[Birding-Aus] Hoopoe at Broome
Jeff Davies
30kms out of Broome right now.
Bird was found by Kim Oton, Maartin Hulzebosche and Chris Hassell a few
minutes ago.
Hoopoe was definitately not on my list of possible new records for the
Australian list, but what a fantastic bird to lob in, I saw one in Greece
last year and they are a seriously crazy and fantastic bird to look at.
Cheers Jeff.
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Gemfyre
Belinda
Stirling W.A.
Jeff Davies
Actually the correct answer is that ssp epops is strongly migratory between
Eurasia and Africa, the bird would have got here the same way the Eurasian
Roller did on Cocos Island and Baltic Gull in Broome, by accident down the
wrong side of the Indian Ocean.
Cheers Jeff.
Bill Stent
Philip Veerman
two of these in two very distant places. Quite an amazing funny looking
bird. My father lived in Israel and had these as garden birds. Hard to
imagine it flying here from Asia or east Africa or Madagascar. I wonder
whether Asian or middle eastern people keep them as pets (or even eat
them) but this is surely assisted as a boat arrival.
Do customs or coast guard ever find fauna among the possessions of the
boats that Tony wants to stop?
Philip
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Dave Torr
right Bill.
Simon Clayton
Hoopoes can be strong migrants and certainly overshoot their usual range in
Europe, every chance it's a vagrant, so go twitch it if you're inclined and
able.
Roebuck Roadhouse is a great destination too, if I was a Hoopoe, I'd drop
in. :-)
Smart bird, increasing observer coverage and popularity of birding means
more unusual visitors like this will be found. Who knows what else is out
there..
Cheers,
Simon Clayton
Manager
Birdrangers, Gibraltar Reserve
Cangai, NSW, 2460
Stephen Ambrose
Broome. My guess is that both are ship-assisted movements.
There's a lot of cargo ships oil/LNG tankers and iron ore vessels moving
between north-western Australia and China these days. Don't know if any of
these ships anchor at the Port of Broome, but they certainly do at Port
Hedland, which is about 450 km SW of Broome. Port Hedland ships would pass
close to Broome's coastline. Also, I think cruise ships anchor at Broome. I
think it would be easy for a Hoopoe to hitch a ride on one of these ships.
Nevertheless, an exciting discovery. I'm tipping that we will see even more
"first-timers" as shipping traffic associated with the current mineral and
oil boom increases.
Stephen Ambrose
Ryde NSW
David James
What a brilliant record. I'll be surprised if it hangs around, they aren't that territorial, but you never know.
Hoopoe is a long distant migrant that reaches the Malay Peninsula, Sumatra and Borneo as a vagrant (subspecies saturatus I believe). It also winters on islands like the Maldives and Adamans, so it is not averse to migrating across water. It is not kept in cages in Java, where many of the boats originate (though it might be in Sri Lanka). I don't think there have been many boats stopped near Broome lately, anyway. There is no evidence at this stage that it had to arrive by boat, and I would think naturally vagrancy is much more likely in this case. It is the migration season after all, and it seems no less likely than many of the other astounding rarities that have shown up in Broome in the last decade or two.
David James,
Sydney
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Tony Russel
Tony
John Harris
Yours in all things "green"
Regards
John Harris
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>>> "Tony Russel" <prati...@esc.net.au> 11/11/2011 12:05 AM >>>
Tony
Philip
Belinda
Stirling W.A.
> look at.
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> Cheers Jeff.
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Tony
Steve Potter
I chased one around a tree in Malawi once when I was young and
irresponsible. I eventually went the other way and actually got to grab it.
Still have the scar. That bill is as sharp as it looks!
Steve
Joy Tansey
In a moment of sanity I decided I couldn't resist the call of the number 1
bird on my bucket list of birds I must see before I go ..... and the chance
to see it in Australia. So in a mad 23 hours from front door to front door I
made a day trip from Melbourne to Broome. I spent more time flying than on
the ground in Broome, but by 10.45am Sunday morning I was in place and
restlessly pacing up and down at Roebuck roadhouse. By lunchtime I had the
hoopoe and spent a pleasant hour watching, filming and phoning people to
brag. By 1pm I was on my way to check a few waders and with advice from
Chris Hassell ringing in my ears was able to get equally crippling views and
photos (to my standard) of the Semi-palmated Plover. Then it was back to the
airport and head home, with an awesome day to remember.
Cheers,
Joy Tansey
60 Myers Parade
Altona Meadows Vic 3028
ph: 03 9315 6595
Greg Little
Congratulations on seeing the birds. It is good to hear people enjoying a
little harmless madness.
Greg Little
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HI All,
Cheers,
Joy Tansey
60 Myers Parade
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John Harris
your plane flights, otherwise it is not "harmless" as Greg puts it!
Yours in all things "green"
Regards
John Harris
Manager, Environment and Sustainability
Donvale Christian College
155 Tindals Rd Donvale 3111
03 9844 2471 Ext 277
03 9844 1102 Fax
0409 090 955
john....@donvale.vic.edu.au
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>>> "Greg Little" <gr...@gff.com.au> 14/11/2011 10:17 AM >>>
It is good to hear people enjoying a
little harmless madness.
Greg Little
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Philip Veerman
the bird is one worth seeing. It is a nice story. I also think the
carbon offset is tokenism but it is at least something. What raised my
curiosity though is the mention "and the chance to see it in Australia".
Yes that decision possibly emits less carbon etc and possibly costs
rather less than to see one where it normally lives. (As I wrote before
I saw two of them in China and if you pick your time, airfares to China
are likely a lot less expensive than quick purchased Melbourne to
Broome, but of course there are many other greater risks and
considerations.) I wrote long ago that I would rather see a Secretary
bird on the plains of Africa than in Canberra. I may be misunderstanding
but think the implied suggestion somewhat curious that it is nicer to
see a bird where it ought not to be, than in its usual habitat and
range.
I wonder does it work the other way? If someone found a colony of
Gouldian Finches near Port Moresby PNG, would Australian birders rather
go there to see them than try their luck in northern Australia.
Philip
Kambah ACT
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Mark Young
I'm not sure I buy into your comment. I can't work out if your intent was
to be educational or to induce a sense of guilt to produce the effect of
trying to coerce people into not going to see the bird.
Personally I doubt the amount of pollution/increase in carbon footprint
that was produced from the arrival of this one bird would be significant.
Or to look at it the other way, whether the abstaining of using resources
that were going to be in use anyway would be measurably beneficial in the
whole scheme of things.
Regards,
Mark
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Denise Goodfellow
that's a very thoughtful answer. I know that not all who go racing off
after some vagrant or another are not necessarily pathological collectors.
However, there are some I really do wonder about. One of the questions I
ask in my PhD questionnaire on American birders is whether they've ever felt
themselves in danger while birding. Quite a number have - they've mostly
been held up at gunpoint, robbed or kidnapped in Central or South America.
I've found myself in danger quite a few times without putting myself there
on purpose.
I'd like to know how many members of Birding Aus would drop everything to
see a new bird, all else being equal.
John's point about carbon emissions is also valid as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, planes will continue to fly to Broome whether birders are on them or
not. But shouldn't we all be setting examples of restraint and good
behaviour to others? That's why Michael and I don't have a cat, and why our
electricity usage at home is 1/3 the Australian average.
We may have little impact even in our own neighbourhood, but that doesn't
mean we should stop trying.
Denise
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environment considering we are bird watchers, mammalogists,
herpetologists, botanists etc etc.....
My other point was that it was a little sarcastic, tongue in cheek for
all those who dash off to see the Hoopoe, to ponder on their flights
:-)
As Denise sums up "We may have little impact even in our own
neighbourhood, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying"
Yours in all things "green"
Regards
John Harris
Manager, Environment and Sustainability
Donvale Christian College
155 Tindals Rd Donvale 3111
03 9844 2471 Ext 277
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President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria (FNCV)
Past President, Victorian Association for Environmental Education
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>>> Mark Young <youngsfa...@gmail.com> 14/11/2011 2:57 PM >>>
G'day John, everyone
Regards,
Mark
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Denise Goodfellow
should have worded my reply more carefully.
I really liked your story as well you expressed your happiness in your
expedition beautifully. I well remember crazy things I¹ve done on the spur
of the moment. (although they differ a bit from yours). Like accepting a
job shooting buffalo, or dancing Zorba the Greek with a principal member of
the Kirov Ballet (after too many brown vodkas, I might add); spending hours
standing up to my knees in mangrove mud (once at midnight) waiting for
Chestnut Rail.
I often guide birders who like you, have that joy of discovery, and I share
it with them.
A major reason many of those I guide, and American respondents to my
questionnaire, watch birds is to ³feel a special connection with the
environment.² And I do my best to help them make that connection,
sometimes aided by my Aboriginal relatives. Quite recently a relative ,
Una, and I took American writer, Jonathon Franzen, to Spirit Dog Dreaming in
western Arnhem Land. He saw two birds, one a Whistling Kite (and you¹d know
how common they are) and a Sandstone Shrike-thrush. It wasn¹t so much the
birds that made an impression on Jon, but that they appeared to be duetting,
their songs echoing around the escarpment walls. And in that place you
might not know but the spirit dog is a thylacine. And then there were the
red ochre rings around all the trees standing in the white sand a senior
traditional owner had died. It seemed to be the ultimate sendoff !
However, Jon nearly spoiled the moment when he went to squat by the water¹s
edge. Later thinking about it I thought from the look on his face that he
was going to meditate. One does not do such a thing so near a pool occupied
by a large, hungry crocodile. Una and I screamed a warning and dragged him
away Despite that rather dramatic ending I doubt that Jon will forget
those few hours.
if your day was as awesome then good on you.
Denise
on 14/11/11 2:08 PM, Alistair McKeough at alistair...@gmail.com wrote:
> What a ridiculous (and sanctimonious) comment. Does anyone seriously think
> that the planes won't be flying because one person doesn't buy a ticket?
>
> Even if they wouldn't have, what right does that give people to take a lovely
> anecdote that somebody chooses to share about their own life
> and politicise it? I wish all the self-appointed "carbon
> conscious" proselytism people would just live the way they want and otherwise
> remain silent.
>
> Thank you for sharing a lovely story Joy - it sounds like a wonderful trip & a
> couple of brilliant birds!
>
> Alistair
>
>
>
> On 14 November 2011 15:20, Denise Goodfellow <goodf...@bigpond.com.au>
> wrote:
>> Phillip
>> that's a very thoughtful answer. I know that not all who go racing off
>> after some vagrant or another are not necessarily pathological collectors.
>> However, there are some I really do wonder about. One of the questions I
>> ask in my PhD questionnaire on American birders is whether they've ever felt
>> themselves in danger while birding. Quite a number have - they've mostly
>> been held up at gunpoint, robbed or kidnapped in Central or South America.
>>
>> I've found myself in danger quite a few times without putting myself there
>> on purpose.
>>
>> I'd like to know how many members of Birding Aus would drop everything to
>> see a new bird, all else being equal.
>>
>> John's point about carbon emissions is also valid as far as I'm concerned.
>> Yes, planes will continue to fly to Broome whether birders are on them or
>> not. But shouldn't we all be setting examples of restraint and good
>> behaviour to others? That's why Michael and I don't have a cat, and why our
>> electricity usage at home is 1/3 the Australian average.
>>
>> We may have little impact even in our own neighbourhood, but that doesn't
>> mean we should stop trying.
>>
>> Denise
>> --
>> Denise Lawungkurr Goodfellow B.A. Grad.Dip.Arts
>> 1/7 Songlark Street, Bakewell NT 0832, AUSTRALIA
>> Ph. 61 08 89 328306
>> Mobile: 04 386 50 835
>>
>> Birdwatching and Indigenous tourism consultant
>> PhD Candidate (Southern Cross University, NSW)
>> Interpreter/transcriber, Lonely Planet Guide to Aboriginal Australia
>> Vice-chair, Wildlife Tourism Australia
>>
>> http://www.denisegoodfellow.com.au
>> http://www.earthfoot.org
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baby-dreaming
>> www.fatbirder.com/ <http://www.fatbirder.com/>
>> For copies of Birds of Australia¹s Top End or Quiet Snake Dreaming, visit
>> amazon.com <http://amazon.com>
David James
David James,
Sydney
burung...@yahoo.com
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Sorry Joy, I wasn¹t having a shot at you, rather answering Philip, and
Reg
the same too? I would take issue with what you said about sustainability
but lets keep it about birds.
Reg Lawler
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david taylor
Oh please - give us all a break!!!!
A person posts a wonderfully light hearted account of her decision to jump a plane and go see a rare bird!
Then we get all the goofy greeny stuff coming out of the woodwork!
As someone said - lets stick to birds on this forum and not whether or not we should repent of our sins if we board a bloody plane!
If people want to walk to Broome to save carbon thats their choice but lets keep birding-aus for the birds!
Good onya Joy!
David Taylor
Brisbane
Alistair McKeough
for traveling to see a bird.
On Monday, 14 November 2011, david taylor <davids...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
Ian May
Rather than paying carbon offset penalties for bird watching in
Australia I think there is a better way to manage this. To encourage
the complete enjoyment of our natural environment "the Government should
" be offering generous carbon subsidies, concessions and income tax
deductions to provide incentives for people to take up passive nature
based interests. Funded from the carbon tax, supplemented by the
mining tax, and guaranteed by the goods and services tax, this great
initiative would help defray the seriously escalating costs of birding
in Australia and also generate much more appreciation of birds generally.
Birding has just become too expensive when you consider the spiraling
costs of travel to attend pelagics, camp in National Parks, new cameras,
binoculars, computers, smart phones, field guides, playback speakers,
club subscriptions, access permits, alcohol and cigarettes etc. etc. not
to mention the outrageous running costs of say a new V8 4WD Landcruiser
to explore this great country of ours.
When you consider that fuel in some remoter areas is about $3 per litre
even before the carbon tax is applied and to replace just one lousy tyre
staked during a short off road jaunt to twitch a new bird can cost more
than $300, it is little wonder that we bird watchers need Government $$$
help, not carbon penalties to help us thoroughly enjoy the natural
environment and have some fun..
Ian May
St Helens, Tasmania
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Tony
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John Harris
My original comments, as I said in my last email were as much
tongue-in-cheek as serious!!!
But as usual everyone has an opinion...............
The predicted "Climate Change" will see birds becoming extinct or
harder to observer, so why should we screw it now to the detriment of
future bird watchers?
Even a little bit of thought or consideration is a positive!!
So yes, this topic is still about birds............................
Yours in all things "green"
Regards
John Harris
Manager, Environment and Sustainability
Donvale Christian College
155 Tindals Rd Donvale 3111
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03 9844 1102 Fax
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john....@donvale.vic.edu.au
President, Field Naturalists Club of Victoria (FNCV)
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