patents and legal status
Bruce D'Arcus
publishing stuff as BIBO, I was just looking into the "legal status"
property that Simon was asking about. Previously I had conjectured
that bibo:status might work. But bibo:status is an object property,
and so ideally its value is a URI.
Here's some info I found:
<http://library.dialog.com/bluesheets/html/bl0123.html>
Here's an example record that includes "status changes":
<http://library.dialog.com/bluesheets/html/bl0123.html#RC>
I really have no idea how Zotero captures this information (can't find
an example with this). Simon?
Bruce
Tom Keays
that a patent might have while it is being applied for, accepted,
renewed, expired, etc. E.G.,
ADVERSE DECISION
CERTIFICATE OF CORRECTION
DISCLAIMER/DEDICATION
EXPIRED
REASSIGNED
REEXAMINATION REQUESTED
REEXAMINED
REINSTATED
REISSUE REQUESTED
Is that what you were intending or was it more in the sense that
patents (generally) exist in two forms: a patent application (applied
for but not yet granted) and patent (granted)? In most database
searches I've done, that's what matters most.
Bruce D'Arcus
>
> The CLAIMS database is going into all the nitty gritty legal statuses
> that a patent might have while it is being applied for, accepted,
> renewed, expired, etc. E.G.,
> ADVERSE DECISION
> CERTIFICATE OF CORRECTION
> DISCLAIMER/DEDICATION
> EXPIRED
> REASSIGNED
> REEXAMINATION REQUESTED
> REEXAMINED
> REINSTATED
> REISSUE REQUESTED
>
> Is that what you were intending or was it more in the sense that
> patents (generally) exist in two forms: a patent application (applied
> for but not yet granted) and patent (granted)? In most database
> searches I've done, that's what matters most.
I'm just having a hard time understanding how this should be modeled
in BIBO, and hence how Zotero should deal with it.
Bruce
Frederick Giasson
What is the issue with having an individual which is a DocumentStatus:
bkn_status:legal again?
Thanks,
Fred
Rob Styles
That would have the benefit of letting people model alternative flows outside of bibo if they chose to.
rob
Rob Styles
http://dynamicorange.com
Bruce D'Arcus
> Probably overkill for what you're talking about, but a very simple patent
> lifecycle could be modelled using http://purl.org/vocab/lifecycle/schema#
>
> That would have the benefit of letting people model alternative flows
> outside of bibo if they chose to.
That would indeed work in general, but certainly not in Zotero (or
even likely BIBO).
The problem is that Zotero treats pretty much everything as a dumb
string, which translates into either literals or blank nodes in RDF.
I really, really want to move them away from this*. But I don't see
how to realistically do this for this particular case (patents). Might
make sense to use some (another) dumb literal like statusNote. Not
sure if that belongs in BIBO or not.
Bruce
* where containers at least, but hopefully at some points too
contributors, are identified by URIs
Frederick Giasson
> The problem is that Zotero treats pretty much everything as a dumb
> string, which translates into either literals or blank nodes in RDF.
>
I think remembering that it was the case with their old RDF export.
However, won't it be one of the use of their Zotero server: to get(or
asign) more permanent IDs for the items that get exported (in BIBO or
other formats)?
Do you have some insights?
Thanks!
Fred
Bruce D'Arcus
I would hope it would be the case, but as of yet, I see no evidence
that this is in the plans.
BTW, one thing that would be obvious help along these lines is the
periodicals incubator project that Chris was working on.
Bruce
Frederick Giasson
> I would hope it would be the case, but as of yet, I see no evidence
> that this is in the plans.
>
This is bad.
> BTW, one thing that would be obvious help along these lines is the
> periodicals incubator project that Chris was working on.
>
Yes and no. There is nothing to be done in that regard without any
system that match and disambiguate possible entities and then to tag an
ID to it (automatically or with supervision).
The problem, I think, is that it appears that all items on Zotero Server
(what I can see) are siloed in groups and individual libraries.
Apparently two different users or groups could have references to the
same articles, without knowing it. Do you know if it is the case or not?
If it is, then it is the reason why they are not using their server to
do this job.
However, I personally have no problem with them creating blank node
since other systems could simply ingest (using BIBO or any other
exported format) to do this linkage by themselves, with their system, etc.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Fred
Bruce D'Arcus
On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Frederick Giasson <fr...@fgiasson.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
>> I would hope it would be the case, but as of yet, I see no evidence
>> that this is in the plans.
>>
> This is bad.
>> BTW, one thing that would be obvious help along these lines is the
>> periodicals incubator project that Chris was working on.
>>
>
> Yes and no. There is nothing to be done in that regard without any
> system that match and disambiguate possible entities and then to tag
> an
> ID to it (automatically or with supervision).
>
> The problem, I think, is that it appears that all items on Zotero
> Server
> (what I can see) are siloed in groups and individual libraries.
> Apparently two different users or groups could have references to the
> same articles, without knowing it. Do you know if it is the case or
> not?
>
> If it is, then it is the reason why they are not using their server to
> do this job.
>
> However, I personally have no problem with them creating blank node
> since other systems could simply ingest (using BIBO or any other
> exported format) to do this linkage by themselves, with their
> system, etc.
>
>
> Thoughts?
greatly limits what zotero can do.
Bruce
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Fred
>
> >