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Elizabeth Kosmetatou
Christos N. Kyrou
Christos o Syracusios
Elizabeth Kosmetatou wrote:
> http://www10.nytimes.com/library/national/science/070400sci-archaeo-greece.h
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> Liza
Sotirios Skevoulis
to opoio einai sth deuterh grammh....
Sotiris
Elizabeth Kosmetatou
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tautoxrova, va dw to mail mou, va akousw radiofwvo, va surfarw kai va
syzntnsw me tov avtra mou tautoxrova) kai to exasa! Ftou!
Liza
Christos N. Kyrou
Christos
Sotirios Skevoulis wrote:
> Ela re Christo, apla kolla sto telos to 'tml'
> to opoio einai sth deuterh grammh....
>
> Sotiris
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Elizabeth Kosmetatou
July 4, 2000
Greek Myths: Not Necessariliy Mythical
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
either an archaeologist nor a
paleontologist herself,
Adrienne Mayor has
nonetheless done some digging
deep into the past and found
literary and artistic clues -- and not
a few huge fossils -- that seem to
explain the inspiration for many of
the giants, monsters and other
strange creatures in the mythology
of antiquity.
"I have discovered that if you take
all the places of Greek myths, those
specific locales turn out to be
abundant fossil sites," Ms. Mayor,
a classical folklorist and
independent scholar, said in an
interview. "But there is also a lot of
natural knowledge embedded in
those myths, showing that Greek
perceptions about fossils were
pretty amazing for prescientific
people."
Her years of research thus
challenge the widely held view that
natural historians in classical Greece
and Rome lacked the knowledge to
interpret large vertebrate fossils as
organic remains of the past. That
conceptual breakthrough,
representing the start of the modern
science of paleontology, was
supposedly made by the French
naturalist Georges Cuvier in 1806.
Yet much like today's fossil hunters,
Ms. Mayor found, ancient Greeks
and Romans collected and
measured the petrified bones they
encountered and displayed them in
temples and museums. They, too,
recognized fossils as evidence of
past life, now extinct, anticipating
Cuvier by more than 2,000 years.
Still, the ancients often let their
culture-bound imaginations run in
unscientific directions. In her book,
"The First Fossil Hunters:
Paleontology in Greek and Roman
Times," published in May by
Princeton University Press, Ms.
Mayor draws on a close study of
classical texts to show that some of
the more impressive and mysterious
fossils were used as evidence
supporting existing myths or
creating new ones.
The Homeric legend of Heracles
rescuing Hesione by slaying the
Monster of Troy, for example, may
have a paleontological origin. Ms.
Mayor pointed out that in the
earliest known illustration of the
Heracles legend, painted on a
Corinthian vase, the monster's skull
closely matched that of an extinct
giraffe. Such fossils are plentiful on
the Greek islands and western coast
of Turkey and are mentioned in
classical literature.
The vase painting from the sixth
century B.C., Ms. Mayor
concluded, is most likely "the
earliest artistic record of a
vertebrate fossil discovery."
Fossils found and displayed in
antiquity on the island of Samos
probably inspired the story of
savage monsters called Neades,
whose reverberating bellows were
said to tear the earth apart.
The Greeks thus had a neat
explanation for two perplexing
phenomena, the gigantic bones and
the earthquakes that frequently
devastated their land.
Other discoveries of huge mammal
bones were viewed as confirmation
of the ancient Greek belief in
ancestral heroes as 15-foot giants.
Mastodon fossils on Samos were
hailed as the remains of the war elephants Dionysus is supposed to
have
deployed in his mythic battle with the Amazons.
And where did the idea of the griffin come from? Aristeas, a
seventh-century B.C.
traveler, wrote of the gold-seeking Scythians who fought creatures
in the Gobi
Desert that resembled "lions but with the beak and wings of an
eagle." These
fierce creatures presumably nested on the ground and guarded
deposits of gold.
In reality, Ms. Mayor concluded, the griffin "was based on
illiterate nomads'
observations of dinosaur skeletons in the deserts of Central Asia."
Ms. Mayor's success in piecing together the griffin legend
encouraged her to
examine other Greek and Roman texts for "the world's oldest written
descriptions
of fossil finds," which had been overlooked by most classics
scholars and
historians of science. On a visit to Samos, she studied a rich
collection of
prehistoric bones and skulls with which the ancients must have been
familiar. She
began to put texts and fossils together and saw the ancients in a
new light.
"Just as a fossil is 'petrified time,' so is an ancient artifact or
text," she wrote. "The
tasks of paleontologists and classical historians and
archaeologists are remarkably
similar -- to excavate, decipher and bring to life the tantalizing
remnants of a time
we will never see."
Although Ms. Mayor's interpretations may draw fire from some
scholars, the
response to her book has so far been favorable. John R. Horner, a
dinosaur
paleontologist at the Museum of the Rockies in Bozeman, Mont., has
called it "the
best account ever concerning the real meaning of mythical creatures."
In a review in the journal Science, Dr. Mott T. Greene, a historian
of geology at the
University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Wash., praised Ms. Mayor's
"well-documented contention that the ancients constructed their
deep time as we
have constructed ours, through the discovery and analysis of the
fossil bones of
extinct creatures."
"If they told stories about these fossils that differ from our
own," Dr. Greene
continued, "they examined the fossils with the same techniques we
employ today:
comparative anatomy, skeletal reconstruction, paleogeography and
museum
display."
Art historians think that Ms. Mayor may well have solved the puzzle
of the
Corinthian vase depicting Heracles shooting arrows at the head of
the monster of
the Troy legend. The vase, on display at the Museum of Fine Arts in
Boston, had
mystified the experts because its monster does not conform to the
conventional
serpentine image of Greek sea monsters.
Some experts like Sir John Boardman, an art historian at Oxford
University in
England, suspected that the vase was the work of an incompetent
artist. But when
Ms. Mayor called attention to the similarity between the monster
and the skull of
an extinct giraffe, Dr. Boardman agreed and invited her to expand
on this
interpretation in an article, which was published in the February
issue of The
Oxford Journal of Archaeology.
Paleontologists also agreed that the skull of an extinct giraffe,
possibly
Samotherium, often found eroding out of rock outcrops in the
region, may have
been the artist's model and perhaps even the inspiration for the
original myth.
"This vase," Ms. Mayor wrote, "is valuable evidence for the role that
observations of fossilized animal remains played in ancient myths
of monsters."
Dr. Kate A. Robson Brown, an anthropologist at the University of
Bristol in
England, thinks that some of Ms. Mayor's fossil-myth connections
may be a
stretch. As she noted in the current issue of Natural History
magazine, "Many
cultures around the globe have colorful giant lore -- Norse fables
and Australian
creation stories come to mind -- without the benefit of rich fossil
deposits."
Ms. Mayor said her study of ancient texts revealed ample evidence
of a "bone
rush" among Greeks in the fifth century B.C.
Every discovery of huge bones, it seems, prompted speculation that
they
belonged to this hero or that giant. Many of these finds happened
to occur, Ms.
Mayor said, at places where the gods and giants of mythology had
met in battle.
She found in a second-century A.D. geography by the traveler
Pausanias an
account of the excitement created by the discovery of bones of
heroic proportions
that were taken to be those of mighty Ajax, of Trojan War legend.
"Ajax's
kneecaps were exactly the size of a discus for the boys'
pentathlon," Pausanias
wrote.
"Many scholars are not used to perceiving natural knowledge
expressed in
mythological language," Ms. Mayor said. "If the study of fossils
was not
mentioned by Aristotle or Thucydides, and it wasn't, then it just
didn't exist for
many classicists and ancient historians."
But, in a recent lecture at Cornell University, Ms. Mayor contended
that bones of
titanic mastodons at Samos inspired not just myths but
"earthshaking concepts in
early paleontological thinking."
The story of the monstrous Neades, she said, "contains the germ of
the idea of
extinction" long before Cuvier; these fossils were interpreted as
the remains of
strange, oversized creatures that lived before humans, and were no
more. In time,
after large Indian elephants became known, the myth of the Neades was
abandoned. The huge bones of Samos were then explained by invoking
the myth
of Dionysus and the war elephants in battle against the Amazons.
As Ms. Mayor said, the first myth showed that the perceptive
ancients were able
to relate a fossil species to living animals, well before modern
paleontology. The
revised myth of the war elephants showed that they were responsive
to new
zoological knowledge, adapting mythology the way scientists today
sometimes
have to reshape theory.
Christos N. Kyrou
sxetika me thn sunekseliksh periballontos-uposunhdeitou-synhdhtou, ws anafora ton
mytho! Tha xreiastei polu douleia alla blepw hdh tis prooptikes. Edw ergazomaste
(co-editing) panw sthn prosfora tou Fusikou Periballontos sthn Mythologia kai
ton rolo ths Mythologias sthn diaxeirhrsh tou periballontos. Eixame merxi twra
parei thn sumbiwsh tou lykou me ton anthrwpo san polu kalo sxetiko case-study.
Eimai polu enthousiasmenos!
Christos o Syracusios
Elizabeth Kosmetatou
>Fantastiko arthro Liza! Yperoxh h thewria ths Mayor!
Dev 3erw av exei symperilabei kai tnv istoria me to skeleto tou "Orestn"
pou episns avaferetai stn my0ologia ws mia apo tis aities tou misous meta3y
Messnviwv kai Spartiatwv. Bebaia to ar0ro twv NYT dev mporei va ta exei ola
mesa.
Auto pou me kavei emeva va avarwtiemai eivai to poso physical evidence
exei. P.x. isxyrizetai oti diatnrouvtav apoli0wmata se vaous. Exouv bre0ei
pou0eva? Avaferovtai apo kaveva istoriko syggrafea? Proswpika dev exw
akousei gia kaveva tetoio eurnma, oute exw diabasei kamia sxetikn avafora,
alla dev to exw psa3ei profavws to pragma. To movo pou exw ypopsn mou eivai
avtikeimeva pou mallov ta parousiazav se orismeva iera ws avnkovta se
my0ologika proswpa. Dev eivai sigouro apo tis epigrafes, to epibebaiwvouv
isws omws merikoi syggrafeis. Eivai mperdemevo to prama. Edw trabaw ta
mallia mou autes tis meres me tov Epameivwvda pou dev 3erw av ovtws
afierwse kati kai ti diaolo 0elei va pei n epigrafn?
Tha mas anoiksei polla fwta
>sxetika me thn sunekseliksh periballontos-uposunhdeitou-synhdhtou, ws
anafora ton
>mytho! Tha xreiastei polu douleia alla blepw hdh tis prooptikes.
Opwsdnpote. Eivai omws ndn controversial n 0ewria. Auto pou 0a mporouse
isws va tns prosferei evdei3n, alla dev 3erw av exei tis gvwseis kai ta
fovta, eivai to posa apoli0wmata exouv bre0ei stnv Ellada kai kata poso
eivai dyvatov va ta avagvwrisei ws "orgavika" (?) kataloipa tou
parel0ovtos. Kala, evas gewlogos/av0rwpologos/arxaiozwologos 0a ta
avagvwrisei snmera, omws 0a ta avagvwrize evas arxaios. P.x. emeva eprepe
va mou pei evas gewlogos gvwstos mou oti ta marmara tou saloviou mas stnv
A0nva periexouv apoli0wmeva psaria. Me tipota dev 0a ta eblepa egw,
profavws dioti dev exw spoudasei ta peri apoli0wmatwv.
Edw ergazomaste
>(co-editing) panw sthn prosfora tou Fusikou Periballontos sthn Mythologia
kai
>ton rolo ths Mythologias sthn diaxeirhrsh tou periballontos. Eixame merxi
twra
>parei thn sumbiwsh tou lykou me ton anthrwpo san polu kalo sxetiko
case-study.
>Eimai polu enthousiasmenos!
>
>Christos o Syracusios
Liza
Christos N. Kyrou
> Dev 3erw av exei symperilabei kai tnv istoria me to skeleto tou "Orestn" pou
> episns avaferetai stn my0ologia ws mia apo tis aities tou misous meta3y
> Messnviwv kai Spartiatwv. Bebaia to ar0ro twv NYT dev mporei va ta exei ola
> mesa.
To biblio ths: "The First Fossil Hunters : Paleontology in Greek and Roman
Times" to brhka sto:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0691058636/qid%3D962955208/104-3977812-9708758
opote tha kseroume perissotera apo aurio!
Epishs perissotera gia thn Adrienne Mayor
resume kai publications:
http://homestead.deja.com/user.afmayor/resume.html
Wraia parousiash me liga skitsa ktl:
http://www.dinosaur.org/bzmayor.htm
To arthro me ton Sir John Boardman einai malon to:
"The Monster of Troy Vase: The Earliest Artistic Record of a Vertebrate Fossil
Discovery?" Oxford Journal of Archaeology 19, no 1 (Feb 2000):57-63
> Edw trabaw ta mallia mou autes tis meres me tov Epameivwvda pou dev 3erw av
> ovtws
> afierwse kati kai ti diaolo 0elei va pei n epigrafn?
Kati gia thn HELLAS elpizw!
> Opwsdnpote. Eivai omws ndn controversial n 0ewria. Auto pou 0a mporouse isws
> va tns prosferei evdei3n, alla dev 3erw av exei tis gvwseis kai ta fovta,
> eivai to posa apoli0wmata exouv bre0ei stnv Ellada kai kata poso eivai
> dyvatov va ta avagvwrisei ws "orgavika" (?) kataloipa tou parel0ovtos. Kala,
> evas gewlogos/av0rwpologos/arxaiozwologos 0a ta avagvwrisei snmera, omws 0a
> ta avagvwrize evas arxaios. P.x. emeva eprepe va mou pei evas gewlogos
> gvwstos mou oti ta marmara tou saloviou mas stnv A0nva periexouv apoli0wmeva
> psaria. Me tipota dev 0a ta eblepa egw, profavws dioti dev exw spoudasei ta
> peri apoli0wmatwv.
An brethoune oi katallhloi anthrwpoi se Ellada-EU-US isws kataferoun na
trabhksoun kamia kalh xrhmatodothsh gia poio ektetamenh ereuna.
Opws kai na'xei pantos h Mayor erikse tromerh idea akomh kai an bgei patata sto
telos. Opoia thewria oti ola ta "mythika terata" katagontai apo apoluthwmata
mallon einai paratrabhgmenh. Omws h parathrhsh oti muthologika sumantikes
perioxes parousiazoun kata pleiopshfia megalo arithmo apoluthwmatwn, an
alhtheuei, tha allaksei polla, para polla... Isws na mporei na ekshghthei gia
paradeigma h proskwlhsh omadwn se sugkekrimena zwa opws o Panthhras sthn Notia
Amerikh kai o Lukos sthn Borreia Europh... tou kosmou ta kala.
Arkei thn paroune sta sobara giati synhthws tis independent scholars tis bazoun
kai ftunoun aima ta sxetika akadhmaika arpaxtika, an kai sthn prokeimenh
periptwsh fainetai oti h gunaika ta paei kala KAI sto katallhlo networking,
promotion, ktl. Mprabo ths!
> Liza
Christos o Syracusios
Elizabeth Kosmetatou
Kat' arxnv euxaristw gia ta url.
>To arthro me ton Sir John Boardman einai malon to:
>
>"The Monster of Troy Vase: The Earliest Artistic Record of a Vertebrate
Fossil
> Discovery?" Oxford Journal of Archaeology 19, no 1 (Feb 2000):57-63
>
E, dev eivai kakn idea va 3ekivaei kaveis tetoies 0ewries. Auto dev
snmaivei oti 0a prepei va 3ekivaei malakies tou typou "o Odysseas pnge stnv
Australia" basizomevos se mndev evdei3eis.
>An brethoune oi katallhloi anthrwpoi se Ellada-EU-US isws kataferoun na
>trabhksoun kamia kalh xrhmatodothsh gia poio ektetamenh ereuna.
Ap' o,ti 3erw, palaiozwologikes meletes kavouv diaforoi. Exw kai eva gvwsto
sto Field Museum of Natural History pou exei dnmosieusei poly pavw sto
0ema. Grapsame malista kai dyo ar0ra gia tis alogo0ysies stnv arxaia Ellada
kai tnv Kypro. To prwto to egrapsa egw kai meta autos egrapse sequel to
epomevo etos dioti sto meta3y eixe brei kai alla stoixeia. Auto dev
snmaivei bebaia oti egw eimai arxaiozwologos, oute kata diavoia, apo tnv
arxaiologikn tou apopsn to eida to 0ema.
Telospavtwv, apo proistorika zwa kai tetoia 3erw oti exouv bre0ei skeletoi
elefavtwv stnv Krntn, eivai omws auto pou leve "miniature elephants",
ypo0etw opws oi krntikes "miniature bananes". :-)))) Dev eimai sigourn
pavtws oti to n3erav oi arxaioi twv istorikwv xrovwv oti kapote eznsav
elefavtes stnv Krntn.
>
>Opws kai na'xei pantos h Mayor erikse tromerh idea akomh kai an bgei
patata sto
>telos. Opoia thewria oti ola ta "mythika terata" katagontai apo apoluthwmata
>mallon einai paratrabhgmenh.
Fysika, dioti me autn tn logikn 0a eprepe va psaxvoume gia to skeleto tns
Lervaias Ydras kai oi Arabes kai Tourkoi gia ta terata tou Gilgamesh.
E3artatai omws PWS exei grapsei to biblio tns n Mayor. Av grafei "o Hraklns
esfa3e tn Lervaia Ydra kai dev yparxei amfibolia oti prokeitai gia veo
eidos deivosaurou ovomati Elladodeivosauros, tote grafei arloumpes. Av omws
grafei (stnv tyxn to lew) "leei n my0ologia oti evas Messnvios brnke evav
terastio skeleto kai ype0ese oti ntav tou Orestn kai skotw0nkav meta oi
Messnvioi me tous Spartiates kai isws va eprokeito gia skeleto megalou
pi0ikou pou 1) yparxei kai 2) exouv bre0ei skeletoi tou stnv Ellada, tote
prokeitai gia para poly a3iologn paratnrnsn.
Omws h parathrhsh oti muthologika sumantikes
>perioxes parousiazoun kata pleiopshfia megalo arithmo apoluthwmatwn, an
>alhtheuei, tha allaksei polla, para polla... Isws na mporei na ekshghthei gia
>paradeigma h proskwlhsh omadwn se sugkekrimena zwa opws o Panthhras sthn
Notia
>Amerikh kai o Lukos sthn Borreia Europh... tou kosmou ta kala.
>
To 0ema eivai oti dev exw kamia apolytws idea sxetika me to ti apoli0wmata
exouv bre0ei stnv Ellada. 0a prepei va perimevw va gyrisei o kollntos mou
apo tis diakopes tou (eivai gewlogos kai asxoleitai me tetoia) kai 0a tov
rwtnsw mnpws mporei va mou systnsei kai kava biblio. Kai av eivai sta
ellnvika 0a eivai poly kaln idea.
Etsi kai kyklofornsei pavtws to biblio 0a prepei va brouv kapoiov ikavo va
grapsei tn bibliokrisia.
>Arkei thn paroune sta sobara giati synhthws tis independent scholars tis
bazoun
>kai ftunoun aima ta sxetika akadhmaika arpaxtika, an kai sthn prokeimenh
>periptwsh fainetai oti h gunaika ta paei kala KAI sto katallhlo networking,
>promotion, ktl. Mprabo ths!
>
Se auto exeis apolyto dikio. Eva allo pragma pou avtipa0ouv oi syvadelfoi
(poly kakws) eivai ta bestsellers. Yparxei p.x. evas para poly spoudaios
istorikos, ovomati Peter Green, pou exei grapsei to perifnmo biblio
"Alexander to Actium. The Historical Evolution of the Hellenistic Age" pou
eivai TO biblio gia ellnvistikn istoria. Exei grapsei episns kai mia
biografia ekeivou tou axwveutou tou Megalekou. Kai ta dyo pouliouvtai sav
trella dioti 1) eivai adyvatov va doulepsei kaveis stnv periodo autn xwris
va ta exei diabasei 2) eivai ftnva, av kai poly xovtroi tomoi kai 3) gia
kapoio logo evdiaferouv kai tous mn eidikous efosov a) to 0ema eivai
evdiaferov kai b) o Green grafei para poly wraia, av kai academic. Eva allo
problnma eivai oti o Green grafei stov eleu0ero tou xrovo kai
my0istornmata, etsi gia tnv plaka tou, ta opoia episns poulave. E, exouv
pesei merikoi va tov fave. To ti eirwvies exw dei se bibliokrisies dev
perigrafetai. Afou otav diabasa mia sygkekrimevn tou "Alexander to Actium"
se eva periodiko, mou nr0e va grapsw review article 0abovtas tous kakon0eis
giati exw mazepsei arketa apo diaforous grafikous. Profavws kai oi
katngories kai oi eirwvies ntav adikes dioti dev elege "o Green egrapse tnv
tade arloumpa" (efosov DEN eixe grapsei kamia arloumpa), alla tov
eirwveuotav dioti dnmosieuse my0istornmata. Afou o av0rwpos eivai sebastos
academic, spoudaios ka0ngntns, exei labei eva swro diakriseis, pio
mainstream dev givetai, dev ypoxrewvei kaveva va diabasei ta apavta tou,
oute mperdeuei ta my0istornmata me ta istorika tou erga, TI tous voiazei
tous malakes? Astove va grapsei kai Arlekiv ama 0elei! Ama grafei kala
istoria, emas TI mas koftei?
Ase dnladn pou eivai apo tous ligous pou 3erei TELEIA vea ellnvika kai
epomevws mporei va kavei douleia kai me tnv ellnvikn bibliografia pou
paramelouv arketoi tempelndes.
>Christos o Syracusios
>
>
Liza
Phidias Bourlas
>
> Greek Myths: Not Necessariliy Mythical
> By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Exei dnmosieutei kai stov ellnviko tupo n 8ewria autn,
alla proswpika dev mou ekave evtupwsn n idea, gia tov e3ns
logo. Dioti, aploustata, to zoumi eivai:
Ta mu8ika terata eivai terata, oi apoli8wmevoi deivosauroi
ntav terata, ara ta mu8ika terata (kai... oln n Mu8ologia [*])
eivai apoli8wmevoi deivosauroi.
Metafrazw: O astuvomikos eivai orgavo, to mpouzouki eivai
orgavo, ara o astuvomikos eivai mpouzouki.
Mpa! Me autn tnv logikn, sto katw-katw, asugkrita
perissotern epistnmovikn ereuva exei kavei kai perissotera
stoixeia sugkevtrwsei o Von Daeniken, tou opoiou ta mu8ika ovta
tou' 8umizouv e3wgnivous.
Kat' allous ta mu8ika ovta mporei va eivai proboles tou
sullogikou asuveidntou, kat' allous sumbolikes perigrafes
istorikwv gegovotwv, kat' allous apolutws pragmatikn istoria,
kat' allous kwdikopoinsn mustikns filosofias. ('H kai polla
apo ta parapavw sugxrovws.)
O Swkratns pavtws ntav polu epifulaktikos stnv ermnveia
tns Mu8ologias, stov "Faidro", opou, afou divei mia logikn
e3ngnsn gia tnv arpagn tns Wrei8uias apo tov Borea, suvexizei
legovtas oti ftavovtas meta stous kevtaurous, tis gorgoves
kai alla ovta, snkwvei ta xeria ynla kai dev exei oute tis
gvwseis oute tov xrovo gia va epixeirnsei va e3ngnsei to zntnma.
Pavtws, mia kai to efere n suzntnsn, kai asxeta toso me tis
UFOlogikes 8ewries oso kai me ta apoli8wmata, osov afora sta
mu8ologika kai mn terata kai gevikotera sta ave3ngnta kai allokota
faivomeva stnv Ellada, stnv Mu8ologia kai stis laikes paradoseis
kai oxi movo, givetai arketn ereuva stnv Ellada teleutaia.
Proxeira 8umamai tria toulaxistov evdiaferovta biblia gia to
8ema, ta opoia ekdo8nkav movo tov teleutaio xrovo.
[*] Avefere edw kati sxetiko n Liza, to opoio deixvei pou'
eivai n pare3ngnsn. Allo va peis oti brnkav evav gigavtiaio
skeleto oi arxaioi kai tov apedwsav stov mu8iko gigavta
Orestn, ki allo va peis oti oi arxaioi _efnurav_ tov Orestn,
gia va e3ngnsouv tov gigavtiaio gorilo-skeleto pou brnkav.
Eav stnv sugkekrimevn meletn upoboskei autn n teleutaia
aparadektn upo8esn, tote uparxei problnma.
F.M.
Christos N. Kyrou
> Telospavtwv, apo proistorika zwa kai tetoia 3erw oti exouv bre0ei skeletoi
> elefavtwv stnv Krntn, eivai omws auto pou leve "miniature elephants", ypo0etw
> opws oi krntikes "miniature bananes". :-)))) Dev eimai sigourn pavtws oti to
> n3erav oi arxaioi twv istorikwv xrovwv oti kapote eznsav elefavtes stnv Krntn.
Loipon brhka to biblio kai mou arese perissotero apo oti perimena. H Mayor exei
sugkentrwsei istorika ntokoumenta ws anafora thn Palaiozwologia sthn Ellhnikh kai
Rwmaikh periodo, apo ta Omhrika xronia mexri Kaligoules kai den sumazeuetai. Einai
euanagnwsto kai endiaferon oxi mono gia palaiozwologous alla kai gia to "eury
koino."
> Yparxei p.x. evas para poly spoudaios istorikos, ovomati Peter Green, pou exei
> grapsei to perifnmo biblio
> "Alexander to Actium. The Historical Evolution of the Hellenistic Age" pou eivai
> TO biblio gia ellnvistikn istoria.
To agaphmeno mou biblio! S'olh mou th zwh prospathousa na katalabw ti diaolo egine
meta ton thanato tou Aleksandrou mexri pou diabasa to "Alexander to Actium" kai
mou anoikse oloklhros kosmos mprosta mou. o Ellhnistikos kosmos ton opoio den eixa
brei sto sxoleio para san uposhmeiwsh. To pleon agaphmeno mou komati tou bibliou
einai opou perigrafei ligo ws polu thn genhsh ths monternas "academias" kata thn
diarkeia ths neo-Ptolemaikhs Alexandrias (pp. 87-91) me epikentro thn Megalh
Bibliothhkh. Auto to komati to exw tsekarismeno gia na to kwlaw sth mourh twn
diaforwn "-arwn" sumperilambanomenwn kai twn "Ellhnarwn" fusika, san apodeixtiko
oti ta lamprotera kefalaia tou Ellhnismou grastikan ektws ths "shmerinhs" Elladas.
Mou ekane epishs entupwsh otan eirthe sto Syracuse o Raymond Cohen apo to Tel Aviv
kai tou prosfera copia tou bibliou -dwro gia logariasmo ths Pan-makedonikhs. Ekane
san mikro paidi kai mou esteile argotera makroskeles sugkinhtiko gramma me tis
entypwseis tou kai to poshn wra (malon meres) tou phre na ana diorganwsei thn
bibliothhkh tou gia na to balei me uperhfaneia sto kainourgio tou "section" peri
Hellinistikhs Periodou!!!
> Exei grapsei episns kai mia biografia ekeivou tou axwveutou tou Megalekou.
Auto mou ksefuge.. alla to brhka !
> Astove va grapsei kai Arlekiv ama 0elei! Ama grafei kala istoria, emas TI mas
> koftei?
Eixe rwthsei kapoios ton Kissinger poio xwro brhkei poio duskolo genika... thn
akadhmia .h. thn politikh?
O Kissinger dialekse thn acadhmia giati opws eipe "uparxei tosos xronos
diathesimos wste o kathenas trwgetai gia ashmanta kai anti-paragwgika zhthmata.
Sthn politikh toulaxiston uparxei h piesh gia grhgora apotelesmata." Ma thn
alhtheia, exw sunanthsei akadhmaikou pou fakelwnoun oloklhro department me tetoiou
eidous papares....kai tha afhnane ton P. Green na grafei .....
.....mythistorhmata???
> Liza
Christos o Syracusios