looking for DS in old art works...

Zeke

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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Hello Everyone;

Shortly after our daughter Siobhan (DS) was born in April 1998, I came
across a web page on the 'net. There was a large image I believe near the
top of the page, and basically it was a painting (looked like it was from
the Renaissance - late 1400's - 1600's A.D.) of Jesus with several cherubs
(child-like angels) hovering beside and above him, as well as a cherub below
him to his left, gazing up at him. I seem that this particular cherub had DS
facial features, and that the accompanying text said this artwork was the
earliest known depiction of DS. I have failed to re-locate this painting
ever since. I have poured over countless art history catalogs at the local
library as well as various searches of art databases and galleries on the
'net, all to no avail...

Can anyone recall this image? Can you send me an address (URL) to such
an image?

Thanx; Zeke

P.S. I have found several other DS related images already, and display them
on our web site
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gzobatar/ds_art/ds_art.htm ) and wish to
add this one...

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gordon slater

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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Yes, I think I know the one you mean. It is a Madonna and Child and the
artiusts name began with M. It ws on the front page of Mencap news about 10
years ago. I will give you the details yoday or tomorrow, just ned to check
the reference. catherine

Reim...@aol.com

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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Let me know if the above link is what you are looking for.
Jodi

gordon slater

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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Okay.The painting is my Andrea mantagna and I m sending you the website
direct as I find it difficult to copy themn accurately. i also found another
one which might also be it at
www.sunsite.dk/mantegna/pmantegna.7htm .The painiting is called madonna and
child and is in the uffizi in Florence. You may also be thinking of the
painting by Fra Filippo Lippi where the cherubs may have Dowsn Syndrome .
Painting is la Madonna della humilita. Also jacob Jordaens, the Dutch
painter also painted his daughter who has Downs syundrome in some of his
paintings. catherine

Cindy Scanlon

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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Thanks so much for sharing your web site....it was absolutely engaging. Your
daughter is so precious! I have never even thought about art and DS.

Cindy (mom to Amy 15)

Cindy

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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Can you also send me the URL directly? The link you provided below says no
page exists???

Cindy

CK Campbell

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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> Can you also send me the URL directly? The link you provided below says
no
> page exists???

I'd like it too, please.

CK,
Mom to Ian (2/89),
David (9/90),
and Rose (6/94)

Fran Wright

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Oct 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/11/99

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I think the painting is referred to in an article by Brian Stratford, and
also in his book on DS. The article's in New Directions in DS or something
like that. Fran

Sorry, group. I should have been more specific in my description. The
painting I'm thinking of showed Jesus as an adult (male); with the cherubs
beside, above and below Him...

Thanx for all your suggestions and advice so far! -- Zeke

Zeke

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99

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Sorry, group. I should have been more specific in my description. The
painting I'm thinking of showed Jesus as an adult (male); with the cherubs
beside, above and below Him...

Thanx for all your suggestions and advice so far! -- Zeke

Zeke wrote in message ...

gordon slater

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99

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Well, although its not the one you are looking for, here is the picture of
the Madonna and Child with Downs Syndrome
http://www.sunsite/dk/cjackson/mantagena/p-manteg12.htm

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Date: 12 October 1999 04:17
Subject: Re: looking for DS in old art works...

Lori Marquette

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99

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In a message dated 10/11/1999 8:21:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
c...@ROCHESTER.RR.COM writes:

<< > Can you also send me the URL directly? The link you provided below says
no
> page exists???

I'd like it too, please.
>>

Lori Deardorff Marquette, mom to Will - almost 4 and Jackson 1 - CwDS

Mary Reid

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99

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Hi Zeke

This isn't what you're after,but a couple of years ago Alberto Monteiro
posted an interesting link to the list.

http://www.ecof.org.br/projectos/down/artepla/artep.htm

The Portugese version has some pictures,and the English version has a very
interesting narrative.

There was a lot of interesting discussion at the time,so you might want to
check the archives for DS in Medieval Art.

Mary

Mary Reid

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Oct 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/12/99

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Sorry,I've mistyped the address.Hopefully this is right.

http://www.ecof.org.br/projetos/down/artepla/artep.htm

Mary

gordon slater

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Oct 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/13/99

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yes thats right, i checked it a couple of days ago, I think artep2 goes
straight to the English, but it doesnt have the pics. Catherine

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