was nasal bridges, now battles for our kids
Sandra J. Dodd
<so sticky! Our district is GREAT! My battles have been far and few between.
< But some of the families I have accompanied to meetings have "suffered"
<greatly, as have their children, not only because of lack of services, but
<more often because of attitude. It's really sad.
i just would like to add my 2 cents here...we all agree that sometimes districts
are great and sometimes they are not.
my interpretation was that parents need to sometimes go that extra mile for
their kids and buck the system. yes, it takes emotional
and sometimes financial means, but sometimes parents are willing to stop when
they first are denied a service for their child.
not all parents even consider due process or mediation. not all parents even
think to sit down and send a letter to further support
their case. sometimes its lack of effort, sometimes its lack of skill or
expertise, etc.
attitude also plays a part. being professional at a meeting when your child's
education or services is on the line is not always
easy or something that every parent feels up to.
however, i feel by going that extra mile, our kids surely will lose out. this
doesn't mean that i judge parents for choosing not to pursue
services, etc. for their child, but i would rather not listen to them complain
that they could not get what their child needed if they have chosen
not to make the attempt to get those services.
i agree there comes a time when a parent might have to concede for a multitude
of reasons, but i also know that there are many
parents who don't even attempt the battle.
hope this makes some sense!
sandy
mom to erick (4, ds) and his 2 big sisters
timm
I have yet to have someone tell me or cindy, no at an iep meeting,
If you know the laws and how they pertain to your childs rights, there
is no reason for you not to get what you want.
Sure they may frown and try to buck the system and get around it but
the bottom line is, if it is your childs right then so be it.
I for one will go to battle for anyones child for services, and I do
Win.
when Mattie was still in Early Intervention, his program did not have
one of his required services available in the county.
I told them that is not my problem, this service is in his IFSP, and
you will provide it. The closest provider was some 4 hours away. I
told them they will provide for Mattie to attend, they will pay
mileage and all expenses to take him. Including time off work for me
or Cindy etc etc.....And they had absolutely no recourse but to
provide what I had demanded.
so what Im trying to say is stand firm, read up and know your rights,
they are on your side not the administrations. (Or as I call them
Management, lololol). dont let them bully or tell you this isnt
available or that costs too much money. If you want it stand firm put
it in your IEP or IFSP. and then when they say, a week later we cant
provide this, you say yes you will it is written on this little piece
of paper, (IEP,IFSP).
Oh yea, having a few years of Union Rep experience is a big plus.
Best regards,
timm
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Wednesday, September 08, 1999, 10:04:41 AM, you wrote:
Sandra J. Dodd> <If we're going into mediation/due process, the kid has already lost. It gets
Sandra J. Dodd> <so sticky! Our district is GREAT! My battles have been far and few between.
Sandra J. Dodd> < But some of the families I have accompanied to meetings have "suffered"
Sandra J. Dodd> <greatly, as have their children, not only because of lack of services, but
Sandra J. Dodd> <more often because of attitude. It's really sad.
Sandra J. Dodd> i just would like to add my 2 cents here...we all agree that sometimes districts
Sandra J. Dodd> are great and sometimes they are not.
Sandra J. Dodd> my interpretation was that parents need to sometimes go that extra mile for
Sandra J. Dodd> their kids and buck the system. yes, it takes emotional
Sandra J. Dodd> and sometimes financial means, but sometimes parents are willing to stop when
Sandra J. Dodd> they first are denied a service for their child.
Sandra J. Dodd> not all parents even consider due process or mediation. not all parents even
Sandra J. Dodd> think to sit down and send a letter to further support
Sandra J. Dodd> their case. sometimes its lack of effort, sometimes its lack of skill or
Sandra J. Dodd> expertise, etc.
Sandra J. Dodd> attitude also plays a part. being professional at a meeting when your child's
Sandra J. Dodd> education or services is on the line is not always
Sandra J. Dodd> easy or something that every parent feels up to.
Sandra J. Dodd> however, i feel by going that extra mile, our kids surely will lose out. this
Sandra J. Dodd> doesn't mean that i judge parents for choosing not to pursue
Sandra J. Dodd> services, etc. for their child, but i would rather not listen to them complain
Sandra J. Dodd> that they could not get what their child needed if they have chosen
Sandra J. Dodd> not to make the attempt to get those services.
Sandra J. Dodd> i agree there comes a time when a parent might have to concede for a multitude
Sandra J. Dodd> of reasons, but i also know that there are many
Sandra J. Dodd> parents who don't even attempt the battle.
Sandra J. Dodd> hope this makes some sense!
Sandra J. Dodd> sandy
Sandra J. Dodd> mom to erick (4, ds) and his 2 big sisters
Toni Slowinski
Toni
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writes:
timm
Hi TSlow...@AOL.COM,
hmmmm
Imagine that,
It probably has something to do with you burning your
Broom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best regards,
timm
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Wednesday, September 08, 1999, 3:36:47 PM, you wrote:
Toni Slowinski> Whoa!! Timm and I agree! LOL!!
Toni Slowinski> Toni
Toni Slowinski> In a message dated 9/8/99 7:25:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ti...@NATCA.NET
Toni Slowinski> writes:
Toni Slowinski> << so what Im trying to say is stand firm, read up and know your rights,
Toni Slowinski> they are on your side not the administrations. (Or as I call them
Toni Slowinski> Management, lololol). dont let them bully or tell you this isnt
Toni Slowinski> available or that costs too much money. If you want it stand firm put
Toni Slowinski> it in your IEP or IFSP. and then when they say, a week later we cant
Toni Slowinski> provide this, you say yes you will it is written on this little piece
Toni Slowinski> of paper, (IEP,IFSP).
Toni Slowinski> >>
Toni Slowinski
In a message dated 9/8/99 9:03:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ti...@NATCA.NET
writes:
mjames4858
What you say is great BUT there are policies (state and federal) in effect
that can keep your child from receiving a certain service, support etc....
Methodology's is one example that is not cut and dry in IDEA, also
interpretation of the Law can be decided by a Judge, not always in our
favor sadly.
When I fight, it is too win. I have learned to know my opponent and how
they play the game, sometimes Ill lose a battle but win the war :)
Kathy mom to Sara 7.....I pick my battles heehee or make them think it's
their idea for a certain service, support etc....
Sandy Dodd
>Hi sd...@TELCORDIA.COM,
>
>I have yet to have someone tell me or cindy, no at an iep meeting,
>
>If you know the laws and how they pertain to your childs rights, there
>is no reason for you not to get what you want.
>
>Sure they may frown and try to buck the system and get around it but
>the bottom line is, if it is your childs right then so be it.
>
hi timm, you're preaching to the choir here (i think you messed up who said
what in your reply...) but i'll share a little story about my past IEP
meeting...
erick's case manager, who was actually the school psychologist, was quite a
woman! we refer to her as nurse ratched...from one flew over the cuckoo's
nest...get the picture?
anyway, we sat at our IEP meeting, went over the services erick was
currently getting (mind you, she had not yet laid eyes on erick, ever) and
she asked me where he was getting his OT services and who was providing
them. on the ball, eh? of course, the district was paying for them.
erick is placed out of district (her first bone of contention) and he was
receiving services from the OT while he was in daycare, not in school. she
was clueless.
ok, we got past that issue. then i presented detailed reports of the need
for oral motor therapy for erick. she hemmed and hawed and stammered, and
said that erick as already getting these servics. wrong again! then she
said that they were not educationally relevant. wrong! then she said that
she would have to discuss it with her director - big no no!
bottom line, tho, is we were not in agreement at the meeting, no IEP was
signed, and she, who should have been the one making the decisions on this,
was in no position to do so. of course, this led to further discussion,
including mediation, etc. and finally the dismissal of this case manager.
within a few weeks of this meeting, i had approval not only for a 30-minute
session, but a 45-minute session - and approval for the sessions to be year
round...plus, they are going to do makeup sessions for the time lost from
date of IEP meeting till they approved it...they just don't know that part
yet...
so, she definitely told me no at the meeting, i definitely knew the laws,
and i definitely now have the services my son needs...
maybe toni is not the only one who rides on a broom... ; o )
sandy
Toni Slowinski
writes:
<< maybe toni is not the only one who rides on a broom... ; o )
>>
LOL Sandy!!
Toni
Amie Bell
writes:
If you know the laws and how they pertain to your childs rights, there
is no reason for you not to get what you want. >>
Actually, Tim, this is not true. Come down to the PTI office and take a look
at the due process suits where the parent fought based on the "law" and lost.
It is really the hearing officers/judge decision as to whether he or she
thinks the service is "appropriate" enough.
I was reading a case law yesterday where a mom fought all the way for the
yellow sped bus to pick her child up, who was in a wheelchair. Well, the
school sent out a contracted bus, which had no lift in it, no restraints, no
a/c, and no communication system on it. The parent had a letter from the
doctor that because of seizures the child needed to be on a bus with a
communication device, even a hand-held radio. DP said no. Happens every day!
I really encourage parents to know the federal and state regs as well as IDEA
and their individual district's policy. I also suggest that a parent take
them to the meeting and that if the parent is told something can't be done
due to local policy, then ask for a copy!
The bottom line for parents is if the school refuses to provide a service or
to make good on the signed IEP, does the parent want to go to mediation or
due process? In most of VA you would be hard pressed to find an attorney to
go out to these small counties.
I think it is always encouraging to read about a parent who has had victories
though!
Rejoice!
Amie
timm
Actually Amy you are wrong.
It is attitudes such as this that let School Administrations get away
with murder.
The Law is the Law, IDEA is a Binding contract per say. School
Systems may not evoke policies that take away from what the rights
that IDEA provides.
You may say they do, however they will lose all federal funding if
they do not follow IDEA to the letter. Mediation and Due Process is
not a big deal. And most School Systems, will immediately follow the
guidelines once they are threatened to lose federal monies. this is
their Bread and butter.
I would actually enjoy the opportunity to meet with a Hard Headed
School Superintendent, with my Tape Recorder and have him tell me why
it is they cant provide what the Law says they must. Once they are
backed up against the wall, with threats to their funding, it is
amazing how soon they change their attitude.
and I do appreciate your tons of due Processes you have, however I do
know that most are due to ill informed parents not knowing the Law in
the first place. and as far as Attorneys, I am my son's best and
Foremost attorney
Best regards,
timm
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Thursday, September 09, 1999, 4:31:38 AM, you wrote:
Amie Bell> In a message dated 9/8/99 7:25:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ti...@NATCA.NET
Amie Bell> writes:
Amie Bell> If you know the laws and how they pertain to your childs rights, there
Amie Bell> is no reason for you not to get what you want. >>
Amie Bell> Actually, Tim, this is not true. Come down to the PTI office and take a look
Amie Bell> at the due process suits where the parent fought based on the "law" and lost.
Amie Bell> It is really the hearing officers/judge decision as to whether he or she
Amie Bell> thinks the service is "appropriate" enough.
Amie Bell> I was reading a case law yesterday where a mom fought all the way for the
Amie Bell> yellow sped bus to pick her child up, who was in a wheelchair. Well, the
Amie Bell> school sent out a contracted bus, which had no lift in it, no restraints, no
Amie Bell> a/c, and no communication system on it. The parent had a letter from the
Amie Bell> doctor that because of seizures the child needed to be on a bus with a
Amie Bell> communication device, even a hand-held radio. DP said no. Happens every day!
Amie Bell> I really encourage parents to know the federal and state regs as well as IDEA
Amie Bell> and their individual district's policy. I also suggest that a parent take
Amie Bell> them to the meeting and that if the parent is told something can't be done
Amie Bell> due to local policy, then ask for a copy!
Amie Bell> The bottom line for parents is if the school refuses to provide a service or
Amie Bell> to make good on the signed IEP, does the parent want to go to mediation or
Amie Bell> due process? In most of VA you would be hard pressed to find an attorney to
Amie Bell> go out to these small counties.
Amie Bell> I think it is always encouraging to read about a parent who has had victories
Amie Bell> though!
Amie Bell> Rejoice!
Amie Bell> Amie
Amie Bell
writes:
Actually Amy you are wrong. It is attitudes such as this that let School
Administrations get away with murder.
>>
It is interesting to note that IDEA, which came 25 years after the previous
142 law, had very FEW changes, yet in 25 yrs the msg did not get across. Have
their been gains? Yes, tremendous ones!
If I am wrong, then why on earth do we see so many postings on the DS web
site every day? Why are there so many advocacy groups and last but not least
exactly why are we paying taxes to fund advocacy organizations in every
state?
There are lots of stratergies parents can use to get the goals and objectives
and placements they need for their child, because the law is not enough. Then
there are those places where the school district has the money to go to DP so
they don't mind.
Timm, exactly which school districts have had their funding, bread and
butter, taken away from them for not adhering to IDEA? I would be interested
in finding that out as I have never seen that information. The law says that
will happen, but it also says our kids have full inclusion and related
services.
Here in VA, there are so many small counties that even though the law does
provide for home schooling by sped teachers, they are teaching during the day
and cant provide the schooling till night-time, not acceptable to a parent
but what choice do they have? Oh, they can sue, but will that bring a teacher
to a small town? I don't think so. One parent informed the school in writing
with reminders for 5 yrs that her child would need a sign language teacher or
an interperter when she started school and lo and behold, school has started
without one. The county has done its share of offering BIG bucks and
advertising over the years, even offering to pay someone to go to the nearest
college for classes, but it seems no one wants to go to this small town on
the edge of VA. How does IDEA work in this case?
As for my attitude, no, I don't encourage any parent to let the school get
away with murder but when all else fails it is up to that family to decide
whether they have the financial wherewithal to take the district to court. In
our neighboring district, Arlington, a family has been at it for 5, YES, FIVE
yrs to get full inclusion for their child at a cost to the taxpayers of
millions of dollars, yet look who is winning, not the child. The school
district! Funny, how that IDEA works!
If anyone would like to continue this discussion on a "reality" basis, I
would love to! I love to hear how parents were able to get the services their
child needs without having to sue, especially in a district like Deborah is
in, in which they do NOT allow tape recorders and yes, can call the police if
you refuse to turn it off or leave. In this case, the IEP goes on without the
parent there.
Rejoice!
Amie
DAnn...@aol.com
I agree with you. I am located in KY and we just had THE WORST IEP meeting we
have ever had.
I call it the IEP meeting from hell!!!
My son is starting in high school and I was told at the end of his 8th grade
year by the teacher he has now in high school (special ed teacher) that I
needed to think about what I wanted for Jackie in high school because "we
don't do inclusion or collaboration like the middle school does, if you want
him in regular classes then he will go in there and if he fails he fails."
This is the same attitude I and battling against right now to keep him in
regular biology and I am the one trying to show them how to modify the work
for him.
It's just one battle after another.
Deborah mom to Jackie 15(DS)
timm
Hi Amie...@AOL.COM,
See this is exactly the attitude that I see all the time on here.
Its the you can't beat the establishment, crap.
That's nonsense, what really bothers me is these so called self
proclaimed advocates that are going around telling parents, "oh it may
be better just to give up rather than fight".
What kind of Advocate is that?
I did not say that School districts have had their funding removed,
what I said was when their actions pose this threat of losing funding,
most if not all will find a way to provide the services you want.
advocates must stop playing into the Districts hands by allowing the
often used excuse of "we don't have funding for that". This is a down
and out Lie, districts federal monies which are allocated under IDEA,
are allocated based on the amount services they provide.
and yes Amy I did have a Service Organization Threatened by the
state, a large on at that, one in which serves a very large area in
West virginia,to lose their Early Intervention Funding if they did not provide a
service to Matthew. It is amazing how quick these School Districts
and Service Organizations will give in to parents demands, when a parent asks to see a
report of all Special Ed monies received and how they were distributed.
You must know the steps to take and the action to take in order to
call the Districts bluff and Lay all the Cards on the Table.
there are alot more ways than just using IDEA in order to get what you
want for your child.
Best regards,
timm
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Thursday, September 09, 1999, 5:42:57 AM, you wrote:
Amie Bell> In a message dated 9/9/99 9:13:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ti...@natca.net
Amie Bell> writes:
Amie Bell> Actually Amy you are wrong. It is attitudes such as this that let School
Amie Bell> Administrations get away with murder.
Amie Bell> >>
Amie Bell> Tim,
Amie Bell> It is interesting to note that IDEA, which came 25 years after the previous
Amie Bell> 142 law, had very FEW changes, yet in 25 yrs the msg did not get across. Have
Amie Bell> their been gains? Yes, tremendous ones!
Amie Bell> If I am wrong, then why on earth do we see so many postings on the DS web
Amie Bell> site every day? Why are there so many advocacy groups and last but not least
Amie Bell> exactly why are we paying taxes to fund advocacy organizations in every
Amie Bell> state?
Amie Bell> There are lots of stratergies parents can use to get the goals and objectives
Amie Bell> and placements they need for their child, because the law is not enough. Then
Amie Bell> there are those places where the school district has the money to go to DP so
Amie Bell> they don't mind.
Amie Bell> Timm, exactly which school districts have had their funding, bread and
Amie Bell> butter, taken away from them for not adhering to IDEA? I would be interested
Amie Bell> in finding that out as I have never seen that information. The law says that
Amie Bell> will happen, but it also says our kids have full inclusion and related
Amie Bell> services.
Amie Bell> Here in VA, there are so many small counties that even though the law does
Amie Bell> provide for home schooling by sped teachers, they are teaching during the day
Amie Bell> and cant provide the schooling till night-time, not acceptable to a parent
Amie Bell> but what choice do they have? Oh, they can sue, but will that bring a teacher
Amie Bell> to a small town? I don't think so. One parent informed the school in writing
Amie Bell> with reminders for 5 yrs that her child would need a sign language teacher or
Amie Bell> an interperter when she started school and lo and behold, school has started
Amie Bell> without one. The county has done its share of offering BIG bucks and
Amie Bell> advertising over the years, even offering to pay someone to go to the nearest
Amie Bell> college for classes, but it seems no one wants to go to this small town on
Amie Bell> the edge of VA. How does IDEA work in this case?
Amie Bell> As for my attitude, no, I don't encourage any parent to let the school get
Amie Bell> away with murder but when all else fails it is up to that family to decide
Amie Bell> whether they have the financial wherewithal to take the district to court. In
Amie Bell> our neighboring district, Arlington, a family has been at it for 5, YES, FIVE
Amie Bell> yrs to get full inclusion for their child at a cost to the taxpayers of
Amie Bell> millions of dollars, yet look who is winning, not the child. The school
Amie Bell> district! Funny, how that IDEA works!
Amie Bell> If anyone would like to continue this discussion on a "reality" basis, I
Amie Bell> would love to! I love to hear how parents were able to get the services their
Amie Bell> child needs without having to sue, especially in a district like Deborah is
Amie Bell> in, in which they do NOT allow tape recorders and yes, can call the police if
Amie Bell> you refuse to turn it off or leave. In this case, the IEP goes on without the
Amie Bell> parent there.
Valle Dwight
I think obviously that every state is different. I went to mediation my first
time out and found it to be no problem - we won, in fact. Now, I am no pro at
this, as my son started preschool today, but I don't think that going to
mediation has to be something to dread.
On the other hand, Aidan has a classmate with PDD. His parents have had to
fight so hard for his services, and services for their older son with ADHD that
they are totally burned out and bitter, and ready to move away. It's a really
sad state, and a hell of a way to do business.
Valle, mother of Timmy, 6, and Aidan, 3 (ds)
MJames4858
Heehee So true Amy, like I said earlier you have to know how to play the game
and to know HOW to write a Goal to get the services or supports needed. It is
the implementing of the Goals, that the schools look at. I carefully before any
meeting write and rewrite goals and objectives with the help of some great
people online :)
I wanted Sara to have the Edmark Sight reading program and a computer available
at all times to her, well we wrote up a goal (Sara will blah blah blah on the
computer) and the school provided it under equipment.
You can tell a school till your blue in the face your child needs an aide but
you must also write it up so that one needs it for a goal or objective like:
Sara will write her name with "assistance",
Sara will stay on task with "redirection"
the words in quotation marks spell assistant heehee
>If anyone would like to continue this discussion on a "reality" basis, I
>would love to! I love to hear how parents were able to get the services their
>child needs without having to sue, especially in a district like Deborah is
>in
I love the IDEA and it really serves its purpose but you cannot expect to get
everything your child needs with a poor wrote IEP Also learn how to write an
IEP. Every year at these meetings I learn more and more LOL hopefully (full
of hope) I will get the art of writing these IEP's down pat :)
Kathy mom to Sara 7......hates game playing but loves to win :) sorry if my
examples are weak heehee I'm in a hurry
Mary Wilt
> and yes Amy I did have a Service Organization Threatened by the
> state, a large on at that, one in which serves a very large area in
> West virginia,to lose their Early Intervention Funding if they did not provide a
> service to Matthew.
But that was Part C. Part C is administered differently. The service
organization was getting funding from the state Part C lead agency (the
state agency which receives the federal grant money), which is West
Virginia is the Department of Health. It is entirely possible that an
administrative complaint up the ladder to the state Part C office would
result in a call reminding the service provider that they must comply or
lose their funding.
mary
timm
lol,
the only diference between part b and part c, (was part h) is who manages the
federal money and how it is distributed.
the basic principle is the same.
Best regards,
timm
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Thursday, September 09, 1999, 12:20:11 PM, you wrote:
Mary Wilt> timm wrote:
>> and yes Amy I did have a Service Organization Threatened by the
>> state, a large on at that, one in which serves a very large area in
>> West virginia,to lose their Early Intervention Funding if they did not provide a
>> service to Matthew.
Mary Wilt> But that was Part C. Part C is administered differently. The service
Mary Wilt> organization was getting funding from the state Part C lead agency (the
Mary Wilt> state agency which receives the federal grant money), which is West
Mary Wilt> Virginia is the Department of Health. It is entirely possible that an
Mary Wilt> administrative complaint up the ladder to the state Part C office would
Mary Wilt> result in a call reminding the service provider that they must comply or
Mary Wilt> lose their funding.
Mary Wilt> mary
Mary Wilt
> the only diference between part b and part c, (was part h) is who manages the
> federal money and how it is distributed.
>
> the basic principle is the same.
no, sorry. Part B guarantees FAPE. Part C does not. Not the same thing.
Even the procedural safeguards are different. An IFSP is not an IEP. I
agree the basic intent of both parts is that children with disabilities
receive appropriate services, though.
mary
Mary Wilt
>
> Hi mary...@PILOT.INFI.NET,
>
> did someone say an iep is the same as an ifsp
>
> it is no wonder you are constantly battling other fine people on this
> list
>
> you are constantly printing things as quotes that only you have said.
sorry, tim. since you said:
> >> the only diference between part b and part c, (was part h) is who manages the
> >> federal money and how it is distributed.
i was just pointing out some of the differences. sorry i didn't make
that clear.
mary
timm
Hi mary...@PILOT.INFI.NET,
did someone say an iep is the same as an ifsp
it is no wonder you are constantly battling other fine people on this
list
you are constantly printing things as quotes that only you have said.
Best regards,
timm
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Thursday, September 09, 1999, 1:00:40 PM, you wrote:
Mary Wilt> timm wrote:
>> the only diference between part b and part c, (was part h) is who manages the
>> federal money and how it is distributed.
>>
>> the basic principle is the same.
Mary Wilt> no, sorry. Part B guarantees FAPE. Part C does not. Not the same thing.
Mary Wilt> Even the procedural safeguards are different. An IFSP is not an IEP. I
Mary Wilt> agree the basic intent of both parts is that children with disabilities
Mary Wilt> receive appropriate services, though.
Mary Wilt> mary
Donna Duffey
writes:
<< it is no wonder you are constantly battling other fine people on this
list
you are constantly printing things as quotes that only you have said.
Best regards,
timm
mailto:ti...@natca.net >>
Whoa Timbo!!!! That's my good friend Mary you're talking to!! Be nice now,
or I won't cook nice dinners for you when you visit!! I'll make you sit with
Muggsie while I give all the food to Cindy and the kids.
Donna
mjames4858
Can we all guess what day Timmy has off from work???? THURSDAY!!!!!
Poor Cindy will be on later with "I should have warned you" post lol
Kathy mom to Sara 7.......by the way, I love (others) home cooked meals :)
and I'll be nice
Tami Henderson
TSlow...@AOL.COM writes:
<<
Whoa!! Timm and I agree! LOL!!
Toni >>
Wait a minute -- I'm reading this on 9/9/99 -- Did my computer
malfunction?!?!?!? :-)
LOL
Tami H.
Tami Henderson
writes:
<< In most of VA you would be hard pressed to find an attorney to
go out to these small counties.
>>
It is also difficult, in most areas, to find attorneys who specialize, or
have any knowledge, of educational issues. Just an unfortunate fact, but
even attorneys who specialize in guardianship issues or volunteer time at
your local ARC are not guaranteed to have knowledge in the arena of
disability education. One mom I know was so frustrated (her husband was an
attorney and they were getting no where for their own son) -- she went to
lawschool herself so she could become an advocate for disabled children and
"change the world." Last I heard she was concentrating on business law &
divorce in her practice so she could make some money :-(
Just an unfortunate "side bar."
Regards,
Tami H.
MJames4858
>malfunction?!?!?!? :-)
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>LOL
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>Tami H.
So funny Tami lol
My 10 yr old came home yesterday from school and told me that I can't turn on
the computor tomorrow (today), she said it would BLOW up, heehee I guess she
meant crash. Some kid told her this so I just laughed it off.
Well late last night in the wee hours I was watching a replay of the news,
working on the computer at the same time, they broadcasted that some folks
might have major computer problems tomorrow (today) because of the date 9-9-99
I was thinking Oh my Kaite was right and then looked at the clock which read
1:30am I chuckled again whew it didn't happen to me.
Kathy mom to Sara 7.....I'll listen to my kids more often lol and watch the
news on time
Kathy mom to Sara (7,ds)