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EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 17, 2012, 10:41:25 AM5/17/12
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From: "Aviva Wasser" <aviva...@gmail.com>
I have a strange question. What is the advantage of using a
course management system for an asynchronous course over sending out all
instructions, readings and assignments via email and using external wikis
and nings for students to post assignments?
Thank you,
--
*Aviva Wasser*
* Doctoral Fellow: Azrieli Graduate School of Jewish Education and
Administration*
*aviva...@gmail.com*
*732 659-0613*
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SIGNOFF EDTECH
I have a strange question. What is the advantage of using a
course management system for an asynchronous course over sending out all
instructions, readings and assignments via email and using external wikis
and nings for students to post assignments?
Thank you,
--
*Aviva Wasser*
* Doctoral Fellow: Azrieli Graduate School of Jewish Education and
Administration*
*aviva...@gmail.com*
*732 659-0613*
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EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:48:02 AM5/18/12
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From: "Billy Edgerton" <bedg...@trisd.esc2.net>
Hi Aviva,
The big disadvantage that I can think of quickly is a lack of discussion
capabilities and for the student a lack of a grade book to see your
progress.
Billy Edgerton
Technology Applications Teacher
Three Rivers High School
bedg...@trisd.esc2.net
361-786-3531 x. 412
361-786-3533 (fax)
Hi Aviva,
The big disadvantage that I can think of quickly is a lack of discussion
capabilities and for the student a lack of a grade book to see your
progress.
Billy Edgerton
Technology Applications Teacher
Three Rivers High School
bedg...@trisd.esc2.net
361-786-3531 x. 412
361-786-3533 (fax)
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:48:09 AM5/18/12
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From: "Mara M. Gust" <MMG...@greenbush.k12.mn.us>
I would say first of all that everything is in one place. It depends on
the age of the students, I suppose. It also requires them to log in and/or
set up an account in only one place.
It might depend on the goals of your course. If exposing the students to
different tools/nings/wikis is a goal, then do it that way. I have taken
and given classes using Moodle and really like how all of my content is
organized and in one place.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Mara Gust
Spanish and Computers
Greenbush-Middle River School
401 Park Ave, PO Box 70
Greenbush, MN 56726
Phone 218-782-2232 ext. 217
GMR School Website
Mrs. Mara Gust Teacher Page
I would say first of all that everything is in one place. It depends on
the age of the students, I suppose. It also requires them to log in and/or
set up an account in only one place.
It might depend on the goals of your course. If exposing the students to
different tools/nings/wikis is a goal, then do it that way. I have taken
and given classes using Moodle and really like how all of my content is
organized and in one place.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Mara Gust
Spanish and Computers
Greenbush-Middle River School
401 Park Ave, PO Box 70
Greenbush, MN 56726
Phone 218-782-2232 ext. 217
GMR School Website
Mrs. Mara Gust Teacher Page
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:48:28 AM5/18/12
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From: "David Marcovitz" <Ma...@loyola.edu>
The more different things you throw at them, the harder it is to keep
track. You mentioned email, wikis, and nings. All of those things are
valuable, but you need some kind of home base. The course management
system doesn't have to be the home base, but students will get confused if
they have to check one thing today, another thing tomorrow, and a
different thing the next day. Additionally, email gets pretty
overwhelming. If students are getting too many emails, they will begin to
tune out the emails as well. Think about where is the one place they can
go to know what is going on. That one place might link to assignments on
different platforms, but at least they can check that home base to know
which platform to visit today.
--David
--
David M. Marcovitz, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Educational Technology Director
Department of Education Specialties
Loyola University Maryland
mailto:ma...@loyola.edu
http://www.marcovitz.com/
The more different things you throw at them, the harder it is to keep
track. You mentioned email, wikis, and nings. All of those things are
valuable, but you need some kind of home base. The course management
system doesn't have to be the home base, but students will get confused if
they have to check one thing today, another thing tomorrow, and a
different thing the next day. Additionally, email gets pretty
overwhelming. If students are getting too many emails, they will begin to
tune out the emails as well. Think about where is the one place they can
go to know what is going on. That one place might link to assignments on
different platforms, but at least they can check that home base to know
which platform to visit today.
--David
--
David M. Marcovitz, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, Educational Technology Director
Department of Education Specialties
Loyola University Maryland
mailto:ma...@loyola.edu
http://www.marcovitz.com/
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:48:36 AM5/18/12
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From: "Jim Beal" <be...@somonauk.net>
I believe that it is easier for students and teachers to go to one place
to get everything - discussion boards, e-mail access, videos, grade book,
etc.
It also allows the administration to observe classroom behaviors for
faculty evaluation. Some systems, such AIU (where I am an adjunct) also
track student attendance.
James Beal, Ed.D.
Director of Technology
Somonauk Community Unit School District #432
501 West Market Street
Somonauk, IL 60552
815-498-2314 x240
Education is not what you think you have learned but how you have learned
to think.
I believe that it is easier for students and teachers to go to one place
to get everything - discussion boards, e-mail access, videos, grade book,
etc.
It also allows the administration to observe classroom behaviors for
faculty evaluation. Some systems, such AIU (where I am an adjunct) also
track student attendance.
James Beal, Ed.D.
Director of Technology
Somonauk Community Unit School District #432
501 West Market Street
Somonauk, IL 60552
815-498-2314 x240
Education is not what you think you have learned but how you have learned
to think.
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:49:02 AM5/18/12
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From: "Russell, Ken" <Ken.R...@bellinghamschools.org>
The difference is huge. You could probably do most (not all) things that a
course management system does with a variety of other online applications,
but that is exactly what you would be doing--using half a dozen different
applications, all with different interfaces, instead of using one
integrated system with one interface. Every student would need to create
an account for each of these applications.
But course management systems has many features that will just not be
available to you with individual applications that are not designed for
course management. There are many examples, just a few include:
· A variety of methods for course registration
· Integrated online gradebook
· A high degree of control over online assignment submission
· Instructor ability of “renew” the course (empty student data and
set up course for next term with minimal work)
· The list goes on
There is really no comparison, course management systems way less work for
managing a course when compared to juggling a variety of online
applications. I’m a big moodle fan, the software is free, to boot!
Ken Russell
Bellingham Schools
The difference is huge. You could probably do most (not all) things that a
course management system does with a variety of other online applications,
but that is exactly what you would be doing--using half a dozen different
applications, all with different interfaces, instead of using one
integrated system with one interface. Every student would need to create
an account for each of these applications.
But course management systems has many features that will just not be
available to you with individual applications that are not designed for
course management. There are many examples, just a few include:
· A variety of methods for course registration
· Integrated online gradebook
· A high degree of control over online assignment submission
· Instructor ability of “renew” the course (empty student data and
set up course for next term with minimal work)
· The list goes on
There is really no comparison, course management systems way less work for
managing a course when compared to juggling a variety of online
applications. I’m a big moodle fan, the software is free, to boot!
Ken Russell
Bellingham Schools
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:49:09 AM5/18/12
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From: "Peshette, Alix" <apes...@placercoe.k12.ca.us>
Hi Aviva,
I think the advantages of an LMS are:
An LMS provides a content storage area where students can download
materials that might not be accessible through email.
An LMS has an online grade book that provides a lot of automation in
collecting assignments and notifying teachers and students.
Password protected LMS systems provide much of the fair use protections
that one has in a traditional face-2-face classroom.
That being said, there are lots ways to run asynchronous online courses
using a variety of online free products. The big advantage to an LMS is
that everything is bundled and compatible. The downside is that an LMS
costs a lot of money and requires backend tech management.
Just my 2 cents worth,,,
-Alix
Alix E. Peshette
Coordinator - Digital Learning
and Instructional Technology
Placer County Office of Education
360 Nevada St. Auburn, CA. 95603 USA
530-745-1495 Cell: 530-401-4037
Blackboard Administrator
Google Certified Teacher
www.alixpeshette.edublogs.org
www.twitter.com/AlixPeshette
www.delicious.com/artfully
www.linkedin.com/in/alixpeshette
"Technology – opening minds with a new set of keys"
Hi Aviva,
I think the advantages of an LMS are:
An LMS provides a content storage area where students can download
materials that might not be accessible through email.
An LMS has an online grade book that provides a lot of automation in
collecting assignments and notifying teachers and students.
Password protected LMS systems provide much of the fair use protections
that one has in a traditional face-2-face classroom.
That being said, there are lots ways to run asynchronous online courses
using a variety of online free products. The big advantage to an LMS is
that everything is bundled and compatible. The downside is that an LMS
costs a lot of money and requires backend tech management.
Just my 2 cents worth,,,
-Alix
Alix E. Peshette
Coordinator - Digital Learning
and Instructional Technology
Placer County Office of Education
360 Nevada St. Auburn, CA. 95603 USA
530-745-1495 Cell: 530-401-4037
Blackboard Administrator
Google Certified Teacher
www.alixpeshette.edublogs.org
www.twitter.com/AlixPeshette
www.delicious.com/artfully
www.linkedin.com/in/alixpeshette
"Technology – opening minds with a new set of keys"
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:49:17 AM5/18/12
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From: "Kristen Walker" <kwa...@sbceo.org>
Here are some of the possible advantages (btw, Moodle is the course
management system I am thinking of because that is what I have the most
experience with):
#1) You can re-use your course more easily if you use a course management
system.
#2) A course management system is a complete and integrated solution meaning
that when someone posts to a forum, an assignment is created, etc. the
emails come from the course management system.
#3) It's much easier to to export your course, share with another person,
create another similar course, etc. with a course management system.
#4) More features like quizzes, chats, and other specialized modules to
support online learning with a course management system than you would get
with a wiki or Ning site.
#5) Less work for the instructor. The integrated nature of a course
management system and the fact that it was built specifically for online
learning means it would likely be less work to use that than patching
together a hybrid solution with a ning and wiki.
That said, I have taken an online course that was simply a password
protected blog and it was a wonderful experience. If you are doing
something fairly simple, I think it's unnecessary to use a course management
system. But, for anything that is more complex, especially something that
you may want to re-use, I think a course management system would be the
better option.
-Kristen
--
Kristen Walker
Digital Media Resources Developer
Instructional Media Services
Santa Barbara County Education Office
4400 Cathedral Oaks Road
P.O. Box 6307
Santa Barbara, CA 93160-6307
(805)964-4711 ext. 5244/FAX (805)683-3597
Twitter: @kwalkersb
kwa...@sbceo.org
http://www.sbceoportal.org
Here are some of the possible advantages (btw, Moodle is the course
management system I am thinking of because that is what I have the most
experience with):
#1) You can re-use your course more easily if you use a course management
system.
#2) A course management system is a complete and integrated solution meaning
that when someone posts to a forum, an assignment is created, etc. the
emails come from the course management system.
#3) It's much easier to to export your course, share with another person,
create another similar course, etc. with a course management system.
#4) More features like quizzes, chats, and other specialized modules to
support online learning with a course management system than you would get
with a wiki or Ning site.
#5) Less work for the instructor. The integrated nature of a course
management system and the fact that it was built specifically for online
learning means it would likely be less work to use that than patching
together a hybrid solution with a ning and wiki.
That said, I have taken an online course that was simply a password
protected blog and it was a wonderful experience. If you are doing
something fairly simple, I think it's unnecessary to use a course management
system. But, for anything that is more complex, especially something that
you may want to re-use, I think a course management system would be the
better option.
-Kristen
--
Kristen Walker
Digital Media Resources Developer
Instructional Media Services
Santa Barbara County Education Office
4400 Cathedral Oaks Road
P.O. Box 6307
Santa Barbara, CA 93160-6307
(805)964-4711 ext. 5244/FAX (805)683-3597
Twitter: @kwalkersb
kwa...@sbceo.org
http://www.sbceoportal.org
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:49:24 AM5/18/12
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From: "Diane McCormack" <dmcco...@affton.k12.mo.us>
A course management system allows students to submit assignments to
the system. All the assignments in one spot for the grader. You can
mark grades in the management system and it will tally the entire
course. Other methods require you to enter grades somewhere else to
be tallied (spreadsheet?) Course management system also comes with
it's own discussion board and contact system for members.
Diane McCormack
Technology Facilitator
Rogers Middle School
7550 Mackenzie Road
St. Louis, MO 63123
(314) 351-9679 ext. 12016
voice mail: 12530
One of the most feared expressions in modern times is "The computer
is down." --Norman Augustine
A course management system allows students to submit assignments to
the system. All the assignments in one spot for the grader. You can
mark grades in the management system and it will tally the entire
course. Other methods require you to enter grades somewhere else to
be tallied (spreadsheet?) Course management system also comes with
it's own discussion board and contact system for members.
Diane McCormack
Technology Facilitator
Rogers Middle School
7550 Mackenzie Road
St. Louis, MO 63123
(314) 351-9679 ext. 12016
voice mail: 12530
One of the most feared expressions in modern times is "The computer
is down." --Norman Augustine
EDTECH Editor-Hogan
May 18, 2012, 11:49:31 AM5/18/12
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From: "levnew" <lev...@gmail.com>
Question: why send the info out via email? I use a wiki for all those
things plus assignment turn in. (Finals are the only things emailed.) You
can track turn in times as well as changes.... We also have set up student
portfolios. For very little money you can make it private (invitees only)
and lock pages (instructions.)
Linda Newell, PhD
University of Texas - Brownsville
Question: why send the info out via email? I use a wiki for all those
things plus assignment turn in. (Finals are the only things emailed.) You
can track turn in times as well as changes.... We also have set up student
portfolios. For very little money you can make it private (invitees only)
and lock pages (instructions.)
Linda Newell, PhD
University of Texas - Brownsville
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