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Steven Nourse Photography

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Sep 11, 2006, 7:27:42 PM9/11/06
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Hello list,
I'm wondering if any of you have received a very vague request for any wildlife photos you may have for
John Ayinla from Australia. I'm thinking this is a scam to get bank information.
Just wondering if anyone on the list has also received this request.

Carol


Steven Nourse Photography
Big Lake, Alaska 99652
Carol Sackett, Rep.
276-755-3944


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In a message dated 9/11/06 7:29:35 PM, stev...@triad.rr.com writes:


> I'm wondering if any of you have received a very vague request for any
> wildlife photos you may have for
> John Ayinla from Australia. I'm thinking this is a scam to get bank
> information.
> Just wondering if anyone on the list has also received this request.
>
> Carol
>
>

Hi Carol,

I did get the same request from him asking for large size prints for an
exhibit. I simply told him to pay using my paypal account on my website and once
this is done I will Fed ex the prints.

That was a week ago and have not heard anything, I think you are very
correct, it is a scam.

Hisham Ibrahim
www.PhotoV.com
Getty, Corbis, Alamy, AGE, Mira

sirius

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Sep 11, 2006, 7:54:22 PM9/11/06
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> I did get the same request from him asking for large size prints for
> an
> exhibit. I simply told him to pay using my paypal account on my
> website and once
> this is done I will Fed ex the prints.
>
> That was a week ago and have not heard anything, I think you are very
> correct, it is a scam.


This sounds like the scam where they overpay (but with a cheque that you
won't be able to cash), then they ask you to send back the over-payment.
They end up with the prints and the "over-payment" and the photographer
ends up with nothing. This has been done for prints, equipment, and in
other ways to other people besides photographers.

Jeff Rankin-Lowe

Mike Shipman/Blue Planet Photography

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Sep 11, 2006, 11:32:48 PM9/11/06
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I've heard from this guy, telling me he is an art dealer in Dubai
specializing in wildlife art and has a gallery in Dubai but was having an
exhibition in Australia and wanted a landscape print from me for the
Australia exhibit, priced to include FedEx shipping. I gave him my pricing
info as well as notified him that I would not ship prints until I had a
cleared check. He responded that he would let his associate know to forward
me a check.

My correspondence with him:

7/29 initial request from John Ayinla for fine art print. I responded with
interest in his proposal.
7/31 his response:

"Thanks so much for your quick response, My name is John Ayinla and I am
into art dealership in Dubai "Ikeni Productions Ltd" its a corporate arts
marchant company, my mainland showroom is within Dubai (UAE).
I need the purchase of an Artwork for an exhibition i will be attending in
Australia, can you to provide artworks with the following details?:
Landscape or wildlife photography on any print i.e colour/black&white I am
interested in purchasing any one or two of these specified. How much does
each cost?
Please let me know if you can provide these items, and the shipping cost for
it.I will be paying with a Check drawn on a US Bank which is as good as cash
and I will prefer FEDEX as shipping option.
I await your response soonest.
Regards,
John Ayinla."

7/31 I asked him what size print and what address to mail it to (for
calculating shipping). I sent him my old studio mailing address rather than
my current address. Mail will still be forwarding from that address.

"Dear Mike,
I want it matted out to 16X24, and please I will prefer FEDEX as shipping
option.I have not booked my hotel in Australia yet but it will be in
Victoria, so you can estimate the shipping cost for victoria.
i am just going there to sell, I am strictly an art dealer, i just buy and
sell. i do not do any contracts. the arts that am unable to sell in
Australia shall all return with me to my showroom in Dubai.
let me know if there is anything else you will like to know and please get
back to me soonest with what the total cost will be so i can make
arrangements for payment. I will give instruction to one of my clients there
in the united states to make the release of fund to you, I will also be
needing the address, and the name to which the payment can be issued to.
Once i am in receipt of the nessesary infomation we can set up the
transactions,
I await your response soonest.
Regards,
John."

8/1

"Thanks for the response Mr.Mike Shipman,
I will contact my client tommorow,to make arrangements about the payment and
to give the nessesary instuctions.
Thanks once again for your cooperation.
Trully yours
John Ayinla"

8/8 I sent an email asking him for a status update since I hadn't received
any additional information from him or his "associate/client".

8/9 his response:

"sorry abut the delay i had a short trip,
John Ayinla"

I'm still waiting.

I also tried to look him up and found a negative reference to someone of the
same name on Ebay, and no reference to his company, Ikeni Productions, Ltd.
Otherwise, zilch. I guess this is some sort of weirdness, not even sure if
it's a scam since nothing important or no information that couldn't be found
readily elsewhere was passed to him (or her, or them, I suppose).

Mike Shipman

David Kennedy

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Sep 12, 2006, 1:01:40 AM9/12/06
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This guy contacted me too earlier this summer! He knew a specific
photo of mine that he wanted but never followed through with a check
or any more information.

David Kennedy
Freelance Photographer
St. Louis MO
www.showmephotos.com
age fotostock
alamy

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Bob Croxford

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Sep 12, 2006, 7:55:50 AM9/12/06
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Dear Mike

This sounds very like a NIgerian 401 scam. They send out hundreds of these emails and if
they get a few suckers they then concentrate on them. Next stage is to send you a cheque
for much more than the amount with a request to send the balance to another third party.
Someties they say you can deduct an amount for your expenses. You think everything is
OK until the cheque is bounced by your bank up to six weeks later. I have seen one of
these cheques and it was a very crude B&W piece of paper done on a copy machine. What
is very worrying is that a reputable British bank said they would credit the payee's account
for as long as six weeks before making a correcting debit when it was proved a fake.

They have been operating in the UK making advance payments to wedding photographers
for non-existent weddings.

Bob Croxford

--- In STOCK...@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Shipman/Blue Planet Photography"

<man@...> wrote:
> I want it matted out to 16X24, and please I will prefer FEDEX as shipping
> option.I have not booked my hotel in Australia yet but it will be in
> Victoria, so you can estimate the shipping cost for victoria.
> i am just going there to sell, I am strictly an art dealer, i just buy and
> sell. i do not do any contracts. the arts that am unable to sell in
> Australia shall all return with me to my showroom in Dubai.
> let me know if there is anything else you will like to know and please get
> back to me soonest with what the total cost will be so i can make
> arrangements for payment. I will give instruction to one of my clients there
> in the united states to make the release of fund to you, I will also be
> needing the address, and the name to which the payment can be issued to.
> Once i am in receipt of the nessesary infomation we can set up the
> transactions,
> I await your response soonest.
> Regards,
> John."

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Mike Shipman/Blue Planet Photography

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Sep 12, 2006, 10:34:43 AM9/12/06
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I'm aware of those scams and that is why if I reply to these types of
inquiries I always make it clear that I will not ship any product until I
have cleared funds. I've gotten fairly good at spotting those scams, I
think, but sometimes I reply if they seem legitimate since it could be. I
never reply to requests from Nigeria, and this Dubai one set off bells
mostly because of the non-specific nature of it. He didn't care what photo I
sent. I don't take money orders, bank or cashiers checks as payment, either,
for that very reason.

Mike Shipman

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sirius

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Sep 12, 2006, 10:42:00 AM9/12/06
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> I'm aware of those scams and that is why if I reply to these types of
> inquiries I always make it clear that I will not ship any product
> until I
> have cleared funds. I've gotten fairly good at spotting those scams, I
> think, but sometimes I reply if they seem legitimate since it could
> be. I
> never reply to requests from Nigeria, and this Dubai one set off bells
> mostly because of the non-specific nature of it. He didn't care what
> photo I
> sent. I don't take money orders, bank or cashiers checks as payment,
> either,
> for that very reason.


I think most of the Nigeria scams have evolved and moved elsewhere. The
last one I got was a variation supposedly from a U.S. Army major trying
to get a warehouse full of U.S. currency out of Iraq.

Jeff Rankin-Lowe

Singh, Shangara

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Sep 12, 2006, 2:02:09 PM9/12/06
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On 12 Sep 2006, at 15:36, Mike Shipman/Blue Planet Photography wrote:

> I'm aware of those scams and that is why if I reply to these types of
> inquiries I always make it clear that I will not ship any product
> until I
> have cleared funds.


I may have got this wrong but my understanding is unless the cheque
is guaranteed, the sender can cancel it at any time, even after it
has been cleared and the sum credited to your account. For large
sums, you should insist on a guaranteed check, a banker's draft or
get them to use MoneyGram.

Shangara.

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