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Spyros Dascaleas  
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 More options Aug 14 1997, 3:00 am
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From: Spyros Dascaleas <scy...@NETCOMUK.CO.UK>
Date: 1997/08/14
Subject: Re: EBROS h EYROS

At 18:29 14/08/97 +0300, S.M wrote:

Den katalabainw ka8oloy ta epixeirhmata soy file s.m. 'H mhpws den einai
epixeirhmata kai apla prospa8eis na kalypseis ta nwta soy meta apo to
mynhma me ton 'Eyro'; Ap' o,ti katalaba, telos pantwn, les pws prepei na
frontizoyme thn moysoylmanikh meionothta ths 8rakhs (kai, fantazomai, oles
tis meionothtes ths Elladas, px th Brazilianikh twn A8hnwn) gia 'na
e3asfalizoyme thn eley8eria toys toso wste na gyrisoyn pisw'... Ma giati na
gyrisoyn pisw; Kai poy einai to pisw epiteloys; Fantazomai pws
katalabaineis pws aytoi oi an8rwpoi exoyn gennh8ei, megalwsei kai zhsei
sthn Ellada. Bebaia, otan leme 'Ellas Ellhnwn Xristianwn', den to leme gia
plaka, opoios de goystarei 'h den kolaei me ta goysta mas, na shkw8ei na
paei apo kei poy hr8an oi papoydes toy. Den eimaste kala...

Kai kati allo sxetika ma meionothtes... Exeis katalabei pws, 3erw gw, to
99% twn atomwn poy grafei sthn hellas einai melh ths Ellhnikhs meionothtas
sthn xwra opoy zoyn; An 3eshkwnontan dhladh oi Bretanoi ki elegan pws
8eloyn na gyrisoyn sta idanika toy 12oy aiwna kai kleinoyn tis portes stoys
metanastes, ti 8a eleges tote;

>Giati emeis tipota den fovomaste. Allwste, me ekeines,=20
>tis alles politikes ( pou oydepote bebaia yphrksan poly=20
>sklhres, ths plakas htane kai fysika den sygkrinontai=20
>me tis politikes ths Tourkias me tous Kourdous as=20
>poume ), eidame pou katalhksame.=20
>Kai kati teleytaio. Mazy me thn Tsiler pane ki ola=20
>ekeina ta sxedia tou Pantourkismou - ta thymaste? -=20
>me ta opoia koimotan to koritsi kai ksypnouse. Pou=20
>gyrnwntas ologyra to blemma ths eblepe pantou=20
>Toyrkous. Apetyxe ki apetyxan ta sxedia oiktra
>ki ante twra na ta anasthsoun pali se 200 xronia -=20
>alla tote den tha yparxei Toyrkia etsi pou thn=20
>kseroume, monokomath.=20
>Stefanos=20

Oso gia to an apetyxan ta sxedia ths Ciller, na soy episthsw thn prosoxh
oti DEN htan sxedia ths Ciller. H e3wterikh politikh ths Toyrkias den
dhmioyrgeitai apo ton / thn ekastote prw8ypoyrgo. Adiabastos eisai sto
8ema. An htan toso eykolo na ypar3ei filia meta3y Elladas - Toyrkias, 8a
hmastan oloi poly pio eytyxismenoi

>Eida pws merikoi grafoun pws to Eyros einai grammeno=20
>" anorthografa " kai to swsto einai Ebros. Ma ti lete?=20
>Exoun twra kai orthografia ta greeklish? Egw nomiza=20
>pws htane symbola ths anagkhs kai ths plakas, etsi gia=20
>na psilosynenogiomaste. Apekthsan twra ki orthografia
>kai syntaktiko ?=20
>Eyros h Ebros to swsto einai mono  =C5=E2=F1=EF=F2  kai malista=20
>me to pneyma tou to potami kai ton tono.=20

To Ebros to egrapses anor8ografa. Teleia kai payla... Kai ta blaxofraggika
PANTA eixan or8ografia, gi'ayto grafeis 'pneyma' kia oxi 'pnefma', kai
'egw' ki oxi 'ego'.=20
-
Spyros

"Den yparxei pneymatikos hrwismos" - Manolhs Anagnwstakhs


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S.M  
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 More options Aug 14 1997, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
From: "S.M" <melis...@FREEMAIL.GR>
Date: 1997/08/14
Subject: EBROS h EYROS

Sxetika me thn katagwgh twn mousoulmanikwn=20
plhthysmwn ths Thrakhs.=20
Asfalws kai den einai Tourkoi. Alla exei ayto=20
kammia shmasia? Shmasia exei mono ti theloun=20
na einai, ti noiwthoun pws einai. Kai polloi=20
ap aytous, noiwthoun kai theloun na einai=20
Tourkoi ki einai dikaiwma tous.=20
Gi ayto as opswntai ekeinoi oi exypnoi kai oi=20
politikes tous. Ki as opswntai ki aytoi pou twra=20
exoun analabei thn ypoxrewsh - ki osoi t=20
arpaxane ki afhsane pisw tous misoteleiwmena=20
mpeta, taxa ergostasia kai poleis. Einai gnwstoi=20
oi enoxoi kai tote kai twra.=20
Ta idia den eginan sthn Boulgaria? Kai oi Boulgaroi=20
tote tou Zifkov tous eipane - oriste, ta synora=20
einai anoixta. Kai kseshkwthikane oi anthrwpoi=20
me ta mpogalakia tous, phgan, eidan ton tourkiko=20
paradeiso kai ksanagyrisan pisw oi perissoteroi.=20
An thelei loipon kapoios na leei kai na noiwthei=20
Tourkos, megia tou kai xara tou ki exei kathe=20
dikaiwma na to kanei. Kai na pshfizei kai na=20
xei bouleytes kai na leei pws anhkei se meionothta.=20
( Asxetws an reoun oi lires tou Tourkikou=20
Prokseneiou ) .=20
Kai ypoxrewsh dikia mas einai mono ayth. Na=20
fiaxnoume sxoleia kai panepisthmia kai na frontizoume=20
gia thn ygeia twn anthrwpwn aytwn kai gia ta=20
dikaiwmata tous, ths ergasias kai ths paideias kai=20
ths kalliergeias kai na exasfalizoume thn eleytheria=20
tous toso, wste na gyrisoun pisw.=20
Giati emeis tipota den fovomaste. Allwste, me ekeines,=20
tis alles politikes ( pou oydepote bebaia yphrksan poly=20
sklhres, ths plakas htane kai fysika den sygkrinontai=20
me tis politikes ths Tourkias me tous Kourdous as=20
poume ), eidame pou katalhksame.=20
Kai kati teleytaio. Mazy me thn Tsiler pane ki ola=20
ekeina ta sxedia tou Pantourkismou - ta thymaste? -=20
me ta opoia koimotan to koritsi kai ksypnouse. Pou=20
gyrnwntas ologyra to blemma ths eblepe pantou=20
Toyrkous. Apetyxe ki apetyxan ta sxedia oiktra
ki ante twra na ta anasthsoun pali se 200 xronia -=20
alla tote den tha yparxei Toyrkia etsi pou thn=20
kseroume, monokomath.=20
Stefanos=20

Eida pws merikoi grafoun pws to Eyros einai grammeno=20
" anorthografa " kai to swsto einai Ebros. Ma ti lete?=20
Exoun twra kai orthografia ta greeklish? Egw nomiza=20
pws htane symbola ths anagkhs kai ths plakas, etsi gia=20
na psilosynenogiomaste. Apekthsan twra ki orthografia
kai syntaktiko ?=20
Eyros h Ebros to swsto einai mono  =C5=E2=F1=EF=F2  kai malista=20
me to pneyma tou to potami kai ton tono.=20


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 More options Aug 15 1997, 3:00 am
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From: "S.M" <melis...@FREEMAIL.GR>
Date: 1997/08/15
Subject: Re: EBROS h EYROS

At 10:01 AM 8/14/97 +0100, Spyros Dascaleas wrote:

>Den katalabainw ka8oloy ta epixeirhmata soy file s.m. 'H mhpws den einai
>epixeirhmata kai apla prospa8eis na kalypseis ta nwta soy meta apo to
>mynhma me ton 'Eyro';=20

Den eimai egw aytos pou egrapse to arxiko mynhma=20
peri " Eyroy ". Alla kai ekeinos pou to grapse allo=20
hthele na pei ki allo eipe kai to pe agarmpa.=20

>Ap' o,ti katalaba, telos pantwn, les pws prepei na
>frontizoyme thn moysoylmanikh meionothta ths 8rakhs (kai, fantazomai, oles
>tis meionothtes ths Elladas, px th Brazilianikh twn A8hnwn)=20

nai, kai aythn opws kai kathe meionothta, ethnikh h allh, h=20
meionothta me bash thn anagkh, to xrwma, thn sexoualikh=20
idiaiterothta, tous tyflous, tous meiwpes, tous skourous,=20
aytous pou exoun platypodia ki ekeinous pou tous aresei para=20
poly to krooul kai eidikotera thn apolyth meionothta tou=20
kathe proswpou asxeta me ton tropo pou to kathe proswpo
goustarei na aytoprosdiorizetai. Gia na noiwthoume thn=20
xwra mas sa to spiti mas.=20

gia 'na

>e3asfalizoyme thn eley8eria toys toso wste na gyrisoyn pisw'... Ma giati na
>gyrisoyn pisw; Kai poy einai to pisw epiteloys; Fantazomai pws
>katalabaineis pws aytoi oi an8rwpoi exoyn gennh8ei, megalwsei kai zhsei
>sthn Ellada. Bebaia, otan leme 'Ellas Ellhnwn Xristianwn', den to leme gia
>plaka, opoios de goystarei 'h den kolaei me ta goysta mas, na shkw8ei na
>paei apo kei poy hr8an oi papoydes toy. Den eimaste kala...

Ellas Ellhnwn Xristianwn -  mazy me to=20
" opoios goustarei h den kollaei me ta gousta mas ", den einai=20
oute Ellas, oute Ellhnwn , oute Xristianwn.=20
To Ellas Ellhnwn Xristianwn etsi diatypwmeno einai ths=20
xountas file, ksereis, ekeinwn pou poulhsan thn Kypro.=20
Opoios noiwthei alhthina kai tis treis aytes lexeis den=20
ksexwrizei tous anthrwpous symfwna me ta gousta tou, oute=20
syumfwna me ta gousta twn pollwn. =20

>Kai kati allo sxetika ma meionothtes... Exeis katalabei pws, 3erw gw, to
>99% twn atomwn poy grafei sthn hellas einai melh ths Ellhnikhs meionothtas
>sthn xwra opoy zoyn; An 3eshkwnontan dhladh oi Bretanoi ki elegan pws
>8eloyn na gyrisoyn sta idanika toy 12oy aiwna kai kleinoyn tis portes stoys
>metanastes, ti 8a eleges tote;

Ti tha elega?=20

To oti den hmoun egw to pame. Kai ta flaxofraggika pou ta les=20
DEN einai glwssa kai DEN exoun orthografia.=20
Xrhsimopoioume ta symbola tou latinikou alfabhtou gia na=20
metaferoume tous hxous ths ellhnikhs kai malista etsi opws=20
thn milame ki oxi etsi opws thn grafoume.=20
Teleia kai payla. Twra esy prostheteis oti panta eixan? Dhladh?=20
Brethikan epigrafes me Greeklish stis Mykhnes?=20

Xronia polla - ayrio einai ths Panagias.=20

Stefanos=20


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Kosmas  
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 More options Aug 17 1997, 3:00 am
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From: Kosmas <kosma...@IDT.NET>
Date: 1997/08/17
Subject: Re: EBROS h EYROS

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, S.M wrote:
> nai, kai aythn opws kai kathe meionothta, ethnikh h allh, h
> meionothta me bash thn anagkh, to xrwma, thn sexoualikh
> idiaiterothta, tous tyflous, tous meiwpes, tous skourous,
> aytous pou exoun platypodia ki ekeinous pou tous aresei para
> poly to krooul kai eidikotera thn apolyth meionothta tou
> kathe proswpou asxeta me ton tropo pou to kathe proswpo
> goustarei na aytoprosdiorizetai. Gia na noiwthoume thn
> xwra mas sa to spiti mas.

Nai alla ama e3asfalistei tetoi merimva kai tetoia isotnta meta3u
upar3ewv se mia xwra opws n dikn sou, kai to kavei kai n alln n para
dipla, kai meta oles, tote ti idiaitero 0a uparxei va diaforopoiei
tn ka0e xwra;  Giati va uparxei xwra dnladn av n isotnta eivai die0vns;

> Ellas Ellhnwn Xristianwn -  mazy me to
> " opoios goustarei h den kollaei me ta gousta mas ", den einai
> oute Ellas, oute Ellhnwn , oute Xristianwn.

Nai auto lew ki egw.

> Kai ta flaxofraggika pou ta les
> DEN einai glwssa kai DEN exoun orthografia.

Simfovo' apolitos!

> Xrhsimopoioume ta symbola tou latinikou alfabhtou gia na
> metaferoume tous hxous ths ellhnikhs kai malista etsi opws
> thn milame ki oxi etsi opws thn grafoume.

Ma gia pio logo va uparxei kai diaforopoinsn;  Giati alla va milame
kai alla va grafoume;  O stoxos mas eivai n epikoivwvia, etsi dev eivai;
Otav uparxei epikoivwvia me kapoiov kwdika, opoios va'vai autos, kai
av dev exoume sta xeria mas kalutero ergaleio ap'auto, giati va
diorgavwvoume vomo0esies pavw sto 0ema twv ergaleiwv epikoivwvias;
Suvn0ws ta problnmata epikoivwvias uparxouv tote otav kapoios de 0elei
va dextei kati pou akouei/diabazei giati dev teriazei stis katngorioules
pou exei ftia3ei sto mualo tou.  Eivai sav va tou xarizouv eva kavape
kai epeidn de xwraei stn gkarsoviera tou avaptnsei 0ewries gia tn
lav0asmevn kataskeun kavapedewv.

> Stefanos

E3w brexei, mesa potizw ta louloudia, afou 0a'xei liakada aurio
giati va mou koyouv to reuma;

KoZmas   >>>>>------>


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