You Tube blows
Richard Pelletier
videographer.
I think You Tube is a great place to give away your own product for
marketing purposes but no one has any right
to give away a performers product. I know all of you musicians have cd's and
if everyone downloaded
your cd you would not make the money back that it cost you to produce the
product.
We have produced a few good retail Dvd's (Tab Benoit, Little Milton,
Bellevue Cadillac). It took 7 yrs of work learning the trade and each dvd
takes yrs to get your money back. I would hate to see any of our production
videos on You Tube as it would take revenue's from all of us.
If the Dvd's lose money we will not produce em for you. Simple as that. A
good Dvd with a 6 camera shoot
cost about $14,000 in production and editing cost, imagine how long it takes
to recoup that money never mind a profit.
Its a nice history lesson to see the Great Masters on You Tube, but it is
someone's copyright material.
I am no prude by any means but I am sure that all Musicians and Affiliates
would love to make a living in this business and all of your copyright
material is what gets you there.
So I don't really think You Tube blows. I just think that it has become a
garbage pit for copyright theft.
Nuff Said
Richard Pelletier
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anything yet that wasn't probably public Domain.I up load some of my old
video's. Of TV shows I have done. Because it was done originally on TV Copy
right Right was lost because it was Broadcasted on public TV. I think if
YouTube know there is somebody uploading Just because they Picked it up at a
store They would delete it . That's my understanding.
Guitar Mac.
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Dick Waterman
> I up load some of my old video's. Of TV shows I have done. Because it was
> done originally on TV Copy right Right was lost because it was Broadcasted on
> public TV.
>
Copyright is automatically lost when something is broadcast on public TV? Did
you learn that in school today or did the Tooth Fairy leave a note under your
pillow?
> I think if YouTube know there is somebody uploading Just because they
> Picked it up at a
> store They would delete it . That's my understanding.
>
Your understanding needs to come into the real world. YouTube does not have
the capabilities (or any serious intentions) of policing themselves.
I'm with Richard Pelletier on this one. You're all junkies hooked on music
that you haven't seen before and you can't get enough of it.
You're happy to ignore copyright law so you can view legends that are long
dead. Your need to feed your pleasure overwhelms any legal conscience.
You plead, "I'd never see this wonderful music if somebody didn't make it
available for me." So you can't get enough Cab Calloway or Nina Simone or Freddie
King even though some inner voice tells you that copyright theft is happening
and you're a part of it, Mister Jones . . .
Dick Waterman
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Tom Muck
> available for me." So you can't get enough Cab Calloway or Nina Simone or
> Freddie
> King even though some inner voice tells you that copyright theft is
> happening
> and you're a part of it, Mister Jones . . .
You hit it dead on. Youtube is like the thief who breaks into the store
during a riot and leaves the doors open. The people viewing and downloading
videos are the people who walk in afterwards and take things.
Tom
No Name Available
combination of TV, radio, CD player, library, and many other heretofore
non-existent mediums. The two biggest issues are: 1. How to compensate for
use, since the uses are often different than what the law is written for,
and 2. Who pays? Is it the hosting service, the users, the software
developers? And how do you keep the cost down to a level that does not
reduce the vitality of the Internet but still compensates the creators
properly?
The fact remains that if Youbube attracts advertising revenue -- and it
does -- the attraction is there because of the artists' material. Youtube
would not exist without the material, so the artists should be compensated
for making Youtube a viable business. But it would be a shame if the price
structure made it difficult to continue the "viral" spreading of such great
content. It is what makes the Internet such a great medium. I'd hate to see
it suddenly controlled by a few wealthy corporations who can afford the
costs, the way other media are. And you can bet there is intense pressure
to have it go that way. So it will take great thought and pressure from many
groups to work this out without destroying what is great about the Internet.
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unfortunate. That is the only way they Operate Believe me there have been
allot of pocket's fatten in the music business.But it is not the artist
.Musician. Now all of a sudden the little guy is getting a little break and
that scare's the hell out of some.
Guitar Mac.
"BLUES BAND LEADER OF THE YEAR 2006"
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=guitarmac555
http://www.centralvalleybluesfestival.com/guitarmac.htm
http://www.guitarmac.com
http://www.soundclick.com/guitarmac
http://www.myspace.com/guitarmac
http://www.myspace.com/guitarmac1
pat boyack
throw the first stone. I for one, am not afraid to get hit because we have all used it. To think
YouTube with it’s poor quality and sound is stealing anything is something I can’t take serious. It’s
not like I’m viewing a whole DVD worth of material and burning it on a disk.
There is nothing wrong with me or anybody else being exposed to new material of any sort and
you’re being pretty pompous making fun of the fact that it’s happening, Dick. Sorry, unlike you I
wasn’t born 30-40 years sooner. Many of these people were past their prime when I saw them in
person so being able to see a video clip on YouTube and KNOWING I can BUY ......I’ll repeat
that ...BUY the DVD is good for all involved.
This whole “YouTube sucks” thread is flame bait because I posted a Little Milton. Some of us must
be bored.
Pat B
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:27:33 EDT, Dick Waterman <Jinx...@aol.com> wrote:
>Your understanding needs to come into the real world. YouTube does not have
>the capabilities (or any serious intentions) of policing themselves.
>
>I'm with Richard Pelletier on this one. You're all junkies hooked on music
>that you haven't seen before and you can't get enough of it.
>
>You're happy to ignore copyright law so you can view legends that are long
>dead. Your need to feed your pleasure overwhelms any legal conscience.
>
>You plead, "I'd never see this wonderful music if somebody didn't make it
>available for me." So you can't get enough Cab Calloway or Nina Simone or Freddie
>King even though some inner voice tells you that copyright theft is happening
>and you're a part of it, Mister Jones . . .
>
>Dick Waterman
>Oxford, MS
>www.dickwaterman.com
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c. n.
drunks, or by you on the freeway?
Even though no one is selling anything on youtube (not directly, that I can
tell), it wouldn't surprise
me (at all) to learn that there have been more CD sales as a result of
people viewing videos--than there have been sales lost. I know that's how
it has unfolded in my particular case (but then again, I am nopt selling
videos either).
chuck
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not something I would want to sell.but it get's me known In this field the
more people that know you the better your chances.and maybe somebody will
realize what they might be missing in a live show Or a real CD's It's all
about marketing Doesn't matter if you got their in A Cadillac. or a ford.you
will have ARRIVED.
Guitar Mac.
"BLUES BAND LEADER OF THE YEAR 2006"
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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: You Tube blows
Michael Huggins
will change nothing and do your research.
Have the facts prepared into a formal complaint and present it to the
FCC, or whatever agency is governing this under Homeland Security and
do something about the problem. As far as clarity of video/ sound, I
believe it may have something to do with the quality of video that the
individual uploads to the site.
If that is too much work for ya', maybe go take a homeless/hungry
person to lunch and give 'em a ride to the shelter or a church/ mission
where they might be helped......
just a suggestion,
michael
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simple to understand it. <unk.>
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It'll be nice when it fades away...
Rgds...Jim
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Subject: Re: You Tube blows
Tom Muck
> change nothing and do your research.
> Have the facts prepared into a formal complaint and present it to the FCC,
> or whatever agency is governing this under Homeland Security and do
> something about the problem. As far as clarity of video/ sound, I believe
> it may have something to do with the quality of video that the individual
> uploads to the site.
Dude, it takes no energy. It's a discussion. I was just stating an opinion.
I'm not concerned about it. I use Youtube. In fact, at the current time I
don't know of a more useful site for a blues player. I never said anything
about clarity. When blues videos are released, I buy them.
Still, you have to recognize Youtube for what it is. It's a thieves market,
with willing accomplices on both sides. You can't defend someone copying a
dvd and uploading parts of it no matter how you try to justify it. However,
when it used for what it is intended for, there is nothing better out there.
Look at Adam Gussow's homemade videos for an example of the best that
Youtube has to offer. They are brilliant, legal, and uploaded by the person
who made them.
c. n.
>Still, you have to recognize Youtube for what it is. It's a thieves market,
>with willing accomplices on both sides.
If anyone feels like ripping me off, the videos featuring a few of the DBS
artists are up on youtube under my user name of cnevitt. Have at it, you no
good cold blooded thievin' scofflaws. Please.
Then, if the guilt ever does start to take over take you, feel free to visit
www.BluesShirts.com and purchase one OR more of the newly arrived re-order
of I IV V tshirts. (they're a little harder to download). chuck
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>Still, you have to recognize Youtube for what it is. It's a thieves market,
>with willing accomplices on both sides.
If anyone feels like ripping me off, the videos featuring a few of the DBS
artists are up on youtube under my user name of cnevitt. Have at it, you no
good cold blooded thievin' scofflaws. Please.
Then, if the guilt ever does start to take over take you, feel free to visit
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of I IV V tshirts. (they're a little harder to download). chuck
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> As far as clarity of video/ sound, I
> believe it may have something to do with the quality of video that the
> individual uploads to the site.
They compress the hell out of the video files in order to speed things
up on download streaming. That degrades the quality. It's lossy. But of
course, good quality input means mediocre quality output, bad quality
input mean really crappy output.
--
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You Tube and the technology they encompass are here to stay.
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agree to a point). However, I think hearing (and
seeing) some of these long dead artists, as you put
it, makes me interested in more of their material and
then I search out and buy their music.
But I do see your point.
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legal conscience
there is an oxymoron if there ever was
chefo
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I tell ya man, if I can just hit one good superfecta I'll be down wit some
of dem tees man...but do I have to download some of that tubeushit? man it is
bad enough to watch it once.
now for a serious blues question. who played slide on "give me back my wig"
for SRV at Montreau? ps. and tell the bartender at bluesville the guys
name is FLET...LIKE ET... I just et supper. not fleet...one e, followed by
a consonant that means soft "e".
chefo the spaz...when i die someone will send my family a copy of my obit
saying, "one less freak in the world".
Chefo...@aol.com
yeah, I heard that. I loaded everything with cinnamon. tofu green tea, .
i'm still healthy......I'm watchin' that famous video...the thing that strikes
me the most is how the blues means something different to all the blues
legends. so it goes....
chefo
yup, Chuck is having trouble adjusting to the "new world order"....aren't
we all?
I think i'll go beat off with some castorbean oil. after i mainline some
used heavy gunky , palm oil...
chefo
Blue Stew
an addict... and I cccan't STOPPPPP! Sweet Mother of Trademarks and
Copyright...won't somebody HELP ME?!!!!
OK just le'me one last vid and then I'll quit forever...I SWEAR!
PLEASE...I JUST NEED a little MORE NINA SIMONE TO GET ME THROUGH the
SHAKES!!
mike
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