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Bruce D'Arcus

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Feb 11, 2011, 2:42:29 PM2/11/11
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I'm just now remembering to take a look at bibo export in latest
zotero beta. Comments, with examples in turtle:

The main, quite big, issue is there's a whole lot of needless blank
nodes. Example:

<file:///home/bdarcus/Data/zlibrary.rdf#item_10>
res:resource
<http://journals.ohiolink.edu/ejc/article.cgi?issn=00045608&issue=v95i0002&article=294_tpogpibcuas>
;
a z:UserItem ;
z:accessDate "2008-02-07 16:18:08" .

Also, on z:accessDate: a) did the Resource List ontology not add
something such a property?, and b) is the correct data-type value
(xsd:date-time)?

Again, a blank node for critical data:

<file:///home/bdarcus/Data/zlibrary.rdf#item_107>
res:resource [
dcterms:creator _:n710 ;
dcterms:isPartOf [
dcterms:date "1998" ;
dcterms:isPartOf [
dcterms:title "Review of International Political Economy" ;
a bibo:Journal
] ;
bibo:issue "1" ;
bibo:volume "5" ;
a bibo:Issue
] ;
dcterms:title "Global cities, glocal states: global city
formation and state territorial restructuring in contemporary Europe"
;
bibo:authorList [
rdf:_1 _:n710 ;
a rdf:Seq
] ;
bibo:pages "1-37" ;
a bibo:AcademicArticle
] ;
a z:UserItem .

So far, I have not seen a single property value that is a URI. The
upshot is that the modeling offers the modelling costs of RDF
(complexity) without the benefits?

Bruce

Bruce D'Arcus

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Feb 11, 2011, 4:09:04 PM2/11/11
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:56 PM, skornblith <si...@simonster.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 2:42 pm, "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm just now remembering to take a look at bibo export in latest
>> zotero beta. Comments, with examples in turtle:
>>
>> The main, quite big, issue is there's a whole lot of needless blank
>> nodes. Example:
>>
>> <file:///home/bdarcus/Data/zlibrary.rdf#item_10>
>>     res:resource
>> <http://journals.ohiolink.edu/ejc/article.cgi?issn=00045608&issue=v95i...>

>> ;
>>     a z:UserItem ;
>>     z:accessDate "2008-02-07 16:18:08" .
>
> This should probably refer to items with http://zotero.org URIs.

Yes,exactly.

>> Also, on z:accessDate: a) did the Resource List ontology not add
>> something such a property?, and b) is the correct data-type value
>> (xsd:date-time)?
>

> No, the Resource List ontology didn't add this. (And, FWIW, I'm still
> not sure it doesn't belong in BIBO, since it is necessary to
> unambiguously identify a cited webpage. Avram recently pointed out on
> the item types/fields issue tracker that WebCite has been issuing DOIs
> for archived versions of webpages.) What would you rather the data
> type be?

I think the way you do it here is appropriate because it's about when
the user accessed it.

>> Again, a blank node for critical data:
>>
>> <file:///home/bdarcus/Data/zlibrary.rdf#item_107>
>>     res:resource [
>>         dcterms:creator _:n710 ;
>>         dcterms:isPartOf [
>>             dcterms:date "1998" ;
>>             dcterms:isPartOf [
>>                 dcterms:title "Review of International Political Economy" ;
>>                 a bibo:Journal
>>             ] ;
>>             bibo:issue "1" ;
>>             bibo:volume "5" ;
>>             a bibo:Issue
>>         ] ;
>>         dcterms:title "Global cities, glocal states: global city
>> formation and state territorial restructuring in contemporary Europe"
>> ;
>>         bibo:authorList [
>>             rdf:_1 _:n710 ;
>>             a rdf:Seq
>>         ] ;
>>         bibo:pages "1-37" ;
>>         a bibo:AcademicArticle
>>     ] ;
>>     a z:UserItem .
>>
>> So far, I have not seen a single property value that is a URI.
>

> res:resource in your example above is a property value that is a URI.

Yes, you're right; I stand corrected.

>> The
>> upshot is that the modeling offers the modelling costs of RDF
>> (complexity) without the benefits?
>

> If you don't provide an ISBN, DOI, or URI an item, Zotero can't
> provide a URI for the item.

OK. Fixing the item links would at least be a good start.

> I know you have been asking us to create
> URIs for items, but at the moment we don't have the resources to deal
> with the record linkage issues. If there is an ISBN, DOI, or URI the
> export should use it. If it's not using these identifiers, that's a
> bug, but it doesn't look like the item you provide above has any of
> this metadata.
>
> If there are other cases where you think we should model things
> differently, I would be happy to hear.

I think so far the modeling itself looks pretty good.

> FWIW, I think the complexity is almost entirely introduced by
> hierarchical structuring. MODS, which is also hierarchically
> structured but doesn't use RDF, has similar complexity, which is
> probably why relatively few tools can read/write it. A flat RDF format
> does not look very different from plain XML.

True. But unlike in MODS, the purpose of what you call "hierarchy"
here is to enable addressable/linkable objects: people, pubs, etc.
Example of obvious relevance:

<http://www.citeulike.org/author/D'Arcus:B>

Am I right that solving this issue is tied into other issues, like
duplicate detection?

Bruce

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