when I
changed my "destination" from "Microsoft Paint" to "Notepad".[1]
I would expect that it would have no difficulty with a printed page from a PDF.
Thus you have a way of extracting editable raw text.
In case it's any help, the hardware is a Dell Photo 926 printer with support
software name "Dell Photo AIO Printer 926". I believe that the under-the-
covers product which is performing the "scanned image to text" trick has the
software name "ABBYY FineReader 6.0 Sprint".
-
Rick
As Paul pointed out, the level of the "bookmgr" file is "2", SA22-7832-02. The
latest I can find searching the IBM site for SA22-7832 is "7", SA22-7832-07,
as found in a PDF on
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/r11pdf/
which, you will note, corresponds to the current latest release level of
z/OS, "11".
-
Incidentally, I was quite able to "copy and paste" the first page of the
first "Instruction Table" from this PDF into Notepad. It is not formatted as a
table any more - which is possibly what Lizette was saying - but it
is "editable". I leave you to "experiment" with your favourite document
products possibly more advanced than Notepad.
-
Another incidentally: would anyone explain/justify that the extent of the
difference between "ESA/390" and "z/Architecture" amounts to approximately
24.5M of PDF? - an idle observation while waiting for the download to
complete!
Chris Mason
[1] I believe I have very probably encountered the use of some similar - if not
the same - software.
I receive electronically every month a bulletin relating to my old school where
alumni present their reminiscences. It happens to be strong on the years when
I attended - which may relate to a coincidence with the retirement age!
Some photographs appeared of a performance of a play, "The Frogs", from
sometime in the late '50s. Our talented music master set pieces for the Chorus
to music and I recalled a song from the play - with a niggling doubt over one
word. Would you believe that the text of the play was "on the net" even
though it dates from 1912 - as a translation from the quite a lot older original,
of course?
http://www.archive.org/stream/frogs00ofaristophaarisrich/frogs00ofaristophaari
srich_djvu.txt
Thus the word I couldn't quite remember was found - although the word I
created in order to "repair the tear in my memory" may actually have been
better in context for both meaning and rhyming sound, "ruses" for "uses". I
checked that that is sufficient clue for any who would like to see for
themselves!
The text has obviously been created by software from a scan of a book.
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:56:50 -0600, McKown, John
<John....@HEALTHMARKETS.COM> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
>> [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills
>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: IBM-...@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
>>
>> > I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>>
>> I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific?
>> You're sitting at a
>> PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data
>> that you can cut
>> and paste into a ___ (?).
>>
>> Charles
>
>Due to the way that IBM has generated the PDF, you cannot cut from it.
Apparently it is an image type PDF, not a text PDF. This may explain IBM's
apparent discontinuing of bookmanager books. You can cut from them. Which
IBM might think contributes to possible copyright violation. So the image
format PDF is a form of DRM.
>
>--
>John McKown
>Systems Engineer IV
>IT
>
>Administrative Services Group
>
>HealthMarkets(r)
>
>9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010
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Clayton Buck
McKown, John
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM
> To: IBM-...@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
>
> You mean I can't do this?
>
> ===== Begin paste =====
> Eighth Edition (February, 2009)
> This edition obsoletes and replaces z/Architecture Principles of
> Operation, SA22-7832-06.
Hum, I must have done something wrong. My hands are not doing well in the cold today. I may have tried to do a cntl-c and pressed another key by accident. I have problems typing the c key because my left index finger no longer bends in the middle.
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IT
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Rick Fochtman
>>I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>>
>>
>
>I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific? You're sitting at a
>PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data that you can cut
>and paste into a ___ (?).
>
>Charles
>
>
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1. I use only a laptop when traveling, with very limited HD space. I
need a bigger shoehorn to add much to the HD, whereas I can always trade
out a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM.
2. My Internet connection isn't very fast, or reliable.
Rick
Chase, John
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
>
> ----------------------------------<snip>-----------------------------
>
> >>I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific? You're
sitting at a
> >PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data that you
can cut
> >and paste into a ___ (?).
> >
> >Charles
> >
> >
>
------------------------------<unsnip>----------------------------------
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> 1. I use only a laptop when traveling, with very limited HD space. I
> need a bigger shoehorn to add much to the HD, whereas I can always
trade
> out a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM.
Nowadays you can get a 64GiB or larger stiffy starting at around $155
(tigerdirect.com; they show one 128-Gigger for $365).
-jc-
Charles Mills
not burn the PDF to a CD or DVD (neglecting any copyright issues for the
time being)? For that matter I think you can buy the entire z/OS collection
on DVD for -- last I knew -- I recall $20.
Sorry to be a pita. I'm trying to solve your problem.
Charles
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Of Rick Fochtman
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Bookshelves under BookMangler
----------------------------------<snip>-----------------------------
>>I can't very well access that file from a DVD or CD-ROM
>>
>>
>
>I don't know what that means. Can you be more specific? You're sitting at a
>PC(?) that is connected to the Internet(?). You need data that you can cut
>and paste into a ___ (?).
>
>Charles
>
>
------------------------------<unsnip>-----------------------------------
1. I use only a laptop when traveling, with very limited HD space. I
need a bigger shoehorn to add much to the HD, whereas I can always trade
out a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM.
2. My Internet connection isn't very fast, or reliable.
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Natarajan Mohan
While we are on the bookmnaager/read, an interesting plugin to have for PDF downloaded from IBM
IBM Advanced Linguistic Search Plug-in for Adobe
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/applications/office/bkmgr/adobeplugin.html
Natarajan
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I want "an editable format" to update the instruction tables in my own
(private) disassembler.
Rick
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z/architecture principles of operation bookshelf.
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Mike
Edward Jaffe
> IBM seems determined to drop HTML support for at least this manual.
>
The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it broke
the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time, inclination, or
knowledge to fix it. :-(
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Paul Gilmartin
>Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> IBM seems determined to drop HTML support for at least this manual.
>
>The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it broke
>the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time, inclination, or
>knowledge to fix it. :-(
>
Was it for similar reasons that SMP/E, Assembler Services, perhaps
others, went to multiple volumes? I bet that makes cross-references
harder.
-- gil
Chase, John
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
>
> Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> > IBM seems determined to drop HTML support for at least this manual.
> >
>
> The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it
broke
> the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time, inclination,
or
> knowledge to fix it. :-(
It's only 1300 pounds.
Make that "pages". :-) But still "heavy reading".
-jc-
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
it would be fun to get a look at it to fix generation of html ... POO
has been subset of the architecture book ... which has been twice as
large ... started out as cms script file with conditionals ... that
command line arguments to the cms script command would either format the
full document or just the POO subset.
last spring I had done a lot with the transcripts of the pecora hearings
(senate banking hearings in the wake of '29 crash ... leading up to
glass-steagall) ... with a whole lot of cross-indexing and generated
loads of hrefs. the original scanned transcripts were six volumes with
2345 pgs total and 20 volumes with 9296 pgs total.
the original document wasn't the best ... so the scan wasn't outstanding
and several places the OCR of the scanned pages is very low quality ...
so the individual HTML'ed pages from the OCR, periodically have a lot of
garbage; as a result I put in each HTML'ed page a HREF reference back to
the corresponding page in the scan'ed document (whole thing is under two
gbytes, most of which are the original scanned files).
by comparison, Z -07 POO PDF file says 1344 pages ... for the heck of it
I just started a "save as text" ... which is going quite slow ... a lot
of the formating & figures are lost in "save as text"
--
40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
> The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it
> broke the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time,
> inclination, or knowledge to fix it. :-(
it would be fun to get a look at it to fix generation of html ... POO
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Edward Jaffe
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:55:55 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:
>
>> The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it broke
>> the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time, inclination, or
>> knowledge to fix it. :-(
>>
> Was it for similar reasons that SMP/E, Assembler Services, perhaps
> others, went to multiple volumes? I bet that makes cross-references
> harder.
>
In the old days, books were printed on paper and usually placed into a
three-ring binder. When they got too big, the authors split them into
multiple volumes.
--
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Phoenix Software International, Inc
831 Parkview Drive North
El Segundo, CA 90245
310-338-0400 x318
edj...@phoenixsoftware.com
http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/
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Paul Gilmartin
>Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:55:55 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:
>>
>>> The story, as told by John Ehrman, is that the POO got so big, it broke
>>> the book build software and nobody at IBM has the time, inclination, or
>>> knowledge to fix it. :-(
>>>
>> Was it for similar reasons that SMP/E, Assembler Services, perhaps
>> others, went to multiple volumes? I bet that makes cross-references
>> harder.
>
>In the old days, books were printed on paper and usually placed into a
>three-ring binder. When they got too big, the authors split them into
>multiple volumes.
>
Gee, it feels almost as if the design target of the book build
software was the capacity of that three-ring binder.
-- gil
Rick Fochtman
In the old days, books were printed on paper and usually placed into a
three-ring binder. When they got too big, the authors split them into
multiple volumes.
What I don't understand is how the manual for Device Support Facilities
found its way to the Messages & Codes bookshelf. Why not the MVS bookshelf?
Rick