Speak out against Muslim intolerance and violence
Manoj Padhi
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
5:34 Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
I was not surprised at all. It happened before and will happen again..
Why Muslims jump in road and destroy public property, threaten public
[ http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogsV2.aspx?HTAdvtId=6244&HTAdvtPlaceCode=IND ]I have been doing a lot of reading on cause of this violence and I would like to recommend
Islamic Jihad by Mr. M.A. Khan
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Islamic-Jihad/M-A-Khan/e/9781440118463to understand the cause of this global issue of intolerance.
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In brief from my understanding..
If we will compare Islam, Hinduism and Christianity :
Old testament had contained few violent verses : such as - stoning disobedient sons.
Jesus came and he brought the peaceful non-violence messages of 'New testament' , 'which was timely and withstood the demand of tolerance in the 21st century . Given equal rights to men and women. As a prophet, Jesus himself was peaceful man.
'Srimad Bhagbad Gita' - was told by Lord Sri Krishna with in the same context of war (like Quaran) and the Lord justified the 'war against Evil', after he himself had failed to get 5 villages for Pandavas from Duryadhana. He maintained his cool, even when Duryodhana tried to put him in jail. He had forgiven Shishusupal , the Krishna Basher 100 times before chopping his head.
The Lord always sided with the good.
On the contrary, if you will read the life of prophet Mohammad, he received heavenly messages from Angel Gabriel and demanded (not requested) that the '360 idols' of Kaaba to be removed as Islam is the only true religion. Mecca was then used to be a prime trade route and the Quresh tribe was in control of the Kaaba since (around) 450 AD. After prophet Mohammad got heavenly messages, he mocked the existing religions and asked the Quresh /Mecca tribes to embrace Islam.
If today any one of us goes to Jama Masjid with such heavenly revelation claims of a new religion Islam-II, the new testament, what will happen to us ? Our head or hands may be chopped off with in no time.
In spite of the Prophet Mohammad's open challenge to Kaaba's 360 idols, the Quresh didn't harm him physically. They did what our Hindutva Brigade is doing to Painter M.F. Hussain. (Please read the book Islamic Jihad for more in details).
You may note the cycle w.r.to Hussain:
First Prophet Mohammad publicly challenged and mocked an existing religion [ M.F. Hussian's infamous nude Painting ]
Queresh tribe snubbed him, which was fair enough [ Hindutva anger - fair enough - no physical harm in both cases ]
Prophet Mohammad was given visiting Kaaba in spite of hostility [ Indian Government allowed M.F.Hussian in India in spite of his nude mother India painting]
Prophet Mohammad attacks Kaaba and destroys the 360 idols and declares that " Truth is arrived and falsehood is perished". i.e. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism all these are false and Islam is only peaceful. [ Compare this with of M.F.Hussain gains strength and attacks at the RSS Headquarters at Nagpur,wins and installs all his nude painting over there ]
Was not it unfair for prophet Mohammad to propagate his religion in such a rude way. In those 360 idols, idols of Jesus and Mary were also there.
I would urge all the Muslims to visit the Sun Temple at Konark (Orissa) and see how the hands of Idols had been chopped off by Islamic invaders.
It amazed me to note that the war against the Quresh was not between good and evil. The objective of this war was to take control of Kaaba and destroy the idols, which was an important step for rise of Islam.
The prophet himself had set a precedence to enforce Islamic beliefs at gun point, which the Islamic invaders followed suit.
The ancestors of all Indian Muslims were Hindus, who were most likely forcefully converted or offered jobs in Military of Islamic kings.
Today, secularism exists only in places where non-Muslims are in power or majority. India, Europe and America. recall the Islamic protest for Amarnath yatra.
Note the percentage of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh - 1947 vs 2010..
I was just showing the mirror to Muslims and was educating the pseudo-seculars, who are under the impression that - "all religion teach us peace" . I didn't mean to offense any community in particular and would be glad to answer any questions from my researched knowledge of Islam.
-Manoj Padhi
This morning's Deccan Herald front paged the dastardly and barbaric act of chopping off a professor's hand. Read the following report and come to your conclusion and react boldly.
Speak: your lips are free
Speak: your tongue is still yours
Speak: this lissome body is yours
Speak: this life is yours
Speak: so that the truth can prevail ….
(Bol ke lab azaad hain tere Bol Zabaan ab tak teri hain Bol yeh sutwan jism hai tera Bol ke jaan ab tak teri hai Bol ke sach zinda hai ab tak …. )
P.N.BENJAMIN
Barbaric act
Kerala professor's hand chopped off for offending faith
Thiruvananthapuram, July 4, DHNS:
A college professor who framed a question allegedly defaming the Prophet had his right wrist chopped off by a group of unidentified persons at Muvattupuzha in Ernakulam district on Sunday morning.
Police said Prof T J Joseph was returning with his family after attending church when a group of people in a Maruti Omni waylaid him near his home at Muvattupuzha. Joseph was pulled out of his car and attacked with knives and swords. His right hand at the wrist was chopped off and thrown a few metres away. The professor was rushed to a Muvattupuzha hospital and later to a multispeciality hospital in Kochi where doctors are trying to stitch together his severed wrist. He has also suffered cuts and wounds in other parts of his body.
Joseph, a Malayalam professor at Newman’s College, Thodupuzha, is on bail after being arrested in April for preparing a question paper with alleged inflammatory references to Prophet Mohammed for an examination in a private college. He was suspended from service following protests from Muslim organisations. Joseph later apologised publicly for his "unintentional mistake". Joseph’s mother said her son had been receiving threats for quite sometime.
Police have seized the van used by the miscreants and rounded off two people who were in it. However, sources said the miscreants had already escaped when the cops got to the vehicle. Those who have been picked up are activists of the Popular Front of India, formerly known as a right wing Muslim organisation called the National Development Front in Kerala.
The incident has been condemned by many organisations including the Indian Union Muslim League and the Jama’at-e-Islami which called for tough action against the culprits. State Home Minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan said all leads on the issue including terror angle were being investigated while Education Minister M A Baby regretted that some people had communalised the question paper issue.
Deccan Herald July 5, 2010
Syed
Can you please stop talking about any religion on this forum; there are plenty other issues that can be more viable.
People are already suffering every where of these hate crime, why you are trying to add flame into the fire.
I DO NOT WANT any justification/ clarification/suggestion from you other than putting forth my humble request.
Thanks
Ashraf
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Tanweer Hasnain
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Manoj Padhi
Abhyuthanam Adharmaysya, Tadatmanam Srijami Aham'.
"Whenever there is decay, of righteousness O! Bharatha
And a rise of unrighteousness, then I manifest Myself!"
Punch from Moderates:
1) Construction of a Mosque close to 9/11 site
2) Demand of two Islamic Holiday in New york - 48 hours of less time
Punch from Extremists:
3) Ishrat was an LeT suicide bomber: Headley
Whenever the entire Infidel community is being punched left and right by moderates and radicals of 'one god but ...' , how can and how long the protector of Dharma meditate peacefully ?
Syed
Helpless creature looking for some quick bucks,he is dumb and idiot!!!
Ratan L Ratnesh
Subject: Re: BTN: Speak out against Muslim intolerance and violence
Jitendra Singh
Sent from my iPhone
Ravi Jha
Ravi Jha
nafis rahman
Asalaamwalekum:-May Allah' piece be with you
I want to the link as suggested by you and got the following reader comments i am putting in qoutes
"
This book is equating Islam with Terror, and Jihad with War and a Muslim with Violence.
Indeed this is utterly WRONG.
For instance, JIHAD of a Muslim is to exert efforts, struggle and strive for the better.
{{The term 'Holy War' was actually introduced by the Crusaders for the control of the `Holy Land' (Jerusalem in particular), for political and reasons of expansionism}}
The term: `Greater JIHAD', while to nowadays' Western ears is equated with `slaughter'; in the Muslim parlance it actually means the struggle against one's soul. (Evil vs. Good.)
Muslim scholars explain (and teach) the meanings of JIHAD in reference to the following distinguished syllables.
Jihad to improve one's learning of science and philosophy to acquire additional knowledge to reason and rationalize one's daily actions and approaches.
Jihad in one's heart and Jihad of one's soul in order to quench the evil in one's mind through adherence to monotheism, (that there is but one God).
Jihad of the tongue, supportive of equanimity and struggle against the use of mean vocabulary, gutter writing, not even to induce someone to convert into one's faith by force or by the allure of money. Nor would one propagate military and political dogmas.
Jihad by means of the hand, meaning to use one's wealth for the good of the needy and the poor and to take care of the elderly parents.
Jihad through peaceful coexistence everywhere in the world.
Jihad by the sword refers to fighting for God's sake.
Islam condemns war.
Islam means `peace', Allah's peace with us and the peace of each one with one another.
Islam indoctrinates moderation and freedom from excesses.
A true Muslim is one who believes that once divinity of doctrine has been questioned there is no return to perfect faith.
The Prophet, even during his toughest encounters with the infidels never cracked under the uncertainties and emotions, or tormented by indecisiveness whenever a decision was required.
Perhaps the author should have also mentioned that Fatima, the only surviving child of Muhammad, was the wife of his first convert to Islam, Ali, the Prophet's cousin.
It is to be noted that the influence of Aisha, the young and favorite wife of Muhammad, a bitter enemy of Fatima and Ali, secured the election of her father, Abu Bakr as the Caliph of the Muslemeen. To Abu Bakr succeeded Omar bin-Abi Talib and to him Osman bin-Affan.
Asma bint-Marwan and Mary the Copt, were women adulterated by levity to cunning and cleverness. They used their ingratiating smiles and were given almost feline manners that captivated those who knew them. Asma (the Poetess) set herself to please heads of tribes while she inspired the Prophet's distrust at first sight. Each woman, when comes to discussing serious matters, leapt herself in favor by being at once obsequious and entertaining by funny stories and acts of buffoonery. Their misbehavior was indeed their faculty for making enemies with the Prophet who detested their language and sharp tongues.
I am Christian. I have Moslem friends, neighbors and relatives. They deserve all my respects and admiration. They are true Muslims, not Islamists as per the descriptions shown in this book.
Islam recognizes Christianity.
There is one full Sura in the Quran about Mary (the Mother of Christ) entitled Surat Merriam.
Saint..."
.I thanks all like minded people of all faiths who have come out against hatred and are spreading love and peace.
Best regards
Nafis
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:53:03 +0530 wrote
>You are stupid. Yes we should ban any one who talks insane. I do apologies to my Muslim friends on behalf of this group
On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Jitendra Singh wrote:
Can moderators ban this guy from sending any email to group ?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Ratan L Ratnesh wrote:
Manoj:
Iam ashamed that people like you belong to my religion, Hinduism. I think you intend to say thatHinduism is a peaceful religion and if that is true the what you are trying to do here is spreading hatred, not peace.
What do you get by sending crap like this? Are you a freaking sociopath? You tell me a religion and I will give you arugments from its holy book(s) for peace or hatred. For example: Our religion Hinduism also has caste system which spread hatred, Bible allowed owning of slaves etc.
If your intend was just to offend muslims, you have over achieved your objective as it has offended even me, a Hindu.
I'll ignore any email on this subject as I don't have time to read crap....
Ratan Ratnesh
Nazareth, PA, USA
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Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 7:56:24 PM
Subject: Re: BTN: Speak out against Muslim intolerance and violence
Mr. Manoj,
Can you please stop talking about any religion on this forum; there are plenty other issues that can be more viable.
People are already suffering every where of these hate crime, why you are trying to add flame into the fire.
I DO NOT WANT any justification/ clarification/suggestion from you other than putting forth my humble request.
Thanks
Ashraf
This is Quaran in Action.
5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
5:34 Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
I was not surprised at all. It happened before and will happen again..
Why Muslims jump in road and destroy public property, threaten public[ http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogsV2.aspx?HTAdvtId=6244&HTAdvtPlaceCode=IND ]
I have been doing a lot of reading on cause of this violence and I would like to recommend
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Neeraj Sinha
Everyone,
Just ignore this idiot. If you reply then he is successful in his mission. Do not give him any attention to this retard. Consider his emails as spam and create a rule to delete all of his emails permanently. All of my Muslim friends – you do not need to justify or contradict this moron to prove him wrong. We know his motive very well.
Manoj – I have only two lines for you:
“Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit
Bhayo Na Koye
Dhai Aakhar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye”
Neeraj Sinha
Tanweer Hasnain
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:35:39 -0700
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Hi Tanweer,
No I have never met Manoj and have absolutely no desire to meet himJ. By the way I liked Jitendra and Ratan’s responses regarding this.
Neeraj Sinha
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Mobile: 602.708.2084
rajeev singh
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Tanweer Hasnain
Rajeev is same the person . He is actually Manoj with different id . Manoj has few more names. So dont be confuse.
Thanks
Tanweer
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Sahkir Ahmed
Shakir
Dear Manoj,
Asalaamwalekum:-May Allah' piece be with you
I want to the link as suggested by you and got the following reader comments i am putting in qoutes
"
This book is equating Islam with Terror, and Jihad with War and a Muslim with Violence.
Indeed this is utterly WRONG.
For instance, JIHAD of a Muslim is to exert efforts, struggle and strive for the better.
{{The term 'Holy War' was actually introduced by the Crusaders for the control of the `Holy Land' (Jerusalem in particular), for political and reasons of expansionism}}
The term: `Greater JIHAD', while to nowadays' Western ears is equated with `slaughter'; in the Muslim parlance it actually means the struggle against one's soul. (Evil vs. Good.)
Muslim scholars explain (and teach) the meanings of JIHAD in reference to the following distinguished syllables.
Jihad to improve one's learning of science and philosophy to acquire additional knowledge to reason and rationalize one's daily actions and approaches.
Jihad in one's heart and Jihad of one's soul in order to quench the evil in one's mind through adherence to monotheism, (that there is but one God).
Jihad of the tongue, supportive of equanimity and struggle against the use of mean vocabulary, gutter writing, not even to induce someone to convert into one's faith by force or by the allure of money. Nor would one propagate military and political dogmas.
Jihad by means of the hand, meaning to use one's wealth for the good of the needy and the poor and to take care of the elderly parents.
Jihad through peaceful coexistence everywhere in the world.
Jihad by the sword refers to fighting for God's sake.
Islam condemns war.
Islam means `peace', Allah's peace with us and the peace of each one with one another.
Islam indoctrinates moderation and freedom from excesses.
A true Muslim is one who believes that once divinity of doctrine has been questioned there is no return to perfect faith.
Perhaps the author should have also mentioned that Fatima, the only surviving child of Muhammad, was the wife of his first convert to Islam, Ali, the Prophet's cousin.
It is to be noted that the influence of Aisha, the young and favorite wife of Muhammad, a bitter enemy of Fatima and Ali, secured the election of her father, Abu Bakr as the Caliph of the Muslemeen. To Abu Bakr succeeded Omar bin-Abi Talib and to him Osman bin-Affan.
Asma bint-Marwan and Mary the Copt, were women adulterated by levity to cunning and cleverness. They used their ingratiating smiles and were given almost feline manners that captivated those who knew them. Asma (the Poetess) set herself to please heads of tribes while she inspired the Prophet's distrust at first sight. Each woman, when comes to discussing serious matters, leapt herself in favor by being at once obsequious and entertaining by funny stories and acts of buffoonery. Their misbehavior was indeed their faculty for making enemies with the Prophet who detested their language and sharp tongues.
I am Christian. I have Moslem friends, neighbors and relatives. They deserve all my respects and admiration. They are true Muslims, not Islamists as per the descriptions shown in this book.
Islam recognizes Christianity.
There is one full Sura in the Quran about Mary (the Mother of Christ) entitled Surat Merriam.
Saint..."
.I thanks all like minded people of all faiths who have come out against hatred and are spreading love and peace.
Best regards
Nafis
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 21:53:03 +0530 wrote
>You are stupid. Yes we should ban any one who talks insane. I do apologies to my Muslim friends on behalf of this group
Ravi JhaSent from my iPhone
On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:44 AM, Jitendra Singh wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Ratan L Ratnesh wrote:
Manoj:
Iam ashamed that people like you belong to my religion, Hinduism. I think you intend to say thatHinduism is a peaceful religion and if that is true the what you are trying to do here is spreading hatred, not peace.
What do you get by sending crap like this? Are you a freaking sociopath? You tell me a religion and I will give you arugments from its holy book(s) for peace or hatred. For example: Our religion Hinduism also has caste system which spread hatred, Bible allowed owning of slaves etc.
If your intend was just to offend muslims, you have over achieved your objective as it has offended even me, a Hindu.
Syed
God bless you for being a man with great intellect and wisdom. I wish Manoj could learn even a bit from you. He should be blocked from posting such messages with nefarious intent.
Regards
Ashraf
San Diego, CA
Sahkir Ahmed
Syed,
I think you are not muslim, you need to know lot about Islam.
Waste no time debating what a good Muslim should be. Be one!
Guiding a Non-Muslim to Islam only possible by the Grace of God. Our job is to help others understand Islam - that is our basic duty. And only then inshallah, will non-muslims move in the direction of becoming one of us. We must remain positive, open-minded and generous in our efforts to convey the true message.
You cannot encourage a non-muslim to be understanding and open-minded if you yourself are hot-tempered and hurling accusations at him/her. No non-muslim is going to respect you and it will certainly reflect badly on Islam if a Muslim, a representative of Islam, is narrow-minded.
I pray to Allah that we develop patience and sincerity in our efforts to bring about more tolerance in this world. Remember....every human being, regardless of whether he/she is born to Muslim or Non-Muslim parents, is born innocent and pure...it is society that influences him/her to stray from Islam and just as a person can stray, he/she can revert back and YOU can help this process.
We have a very important and sensitive role to play. We are the trusted Ummah of the Rasool, a servant of God...it has been made our duty and our obligation to pass on the pure, unadulterated truth - make honest and full use of this honourable task.
Sanjib Kumar Karmee
Dear All,
There is a problem with all of us. Irrespective of the religion we should try to rectify our mistakes in us. If some points out our mistake he/she is not a criminal/enemy. He/she can be among our well wishes. We should blame ourselves for the wrong things happenings in our community.
We should take Manoj babu’s statements in the right spirit. Please do not abuse him. Rather I would like to see a logical debate between all of you.
Best regards,
Sanjib
rajeev singh
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Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 5:22:20 PM
Sahkir Ahmed
India is great country and lets accept the fact it would not remain great if we people who lives in here hate it and support Pakistan. Lets not be part of plan. I love India.
Shakir
Sanjib Kumar Karmee
Dear All,
The incident reported in Rediff.com is very sad indeed. Member of all community must condemn this incident. I wonder why vocal people (like Javed ji, Shabana ji, Sharukh Khan, Amir Khan etc) who are participating in various debates in the public forum not initiating steps to stop this.
Cheers,
Sanjib
Sahkir Ahmed
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-women-use-fatwa-in-driving-bid-1.643431
Shakir
Yakut Rumani sultan
Dear All,
We all are going through number of stupid topics since long time on this group which do not represent any harmony, integrity, and sense except representation of bad thoughts and intention by a stupid group of members. I already posted so many mails against those pieces of shit but no one argued with the light of facts and related areas but only playing and diverting our mind by posting such a bull shit things on this platform.
@Rajeev: This news is piece of shit... who going to follow those courts?...just let me know do you have believe on MCC’s court in Bihar???Why media and you guys not giving any religious name to them? But it doesn’t mean we all having same believe. In this way we can say, that is based on individual thoughts and understanding to accept it or reject it but does not represent hatred and venom on the basis of religion
@Manoj: Let me correct you: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah (God/Bhagwan) and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, (Surat Al-Mā'idah (The Table Spread)5:33. I think it’s better for you to keep away from this area because copying the material from internet will not show your intellect and could not be reliable...even many Muslim scholar cannot interpret the right meaning of those holy Qur’an..How you could?
@Shakir: First you should know how to spell your name “Sahkir Ahmed”...if your half of the family is supporting Pakistan..They all are sick and again that is individual understanding and thoughts which does not represent whole community but at the same time if someone appreciate any player no matter who they are..., there should not be any problem. “I have fed up living dual life” it shows that you don’t have confidence in “yourself and to fight with right and wrong”. I always support Pakistan when they play with other country but not with India. What is wrong with this? But tell me why people hate Pakistan team when they play with other country not with India??Do you have answer? Think hard mate then you will get it...because they belongs to people like manoj..rajeev etc. They point out you but do not realize other four fingers pointing them. Regarding a news posted by you.....those things are going concern activities of the community and for the particular country..Depends, are people going to accept or not? But it doesn’t mean we all having same believe. In this way we can say, that is based on individual thoughts and understanding to accept it or reject it but does not represent Islam. For your knowledge on the status of women in Islam, No discrimination is made on the basis of sex. Islam Recognises that the sphere of potential capabilities and hence responsibilities of men and women are equally important in themselves but not the exactly the same. The role of Men and Women are complementary to each other. And this is what exactly exists in our society and culture as well, no matter who we are on the basis of religion.
I appreciate the other members on this group, who have really a good understanding about the good & bad things and are real intellect. We should ignore those bull shit from our regular life then we can focus on our development and for the state as well.
Regards,
Yakut
Manoj Padhi
Please go through these..
just because you don't want doesn't mean any thing.. It started first unofficially in Britain and now there are 80+ Sharia courts.
Indian liberals won't be different..
-Manoj
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196165/Britain-85-sharia-courts-The-astonishing-spread-Islamic-justice-closed-doors.html
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Yakut Rumani sultan
Yakut Rumani sultan
Rajeev,
I was expecting same reply because you guys never discuss the things thread to thread....same things you doing this time..Anyway it depends upon understanding how much and how you dealing with my point...follow my in-line comments:
"Start with - But tell me why people hate Pakistan team when they play with other country not with India?"All you said in this paragraph...is your logical thought to convince me but the only reason is they belongs to Muslim community....because i know you guys or guys like you and your mentality. Think beyond the religion but you guys can never think.
When many Muslim scholar cannot interpret the right meaning of those holy Qur’an, who am I to interpret it. You are absolutely right. But what would be your duty? If something written in holy-book and people are interpreting it incorrectly (you just admit it), we shouldn't tell them it's wrong.@Rajiv: I said to Manoj who is he to look that matter and convince us to believe that..its better to stay away...you again trying to protect him and changed my statement..Which you guys always do. The material from where he took those reference was wrongly interpreted, from a baby feeder site and managed by piece of shit like you guys..i know about that site as well....and you said "we shouldn't tell them it's wrong"..i tell you that you or your next seven generation would not have much understanding to say that.
MCC is an organization for lower caste and Ranvir sena (just giving you one example) is an organization for upper caste. This is one side story now you telling me. You believe and consider caste based or some other things... why should I believe???But we believe....The same things if we are saying about some freak or organisation who belongs to us by mistake or by name only..You don't believe..You guys just tagged those things with Islam. Here is the problem..You guys are the key of those problems yourself. One last but not the least suggestion “Just try to behave like a good human being beyond the religion and you will see the whole world with you”.
Yakut
Manoj Padhi
I am not insane.
Here is why ?
I noticed that Muslims love Shariah - which has got both Civil and Criminal procedure code.
Muslim personal law in India is nothing but the - Shariah Civil Law.
US and UK don't endorse even Shariah Civil law. But, Muslim activist groups, after migration form a pressure group and push their agenda whenever a liberal government is in power.
Source: Click here
Under the English Arbitration Act of 1996, Muslims pushed for the adoption of Sharia courts as legally-binding arbitration
tribunals. Five Sharia tribunals now actively operate in London, Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester, and
Nuneaton. Two courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.15 These Sharia courts have come to
deal with numerous cases involving Muslim divorce, inheritance, domestic violence and small criminal
cases. Both arbitrating parties must consent on an arbitrator and the enforceability of the decision. If
mutual consent is given, the tribunal’s final ruling is both legally binding and enforceable.
I also noted that Muslims in western/US/UK democracy don't want the criminal version of Shariah, which violates all human rights. But, I never seen, they criticize the Saudi or Iran version of Shariah enforcement either.
Even the civil version of Shariah is seen as unfair towards women. Hence France parliament is debating banning Burqa/naqib and heavy penalty for Husbands/Father-in-Laws.
In USA:
Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma
Almost all Muslims vote Democratic Party and influence over all liberal Senators and House members. recently the Imam of the proposed 9/11 site Mosque told that - US Legal System is Shariah compliant and fearing UK kind of Shariah courts, state of Okhahoma is banning it through a referendum.Conclusion and comparison with Kerala incident:
All Muslims like Shariah as that is compiled by religious scholars after the death of Prophet Mohammad. So even if they migrate to West/USA, they suffocate without Shariah and hence try to push their agenda of Shariah under "religious accommodation".
In India, a civil version of Shariah is already functional and hence the next step is such private Shariah Criminal courts by extreme right wing Muslims. You may not endorse it but, right wing Muslims love both Shariah Civil and Criminal. This incident proved that.
Thanks
Manoj
Manoj Padhi
You send me the link of the most authentic translation of Quaran. I will send the excerpts to all the member of BiharToday.
I will not send any opinion and let us see - How they interpret the sections referred by me.
Who am I to tell you to correct Quaran ?
Because:
1) I am a frequent air traveller and last time they took away my Shaving foam and Axe Deodorant because they were > 4oz. Now a days checking bag fee is $25. So, I had to buy then again.
2) Muslim Civil right groups protested to body scanners and took a waiver in lieu of a pat down. How a pat down can find a underwear bomb ? So, when I see a Muslim in a flight, I suspect him because he is not scanned fully.
3) Afraid of communal riots and deaths: Right wing Hindus don't kill first but when attacked in Barbaric fmanner like Godhra they retaliate like Israel.
Watch this video and reaction of audience even ladies..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2SEQQd9gek
You can always rephrase the verses so that at least after 1 or two generations, the new Muslims have access to the revised Quaran and that would end terrorism.
This is all I want because I am a affected person. I don't want to die in a flight crash prematurely and as per our belief system, have to live like a Ghost for the remaining years of my life.
Thanks
Manoj
rajeev singh
Sahkir Ahmed
Yakut Bhai, Islam ye bhi shikhata hai that we be brave and tell truth. We both know what politics we discuss and this discussion is alienating our young generation against India. Identify the problem and dont blame one group for all our misery. We both know who we prefer to vote and why ! We can divide majority with our vote but in the end it will harm us only.
I love Islam, I love Bihar and I love India. Some of my Borthers may like Pakistan and it need not to be explained because it is very obvious. I remember those AMU days when we used to watch India Pakistan match and how tension used to buld up in canteen when more than half of our own brothers will support Pakistan but let me tell you the number of brother's supporting India was also not less.
My own family members support Pakistan my cousin's burst crackers when Pakistan win than they blame others for religious tension. I love Islam and it does not stop me from from loving other Indians.
Pakistan is enemy of India and by supporting enemy in any form will create sense of suspicion with our Indian people. We can make a good start by saying that we dont support Pakistan which was created from India just because some of our brothers did not want to stay with Hindus. People who choose to stay here made wise decision than why should they support Pakistan ? if they have so much love for Pakistan options are still open and we all know how we can easily get to other side.
Shakir
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Yakut Rumani sultan
Rajeev/Manoj,
@Manoj:” You said Muslims love Shariah - which has got both Civil and Criminal procedure code”. Muslim Personal Civil Law exist in India and fortunately people accept it India..no matter how it works..it has been defined in Muslim personal Law act and now if you talking about how it works then you will see the lousy legal system everywhere in india and we all know why it is. But if we accept Muslim Personal Law then why you do have problem?.That is not your business and if people try to push Shariah Law as an agenda in west/USA...why you do have problem??
I am also a frequent flyer and facing same problem but never think badly like you. For the $25 only why i will behave differently and like insane. Regarding authentic translation of Quran, I never rely on online translation but I will give you some reliable source but if you really want to know about that you must contact some Da’wa Center in your area and they will provide you the source/material to know those things.
Anyway it looks your mind is full of garbage and couldn't find the space to dump it.So you created this group which do not belongs to Bihar...
@Rajeev:I did not say Love towards Pakistan...again you acting differently and try to eliminate main things from the discussion. All those things you said that is based on political milestone...liike war..attact..blah blah...but why we are still trying to make a peace treaty with them...because we believe in peace a country...you should also believe that...as a country we may think in this way but whats wrong with the people living in Pakistan...they don’t have to do with this...may be a group or organisation is the responsible for those bull shit but not all the people of Pakistan. I am the person who believes Live and Let Live...not like you guys who are always ready to pull the legs with the name of religion..bull shit...regarding the language, I didn’t abuse you just said the right things, which you can never do even will not have capabilities to do that.
I marked you guys as spam since long time ago but received a heinous mail in my inbox and couldn’t stop myself to write you guys. Today I realized you people are the real example of spam.
Good Luck....
Yakut
rajeev singh
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