Inside Out
genzaichi
At this week's hack session Sandra (from Friction Arts) invited
fizzPOP to take part in their up-coming Inside Out festival:
"Swiftly followed from the 24th-26th of September by the Inside Out
Festival. The launch night at the Edge on the 24th of September
features a return visit by our favourite Canadian four-part harmony,
cello and banjo playing funsters, the Wilderness of Manitoba - not to
be missed. This will be coupled with a whole weekend of art,
performance, intervention, film screenings and the like, all centred
at the Edge, with a whole range of stuff going on in the surrounding
streets. The theme for the festival is ‘Come and have a day off at
the Edge’ and is looking at themes of leisure, the inside-out and back
to front – and anything else we feel (in)appropriate – watch this
space for more details."
There's a budget of £200 and they'd like us to do a thing.
Wide open at the moment, but an initial suggestion was maybe doing
some of the Graffiti Research Lab type stuff projected onto the walls
around the courtyard.
http://www.graffitiresearchlab.com/
http://friispray.co.uk/
I can help out, but don't have time to be project lead on this.
Is anyone else interested in getting involved in the festival and/or
have any ideas?
If no-one shows any interest will hand it back to them so they can use
the money elsewhere or something.
nikki
Mark Walker
Couldnt this sort of money make a laser harp into a reality for them?
My first thoughts anyway. /me is at work and thus should be doing so :P
Cypher
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Adrian Beaumont
Ade.
Adrian Beaumont
http://www.iospirit.com/products/remotebuddy/
and using wiimotes and iphones to control a mac for drawing grafitti through the projector.
Even better, could it be used to interact with Processing to change effects, colours etc??
Ade.
Adrian Beaumont
Andrew Thomas
Brilliant, thanks, I've been planning to find time to search for how to interface a wiimote to processing in linux, and your link just saved me loads of time.
For a really quick hack a single ir led stuck to the screen, with a front projector, would let you use the wiimote like a spray can. For a better hack, the wiimote can track four ir led's. If they were stuck on the projector screen they could be used to estimate distance and angle for some extra paint effects.
Obviously your hack is much better, especially as backlit, but for a really quick hack the above is worth thinking about.
*sound of doors creaking as he goes to find his wiimote*
Best wishes,
Andrew.
Bingo
http://www.instructables.com/id/virtual-graffiti/
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genzaichi
Would also love to learn a bit more about wiimote hacking.
Keep the ideas bouncing around - s'all good at this stage. Even if an
idea doesn't get picked up for Inside Out (not a lot of time to
prepare) we can always come back to it later.
Just pondering that if we're going to put £200 into something, it
would be good if we can make that thing work hard for us afterwards.
If we need to borrow projectors to use it again, that might make it
slightly less useful sort of thing. Just a thought.
Kate's also after things to display as part of Geek's World on Sept
19th, if we're clever/fast we could double up, perhaps?
nikki
On Aug 20, 1:25 pm, Andrew Thomas <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Adrian,
>
> Brilliant, thanks, I've been planning to find time to search for how to interface a wiimote to processing in linux, and your link just saved me loads of time.
>
> For a really quick hack a single ir led stuck to the screen, with a front projector, would let you use the wiimote like a spray can. For a better hack, the wiimote can track four ir led's. If they were stuck on the projector screen they could be used to estimate distance and angle for some extra paint effects.
>
> Obviously your hack is much better, especially as backlit, but for a really quick hack the above is worth thinking about.
>
> *sound of doors creaking as he goes to find his wiimote*
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Beaumont <ajbeaum...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 20 August 2010 11:35
> To: birmingham...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [birmingham-hack-space] Inside Out
>
> On 20 August 2010 11:23, Adrian Beaumont <ajbeaum...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Or, what about installing this on a mac:
> >http://www.iospirit.com/products/remotebuddy/
>
> > and using wiimotes and iphones to control a mac for drawing grafitti
> > through the projector.
>
> > Even better, could it be used to interact with Processing to change
> > effects, colours etc??
>
> > Ade.
>
>
> >> I have conataced a friend (a Birmingham native) who is/was a grafiti
> >> artist and is now a commedian/artist to see if he might be interested in
> >> "teaching" grafiti if we can get an electronic version going - I like the
> >> idea of using a projector to put it on walls etc. I can loan a projector to
> >> the cause if needed.
>
> >> Ade.
>
>
> >>> Interesting... *ponders* using his bike + arduino and ghetto wiring as a
> >>> display piece....
>
> >>> Couldnt this sort of money make a laser harp into a reality for them?
>
> >>> My first thoughts anyway. /me is at work and thus should be doing so :P
>
> >>> Cypher
>
Andrew Thomas
I've just finished getting my wiiimote working with processing under linux. Works really well, and really easy once all the files are downloaded and extracted to the right place. If you want, I could try zipping them up so you can install using just one unzip (assuming you want to use it with Linux)?
If FP buy a wiimote and bt adapter and there's a linux computer spare I'd be happy to set it up for the inside out event (using Adrians projector or the one at Friction). A few pounds more would pay for making a couple of IR pens. They could be used for a game of Pong, or I could even make an interactive music playing screen for two or more people with processing (lots of jumping to get the right notes ;).
Let me know if you're interested.
genzaichi
Ultimately it's not my decision to make, but it does sound like you've
got something there. (I especially like the bit where you say you will
do it) ;)
Um, I think the way forward with it would probably be to:
* Write a few non-techy sentences that explain what visitors will see
* Get together a budget so we know how much we've got left to play
with
* List what other support you need (in terms of tech and people)
* Suggest dates and times to run it
We can then show (bits of) that to Friction to get a) permission and
b) the money and also figure out if we're looking for other projects
to run at the same time.
Same goes to anyone else who has ideas they'd like to take forward!
nikki
hellocatfood
particularly fast. How much are we looking at for the bt(?) adapter? A
friend told me you can get IR pens from Latif's in Digbeth for about
£3 (excluding VAT I think)
If we defo wanted to go ahead with the pong (maybe in addition ot
graffiti stuff) would we all be willing to split the cost of the
wiimote (£37 for two)?
Andrew Thomas
What's not particularly fast mean, relative to my 1.3ghz celeron laptop which is plenty fast enough for this? My guess is it would be ok.
A bt adaptor is a few pounds, if the laptop doesn't have one already built in. With your two wiimotes and a couple of £3 lightpens the budget is around £50 using your laptop and Adrians offer of a projector loan.
I thought there was talk of there being £200 available, so not sure why you mention splitting? If I'm wrong, I'm happy to put in a couple of pounds :)
Best wishes,
Andrew.
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Andrew Thomas
From your initial post it sounded like a group thing, so I'm happy to volunteer some techy time for a bit of pong/music/graffiti coding. Sounds like Ant is volunteering himself to get the wiimotes and set up his old laptop for them (Ant, I can email you some stuff to make that easier if you like)? Sounds too like Adrian is volunteering his projection skills?
If you want to progress it, it sounds to me like what's left is volunteers to:
1) Organise and coordinate it;
2) Make/buy ir pens, maybe prettying them up or turning them into spray cans and/or pong bats;
3) Set up everything for the event, and maybe be there to keep it all running smoothly;
4) Maybe some props/graphics to go with it on the day?
BTW, I won't be at the next FP.
Best wishes,
Andrew.
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Hi Andrew,
Ultimately it's not my decision to make, but it does sound like you've
got something there. (I especially like the bit where you say you will
do it) ;)
Um, I think the way forward with it would probably be to:
* Write a few non-techy sentences that explain what visitors will see
* Get together a budget so we know how much we've got left to play
with
* List what other support you need (in terms of tech and people)
* Suggest dates and times to run it
We can then show (bits of) that to Friction to get a) permission and
b) the money and also figure out if we're looking for other projects
to run at the same time.
Same goes to anyone else who has ideas they'd like to take forward!
nikki
On Aug 20, 5:01 pm, Andrew Thomas <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
genzaichi
> Hi Nikki,
>
> From your initial post it sounded like a group thing,
What does "organise and coordinate it" mean in terms of what actually
needs doing?
I've not looked to see how many hack sessions there are between now
and then, but there can't be that many. Do the logistics work?
My understanding is that there's a £200 budget (I don't know at what
point it would be released), so I'm confused about the splitting the
cost of the wiimotes thing too. Ant?
Also, Ant, are you talking about the laser pointer key rings from
Latif's?
If there's enough left in the pot, shall we try and make a laser harp
too?
GB, I think you did a lot of research into this before, any idea
roughly what this would cost?
nikki
Antonio Roberts
> cost of the wiimotes thing too. Ant?
> Also, Ant, are you talking about the laser pointer key rings from
> Latif's?
Yup. I'm building a laser trigger at the mo and this article suggests
that they're hackable
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/08/09/how-to-make-your-own-laser-tripwire/
Unless a laser pointer is different from a laser pen...
Ant
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Andrew Thomas
I was hoping you would know what it meant, as I don't have any knowledge of the people you've talked to. My guess is it just means putting the idea forward (if enough people want in) and making sure we all know when/where?
If necessary, I could knock up a couple of simple ir pens for less than a tenner, for pong. I'm thinking the wiimote could be the can for graffiti, as it then means there's no need for a complicated arduino circuit and wireless link.
Anyway, if there's enough interest I'll start on some code soon, once I've sorted out the servo stuff. BTW, do you think maybe it would be easier/cheaper to do the wiimote thing at friction, with the servo thing the same evening? Just wondering, as it might be easier and attract more people to fp.
Best wishes,
Andrew.
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genzaichi
lasers.
Andrew (and anyone else involved)
> I was hoping you would know what it meant, as I don't have any knowledge of the people you've talked to. My guess is it just means putting the idea forward (if enough people want in) and making sure we all know when/where?
Sandra was there this week) to get permission, for starters.
Have already said I can't project manage this - perhaps get a group
together who definitely want to be involved and then take it from
there?
> Anyway, if there's enough interest I'll start on some code soon, once I've sorted out the servo stuff. BTW, do you think maybe it would be easier/cheaper to do the wiimote thing at friction, with the servo thing the same evening? Just wondering, as it might be easier and attract more people to fp.
>
opposed to where?
What do you see happening when? Would it be like a workshop, or is it
the final thing that's included as part of the festival?
Will need to get that clarified so you can get the go-ahead from
Friction...
nikki
G Bulmer
I'll have to go digging back through stuff to get laser harp costs.
The published design used fairly expensive (£10-ish) distance-
measuring sensors, I think.
GB
Andrew Thomas
I think getting more people to see what fp is, and where it's located, was mentioned before. Hence my tentative question about whether to lure some people from the edge a while, but I'm not suggesting we do it.
As for the wii graffiti stuff, I don't think anyone is expecting you to organise it. If a critical mass develops then my offer of some coding stands :)
Best wishes,
Andrew.
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nikki
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hellocatfood
I originally thought it was part of Graffiti Research Lab but can't
see any links between the two...
Ant
Andrew Thomas
Even if not for insideout, wiimotes give a whole new dimension to processing. If you need any help installing or getting started just let me know (I might even do a web page on it soon).
Best wishes,
Andrew.
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Sent: 22 August 2010 22:18
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I'm in for doing it and came across this graffiti thingy http://graffitianalysis.com/
I originally thought it was part of Graffiti Research Lab but can't
see any links between the two...
Ant
On Aug 22, 2:34 pm, Andrew Thomas <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Nikki,
>
> I think getting more people to see what fp is, and where it's located, was mentioned before. Hence my tentative question about whether to lure some people from the edge a while, but I'm not suggesting we do it.
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hellocatfood
answer as to whether we're taking part on 24th September. If we were
I'm keen to use Graffiti Research Lab stuff as the project, mostly
'cause it's already there and works and would work great with large
audiences. Here's an in depth how-to http://graffitianalysis.com/how-to/
The things that we need most are the light and camera in order to make
this work. I'm not sure what they mean by the video capture card? Any
ideas?
In theory we've only got next week's hack session to get this built
but I'm prepared to put on as many hack sessions as we need in order
to get this done.
I definitely think we can do this!
Anyone else in?
Ant
On Aug 23, 12:45 pm, Andrew Thomas <andrewmarktho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Antonio,
>
> Even if not for insideout, wiimotes give a whole new dimension to processing. If you need any help installing or getting started just let me know (I might even do a web page on it soon).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew.
>
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>
Andrew Thomas
I don't have any plans to be at the festival, but if you want a hand at the
hack session I'm happy to devote the evening to helping out.
By capture card I think they mean a card to connect the camera to your
computer. There's a link on the page to a simpler version using a webcam,
which I suspect wouldn't need a capture card.
Best wishes,
Andrew.
Anyone else in?
Ant
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Antonio Roberts
Cheers Andrew :-) do you (or anyone else happen to have a camera we could use?
Also could you try compiling it? Ive got a different version of libavcodec and so it's not working
I'll invest in a torch for the pen thing
Ant
On Sep 8, 2010 3:32 PM, "Andrew Thomas" <andrewma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
I don't have any plans to be at the festival, but if you want a hand at the
hack session I'm happy to devote the evening to helping out.
By capture card I think they mean a card to connect the camera to your
computer. There's a link on the page to a simpler version using a webcam,
which I suspect wouldn't need a capture card.
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Andrew Thomas
Can you remind me of the url? Do I need to get a particular libavcodec to compile it?
Best wishes,
Andrew.
Ant
Hi,
Andrew Thomas
I found the link and had a look. Do you need to build it? There seems to be a ready made build for download.
Antonio Roberts
different one so it wouldn't compile.
It requires open frameworks too http://www.openframeworks.cc/download
If you get it to work please lemme know! That'll be at least one part
done :-) I'll give it all another try in the morning
Ant
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