Blues bands not called blues
Voodoo Chile
(excepting Deep Purple)? What about the Moody Blues? Name other bands
who you think are blues but are called rock. Alan Parsons is one in my
signature who I believe does blues and other genres. So, I`m not asking
for bands who ONLY do blues. I mean, even the legends never did ALL
blues.
Rick, voodoochile, bamabluesdog
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In the CD player now. Robin Trower, Caravan To Midnight, Steely Dan,
Goucho, Deep Purple, Burn, Alan Parsons Project, Turn Of A Friendly
Card, The Band, The Last Waltz
chuck n.
a blues song. In my mind (yep, my mind, no one elses) to be called a blues
band," that band needs to be doing at least 70 - 76% blues. Give or take...
chuck
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L.A. Jones
>Anyone consider any of the bands in my signature to be blues bands
nope
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please. Nope.
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voodo...@webtv.net writes:
> Anyone consider any of the bands in my signature to be blues bands
> (excepting Deep Purple)?
>
> In the CD player now. Robin Trower, Caravan To Midnight, Steely Dan,
> Goucho, Deep Purple, Burn, Alan Parsons Project, Turn Of A Friendly
> Card, The Band, The Last Waltz
No. I don't know why anyone would. They are all certainly blues
influenced, some more than others. But anyone who plays any sort of Rock and
Roll is blues influenced whether they know it or not.
Ryan
Jay Watterworth
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Nora Ephron said (about Washington politics, but apropos here), "No
matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."
"If music be the food of love, play on. Give me excess of that."
William Shakespeare, "Twelfth Night"
Voodoo Chile
on the list, and by a few others, off the list. I SWEAR this post was
not intended to start a flame war. I TRULY DO believe that there are
MANY bands, past and present, who do blues songs, that are not
recognized properly by this list, even though some genre sites DO see
them as doing some blues songs. Like I said before, I`m not trying to
get ANYONE to call ANY of these bands blues bands. There were NOT JUST
blues bands. They did other genres and styles too. I AM trying to
broaden the narrow minds of some of the members. Because, in my mind,
MANY of the songs on my signature list, if done by the legends, would
CLEARLY be accepted as good and maybe great blues. But let me say this,
and dammit, I mean it. I don`t want ANY flaming on this post topic on
either side. If you think that some of the songs are blues songs, say
so. If you think none of the songs are blues, say so. If you think lots
of the songs are blue, say so. But no matter WHAT reaction you get from
your post, DO NOT respond with nasty and rude responses. Don`t let a
rude poster suck you into a battle over this post I made for people to
consider. If some jerk attacks you for your post, then they will be the
jerk, not you, if you ignore them. BTW, there are many bands on THE LAST
WALTZ, by the band, Even some blues legends. One person who I would
really like you to consider for his blues is Van Morrison.
L.A. Jones
>I TRULY DO believe that there are
>MANY bands, past and present, who do blues songs, that are not
>recognized properly by this list, even though some genre sites DO see
>them as doing some blues songs. Like I said before, I`m not trying to
>get ANYONE to call ANY of these bands blues bands.
You said "before" and I quote:
Anyone consider any of the bands in my signature to be blues bands
(excepting Deep Purple)?
Bands NOT songs. Any one can "do" a blues song. SO?!
>There were NOT JUST
>blues bands.
They were NOT blues bands. period.
>I AM trying to
>broaden the narrow minds of some of the members.
It's statements like THAT, that piss people off. THAT'S flame bait.
Alan Howe
>broaden the narrow minds of some of the members.
How true, Rick. Thanks to you I now consider the Captain and Tenille to be a
blues band (the Captain did wear the occasional "blue" sailor's hat). And,
oh yeah...the Simpsons (they do have a "blues" album...at least the liner
notes say they're blues, so it must be true). Then of course, Blue Cheer
(obviously).
I can also thank you for the handy tips concerning alleged inconsistencies
with my "thumb vibrato".
I also thank you for the "blue", bulging veins in my neck right now...
Alan Howe
----- Original Message -----
From: "L.A. Jones" <laj...@lajones.com>
To: <BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Blues bands not called blues
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<<
How true, Rick. Thanks to you I now consider the Captain and Tenille to be a
blues band (the Captain did wear the occasional "blue" sailor's hat). >>
Funny you should mention the captain, they had BB King as a guest one time,
and the captain asked BB to show him how to play the blues because he never
had them. I wish I could see it again.
HB
Voodoo Chile
this post and have probably never even HEARD ANY of the CDs I pointed to
in my signature as having some VERY REAL blues songs. Fro example, In
The Last Waltz, by The Band, Muddy Waters, Bob Margolin, Joe "Pine Top"
Perkins and Paul Butterfield do the song Mannish Boy. It was very well
praised and loved by the audience and showed Muddy`s appreciation for
The Band and for the other great blues artists who played at this
farewell concert for The Band. Even if others on this list can`t dig the
blues of The Band, Dr. John, Paul Butterfield, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton,
Neil Young, Howard Johnson, Van Morrison, The Staples, Emmylou Harris
and other blues players and lovers, they should at least respect the
feelings of Muddy Waters for these and other players. And Jim Wells and
LA Jones should try LISTENING to CDs before they comment on them. I
doubt if they have even heard ONE of the CDs in my signature, yet
immediately said they had NO blues on them. They would say that about
ANY CD I posted about if they thought it was rock and roll, even if they
had NEVER heard the CD.
Voodoo Chile
blues songs in the CDs, Jim Wells and LA Jones jumped on me in a flash,
saying there were NO blues songs in the CDs., I pointed out that Muddy
Waters played Mannish boy in The Last Waltz concert by the band. I would
also like to add that Muddy Waters had Paul Butterfield join him in his
performance of Mannish Boy. And again, I say, these guys will attack me
for posting about non-blues CDs, even when they have NOT EVEN HEARD THE
CDS.
Voodoo Chile
bands and that many blues bands (even the legends) also play non-blues
songs and that I was interested in people`s comments on blues songs that
these bands did. Did you NOT get that messege?
L.A. Jones
>Jim Wells and LA Jones, your posts show me that you simply pounced on
>this post and have probably never even HEARD ANY of the CDs I pointed to
ON Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:07:29 -0500 Rick, voodoochile, bamabluesdog
hacked up a furball and the stain it left on blues-l looked something like
this:
Anyone consider any of the bands in my signature to be blues bands
(excepting Deep Purple)? What about the Moody Blues? Name other bands
who you think are blues but are called rock. Alan Parsons is one in my
signature who I believe does blues and other genres. So, I`m not asking
for bands who ONLY do blues. I mean, even the legends never did ALL
blues.
You did not, REPEAT DID NOT ask about if anyone felt there were
blues songs in the CDs, therefore I replied, on Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:13:31
-0700
and I quote:
"nope"
Voodoo Chile
CDs in my signature below. This is the signature I asked people to
comment about, to see if they thought these had blues songs. At first, I
asked about them being blues bands. I quickly changed the question to
bands who did blues songs, since I KNEW some of the bands did some
CLEARLY rock and roll songs. Anyway, Jim Wells and LA Jones jumped on
the post immediately, saying the bands were not blues playing bands. I
now ask them, for an honest answer from each, if they have listened to
ALL the CDs all the way through or even listened to them at all, CDs
which they jumped on as NOT blues. I am SURE that they have NOT since
BOTH of them would have KNOWN that Muddy Waters played on The Last Waltz
CD by The Band and would have made mention of that in their posts,
instead of just quickly dismissing them all as non-blues CDs.
Leonard Watkins
say 1-4-5 changes, sure it's an expression of a feeling but you can't really
have a concrete definition. One man's blues is another mans country. Heck
Jimmie Rogers was blues to me The Band IS NOT blues to me (one of my
favorite rock bands, though). You surely can not have an ego so enormously
big that you think YOU can define the music of someone else. You can't do
it, you can have an opinion but it's not law. The 'YOU' in this post is in
general not intended toward anyone in particular. Same ole arguement that
was going on here about 5 years ago and Voodoo Chile was involved. :-)
Leonard
-----Original Message-----
From: Voodoo Chile [mailto:voodo...@webtv.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:17 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Blues bands not called blues
Jim Wells and LA Jones, your posts show me that you simply pounced on
this post and have probably never even HEARD ANY of the CDs I pointed to
in my signature as having some VERY REAL blues songs. Fro example, In
The Last Waltz, by The Band, Muddy Waters, Bob Margolin, Joe "Pine Top"
Perkins and Paul Butterfield do the song Mannish Boy. It was very well
praised and loved by the audience and showed Muddy`s appreciation for
The Band and for the other great blues artists who played at this
farewell concert for The Band. Even if others on this list can`t dig the
blues of The Band, Dr. John, Paul Butterfield, Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton,
Neil Young, Howard Johnson, Van Morrison, The Staples, Emmylou Harris
and other blues players and lovers, they should at least respect the
feelings of Muddy Waters for these and other players. And Jim Wells and
LA Jones should try LISTENING to CDs before they comment on them. I
doubt if they have even heard ONE of the CDs in my signature, yet
immediately said they had NO blues on them. They would say that about
ANY CD I posted about if they thought it was rock and roll, even if they
had NEVER heard the CD.
Rick, voodoochile, bamabluesdog
Bob Page
what is and isn't blues?
personally, I agree with you. A slippery thing to attempt.
Bob Page
Leonard Watkins
beating a dead horse by trying to convince people
that so-and-so was blues. I mean who cares. I can't believe it's still going
on. First of all it does not have to be blues to be good, secondly if Rick
or Me or you or them thinks it is blues then the who cares what others
think. It's absurd to try and convince people than the Band was blues band.
Even if you were successful in convincing them you still have done nothing.
The Last Waltz is very good and like I said The Band is one of my top 3 rock
bands. I ain't so sure the Band didn't play more blues than what I last
heard Buddy Guy do, but who cares. What's the purpose of the discussion and
why has this thread been going on for so many years :-). Just change the
'Band' to another name and it's the same thread different year.
Leonard
Voodoo Chile
just trying to open the minds of some of the people on the list. Maybe
get them to listen to some bands and think about the songs if they had
been played by a recognized blues player. I ain`t trying to change the
world here or re-write history. Maybe I am trying to broaden even
further some of the blues definitions, although sites like the All Music
Guide, with it`s many many types and classifcations of blues has already
helped to do that already. SO many people still want to put blues in
such a narrow slot and keep it there. And that HURTS the blues and it`s
artists, past and present. Blues WAS the Father (along with soul) of
rock and roll, the most successful form of selling music ever created.
If kids could relate to the blues in the rock now being done and could
dig into past blues, think of the GREAT benefit to current and past
blues artists, Royalties for past artists. Recognition for current
artists. This isn`t some trolling expedition that I posted for and it
isn`t to start arguments. It`s just to make people think about it. And
to maybe have some posters say some things that might interest new young
blues-l readers in some HEAVILY blues-influenced bands or some past
blues bands that were called rock bands or some current bands that are
blues and called rock, Make the young people want to dig deeper, like
they did in the sixties, and find more blues. And maybe find out that
what they REALLY like in some of the "rock" bands that they listen to is
the BLUES in some of the songs. Can you dig that? Like I have said
before, you can`t play a Robert Johnson country blues song for a young
person and expect them to go wild about it. You have to get them into
blues in a way that shows them that what they think is rock is mostly
blues and that if they dig a little deeper that they may find some
REALLY cool blues bands that they like. It has worked with my nephew. He
told me he liked the slower rock songs with some piano or organ, I got
him into Widespread Panic, Light Fuse, Get Away and the Allman Brothers
Band, The Fillmore East Concerts. Then I told him that most of the songs
the Allman Brothers did at the Fillmore concerts were actually covers of
old blues songs. Then I could get him to listen to the originals of the
songs. See how that works?
Michael Loew
"........HEAVILY blues-influenced bands or some past blues bands that were called rock bands or some current bands that are blues and called rock...."
Care to explain further ?
Mike
Michael Loew
Mike
jbw
Just between you and me, he is SUCH an idiot.
All the rest of ya'll, please just ignore this message.
Rgds...Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "L.A. Jones" <laj...@LAJONES.COM>
To: <BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Blues bands not called blues
Voodoo Chile
that I stated in my original post that I didn`t think that bands had to
do ALL blues songs to be considered as blues bands and you even showed
that in my original post that I said that not even the legends did ALL
blues songs. Then you go on and on in this post and others, saying I
insisted that people say if the bands were entirely blues bands, which
your copy of my original post CLEARLY shows that I did NOT. Grow up. And
stop re-posting my original post which makes you look like a trolling
idiot. I am NOT going to get in a flame war with your silly ass about
this. This is my last post on the subject, pinhead.
L.A. Jones
>Your repeat of my original post, LA Jones, CLEARLY shows that I said
blah blah woof woof. At least I have the courtesy to quote the original
post. Despite numerous requests from numerous people you still refuse to
quote any part of the thread you are responding to. I thought it could be 1
of 3 reasons
1. You are too DAMN RUDE to follow this reasonable request or
2. You are too DAMN STUPID to follow this reasonable request or
3. Web TV is too DAMN LAME to allow you to follow this reasonable request.
If Web TV is too DAMN LAME to allow you to follow this reasonable request
at least don't be too DAMN RUDE to let the list know that that is in fact
the case.
However I now think that there is a real reason why you don't quote from
the original post, I think it is:
4. You are able to TWIST the facts to suit your own version of what REALLY
was said.
>Then you go on and on in this post and others, saying I
>insisted that people say if the bands were entirely blues bands,
WHERE did I say that? Please re post that.... OOOPs no that wouldn't work
for you would it?
This is my last post on the subject, pinhead.
Can I quote you on that? BTW it's MISTER pinhead to you.
maxdog
>At 11:34 PM 8/30/2002 -0500, Voodoo Chile wrote:
>
>post. Despite numerous requests from numerous people you still refuse to
>quote any part of the thread you are responding to. I thought it could be 1
>of 3 reasons
>
>1. You are too DAMN RUDE to follow this reasonable request or
>2. You are too DAMN STUPID to follow this reasonable request or
>3. Web TV is too DAMN LAME to allow you to follow this reasonable request.
Chuck Nevitt quotes what he is replying to and he uses WebTV. #3 isn't the
problem. Draw your won conclusions.
--
maxdog
Blue Stew
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Voodooramblerbamabrainless you know-who
".......idiot. I am NOT going to get in a flame war with your silly ass
about
this. This is my last post on the subject, pinhead."
Rick,
In the CD player now, my webtv instruction booklet.
chuck n.
the problem. Draw your won conclusions.>>>
I'd be happy to explain it to him step by step if he would promise to do it,
otherwise I have better things to do. It's not all that
hard to figure out, if I can do it. When you read a message using it, there
is a button you can push that only allows you to include the whole message
(but there is a way to just include portions of it...for that you have to
use some simple "cut and paste" methods. Not as simple as if using a PC, but
still not that difficult).
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> Maybe it's time for a NEW prefix filter? NIC: No Intelligible Content
> Mike
Maybe it's time for a NEW prefix filter? BC: Blues Content.
Jay
np: Iggy and the Stooges "Real Cool Time" (NBC)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Voodooramblerbamabrainless you know-who
>
> ".......idiot. I am NOT going to get in a flame war with your silly ass
> about
> this. This is my last post on the subject, pinhead."
>
> Rick,
> In the CD player now, my webtv instruction booklet.
>
Jay Watterworth