EXTRA! Xtreme 3270 emulator and FTP

[George.William]

Anyone using Attachmate's EXTRA! Xtreme (we have 9.1) and using its FTP
file transfer?

We just moved off a VERY old version of Extra and I'm trying to get away
from using IND$FILE and use FTP. However, I've not been successful in
finding how to set the parameters for creating a file on the mainframe
it is doesn't exist. It seems to default to VB 256 and I would like to
create a 'scheme' for FB 80 and a few others.

Anyone find a means to do this? Its HELP function is not helpful. Sigh.

Thanks

Bill

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[Jerry Whitteridge]

You are probably going to have to put the parms in the Quote CMD box on the left bottom corner. ( In our case we do not use the Attachmate FTP as it doesn't understand TLS).

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> Thanks
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[Charles Mills]

Have you looked at the site command? Depending on your FTP client, you may
have to quote it, i.e.,

quote site blksize=8000 lrecl=80 recfm=fbs

Charles

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[Thompson, Steve]

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Charles Mills
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: EXTRA! Xtreme 3270 emulator and FTP

Have you looked at the site command? Depending on your FTP client, you
may
have to quote it, i.e.,

quote site blksize=8000 lrecl=80 recfm=fbs

Charles
<SNIP>

Are you sure you want Fixed Block Standard (FBS)?

The only thing I know that seems to demand this is IPCS.

Regards,
Steve Thompson

[George.William]

I've not had any luck using that "Quote Cmd" prompt at all. Whatever I
put in there replaces the "Local Filename/Path" name in the transfer
parameters after I click transfer, Weird.
Thanks

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Subject: Re: EXTRA! Xtreme 3270 emulator and FTP

You are probably going to have to put the parms in the Quote CMD box on
the left bottom corner. ( In our case we do not use the Attachmate FTP
as it doesn't understand TLS).

Jerry Whitteridge
Safeway Inc.
Mainframe Engineering
(925) 951 4184
If you feel in control -
You aren't going fast enough

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[Charles Mills]

Not me! But the OP is free to use any RECFM he likes -- my point was the
format of the command, not recommending a particular RECFM.

Not many things *require* FBS but "DFSMS Using Data Sets" does say "A
sequential data set with standard format records (format-FS or -FBS)
sometimes can be read more efficiently than a data set with format-F or -FB
records. This efficiency is possible because the system is able to determine
the address of each record to be read, because each track contains the same
number of blocks." (p. 295) I tend to use it when efficiency might be
important. So long as you are not using MOD (granted, a biggie) or TRUNC
(the last time I used TRUNC was in the eighties) I think FBS carries no
penalty in terms of what you can and cannot do.

Charles

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Charles Mills
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: EXTRA! Xtreme 3270 emulator and FTP

Have you looked at the site command? Depending on your FTP client, you
may
have to quote it, i.e.,

quote site blksize=8000 lrecl=80 recfm=fbs

Charles
<SNIP>

Are you sure you want Fixed Block Standard (FBS)?

The only thing I know that seems to demand this is IPCS.

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[Dave Salt]

It's because of these types of issues that I gave up using the different file-transfer mechanisms supported by all the different emulators. I prefer to use the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE), which always works exactly the same way regardless of which emulator (or version of an emulator) I'm using. IMO, it's the easiest way to transfer files.

Dave Salt

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[George.William]

Yes, I may have to go that route.
The interface to EXTRA!'s client is leaving me... wanting.
Sigh.

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Subject: Re: EXTRA! Xtreme 3270 emulator and FTP

It's because of these types of issues that I gave up using the different
file-transfer mechanisms supported by all the different emulators. I
prefer to use the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE), which always works
exactly the same way regardless of which emulator (or version of an
emulator) I'm using. IMO, it's the easiest way to transfer files.

Dave Salt

SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it!
http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html

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[Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.]

In <038a01ca8016$b4a0e6c0$1de2b440$@org>, on 12/18/2009

at 02:17 PM, Charles Mills <char...@MCN.ORG> said:

>Not many things *require* FBS but "DFSMS Using Data Sets" does say "A
>sequential data set with standard format records (format-FS or -FBS)
>sometimes can be read more efficiently than a data set with format-F or
>-FB records.

That's certainly true for random access, but for sequential reads it's a
wash. The CCW chain might be slightly shorter because it doesn't need a
Read Count, but I doubt that the difference would be noticeable.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
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[Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.]

In <BLU149-W60DAF01F4...@phx.gbl>, on 12/18/2009

at 02:31 PM, Dave Salt <ds...@HOTMAIL.COM> said:

>It's because of these types of issues that I gave up using the different
>file-transfer mechanisms supported by all the different emulators. I
>prefer to use the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA.EXE), which always works
>exactly the same way regardless of which emulator (or version of an
>emulator) I'm using. IMO, it's the easiest way to transfer files.

It's slightly less convenient when using TN3270 to a session monitor that
doesn't pass through the CV for the IP address, e.g., TPX.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html>
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

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