Hi all, new here but I'm moving to Birmingham for university in
October so I might as well make an input now.
I doubt I'll be able to get the time off to come down, but http://roguescience.org have a very interesting tutorial working through the basics of a MIDI
controller on the Arduino, I did it the other night and it'd be quite
easy to build a workshop on.
Dave
On 14 June, 14:52, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we
should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes
through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the
chip.
I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and
the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're
using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a
£25 proper board each time!
Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a good way to spend the evening.
Andrew.
Sent from my iPhone
On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the > chip.
> I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a > £25 proper board each time!
> nikki
>>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
>>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a >>> postcard...
>>> Ant
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So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a
free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the
house who'd want to lead a session?
Ant
On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my
> head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like
> that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a
> good way to spend the evening.
> Andrew.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we
> > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes
> > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the
> > chip.
> > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and
> > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
> > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're
> > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a
> > £25 proper board each time!
> > nikki
> >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an
> >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a
> >>> postcard...
> >>> Ant
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People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem
solving and enthusiasm levels.
I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my
way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
I could do with chums to work through either:
* some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials
* multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights
* or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves
transistors)
nikki
On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a
> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the
> house who'd want to lead a session?
> Ant
> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my
> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like
> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a
> > good way to spend the evening.
> > Andrew.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we
> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes
> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the
> > > chip.
> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and
> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're
> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a
> > > £25 proper board each time!
> > > nikki
> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an
> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a
> > >>> postcard...
> > >>> Ant
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[mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi Sent: 16 June 2010 16:49 To: Birmingham Hack Space Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
How about a P2P middle route where people find an online tutorial or project to work through together.
People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem solving and enthusiasm levels.
I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
I could do with chums to work through either: * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves transistors)
nikki
On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: > So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a > free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the > house who'd want to lead a session?
> Ant
> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my > > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like > > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a > > good way to spend the evening.
> > Andrew.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we > > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes > > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the > > > chip.
> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and > > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. > > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're > > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a > > > £25 proper board each time!
> > > nikki
> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an > > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a > > >>> postcard...
> > >>> Ant
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> People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> I could do with chums to work through either: > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves > transistors)
> nikki
> On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the >> house who'd want to lead a session?
>> Ant
>> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a >> > good way to spend the evening.
>> > Andrew.
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the >> > > chip.
>> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a >> > > £25 proper board each time!
>> > > nikki
>> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
>> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a >> > >>> postcard...
>> > >>> Ant
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I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
interested in I can factor that in.
It's very bare bones:
*Chip
*Socket
*Voltage regulator
*Crystal
*2 pairs of capacitors
*battery connector
and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
version.
The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
want to try the latter.
I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
Andrew N, Aaron?
nikki
On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> panel.
> I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> help people with that.
> > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem
> > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my
> > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> > I could do with chums to work through either:
> > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials
> > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights
> > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves
> > transistors)
> > nikki
> > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a
> >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the
> >> house who'd want to lead a session?
> >> Ant
> >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my
> >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like
> >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a
> >> > good way to spend the evening.
> >> > Andrew.
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we
> >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes
> >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the
> >> > > chip.
> >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and
> >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
> >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're
> >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a
> >> > > £25 proper board each time!
> >> > > nikki
> >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an
> >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a
> >> > >>> postcard...
> >> > >>> Ant
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:36 AM, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be > interested in I can factor that in.
> It's very bare bones: > *Chip > *Socket > *Voltage regulator > *Crystal > *2 pairs of capacitors > *battery connector > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB > version.
> The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely > want to try the latter.
> I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, > Andrew N, Aaron?
> nikki
> On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for >> bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
>> At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio >> based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar >> panel.
>> I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to >> help people with that.
>> > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem >> > solving and enthusiasm levels.
>> > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my >> > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
>> > I could do with chums to work through either: >> > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials >> > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights >> > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves >> > transistors)
>> > nikki
>> > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a >> >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the >> >> house who'd want to lead a session?
>> >> Ant
>> >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my >> >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like >> >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a >> >> > good way to spend the evening.
>> >> > Andrew.
>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we >> >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes >> >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the >> >> > > chip.
>> >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and >> >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. >> >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're >> >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a >> >> > > £25 proper board each time!
>> >> > > nikki
>> >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an >> >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
>> >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a >> >> > >>> postcard...
>> >> > >>> Ant
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> Yep I'm in for around 8 sets, without voltage regulator or crystal.
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:36 AM, genzaichi > <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so >> if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might >> be >> interested in I can factor that in.
>> It's very bare bones: >> *Chip >> *Socket >> *Voltage regulator >> *Crystal >> *2 pairs of capacitors >> *battery connector >> and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
>> I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the >> Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB >> version.
>> The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which >> I'll >> either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another >> Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely >> want to try the latter.
>> I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a >> gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, >> Andrew N, Aaron?
>> nikki
>> On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially >>> for >>> bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
>>> At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an >>> ardunio >>> based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar >>> panel.
>>> I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to >>> help people with that.
>>> Aaron
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
>>>> People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, >>>> problem >>>> solving and enthusiasm levels.
>>>> I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to >>>> bluff my >>>> way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
>>>> I could do with chums to work through either: >>>> * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit >>>> tutorials >>>> * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights >>>> * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves >>>> transistors)
>>>> nikki
>>>> On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not >>>>> just a >>>>> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in >>>>> the >>>>> house who'd want to lead a session?
>>>>> Ant
>>>>> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to >>>>>> get my >>>>>> head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I >>>>>> like >>>>>> that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up >>>>>> with a >>>>>> good way to spend the evening.
>>>>>> Andrew.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think at some stage - although probably not this time around >>>>>>> - we >>>>>>> should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) >>>>>>> that goes >>>>>>> through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and >>>>>>> programming the >>>>>>> chip.
>>>>>>> I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50- >>>>>>> off and >>>>>>> the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. >>>>>>> Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage >>>>>>> where you're >>>>>>> using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want >>>>>>> to use a >>>>>>> £25 proper board each time!
>>>>>>> nikki
>>>>>>>>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of >>>>>>>>> having an >>>>>>>>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
>>>>>>>>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a >>>>>>>>> postcard...
>>>>>>>>> Ant
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Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr chip, just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power arduino, that would be very nice :-)
[mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37 To: Birmingham Hack Space Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be interested in I can factor that in.
It's very bare bones: *Chip *Socket *Voltage regulator *Crystal *2 pairs of capacitors *battery connector and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB version.
The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely want to try the latter.
I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, Andrew N, Aaron?
nikki
On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar > panel.
> I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to > help people with that.
> > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem > > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my > > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> > I could do with chums to work through either: > > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials > > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights > > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves > > transistors)
> > nikki
> > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a > >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the > >> house who'd want to lead a session?
> >> Ant
> >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my > >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like > >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a > >> > good way to spend the evening.
> >> > Andrew.
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we > >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that goes > >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming the > >> > > chip.
> >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off and > >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. > >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where you're > >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use a > >> > > £25 proper board each time!
> >> > > nikki
> >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having an > >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a > >> > >>> postcard...
> >> > >>> Ant
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> Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr chip,
> just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power arduino,
> that would be very nice :-)
> [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> To: Birmingham Hack Space
> Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
> if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
> interested in I can factor that in.
> It's very bare bones:
> *Chip
> *Socket
> *Voltage regulator
> *Crystal
> *2 pairs of capacitors
> *battery connector
> and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
> Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
> version.
> The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
> either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
> Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
> want to try the latter.
> I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
> gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> Andrew N, Aaron?
> nikki
> On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> > panel.
> > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> > help people with that.
> > Aaron
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem
> > > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> > > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my
> > > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> > > I could do with chums to work through either:
> > > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials
> > > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights
> > > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves
> > > transistors)
> > > nikki
> > > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a
> > >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the
> > >> house who'd want to lead a session?
> > >> Ant
> > >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my
> > >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like
> > >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a
> > >> > good way to spend the evening.
> > >> > Andrew.
> > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we
> > >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that
> goes
> > >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming
> the
> > >> > > chip.
> > >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off
> and
> > >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
> > >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where
> you're
> > >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use
> a
> > >> > > £25 proper board each time!
> > >> > > nikki
> > >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having
> an
> > >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> > >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a
> > >> > >>> postcard...
> > >> > >>> Ant
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I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the
components and maybe some AVR programming.
Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't
take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened
url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link
getting truncated:
http://is.gd/cT4uz (.pdf)
On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date
> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components
> in?
> Ant
> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr chip,
> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power arduino,
> > that would be very nice :-)
> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
> > interested in I can factor that in.
> > It's very bare bones:
> > *Chip
> > *Socket
> > *Voltage regulator
> > *Crystal
> > *2 pairs of capacitors
> > *battery connector
> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
> > version.
> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
> > want to try the latter.
> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> > nikki
> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> > > panel.
> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> > > help people with that.
> > > Aaron
> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > > > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem
> > > > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> > > > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my
> > > > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> > > > I could do with chums to work through either:
> > > > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials
> > > > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights
> > > > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves
> > > > transistors)
> > > > nikki
> > > > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a
> > > >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the
> > > >> house who'd want to lead a session?
> > > >> Ant
> > > >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my
> > > >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like
> > > >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a
> > > >> > good way to spend the evening.
> > > >> > Andrew.
> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we
> > > >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that
> > goes
> > > >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming
> > the
> > > >> > > chip.
> > > >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off
> > and
> > > >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
> > > >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where
> > you're
> > > >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use
> > a
> > > >> > > £25 proper board each time!
> > > >> > > nikki
> > > >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having
> > an
> > > >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> > > >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a
> > > >> > >>> postcard...
> > > >> > >>> Ant
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Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the arduinohackshop.
I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled chips :-)
[mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57 To: Birmingham Hack Space Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the components and maybe some AVR programming. Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link getting truncated: http://is.gd/cT4uz (.pdf)
On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date > in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components > in?
> Ant
> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr chip, > > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power arduino, > > that would be very nice :-)
> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi > > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37 > > To: Birmingham Hack Space > > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so > > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be > > interested in I can factor that in.
> > It's very bare bones: > > *Chip > > *Socket > > *Voltage regulator > > *Crystal > > *2 pairs of capacitors > > *battery connector > > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the > > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB > > version.
> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll > > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another > > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely > > want to try the latter.
> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a > > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, > > Andrew N, Aaron?
> > nikki
> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for > > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio > > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar > > > panel.
> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to > > > help people with that.
> > > Aaron
> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > > > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, problem > > > > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> > > > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff my > > > > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> > > > I could do with chums to work through either: > > > > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit tutorials > > > > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights > > > > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves > > > > transistors)
> > > > nikki
> > > > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not just a > > > >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in the > > > >> house who'd want to lead a session?
> > > >> Ant
> > > >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get my > > > >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I like > > > >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with a > > > >> > good way to spend the evening.
> > > >> > Andrew.
> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around - we > > > >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that > > goes > > > >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and programming > > the > > > >> > > chip.
> > > >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for 50-off > > and > > > >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. > > > >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where > > you're > > > >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to use > > a > > > >> > > £25 proper board each time!
> > > >> > > nikki
> > > >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of having > > an > > > >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to do?
> > > >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a > > > >> > >>> postcard...
> > > >> > >>> Ant
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> Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the > arduinohackshop.
> I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled > chips :-)
> Best wishes,
> Andrew.
> -----Original Message----- > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57 > To: Birmingham Hack Space > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the > components and maybe some AVR programming. > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link > getting truncated: > http://is.gd/cT4uz (.pdf)
> On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components >> in?
>> Ant
>> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> >> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr > chip, >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power > arduino, >> > that would be very nice :-)
>> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37 >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
>> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be >> > interested in I can factor that in.
>> > It's very bare bones: >> > *Chip >> > *Socket >> > *Voltage regulator >> > *Crystal >> > *2 pairs of capacitors >> > *battery connector >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
>> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB >> > version.
>> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely >> > want to try the latter.
>> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
>> > nikki
>> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
>> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar >> > > panel.
>> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to >> > > help people with that.
>> > > Aaron
>> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
>> > > > It's Column #6, Silicon Steroids for Your Stamp. All the other >> > nuts'n'volts >> > > > articles there are good for lots of beginner topics.
>> > > > Best wishes,
>> > > > Andrew.
>> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com >> > > > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > genzaichi >> > > > Sent: 16 June 2010 16:49 >> > > > To: Birmingham Hack Space >> > > > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
>> > > > How about a P2P middle route where people find an online tutorial or >> > > > project to work through together.
>> > > > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components, > problem >> > > > solving and enthusiasm levels.
>> > > > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff > my >> > > > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
>> > > > I could do with chums to work through either: >> > > > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit > tutorials >> > > > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights >> > > > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves >> > > > transistors)
>> > > > nikki
>> > > > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not > just a >> > > >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in > the >> > > >> house who'd want to lead a session?
>> > > >> Ant
>> > > >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get > my >> > > >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I > like >> > > >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with > a >> > > >> > good way to spend the evening.
>> > > >> > Andrew.
>> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> > wrote:
>> > > >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around > - we >> > > >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that >> > goes >> > > >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and > programming >> > the >> > > >> > > chip.
>> > > >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for > 50-off >> > and >> > > >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'. >> > > >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where >> > you're >> > > >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to > use >> > a >> > > >> > > £25 proper board each time!
>> > > >> > > nikki
>> > > >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of > having >> > an >> > > >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to > do?
>> > > >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a >> > > >> > >>> postcard...
>> > > >> > >>> Ant
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Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll
check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a
good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the
£15/£20 sort of mark.
Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing
would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining
with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something
about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein
of thinking...
nikki
On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the
> > arduinohackshop.
> > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be
> > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be
> > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought
> > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled
> > chips :-)
> > Best wishes,
> > Andrew.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57
> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the
> > components and maybe some AVR programming.
> > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't
> > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened
> > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link
> > getting truncated:
> >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date
> >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components
> >> in?
> >> Ant
> >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr
> > chip,
> >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power
> > arduino,
> >> > that would be very nice :-)
> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
> >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
> >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> >> > It's very bare bones:
> >> > *Chip
> >> > *Socket
> >> > *Voltage regulator
> >> > *Crystal
> >> > *2 pairs of capacitors
> >> > *battery connector
> >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
> >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
> >> > version.
> >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
> >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
> >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
> >> > want to try the latter.
> >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
> >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> >> > nikki
> >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> >> > > panel.
> >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> >> > > help people with that.
> >> > > Aaron
> >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
> >> > > > It's Column #6, Silicon Steroids for Your Stamp. All the other
> >> > nuts'n'volts
> >> > > > articles there are good for lots of beginner topics.
> >> > > > People can pool resources when it comes to buying components,
> > problem
> >> > > > solving and enthusiasm levels.
> >> > > > I haven't really mastered the basics yet, but have managed to bluff
> > my
> >> > > > way through more advanced stuff to make projects happen!
> >> > > > I could do with chums to work through either:
> >> > > > * some basics such as Earthshine Designs Arduino Starter Kit
> > tutorials
> >> > > > * multiplexing - for lots of blinky lights
> >> > > > * or using Arduino to control bigger stuff. (I think this involves
> >> > > > transistors)
> >> > > > nikki
> >> > > > On Jun 16, 1:44 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> So it sounds like more of a tutorial environment is needed, not
> > just a
> >> > > >> free-for-all. Next question is, are there any Arduino experts in
> > the
> >> > > >> house who'd want to lead a session?
> >> > > >> Ant
> >> > > >> On Jun 16, 12:07 pm, Andrew Nixon <andrewnix...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >> > Totally agree with Nikki. I for one would like to be able to get
> > my
> >> > > >> > head round the arduino a bit more. As for an arduino session I
> > like
> >> > > >> > that idea too but aren't quite imaginative enough to come up with
> > a
> >> > > >> > good way to spend the evening.
> >> > > >> > Andrew.
> >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > > >> > On 15 Jun 2010, at 14:45, genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> > > >> > > I think at some stage - although probably not this time around
> > - we
> >> > > >> > > should do a workshop (ie buying the components in in bulk) that
> >> > goes
> >> > > >> > > through building your own bare-bones Arduino board and
> > programming
> >> > the
> >> > > >> > > chip.
> >> > > >> > > I've just done a calculation based on buying components for
> > 50-off
> >> > and
> >> > > >> > > the cost of components looks like being about £4-5 per 'board'.
> >> > > >> > > Definitely worth it if, like me, you've reached the stage where
> >> > you're
> >> > > >> > > using the Arduino platform a lot for projects and don't want to
> > use
> >> > a
> >> > > >> > > £25 proper board each time!
> >> > > >> > > nikki
> >> > > >> > >>> At the most recent session we discussed the possibility of
> > having
> >> > an
> >> > > >> > >>> Arduino themed hack session. Is it something you'd want to
> > do?
> >> > > >> > >>> Also, what could we do or build as part of it? Answers on a
> >> > > >> > >>> postcard...
> >> > > >> > >>> Ant
> >> > > >> > > --
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> > Google
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Sleep mode is pretty much a feature of most microcontrollers. The biggest problem is that to use a2d a voltage regulator is normally needed (although for some things I think avr's have an internal 1V ref), so the power supply can waste power when sleeping. It could be quite interesting to try to make a very low power arduino, and using 8mhz like in your link would help.
I can have a quick search for a programmer if needed. However, are you thinking of a cheap avr in-circuit cable, or a better zif socket multi-purpose programmer? My experience is that the latter is worth the extra cost, especially if you want flexibility for hacking, workshops, etc.
-----Original Message----- From: genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> Sent: 19 June 2010 19:11 To: Birmingham Hack Space <birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com> Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the £15/£20 sort of mark.
Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein of thinking...
nikki
On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot > loader had a long reset delay.
> A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get > quite a lot of use.
> > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the > > arduinohackshop.
> > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be > > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be > > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought > > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled > > chips :-)
> > Best wishes,
> > Andrew.
> > -----Original Message----- > > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi > > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57 > > To: Birmingham Hack Space > > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the > > components and maybe some AVR programming. > > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't > > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened > > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link > > getting truncated: > >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date > >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components > >> in?
> >> Ant
> >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> > >> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr > > chip, > >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power > > arduino, > >> > that would be very nice :-)
> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi > >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37 > >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space > >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so > >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be > >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> >> > It's very bare bones: > >> > *Chip > >> > *Socket > >> > *Voltage regulator > >> > *Crystal > >> > *2 pairs of capacitors > >> > *battery connector > >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the > >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB > >> > version.
> >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll > >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another > >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely > >> > want to try the latter.
> >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a > >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, > >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> >> > nikki
> >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for > >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio > >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar > >> > > panel.
> >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to > >> > > help people with that.
> >> > > Aaron
> >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
Andrew is right, the biggest problem is the voltage regulator. In some of the tests I've done the regulator accounts for over 50% of the sleeping power consumption.
> Sleep mode is pretty much a feature of most microcontrollers. The biggest problem is that to use a2d a voltage regulator is normally needed (although for some things I think avr's have an internal 1V ref), so the power supply can waste power when sleeping. It could be quite interesting to try to make a very low power arduino, and using 8mhz like in your link would help.
> I can have a quick search for a programmer if needed. However, are you thinking of a cheap avr in-circuit cable, or a better zif socket multi-purpose programmer? My experience is that the latter is worth the extra cost, especially if you want flexibility for hacking, workshops, etc.
> Best wishes,
> Andrew.
> -----Original Message----- > From: genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com> > Sent: 19 June 2010 19:11 > To: Birmingham Hack Space <birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll > check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a > good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the > £15/£20 sort of mark.
> Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing > would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
> Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining > with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something > about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein > of thinking...
> nikki
> On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot >> loader had a long reset delay.
>> A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get >> quite a lot of use.
>> > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the >> > arduinohackshop.
>> > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be >> > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be >> > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought >> > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled >> > chips :-)
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Andrew.
>> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57 >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
>> > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the >> > components and maybe some AVR programming. >> > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't >> > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
>> > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened >> > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link >> > getting truncated: >> >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
>> > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date >> >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components >> >> in?
>> >> Ant
>> >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> >> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr >> > chip, >> >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power >> > arduino, >> >> > that would be very nice :-)
>> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi >> >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37 >> >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space >> >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
>> >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so >> >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be >> >> > interested in I can factor that in.
>> >> > It's very bare bones: >> >> > *Chip >> >> > *Socket >> >> > *Voltage regulator >> >> > *Crystal >> >> > *2 pairs of capacitors >> >> > *battery connector >> >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
>> >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the >> >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB >> >> > version.
>> >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll >> >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another >> >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely >> >> > want to try the latter.
>> >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a >> >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, >> >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
>> >> > nikki
>> >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for >> >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
>> >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio >> >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar >> >> > > panel.
>> >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to >> >> > > help people with that.
>> >> > > Aaron
>> >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
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I have one, and would bring it along to a meeting, for people to use
(but I'm in a flacky state of health, so I'm not very reliable). It
can program an 8-bit AVR, including ATtiny, and not just ATmega, so
handy if you want to make a smaller cheaper gizmo than an Arduino.
As Nikki says the Arduino can be used to program another Arduino.
The hardware programming interface is SPI, i.e. the AVR looks like a
very tiny flash memory. An Arduino can be an SPI master (when it's
doing the programming), or an SPI slave (when it's being programmed).
This should be able to program any AVR in theory, but I haven't
noticed if anyone has tried.
The folks at obdev developed USB for AVR, without needing USB
hardware; it's all done in software (extremely interesting, well worth
a look).
They developed a USB AVR programmer:
http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/usbasploader.html The license is restricted somewhat, you can make small quantities for
your own use, but not sell them.
The PCB's are $5+P&P from the USA, P&P was $11.64, so about $7.35 each
(remembering to keep under the VAT free £18 import limit)
The part cost is well under £5, except for the nifty case, which I've
only found in the USA.
If you look at the tutorial http://www.ladyada.net/make/usbtinyisp/solder.html You can see that it is just about buildable on veroboard, though I
haven't tried. An awkward bit might be the USB socket, the ones I
bought aren't on a 0.1" pitch.
All of these approaches use an 'Atmel standard' 6 pin header, arranged
as a 2x3, so we could make an adapter out of a bit of veroboard to
make it easy to plug the 2x3 plug into breadboard, or as folks have
suggested, get a ZIF socket, and mount it on veroboard, or something.
E.g. http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Connectors-Multipole/DIL... which is £11.69 for 28-pin, which would be okay for an ATmega, and
with some thought, maybe, could be used for ATtiny too.
If folks wanted a reasonably stable and robust DIYduino, it could be
moved onto veroboard and soldered up, and their are a bunch of PCB's
available. I have an interesting single sided PCB a friend made for
me, which I could bring along.
> Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll
> check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a
> good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the
> £15/£20 sort of mark.
> Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing
> would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
> Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining
> with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something
> about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein
> of thinking...
> nikki
> On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot
> > loader had a long reset delay.
> > A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get
> > quite a lot of use.
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the
> > > arduinohackshop.
> > > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be
> > > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be
> > > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought
> > > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled
> > > chips :-)
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Andrew.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> > > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57
> > > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the
> > > components and maybe some AVR programming.
> > > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't
> > > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> > > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened
> > > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link
> > > getting truncated:
> > >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> > > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date
> > >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components
> > >> in?
> > >> Ant
> > >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr
> > > chip,
> > >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power
> > > arduino,
> > >> > that would be very nice :-)
> > >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> > >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> > >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
> > >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
> > >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> > >> > It's very bare bones:
> > >> > *Chip
> > >> > *Socket
> > >> > *Voltage regulator
> > >> > *Crystal
> > >> > *2 pairs of capacitors
> > >> > *battery connector
> > >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> > >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
> > >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
> > >> > version.
> > >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
> > >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
> > >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
> > >> > want to try the latter.
> > >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
> > >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> > >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> > >> > nikki
> > >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> > >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> > >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> > >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> > >> > > panel.
> > >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> > >> > > help people with that.
> > >> > > Aaron
> > >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > >> > > > It's Column #6, Silicon Steroids for Your Stamp. All the other
> > >> > nuts'n'volts
> > >> > > > articles there are good for lots of beginner topics.
As ever, Andrew is correct.
There are very, very few voltage regulators which use very little
power. Martin Barrat did a very good presentation on this very topic
at MINOS 2010, I think his slides are on micromouseonline.com.
Even the ones that claim to consume no current, actually need an
output load which do consume enough current to keep them operating
properly!
There is nothing to stop runing the Arduino directly off a battery
though.
The internal 1.1V reference that the ATmega microcontroller supplies
would be okay for small voltages. A problem is though, that higher
voltages will need some sort of voltage divider, to get the voltage
down to 1.1V, and a simple voltage divider using resistors would need
to be about 10K, and hence use a big fraction of a milliamp itself.
GB
On Jun 19, 11:15 pm, Andrew Thomas <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sleep mode is pretty much a feature of most microcontrollers. The biggest problem is that to use a2d a voltage regulator is normally needed (although for some things I think avr's have an internal 1V ref), so the power supply can waste power when sleeping. It could be quite interesting to try to make a very low power arduino, and using 8mhz like in your link would help.
> I can have a quick search for a programmer if needed. However, are you thinking of a cheap avr in-circuit cable, or a better zif socket multi-purpose programmer? My experience is that the latter is worth the extra cost, especially if you want flexibility for hacking, workshops, etc.
> Best wishes,
> Andrew.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: genzaichi <genzai...@googlemail.com>
> Sent: 19 June 2010 19:11
> To: Birmingham Hack Space <birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll
> check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a
> good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the
> £15/£20 sort of mark.
> Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing
> would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
> Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining
> with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something
> about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein
> of thinking...
> nikki
> On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot
> > loader had a long reset delay.
> > A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get
> > quite a lot of use.
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the
> > > arduinohackshop.
> > > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be
> > > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be
> > > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought
> > > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled
> > > chips :-)
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Andrew.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> > > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57
> > > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the
> > > components and maybe some AVR programming.
> > > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't
> > > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> > > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened
> > > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link
> > > getting truncated:
> > >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> > > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date
> > >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components
> > >> in?
> > >> Ant
> > >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr
> > > chip,
> > >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power
> > > arduino,
> > >> > that would be very nice :-)
> > >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> > >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> > >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
> > >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
> > >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> > >> > It's very bare bones:
> > >> > *Chip
> > >> > *Socket
> > >> > *Voltage regulator
> > >> > *Crystal
> > >> > *2 pairs of capacitors
> > >> > *battery connector
> > >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> > >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
> > >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
> > >> > version.
> > >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
> > >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
> > >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
> > >> > want to try the latter.
> > >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
> > >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> > >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> > >> > nikki
> > >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> > >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> > >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> > >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> > >> > > panel.
> > >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> > >> > > help people with that.
> > >> > > Aaron
> > >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
On Jun 20, 2:28 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew is right, the biggest problem is the voltage regulator. In some
> of the tests I've done the regulator accounts for over 50% of the
> sleeping power consumption.
> I'm considering not using a regulator and measuring Vin
> (http://code.google.com/p/tinkerit/wiki/SecretVoltmeter) before using
> the a2d. If the 1V ref can be access externally that might be an even
> better option.
Nifty idea, using the AREF!
Looking at the ATmega 48/88/168/328 document (doc8161),
especially "Figure 23-1. Analog to Digital Converter Block Schematic
Operation"
It looks like the internal reference voltage might be available on
AREF. There is just a MOSFET to disconnect it.
Neat.
> The downside of not using a regulator is the Ardunio will be more
> sensitive to small changes in supply voltage.
Big capacitor? It might need one anyway to store energy from the solar
cell, maybe?
I have a copy of "The Art of Electronics" which has a whole chapter on
micropower design, including some approaches to switching power itself
(I haven't read it though).
My health is a bit flacky, but I plan to bring it to a meeting for
Andrew T, so maybe have a glance then?
> For the programmer I have the Avr V2 ISP which can be a bit of a pain
> to use with breadboards but works very well.
Sounds little a bit of veroboard for a 2x3 pin adapter would be
handy :-)
> > Sleep mode is pretty much a feature of most microcontrollers. The biggest problem is that to use a2d a voltage regulator is normally needed (although for some things I think avr's have an internal 1V ref), so the power supply can waste power when sleeping. It could be quite interesting to try to make a very low power arduino, and using 8mhz like in your link would help.
> > I can have a quick search for a programmer if needed. However, are you thinking of a cheap avr in-circuit cable, or a better zif socket multi-purpose programmer? My experience is that the latter is worth the extra cost, especially if you want flexibility for hacking, workshops, etc.
> > Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll
> > check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a
> > good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the
> > £15/£20 sort of mark.
> > Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing
> > would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
> > Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining
> > with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something
> > about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein
> > of thinking...
> > nikki
> > On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot
> >> loader had a long reset delay.
> >> A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get
> >> quite a lot of use.
> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Thomas
> >> > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the
> >> > arduinohackshop.
> >> > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be
> >> > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be
> >> > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought
> >> > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled
> >> > chips :-)
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> > Andrew.
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57
> >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> >> > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the
> >> > components and maybe some AVR programming.
> >> > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't
> >> > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> >> > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened
> >> > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link
> >> > getting truncated:
> >> >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> >> > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date
> >> >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components
> >> >> in?
> >> >> Ant
> >> >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr
> >> > chip,
> >> >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power
> >> > arduino,
> >> >> > that would be very nice :-)
> >> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi
> >> >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> >> >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> >> >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> >> >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so
> >> >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be
> >> >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> >> >> > It's very bare bones:
> >> >> > *Chip
> >> >> > *Socket
> >> >> > *Voltage regulator
> >> >> > *Crystal
> >> >> > *2 pairs of capacitors
> >> >> > *battery connector
> >> >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> >> >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the
> >> >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB
> >> >> > version.
> >> >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll
> >> >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another
> >> >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely
> >> >> > want to try the latter.
> >> >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a
> >> >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> >> >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> >> >> > nikki
> >> >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for
> >> >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> >> >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio
> >> >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar
> >> >> > > panel.
> >> >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to
> >> >> > > help people with that.
> >> >> > > Aaron
> >> >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
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I seem to remember seeing in a magazine (?elektor?) ages ago a simple regulating circuit that allows for a sleep mode. I think it was a little chip and needed a capacitor and inductor (may have been a switch mode chip). If I find it I'll let you know. I'll be very interested in Aaron's info on power consumption and using an avr with just a battery :-)
I agree with Gary about a bit of veroboard. For my PicKit programmer I built little veroboard adaptors for different microcontrollers, with a few header pins to connect the two, and it worked quite well. Maybe if FizzPop got the same one as Aaron we could put together a veroboard design for others to copy (and maybe Aaron could teach us how to use it)?
[mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of G Bulmer Sent: 20 June 2010 15:24 To: Birmingham Hack Space Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
On Jun 20, 2:28 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andrew is right, the biggest problem is the voltage regulator. In some > of the tests I've done the regulator accounts for over 50% of the > sleeping power consumption. Might be worth looking at Martin Barrat's slides? http://micromouseonline.com/sites/default/files/minos10/minos10-barra... r.pdf though very low power wasn't his focus, he did suggest ways to reduce the quiescent current.
> I'm considering not using a regulator and measuring Vin > (http://code.google.com/p/tinkerit/wiki/SecretVoltmeter) before using > the a2d. If the 1V ref can be access externally that might be an even > better option. Nifty idea, using the AREF!
Looking at the ATmega 48/88/168/328 document (doc8161), especially "Figure 23-1. Analog to Digital Converter Block Schematic Operation"
It looks like the internal reference voltage might be available on AREF. There is just a MOSFET to disconnect it. Neat.
> The downside of not using a regulator is the Ardunio will be more > sensitive to small changes in supply voltage. Big capacitor? It might need one anyway to store energy from the solar cell, maybe?
I have a copy of "The Art of Electronics" which has a whole chapter on micropower design, including some approaches to switching power itself (I haven't read it though). My health is a bit flacky, but I plan to bring it to a meeting for Andrew T, so maybe have a glance then?
> For the programmer I have the Avr V2 ISP which can be a bit of a pain > to use with breadboards but works very well. Sounds little a bit of veroboard for a 2x3 pin adapter would be handy :-)
> > Sleep mode is pretty much a feature of most microcontrollers. The biggest problem is that to use a2d a voltage regulator is normally needed (although for some things I think avr's have an internal 1V ref), so the power supply can waste power when sleeping. It could be quite interesting to try to make a very low power arduino, and using 8mhz like in your link would help.
> > I can have a quick search for a programmer if needed. However, are you thinking of a cheap avr in-circuit cable, or a better zif socket multi-purpose programmer? My experience is that the latter is worth the extra cost, especially if you want flexibility for hacking, workshops, etc.
> > Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll > > check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a > > good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the > > £15/£20 sort of mark.
> > Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing > > would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
> > Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining > > with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something > > about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein > > of thinking...
> > nikki
> > On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot > >> loader had a long reset delay.
> >> A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get > >> quite a lot of use.
> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Thomas
> >> > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the > >> > arduinohackshop.
> >> > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer shouldn't be > >> > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would it be > >> > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a thought > >> > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader enabled > >> > chips :-)
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> > Andrew.
> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com > >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi > >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57 > >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space > >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> >> > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the > >> > components and maybe some AVR programming. > >> > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't > >> > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> >> > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened > >> > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link > >> > getting truncated: > >> >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> >> > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a date > >> >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get components > >> >> in?
> >> >> Ant
> >> >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> > >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare avr > >> > chip, > >> >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power > >> > arduino, > >> >> > that would be very nice :-)
> >> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of genzaichi > >> >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37 > >> >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space > >> >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> >> >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston, so > >> >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they might be > >> >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> >> >> > It's very bare bones: > >> >> > *Chip > >> >> > *Socket > >> >> > *Voltage regulator > >> >> > *Crystal > >> >> > *2 pairs of capacitors > >> >> > *battery connector > >> >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> >> >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive the > >> >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a PCB > >> >> > version.
> >> >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which I'll > >> >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with another > >> >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I definitely > >> >> > want to try the latter.
> >> >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if a > >> >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in, > >> >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> >> >> > nikki
> >> >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components, especially for > >> >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> >> >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an ardunio > >> >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small solar > >> >> > > panel.
> >> >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able to > >> >> > > help people with that.
> >> >> > > Aaron
> >> >> > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Andrew Thomas
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I've had a quick look around for cheap programmers, and I've found
this:
http://fab.cba.mit.edu/content/projects/fabisp/ While it's only ISP and not got as many features as some of the other
suggestions, it might be worth etching a few boards (Or I'd be willing
to put in an order with BatchPCB if there's enough interest) so that
there's a few of them knocking around fizzPop.
On Jun 20, 8:46 pm, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> I seem to remember seeing in a magazine (?elektor?) ages ago a simple
> regulating circuit that allows for a sleep mode. I think it was a little
> chip and needed a capacitor and inductor (may have been a switch mode chip).
> If I find it I'll let you know. I'll be very interested in Aaron's info on
> power consumption and using an avr with just a battery :-)
> I agree with Gary about a bit of veroboard. For my PicKit programmer I built
> little veroboard adaptors for different microcontrollers, with a few header
> pins to connect the two, and it worked quite well. Maybe if FizzPop got the
> same one as Aaron we could put together a veroboard design for others to
> copy (and maybe Aaron could teach us how to use it)?
> [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of G Bulmer
> Sent: 20 June 2010 15:24
> To: Birmingham Hack Space
> Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> On Jun 20, 2:28 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andrew is right, the biggest problem is the voltage regulator. In some
> > of the tests I've done the regulator accounts for over 50% of the
> > sleeping power consumption.
> Might be worth looking at Martin Barrat's slides?http://micromouseonline.com/sites/default/files/minos10/minos10-barra...
> r.pdf
> though very low power wasn't his focus, he did suggest ways to reduce
> the quiescent current.
> > I'm considering not using a regulator and measuring Vin
> > (http://code.google.com/p/tinkerit/wiki/SecretVoltmeter) before using
> > the a2d. If the 1V ref can be access externally that might be an even
> > better option.
> Nifty idea, using the AREF!
> Looking at the ATmega 48/88/168/328 document (doc8161),
> especially "Figure 23-1. Analog to Digital Converter Block Schematic
> Operation"
> It looks like the internal reference voltage might be available on
> AREF. There is just a MOSFET to disconnect it.
> Neat.
> > The downside of not using a regulator is the Ardunio will be more
> > sensitive to small changes in supply voltage.
> Big capacitor? It might need one anyway to store energy from the solar
> cell, maybe?
> I have a copy of "The Art of Electronics" which has a whole chapter on
> micropower design, including some approaches to switching power itself
> (I haven't read it though).
> My health is a bit flacky, but I plan to bring it to a meeting for
> Andrew T, so maybe have a glance then?
> > For the programmer I have the Avr V2 ISP which can be a bit of a pain
> > to use with breadboards but works very well.
> Sounds little a bit of veroboard for a 2x3 pin adapter would be
> handy :-)
> > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > > Sleep mode is pretty much a feature of most microcontrollers. The
> biggest problem is that to use a2d a voltage regulator is normally needed
> (although for some things I think avr's have an internal 1V ref), so the
> power supply can waste power when sleeping. It could be quite interesting to
> try to make a very low power arduino, and using 8mhz like in your link would
> help.
> > > I can have a quick search for a programmer if needed. However, are you
> thinking of a cheap avr in-circuit cable, or a better zif socket
> multi-purpose programmer? My experience is that the latter is worth the
> extra cost, especially if you want flexibility for hacking, workshops, etc.
> > > Yeah, sounds like an AVR programmer would be worth investing in. I'll
> > > check at Aston next week to see what they're using and if we can get a
> > > good price on one. The others I've seen seem to start from about the
> > > £15/£20 sort of mark.
> > > Do you guys want to have a look 'round and see what sort of thing
> > > would meet your needs, 'cos I have no knowledge of this sort of thing.
> > > Neither of them take particularly long, so might be worth combining
> > > with looking through low power options and I think I've seen something
> > > about a sleep function somewhere too that might fit in with this vein
> > > of thinking...
> > > nikki
> > > On Jun 17, 9:51 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> That is a good link, I didn't realize that the original Lilllpad boot
> > >> loader had a long reset delay.
> > >> A fizz pop avr programmer sounds like a good idea it'd probably get
> > >> quite a lot of use.
> > >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Andrew Thomas
> > >> > Thanks, that's an interesting link. I might try it when you do the
> > >> > arduinohackshop.
> > >> > I was thinking (dangerous I know) that a simple avr programmer
> shouldn't be
> > >> > more that a tenner, and lots of people might find it useful, so would
> it be
> > >> > a good idea if fizzpop got one to go with its other tools? Just a
> thought
> > >> > (and maybe fizzpop could make some pin money selling bootloader
> enabled
> > >> > chips :-)
> > >> > Best wishes,
> > >> > Andrew.
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com
> > >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> genzaichi
> > >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 18:57
> > >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > >> > I've a meeting late next week when I can discuss ordering the
> > >> > components and maybe some AVR programming.
> > >> > Will have a think about dates for the hack session after that. Won't
> > >> > take very long for components to arrive once they've been ordered.
> > >> > Also, Andrew, thanks for the Nuts and Volts link. Here's a shortened
> > >> > url in case anyone else who was having trouble with the long link
> > >> > getting truncated:
> > >> >http://is.gd/cT4uz(.pdf)
> > >> > On Jun 17, 4:58 pm, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> So, it looks like a build-your-own Arduino session? Do we have a
> date
> > >> >> in mind for making it happen? How long would it take to get
> components
> > >> >> in?
> > >> >> Ant
> > >> >> On Jun 17, 11:42 am, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > Hi,
> > >> >> > Sorry to be stingy: I'd be interested in one (plus maybe a spare
> avr
> > >> > chip,
> > >> >> > just in case). I'm with Aaron on trying to make a very low power
> > >> > arduino,
> > >> >> > that would be very nice :-)
> > >> >> > [mailto:birmingham-hack-space@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> genzaichi
> > >> >> > Sent: 17 June 2010 07:37
> > >> >> > To: Birmingham Hack Space
> > >> >> > Subject: [birmingham-hack-space] Re: Arduino Hack Session?
> > >> >> > I'll be ordering components soonish through our friends at Aston,
> so
> > >> >> > if people speak up with a rough idea about how many sets they
> might be
> > >> >> > interested in I can factor that in.
> > >> >> > It's very bare bones:
> > >> >> > *Chip
> > >> >> > *Socket
> > >> >> > *Voltage regulator
> > >> >> > *Crystal
> > >> >> > *2 pairs of capacitors
> > >> >> > *battery connector
> > >> >> > and a few other bits and bobs like battery clip and power led
> > >> >> > I've thus far used one (breadboarded) with this set-up to drive
> the
> > >> >> > Secret Knock in the Box, and will be using a load more soon on a
> PCB
> > >> >> > version.
> > >> >> > The chips are blank and will need the bootloader putting on which
> I'll
> > >> >> > either be doing at Aston with their AVR programmers or with
> another
> > >> >> > Arduino board. Or probably a combination of both, 'cos I
> definitely
> > >> >> > want to try the latter.
> > >> >> > I/we can probably make a build-your-own-arduino session happen if
> a
> > >> >> > gang of people register their interest ahead of time. Are you in,
> > >> >> > Andrew N, Aaron?
> > >> >> > nikki
> > >> >> > On Jun 16, 11:36 pm, Aaron Shrimpton <aaro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > I'm interested in pooling resources to buy components,
> especially for
> > >> >> > > bare bones / special purpose Ardunios
> > >> >> > > At the moment I'm trying reducing the power consumption of an
> ardunio
> > >> >> > > based sensor platform, hopefully to within the realms of small
> solar
> > >> >> > > panel.
> > >> >> > > I've implemented a breadboard ardunio before so I might be able
> to
> > >> >> > > help people with that.
There's alternate firmware for the Bus Pirate that acts as an AVR programmer. A bus pirate costs a little more than some of the suggestions but it does have other uses.
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Dave Nash <plainn...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've had a quick look around for cheap programmers, and I've found > this: > http://fab.cba.mit.edu/content/projects/fabisp/ > While it's only ISP and not got as many features as some of the other > suggestions, it might be worth etching a few boards (Or I'd be willing > to put in an order with BatchPCB if there's enough interest) so that > there's a few of them knocking around fizzPop.
