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Serge Issakov  
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 More options Oct 29 2012, 11:15 am
From: Serge Issakov <serge.issa...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:15:09 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 29 2012 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [BicycleDriving] The one type of crash that might truly be unavoidable: the oncoming drift

I think I would distinguish these two types of crashes involving oncoming
traffic:

A) Oncoming driver inadvertently drifts across onto other side of road.
B) Oncoming driver, thinking the other way is clear, intentionally crosses
over onto other side of road in order to pass slower traffic.

The main reason to distinguish them is because, like I originally said, I
can think of no way to prevent crashes of Type A, but I do think crashes of
Type B are more predictable and can be mitigated, primarily because the
driver involved is alert enough to have decided to pass another vehicle.
 At least during periods of no other same-direction traffic (when a
cross-the-center-line-pass is most likely), being positioned where the
driver is expecting and looking for oncoming traffic, in the middle of
traffic lane, is probably the best course.    John's reasoning that he
would have been hit by the police car had he been in the middle of the lane
rather than far right in the lane presumes positioning had no effect on the
apparent fact that he was either not noticed or was noticed but dismissed
as irrelevant due to being apparently out of the way.

Ironically, last night I was involved in a pull-out close-call of sorts
because I, driving my car, initially overlooked a far-right bicyclist even
though he had a bright head light.  I nudged out in a right-on-red
situation preparing to proceed when I suddenly noticed him and hit the
brakes.  It wasn't really that close, though he did start swerving and
slowing a bit in reaction to my initial proceeding.  In thinking about what
had happened I realized that I had probably turned right there thousands of
times since I first moved to San Diego in 1979, and can't recall ever
seeing a cyclist coming from my left there.  What I did without thinking
was *look for traffic* *in the traffic lanes*, and seeing none, assumed it
was clear to proceed.  So much of driving is habitual.

Anyway, I think a similar thing occurs when someone is on a 2-lane road
behind slower traffic and anticipating passing.  What they are looking for
is whether the oncoming lane is clear - a far-right cyclist is likely to
not register, at least not immediately, as traffic in the lane preventing
the pass.

Serge

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, John S. Allen <jsal...@bikexprt.com> wrote:

> This is also the type of crash that killed my friend Al Lester and another
> competitor in the same 24-hour race in upstate New York, in two separate
> incidents. Both motorists were teenagers who had been at the same drinking
> party, were going way above the speed limit and failed to negotiate
> right-hand curves. One of them died too when his car smashed into a boulder
> and, according to news reports, "exploded."

> As I recall, there was a woman cyclist, a masters racer, killed this way
> somewhere in the mid-Atlantic states a few years ago -- she was third in
> line with two other cyclists who both saw the car coming, and swerved out
> of the way, but she didn't. Can anyone recall her name?

> A year ago I could have got this from a police car headed for some
> incident with lights flashing -- but no siren -- though I had heard other
> police cars with sirens and it wasn't that police were in stealth mode. I
> was on a left-hand curve and had no warning of the police car that  pulled
> out to overtake a van on a narrow two-lane road. If I had been riding in
> the middle of the lane rather than near its right (my choice, as there was
> no traffic behind me), this would have been a major blemish on the
> reputation of the Weston, Massachusetts police department. A motorcyclist
> would have been riding in the middle of the lane, would definitely have had
> a head-on collision and almost certainly been killed.

> Commonly, as in my Weston incident, this kind of crash occurs when a
> vehicle pulls out to overtake on a two-lane rural road or highway. It gives
> me second thoughts about claiming the right lane on rural roads if there is
> no traffic  or sight line problem on the right requiring lane control.
> Sight lines ahead and the prospect of avoiding a head-on are better when
> closer to the right side of the road.

> This is of course a kind of crash that is not specific to cyclists. It
> also kills motorists. I easily could have died or been seriously injured
> with my wife and son in Bethel, Vermont a few years ago, driving home from
> vacation. A 16-year-old driver was looking over his right shoulder for
> something in the back of his pickup truck, on a gentle right curve. I was
> glancing at the speedometer and didn't see the truck start to drift into my
> lane-- my wife called out and I managed to swerve right so the crash was
> only a sideswipe. The car had air bags (that didn't go off-- it was a light
> impact -- , and we all were seatbelted, but the car was a station wagon and
> the back was packed with stuff which would have launched itself at us over
> the seat backs at us. Our rather old car was driveable once I pulled out
> part of the left rear quarter panel that was dragging on the tire, but it
> was totaled, as repairs would cost more than its book value.

> At 08:59 PM 10/27/2012, Wayne Pein wrote:

>> The only countermeasure is bicyclist awareness and skill. But that may
>> not be enough without luck. There's no way to know how many crazy almost
>> crashes are avoided due to skill and luck.

>> In the rain a motorist Left Crossed me on a 5 lane road. I did a
>> countersteer Quick Right, and went into a 2-wheel power slide on my road
>> bike, barely avoiding collision as the pickup truck zipped by. I wasn't
>> planning on skidding sideways but since it was slick that's what happened.
>> Somehow I stayed up. Not sure what would have happened had it been dry and
>> the Quick Right executed as designed; maybe avoided, maybe collided.

>> Wayne

>> On 10/27/12 8:06 PM, Serge Issakov wrote:

>>> This is the type of crash that killed Ken Kifer, and I don't know how
>>> this type of crash can be avoided.

>>>     Trent Graham, 30, was riding his bicycle along Evergreen Way just
>>>     south of the intersection with SW Everett Mall Way.

>>>     Just after 7:15 p.m., a southbound pickup drifted left across three
>>>     northbound lanes and struck the curb, Graham and a power pole,
>>>     Everett police officer Aaron Snell said.

>>> http://heraldnet.com/article/**20121018/NEWS01/710189899<http://heraldnet.com/article/20121018/NEWS01/710189899>

> John S. Allen

> jsallen *at* bikexprt.com

> http://bikexprt.com

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