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Michael Graff
May 4, 2012, 2:19:55 PM5/4/12
to Andy Goodell, BicycleDriving
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Andy Goodell <geekg...@gmail.com> wrote:
it seems to be a list of pets and advertisements so I assumed they were all spam.
"There must be a pony in here somewhere." ;-)
I know this list tries to keep the rules to a minimum, but could we maybe have a rule that the signature has to be shorter than the message content? ;-)
Ebeling, Jr., Herman F.
May 4, 2012, 3:00:22 PM5/4/12
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Michael,
Then wouldn't the group signature be too long? If we remove the quoted text from your post, it (the group signature) is longer than your message. Stop and think about the unintended consequences of what you're asking for.
Then wouldn't the group signature be too long? If we remove the quoted text from your post, it (the group signature) is longer than your message. Stop and think about the unintended consequences of what you're asking for.
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Trevor Bourget
May 4, 2012, 4:58:07 PM5/4/12
to HFEbe...@lycos.com, BicycleDriving
Herman, it is respectfully suggested to put a url in your sig and move your facebook page out of your messages.
I suspect you don't recount your resume every time you have a phone call.
-- trevor
I suspect you don't recount your resume every time you have a phone call.
-- trevor
Michael Graff
May 4, 2012, 5:10:57 PM5/4/12
to HFEbe...@lycos.com, BicycleDriving
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ebeling, Jr., Herman F. <HFEbe...@lycos.com> wrote:
wouldn't the group signature be too long?
Good point. It could be shorter. These three lines should be sufficient:
Only rule: no personal commentary (please comment about content, not people)To unsubscribe: bicycledrivin...@googlegroups.comGroup website: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycledriving
The "Glossary" and "Links" are no longer supported. The "archives" line is redundant with the "website". The "post" line is redundant with the message header.
Ebeling, Jr., Herman Frederick
May 4, 2012, 5:13:02 PM5/4/12
to BicycleDriving
Trevor,
If you've (or anyone) has visited my Facebook page you would see thst I spend VERY little time on my Facebook page. Yes, from time-to-time I'l click on the Facebook "like" icon. But other than I limit what I share via Facebook, or any social media web site.
One habit that I've noticed with a lot of members here, is that they'll click/tap reply all, but leave ALL email addresses. So that not only are they sending a copy of the reply to the group. But to the individual(s) that sent, or were sent a copy of the reply. To me that is being inconsiderate.
Sent from my Android powered tablet.
Michael Graff
May 4, 2012, 5:32:56 PM5/4/12
to Ebeling, Jr., Herman Frederick, BicycleDriving
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Ebeling, Jr., Herman Frederick <HFEbe...@lycos.com> wrote:
If you've (or anyone) has visited my Facebook page you would see thst I spend VERY little time on my Facebook page. Yes, from time-to-time I'l click on the Facebook "like" icon. But other than I limit what I share via Facebook, or any social media web site.
I assume Trevor was referring to the sheer quantity of info in your sig, equating it to the quantity of info that someone might typically share on a social networking site. Apparently you use your sig in place of Facebook.
Michael Graff
May 4, 2012, 5:46:02 PM5/4/12
to Ebeling, Jr., Herman Frederick, BicycleDriving
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Ebeling, Jr., Herman Frederick <HFEbe...@lycos.com> wrote:
One habit that I've noticed with a lot of members here, is that they'll click/tap reply all, but leave ALL email addresses. So that not only are they sending a copy of the reply to the group. But to the individual(s) that sent, or were sent a copy of the reply. To me that is being inconsiderate.
My mail client suppresses those duplicate messages. I only see one copy, whichever one arrives first.
I prefer that replies to me keep my address in the header. That ensures the message ends up in my inbox instead of my mailing list folder. And if I later search for messages "To:me", those replies will be found.
Replying to somebody but deleting their email address seems sneaky to me. It's like talking behind their back.
Ebeling, Jr., Herman F.
May 4, 2012, 7:17:19 PM5/4/12
to BicycleDriving
Michael,
It's a signature block that I have used in one form or another for quite some time now. It has over the years evolved as it were. I have thought about instead of a table two cells wide increasing it to either three or four cells wide.
I also currently have three devices that I use to access The Net/my email with. And each has it's own signature. And thus I can tell from "where" I read and replied to a given message.
And given that there is a separator between the body of my email and signature I don't see what the problem is. You see my name, and the signature and know not to read any further.
It's a signature block that I have used in one form or another for quite some time now. It has over the years evolved as it were. I have thought about instead of a table two cells wide increasing it to either three or four cells wide.
I also currently have three devices that I use to access The Net/my email with. And each has it's own signature. And thus I can tell from "where" I read and replied to a given message.
And given that there is a separator between the body of my email and signature I don't see what the problem is. You see my name, and the signature and know not to read any further.
Ebeling, Jr., Herman F.
May 4, 2012, 7:20:47 PM5/4/12
to BicycleDriving
Michael,
I'm using Thunderbird and I get two copies of every message when someone replies to my messages. I get the copy sent to the group and I get the copy sent to me. With both of them ending up in the folder for the group. It's not only redundant, but takes up space.
And also let's not forget that not everyone trims their posts. I've seen plenty examples where a person when replying left EVERY single reply in their reply.
I'm using Thunderbird and I get two copies of every message when someone replies to my messages. I get the copy sent to the group and I get the copy sent to me. With both of them ending up in the folder for the group. It's not only redundant, but takes up space.
And also let's not forget that not everyone trims their posts. I've seen plenty examples where a person when replying left EVERY single reply in their reply.
Trevor Bourget
May 4, 2012, 11:38:15 PM5/4/12
to BicycleDriving
Every message of Herman's is 128KB of data. For each user of a mobile device this is not free time or money.
Ebeling, Jr., Herman F.
May 7, 2012, 2:24:53 AM5/7/12
to BicycleDriving
On 04-May-12 23:38, Trevor Bourget wrote:
Every message of Herman's is 128KB of data. For each user of a mobile device this is not free time or money.
Trevor,
Actually, that would depend on one's plan. I'm on Sprint's unlimited data plan. NOT that I use my smartphone/mobile device for posting. As I am not a big fan of the on screen keyboard. As I usually end up having to backspace and retype letters to get the correct letter entered.
Actually, that would depend on one's plan. I'm on Sprint's unlimited data plan. NOT that I use my smartphone/mobile device for posting. As I am not a big fan of the on screen keyboard. As I usually end up having to backspace and retype letters to get the correct letter entered.
Andrejs
May 7, 2012, 12:03:41 PM5/7/12
to BicycleDriving
> On 04-May-12 23:38, Trevor Bourget wrote:> Every message of Herman's is 128KB of data. For each user of a mobile
> > device this is not free time or money.
I get this list via a digest. I want to stress that Herman's crime of
> > device this is not free time or money.
inconsiderateness is only marginally greater than that of people who
resend quotes of all previous messages without regard to relevance. It
creates a stream of gibberish out of which to pick a few new
sentences. The digest is almost unreadable under any circumstances
and on my phone, completely so.
Andrejs
Ithaca, NY
Ebeling, Jr., Herman F.
May 8, 2012, 5:16:42 PM5/8/12
to BicycleDriving
On 07-May-12 12:03, Andrejs wrote:
I get this list via a digest. I want to stress that Herman's crime of inconsiderateness is only marginally greater than that of people who resend quotes of all previous messages without regard to relevance. It creates a stream of gibberish out of which to pick a few new sentences. The digest is almost unreadable under any circumstances and on my phone, completely so. Andrejs Ithaca, NY
Andrejs,
I am sorry that apparently you and some others consider a person having a signature block at the end of their e-mail to be inconsiderate. What I consider to be inconsiderate is people who as you've pointed out do not trim the old messages out of their replies. I also consider it inconsiderate for people to comment (negatively) about one element of a persons e-mail. An element that is clearly separated from the body of the e-mail and can be easily ignored. I would also have to say that I find it inconsiderate of people to tell someone how they could "better" include their signature, i.e. "you could make a web page and include the URL to that web page as your signature instead." I also consider it to be inconsiderate that when posting to a group to send a second copy of the e-mail to the person who originally sent the e-mail as well. Especially considering that some are claiming my e-mails to the group cause them "great" angst being as they're using their smartphones to read/reply to the group messages. I've gotten more than a few e-mails from the group with it seems like a half-dozen other people listed in the "To:" field.
One of the other things that I find to be inconsiderate is people who post their new message above the message that they are replying to. Now granted when I use one of my two android powered devices (which is rare) I haven't found a setting that I can change so that my reply is at the bottom. Which is one of the reasons that I rarely use them for posting to this or any other group that I am a member of.
If anyone has a problem with my signature block I respectfully suggest the following:
I am sorry that apparently you and some others consider a person having a signature block at the end of their e-mail to be inconsiderate. What I consider to be inconsiderate is people who as you've pointed out do not trim the old messages out of their replies. I also consider it inconsiderate for people to comment (negatively) about one element of a persons e-mail. An element that is clearly separated from the body of the e-mail and can be easily ignored. I would also have to say that I find it inconsiderate of people to tell someone how they could "better" include their signature, i.e. "you could make a web page and include the URL to that web page as your signature instead." I also consider it to be inconsiderate that when posting to a group to send a second copy of the e-mail to the person who originally sent the e-mail as well. Especially considering that some are claiming my e-mails to the group cause them "great" angst being as they're using their smartphones to read/reply to the group messages. I've gotten more than a few e-mails from the group with it seems like a half-dozen other people listed in the "To:" field.
One of the other things that I find to be inconsiderate is people who post their new message above the message that they are replying to. Now granted when I use one of my two android powered devices (which is rare) I haven't found a setting that I can change so that my reply is at the bottom. Which is one of the reasons that I rarely use them for posting to this or any other group that I am a member of.
If anyone has a problem with my signature block I respectfully suggest the following:
- keep it to yourself (ask yourself if there's anything that you do when posting that someone might find inconsiderate)
- if it bothers you that much add my address to your filter to have my messages to the group automatically deleted (or just delete them without opening them if you can't create a filter to do it for you)
Neal
May 8, 2012, 6:56:36 PM5/8/12
to bicycle...@googlegroups.com, HFEbe...@lycos.com
Hello Digital_Cowboy and All,
Well ......................... to use Cowboy talk ..................... I think this discussion may be picking the fly specs out of the horseshit.
For my part you can sign your message any way you like and as often as you like.
If I don't like it I will ignore it or delete it.
However .............. unless the old message or part of it is needed for context ............... I like posting my reply first since you have already read the right real reading (really) of the original message and unless you have ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) or memory problems you probably do not want to read it again placed as the first part of a message................ or maybe you to not want to read the original message again ...............ever.
The rules of email etiquette are not "rules" in the sense that I will come after you if you don't follow them. They are guidelines that help avoid mistakes (like offending someone when you don't mean to) and misunderstandings (like being offended when you're not meant to). These core rules of email etiquette help us communicate better via email.
The Way of the Lazy: Easy, Still Correct and Good-Looking
Fortunately, there's always more than one way to do something. Typically, these options are all not perfect, but there can easily be more than one proper approach. Now, here's the more relaxed but still perfectly readable and acceptable and compatible — and proper — way to reply to an email.
To format an email reply properly while being lazy:
- Start your message right at the top of the reply.
- Include the original message you are replying to below.
- Make sure your signature is above the quoted text.
- Do not make any changes to the quoted material.
- You can, of course, cut excessive length and (should often remove) inline attachments. Replace them with "[...]".
- Do repeat, in as few words as possible, questions you are answering.
- Instead of a mere "Yes.", try "You asked whether we want apples. Yes we do." or "We want apples, yes.".
- Make sure the quoted text is not indented, neither using '>' characters nor quotation bars.
- If you reply to the reply of a reply, you can remove old, now unnecessary messages from the bottom.
In email clients and services like Gmail that automatically archive and thread discussions intelligently, this style of reply works particularly well. Since all the quoted text is in one place, it can be hidden easily and without disturbing the coherence of the message while inter-message context is establish through the original emails.
Carry on .........................
Cheers,
Neal
Ebeling, Jr., Herman F.
May 8, 2012, 7:09:57 PM5/8/12
to bicycle...@googlegroups.com
Neal,
Actually, I DO have both ADHD, and Aspergers.
When I first started online (I can't/don't want to think about how many years ago that was) it was considered good form to post one's reply under the original text so that someone new to the thread would be able to understand what was being discussed.
Actually, I DO have both ADHD, and Aspergers.
When I first started online (I can't/don't want to think about how many years ago that was) it was considered good form to post one's reply under the original text so that someone new to the thread would be able to understand what was being discussed.
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