Dnmntrn Kapsala, "O kataktntns Aleksavdros"
Vassilios Tsiantos
Tnv epoxn pou epikratouse n 0olokoultoura pragmatikoi Ellnves
sav tov Dnmntrn Kapsala, ekdotn kai suggrafea, (Proedros tou
Suvdesmou gia tnv Prostasia tns Ellnvikns Klnrovomias, SPEK)
egrafav kai dialegovtav gia tov Mega Aleksavdro.
Tote gia tous prodotes tns Ellados kommouvistes kai sosialnstes
o Megas Aleksavdros ntav "Gdartns kai Sfaxtns twv Lawv"! Twra
koptovtai opsima gia tnv Makedovia kai to ovoma twv Skopiwv!
O Dnmntrns Kapsalas to 1981 eksedose stnv Qessalovikn to biblio
tou "O kataktntns Aleksavdros".
As doume ti egrafe stov epilogo:
" O Aleksavdros, loipov, upnrkse K a t a k t n t n s kai opws
apedeiksa to gegovos auto tima tous Ellnvas idiaiterws.
H av0rwpotns movov eva exn va parousiasn avwterov tou.
Tov Filippov.
Oi polemoi tou Aleksavdrou, opws kai tou patros tou,
ntav epi0etikoi. Kai eis peisma twv die0vistwv nsav pera
pasns amfisbntnsews d i k a i o i kai steroumevoi pavtelws
oiasdnpote 'imperialistikns xroias'.
katelabe edafn pros ikavopoinsiv tns avagkns uparksews
Zwtikou Xwrou dia tnv epibiwsiv tns Ellnvikns Fulns. kai suve-
tripse olosxerws eva ex0rov o opoios epi aiwvas eixe upo
tnv katoxn tou Ellnvika edafn kai epevebaive eis tas metaksu
twv Ellnvwv eridas katastas o ousiastikos ru0mistns twv politi-
kwv pragmatwv tou Ellnvikou xwrou.
H Ellas exei avagknv evos Aleksavdrou - estw kai kakektupou."
O Dnmntrns Kapsalas parousiazei tnv ekpompn "OI ELLHNES" sto tnleoptiko
kavali EURO tou Kilkisiou (me embeleia kai stov vomo Thessalovikns) ka0e
Kuriakn stis 12:30 kai se epavalnpsi ka0e Tetartn stis 14:00.
H Ellada dev exei avagkn apo paramu0ia. As diabasoume ligo tnv istoria mas
kai as didax0oume kai kuriws autoi pou agwvizovtai (!) gia ta e0vika mas
sumferovta.
Dev 0a eprepe va uparxei Ellnvas stratiwtikos kai politikos pou va mv
gvwri-
zei ap' eksw tnv istoria twv Filippou kai Aleksvadrou, ka0ws kai tnv
Istoria tou
Pellopovnsiako Polemo (Qoududidns). Eprepe va eivai ma0nma pros eksetasi.
H agvoia tns Ellnvikns Istorias kai tou Politismou mas efere ta problnmata
twv
teleutaiwv aiwvwv (oxi etwv). O sebasmos pros tov Politismo mas kai n eis
ba0os
meletn tou eivai n MONADIKH lusn gia tnv Ellada, EAN epi0umei va diadrama-
tisei prwtagwvistiko rolo (oxi movo se ereuvntiko epipedo).
Zntw n 28n Oktwbriou 1940! Zntw o Metaksas! Zntw n Ellada!
Na eisaste kala.
Vassilios Dem. Tsiantos.
Ma0nmatikos, MSc, MPhil.
PhD Student.
University of Manchester, School of Engineering,
Information Storage Research Group, Oxford Road,
Manchester M13 9PL, UK
Email: mbge...@fs1.eng.man.ac.uk
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Efthimios Tartaras
Grafei o Tsiantos:
> katelabe edafn pros ikavopoinsiv tns avagkns uparksews
> Zwtikou Xwrou dia tnv epibiwsiv tns Ellnvikns Fulns.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ti mou thumizei, ti mou thumizei.... Eipame re Basilh, alla
mh grafeis tetoia sto idio mail pou milas kai gia thn 28h
Oktwvriou! Ntroph re!
Themhs
Vassilios Tsiantos
Grafei o Themhs Tartaras
Sto mnvuma mou egrapsa gia tnv 0olokoultoura eks' aitias
twra trexoume kai dev f0avoume (Skopia, Kupros, klp).
Etsi Themn eav exeis kairo rikse mia matia stnv Arxaia
Ellnvikn Istoria (stis apopseis isws tou Swkratn gia to 0ema)
kai euxaristws va epavel0w. Auto giati afnveis kapoio upo-
vooumevo.
Grafw epi pevte sxedov xrovia stnv HELLAS oti dev exw avagkn
(opws kai ka0e Ellnvas) apo kakektupa kseva protupa.
Episns Ellada gia meva oso kai eav akomn kai stnv idea 0ermou
epeisodiou me tnv Tourkia tromazw, snmaivei agwvas kai polemos.
Ftaei n rnmada n gewgrafikn mas 0esn?
Etsi exw protupo tov Perikln, autov pou 0aumazouv oloi oi astoi
sav megalo dnmokratn! Ava0ema kai eav diabasav pote Ploutarxo!
O Ploutarxos leei to poiov tou Perikln kai ti ekave stous Mnlious kai
tous Samious. Se mia apo tis ekstrateies stnv Samo vomizw skotw-
0nke kai o filosofos kai stratngos Melissos (Samios, evas apo tous
korufaious Eleates filosofous).
Etsi ekeivn tnv epoxn oi filosofoi kai gevikotera oi pveumatikoi av0rwpoi
polemousav, dev gurvousav sta stekia tou Kolwvakiou.
"The educated Atheneans were philosophizing;
nowdays the smart-set is night-clubbing"!
Moris Kline
Etsi file Themn egw dev eimai sav tov Perikln. Eimai pio elastikos.
As paroume pisw Boreio Hpeiro (oi lopwdutes politikoi mas kai oloi
oi asxetoi milave gia Albaviko Epos - oi vtevekedes dev gvwrizouv oti
o Ellnvikos Stratos apeleu0erwse tnv Boreio Hpeiro), tnv Kwvstavtivou-
poln kai tnv Iwvia, as eleu0erwsoume to Movastnri kai tnv sklabwmevn
Boreia Kupro, as agkaliasoume tous Ellnvikns katagwgns opou gns,
kai dev mou xreiazetai tipote allo!
BTW, erwtnsn: Giati oi Tourkoi exouv gia prwteuousa tnv Agkura?
Basilns Dnm. Tsiavtos
YG. O Swkratns summeteixe se eksrateies kai ntav pio atromntos
apo tous epaggelmaties stratiwtes!
Efthimios Tartaras
>Sto mnvuma mou egrapsa gia tnv 0olokoultoura eks' aitias
>twra trexoume kai dev f0avoume (Skopia, Kupros, klp).
>Etsi Themn eav exeis kairo rikse mia matia stnv Arxaia
>Ellnvikn Istoria (stis apopseis isws tou Swkratn gia to 0ema)
>kai euxaristws va epavel0w. Auto giati afnveis kapoio upo-
>vooumevo.
Yponooumeno de nomizw oti htan. Einai kseka8aro nomizw. Sto mhnuma
sou anamesa sta alla pou anafereis gia thn anupswsh ths patriwtikhs
mas suneidhshs, klp., anafereis kai apospasmata tou vivliou enos
"pragmatikou" Ellhna (oi upoloipoi ti einai, imaginary;) opou
parousiazetai o Aleksandros san megalos katakthths, klp. Kala ola auta,
alla o anthrwpos to paratravaei milwntas gia "dikaio" agwna logw ths
anagkhs "zwtikou xwrou" kai alles malakies. Kai poio katw sto idio mhnuma
teleiwneis me th frash "Zhtw h 28n Oktwbriou 1940!" Kai anarwtiemai twra
egw: den einai eirwniko na giortazoume th nikh enos exthrou pou h8ele
na apokthsei to diko tou "zwtiko xwro" otan ki emeis xrhsimopoioume
paromoia epixeirhmata otan mas voleuei;
Themhs
P.S. Den uponoousa pouthena Germanofilia, an auto katalaves. Aplws oti
faskeis kai antifaskeis (me dedomeno oti mallon sumfwneis me ta grafomena
tou Kapsala.
Vassilios Tsiantos
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> From: Efthimios Tartaras <tart...@mines.utah.edu>
> To: mbge...@fs1.eng.man.ac.uk
> Cc: HEL...@american.edu
> Subject: Re: Dnmntrn Kapsala, "O kataktntns Aleksavdros"
> Date: 29 October 1997 21:06
>
> >Sto mnvuma mou egrapsa gia tnv 0olokoultoura eks' aitias
> >twra trexoume kai dev f0avoume (Skopia, Kupros, klp).
> >Etsi Themn eav exeis kairo rikse mia matia stnv Arxaia
> >Ellnvikn Istoria (stis apopseis isws tou Swkratn gia to 0ema)
> >kai euxaristws va epavel0w. Auto giati afnveis kapoio upo-
> >vooumevo.
>
> Yponooumeno de nomizw oti htan. Einai kseka8aro nomizw. Sto mhnuma
> sou anamesa sta alla pou anafereis gia thn anupswsh ths patriwtikhs
> mas suneidhshs, klp., anafereis kai apospasmata tou vivliou enos
> "pragmatikou" Ellhna (oi upoloipoi ti einai, imaginary;) opou
> parousiazetai o Aleksandros san megalos katakthths, klp. Kala ola auta,
> alla o anthrwpos to paratravaei milwntas gia "dikaio" agwna logw ths
> anagkhs "zwtikou xwrou" kai alles malakies. Kai poio katw sto idio mhnuma
> teleiwneis me th frash "Zhtw h 28n Oktwbriou 1940!" Kai anarwtiemai twra
> egw: den einai eirwniko na giortazoume th nikh enos exthrou pou h8ele
> na apokthsei to diko tou "zwtiko xwro" otan ki emeis xrhsimopoioume
Eisai toso sigouros oti oi Germavoi mas epite0nkav giati eixav problnma
Zwtikou Xwrou?
> paromoia epixeirhmata otan mas voleuei;
>
Politikn kai Die0veis Sxeseis file mou snmaivouv sumferov kai duvamn.
Twra otav 0a mas tnv pesouv suvtoma oi Tourkoi esu bges me to garufallo
va tous polemnseis!
Gia to poios eivai kai poios dev eivai Ellnvas exei suzntn0ei stnv lista
ekatovtades fores, dev 0a to lusoume twra. Opoios exei koivn logikn
gvwrizei. Yparxei episns n Istoria pou krivei.
Epigrammatika movo grafw auto pou kai o filos mou Kapsalas kai egw
pisteuw, pistoi stis ellnvikes paradoseis (Isokratns),
"Ellnvas eivai autos pou summetexei tns paideias mas"
Eleu0ern apodosn dikn mou
BTW. Mias kai milaw gia ellnvikes paradoseis. O Kazavtzakns egrafe stov
tafo tou eva suvtomo apof0egma to opoio to xrnsimopoiouse kapoios filos
tns listas. Stov OT diabasa prosfata oti o filosofos Dnmwvaktas, opws ava-
ferei o Loukiavos stov "Bio tou Dnmwvaktos" eixe pei akribws to idio
pragma!
Pws va mnv upostnrizouv oi filologoi kai oi oi eidikoi klassikistes, pou
suvavtnsa
stnv Olumpia to kalokairi sta plaisia tou 1ou suvedriou me 0ema "Arxaia
Ellada
kai Sugxrovos Kosmos", oti oi Arxaioi Ellnves "ta eipav ola"!
Yperboln isws, alla oxi makrua apo tnv pragmatikotnta.
Etsi kai emeis pistoi stis paradoseis, vai zntame epitelous o Ellnvas va
ksupvnsei
kai va suveidntopoinsei oti oso ta suvora stnv Makedovia, Qrakn 0a eivai 60
xiliometra apo tnv 0alassa n Ellada 0a dexetai tnv piesn twv "filwv" apo
tov
borra kai tnv xwris stamatnmo piesn twv Tourkwv. Eav dev lu0ei to problnma
pros borra dev prokeitai va lu0ei oute to Kupriako oute kai to Aigaio
(evvow
tnv Iwvia giati dev ufistatai allo 0ema) gia tnv Ellada.
Kai gia va teleiwvw. Eimai upernfavos giati o Megas Aleksavdros ntav
Ellnvas
oxi giati kapoioi vtevekedes arxaiolatres tns kakias wras mas exouv prnksei
oti ntav Ekpolitistns, alla giati ntav Kataktntns. Ta upoloipa peri dikaiou
polemou
kai adikou, peri epi0etikou kai amuvtikou polemou, ta afnvw stov filo mou
Dnmntrn Kapsala sav pio eidiko va ta avalusei. Opoios 0elei as diabasei to
biblio tou gia va katalabei tnv epixeirnmatologia tou.
Filika.
Basilns Dnm. Tsiavtos
Vasilakis Fykos
On 30 Oct 97 at 10:03, Vassilios Tsiantos wrote:
> Eisai toso sigouros oti oi Germavoi mas epite0nkav giati eixav problnma
> Zwtikou Xwrou?
Nai, oson afora toys dyo pagkosmioys polemoys, den htan mono
rhtorikh, htan kai alhueia.
Oi ypoloipoi eyrvpaioi eixan zvtiko xvro mesa apo tis apoikies, oi
Germanoi kai Aystriakoi oxi.
Mhn jexnas oti oloklhrh h oikonomia ths arxhs toy aivna exei na kanei
me thn ekmetaleysh prvtvn ylvn. Tis opoies exeis afuones, otan exeis
zvtiko xvro.
Vasilakis, etvn 19 kai perissotera apo tria terata
Ilias Lantzis
To oikonomiko adiejodo pou bre8hkan oi Germanoi meta ton prwto pagk.polemo
htan apotelesma tou Gallikou Sobinismou, oi opoioi kala phran oti phran,
apaithsan terasties doseis apozhmiwsewn, oxi toso gia na ofelh8oun
oikonomika, oso gia na ejontwsoun oikonomika tous Germanous.. Den h8ele
loipon polu gia enan trello, na parei enan perhfano-tapeinwmeno lao,
kuriolektika dialumeno apo thn anergia kai plh8wrismo, kai na tous rijei
ston polemo. Oi amerikanoi malista meta ton A' , eixan proeidopoihsei
tous Agglogallous gia tis sunepeies mias toso sklhrhs oikonomikhs
politikhs apenanti sthn Germania.. Epishs, mhn jexname oti h
Eurwpaikh biomhxania ths mesopolemikhs eurwphs htan basika Polemikh.. Oi
Germanoi, oxi mono eixan na plhrwnoun apozhmiwseis, alla epipleon tous
eixe apagoreu8ei h opoiadhmote elpida biomhxanikhs anaptujhs..afou den
tous epitrepotan na sunthroun strato...
Gia auto ton logo ej'allou, meta ton deutero pagk. oi Sumaxxoi telika den
adanisan thn Germania, kai epipleon apofasisan na thn anaptujoun
oikonomika... gia na apofugoun thn epanallhch ths idias istorias..
(Eutuxws, dioti oi flegmatikoi Galloi oneireuontousan mia
metapolemikh germania xwrismenh sta 4 Amerik. Aggl. Rwss kai
fusika Gallia :)))))) (akoma trexei o Nte Gkwl apo thn Dounkerkh, mazi me
ta Agglakia tou... kai emeis oi magkes, pou antejame 6 mhnes mes ta
xionia, oute argurokastro - Konitsa den phrame :(((
Ilias Lantzis
PS.. (asxeto) emeis bebaia akoma den exoume parei draxmh apo tous
Germanous gia ton B' Pagk.
Vassilios Tsiantos
Geia sou Lnda.
Exeis dikaio. Evvoousa movo tnv Ellada kai n apavtnsn, kata tnv gvwmn mou,
eivai oti logw tou blaka tou fasista Mousolivi mplextnkave se polemo me tnv
Ellada.
Kata ta alla dev kserw ta epixeirnmata twv Germavwv, giati par' olo pou
briskomouv pavta se kuklwmata Germavofilwv (?), emeva proswpika dev
me evdiefere to 0ema. Auto dev snmaivei oti dev eivai snmavtiko 0ema.
Etsi exw spatalnsei gia tov Xitler, tov emfulio, tov Metaksa oso xrovo exw
spatalnsei gia tov Marks kai tov Evgkels kai etsi mias kai dev eimai
eidikos
dev suvexizw tnv koubevta.
Auto pou n0ela va pw apla eivai oti eav briskotav evas Ellnvas Kataktntns,
eite legotav Snmitns, eite Pleurns, eite evas Stratngos, eite Pagkalos,
egw 0a to xairomouv kai 0a bon0ousa. Giati;
Giati dustuxws dev givetai diaforetika. Yparxouv Ellnvika edafn ta opoia
telouv upo katoxn. Kupros, Boreios Hpeiros, Imbros kai Tevedos, Iwvia,
Povtos, Movastnri.
Apo kei kai pera m' aresei n nsuxia mou, n douleia mou, n Sebn mou kai 0elw
to kalutero gia tous dikous mou, gia ka0e Ellnva kai gia ka0e av0rwpo. Alla
dev zoume se koivwvia aggelwv kai protimw va eimai Promn0eus, para
Epimn0eus kai va mnv klapsw ki' alln Kupro .n. Imia .n. Qrakn.
Polemo (kata kapoio tropo, evvow xrnsimopoinse bia), btw, ekave kai o
Xristos stov vao kai to dexomaste. Ara uparxouv dikaioi kai adikoi polemoi.
Epi0etikoi kai amuvtikoi. H apeleu0erwsn tns Qessalovikns ntav epi0etikos
polemos. Tov dexomaste vai .n. oxi; Htav dikaios vai .n. oxi;
Ara av aurio gia kapoio logo epite0oume stnv Tourkia (0a eimaste blakes eav
mporoume va to kataferoume diaforetika) kai eleu0erwsoume tnv Iwvia,
kai tnv Kwvstavtivoupoln 0a eivai adikos polemos .n. dikaios;
Pollous xairetismous.
Basilns
http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbgehvt1/
> > Eisai toso sigouros oti oi Germavoi mas epite0nkav giati eixav
problnma
> > Zwtikou Xwrou?
> >
>
> Ela re Basilh, ta exoume xiliopei..fusika kai auto ekanan kai auto
h8elan.
> Amesa, thn Ellada oxi, alla emesa nai...
> Pas na mas peiseis pws o Xitler den htan katakthths kai den serbirize
> stous uphkoous tou epixeirhmata peri zwtikou xwrou pros anatolas?
> Gia onoma 8eou....mhn th gyrname thn istoria opws goustaroume...
>
> Lhda
>
> >
Vassilios Tsiantos
> Anaferesai stonDhm. Kapsala ws eidiko se 0emata polemou
> dikaiou adikou etc.
> Ti eidhkothta exei kai poios einai gia na ma0ainoume kai emeis oi
asxetoi.
>
> papous
O Dnmntrns Kapsalas eivai oikovomologos, ekdotns kai suggrafeas. Parou-
siazei tnv ekpompn "OI ELLHNES" sto tnleoptiko kavali tou Kilkis EURO
(embeleia kai stov vomo Qessalovikns). H ekpompn tou proballetai ka0e
Kuriakn stis 12:30 kai se epavalnpsn ka0e Tetartn stis 14:00).
Eivai Proedros tou Suvdesmou gia tnv Prostasia tns Ellnvikns Klnrovomias
(SPEK), o opoios exei edra tnv Qessalovikn (Tsimiskn 130) kai idru0nke
to 1983. Idrutiko melos tou kai o grafwv.
To pio prosfato biblio eivai se suvergasia me tov Kwsta Kiltidn kai exei
titlo "Ideologikes Arxes - Prosarmogn stnv Ellnvikn Politikn
Pragmatikotnta",
ekd. SPEK, Qessalovikn, 1997.
http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbgehvt1/spek/
Basilns Dnm. Tsiavtos
http://www.man.ac.uk/~mbgehtv1/
Lida Anestidou
grafei o Basilhs:
>
> Geia sou Lnda.
>
> Exeis dikaio. Evvoousa movo tnv Ellada kai n apavtnsn, kata tnv gvwmn mou,
> eivai oti logw tou blaka tou fasista Mousolivi mplextnkave se polemo me tnv
>
> Ellada.
o fasistas Mousolini, pou les, htan idiwn antilhpsewn me ton fasista ton
Hitler. Oso gia to blakas, aplws htan ligotero "tolmhros" apo ton Adolfo,
o opoios omws, ton latreue mexri telous...
Htan la8os tou Hitler
1. oti basisthke stis "dunameis" tou italikou stratou na katakthsoun ta
balkania kai
2. oti enw eixe ka8usterhsei shmantika sto rwsiko metwpo, anoi3e kai
deutero agwna sta balkania.
> Auto pou n0ela va pw apla eivai oti eav briskotav evas Ellnvas Kataktntns,
> eite legotav Snmitns, eite Pleurns, eite evas Stratngos, eite Pagkalos,
> egw 0a to xairomouv kai 0a bon0ousa. Giati;
egw ka9olou.
> Giati dustuxws dev givetai diaforetika. Yparxouv Ellnvika edafn ta opoia
> telouv upo katoxn. Kupros, Boreios Hpeiros, Imbros kai Tevedos, Iwvia,
> Povtos, Movastnri.
sobarepsou, Basilh....o kosmos paei mprosta, oxi pisw....milwntas gia
"xamenes patrides" paizeis akribws to paixnidi olwn oswn tous sumferei na
uparxoun anhsuxies, anataraxes kai sugkrouseis ana ton kosmo...kaneis laos
den einai kaluteros apo ton apenanti tou....
>
> Apo kei kai pera m' aresei n nsuxia mou, n douleia mou, n Sebn mou kai 0elw
> to kalutero gia tous dikous mou, gia ka0e Ellnva kai gia ka0e av0rwpo. Alla
> dev zoume se koivwvia aggelwv kai protimw va eimai Promn0eus, para
> Epimn0eus kai va mnv klapsw ki' alln Kupro .n. Imia .n. Qrakn.
faskeis kai antifaskeis..proswpikh hsuxia kai xamenes patrides einai
anti8etes ennoies.
>
> Polemo (kata kapoio tropo, evvow xrnsimopoinse bia), btw, ekave kai o
> Xristos stov vao kai to dexomaste. Ara uparxouv dikaioi kai adikoi polemoi.
> Epi0etikoi kai amuvtikoi. H apeleu0erwsn tns Qessalovikns ntav epi0etikos
> polemos. Tov dexomaste vai .n. oxi; Htav dikaios vai .n. oxi;
me thn tote istoria, ton dexomaste, kuriws giati mas sumferei.
o dikaios dikos sou polemos einai adikos gia ton antipalo sou kai t'anapodo.
den uparxei dikaios polemos.uparxei katapiesh, elleipsh eleu8erias,
elleipsh isonomias.
kai uparxoun kai anisorropoi pou 8eloun na kubernoun olous tous upoloipous.
>
> Ara av aurio gia kapoio logo epite0oume stnv Tourkia (0a eimaste blakes eav
> mporoume va to kataferoume diaforetika) kai eleu0erwsoume tnv Iwvia,
> kai tnv Kwvstavtivoupoln 0a eivai adikos polemos .n. dikaios;
8a einai katastrofh.
Lhda