I've been working on getting Bespin up on my Windows XP Desktop and
have spent around 5 hours total finding out how to get this thing
working, e.g. Adding Path's so that commands in the Command Prompt
will work, running paver requires you to be in the bespinclient folder
and not the Scripts folder (Who'd a thunk-it =P)

Anyways, I was singing Hallelujah when I finally got paver to run
install_server instead of giving me the usual "Build failed: Unknown
task: install_server". The output is as follows:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------
(bespinclient) C:\Bespin\bespinclient>paver install_server
---> pavement.install_server
---> pavement.develop
running develop
running egg_info
writing BespinServer.egg-info\PKG-INFO
writing top-level names to BespinServer.egg-info\top_level.txt
writing dependency_links to BespinServer.egg-info\dependency_links.txt
writing entry points to BespinServer.egg-info\entry_points.txt
reading manifest file 'BespinServer.egg-info\SOURCES.txt'
reading manifest template 'MANIFEST.in'
writing manifest file 'BespinServer.egg-info\SOURCES.txt'
running build_ext
Creating c:\bespin\bespinclient\lib\site-packages\BespinServer.egg-
link (link to
 .)
BespinServer tip is already the active version in easy-install.pth
Installing queue_stats-script.py script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing queue_stats.exe script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts
Installing queue_stats.exe.manifest script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing telnet_mobwrite-script.py script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing telnet_mobwrite.exe script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing telnet_mobwrite.exe.manifest script to C:\Bespin
\bespinclient\Scripts

Installing bespin_mobwrite-script.py script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing bespin_mobwrite.exe script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing bespin_mobwrite.exe.manifest script to C:\Bespin
\bespinclient\Scripts

Installing bespin_worker-script.py script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
Installing bespin_worker.exe script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts
Installing bespin_worker.exe.manifest script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts

Installed c:\bespin\bespinserver
Processing dependencies for BespinServer==tip
Finished processing dependencies for BespinServer==tip
easy_install ext/pip-0.4.1.tar.gz
Processing pip-0.4.1.tar.gz
Running pip-0.4.1\setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir c:\docume~1\mona
\locals~1\tem
p\easy_install-pss3yf\pip-0.4.1\egg-dist-tmp-kadkrs
zip_safe flag not set; analyzing archive contents...
pip: module references __file__
pip 0.4.1dev is already the active version in easy-install.pth
Installing pip-script.py script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts
Installing pip.exe script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts
Installing pip.exe.manifest script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts

Installed c:\bespin\bespinclient\lib\site-packages\pip-0.4.1dev-
py2.6.egg
Processing dependencies for pip==0.4.1dev
Finished processing dependencies for pip==0.4.1dev
pip install -r requirements.txt
Downloading/unpacking http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/s/simplejson/simple
json-2.0.9.tar.gz#egg=simplejson (from -r requirements.txt (line 5))
  Downloading simplejson-2.0.9.tar.gz (115Kb): 115Kb downloaded
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from http://pypi.python.org/packages/sou
rce/s/simplejson/simplejson-2.0.9.tar.gz#egg=simplejson
Unpacking c:\bespin\bespinserver\ext\paste-1.7.3dev-r7791.tar.gz
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from file:///c%7C%5Cbespin%5Cbespinserve
r%5Cext%5Cpaste-1.7.3dev-r7791.tar.gz
Unpacking c:\bespin\bespinserver\ext\virtualenv-1.3.4dev.tar.gz
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from file:///c%7C%5Cbespin%5Cbespinserve
r%5Cext%5Cvirtualenv-1.3.4dev.tar.gz
    WARNING: '' not a valid package name; please use only.-separated
package nam
es in setup.py
Downloading/unpacking http://httplib2.googlecode.com/files/httplib2-0.4.0.tar.gz
 (from -r requirements.txt (line 11))
  Downloading httplib2-0.4.0.tar.gz
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from http://httplib2.googlecode.com/file
s/httplib2-0.4.0.tar.gz
Downloading/unpacking http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/path.py/path-2.2.
zip#md5=941660081788282887f652510d80e64e (from -r requirements.txt
(line 12))
  Downloading path-2.2.zip
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from http://pypi.python.org/packages/sou
rce/p/path.py/path-2.2.zip#md5=941660081788282887f652510d80e64e
Unpacking c:\bespin\bespinserver\ext\omnisync-0.1a0.tar.gz
  Running setup.py egg_info for package from file:///c%7C%5Cbespin%5Cbespinserve
r%5Cext%5Comnisync-0.1a0.tar.gz
Requirement already satisfied: argparse in c:\bespin\bespinclient\lib
\site-packa
ges (from -r requirements.txt (line 15))
Requirement already satisfied: sqlalchemy-migrate>0.5.1 in c:\bespin
\bespinclien
t\lib\site-packages (from -r requirements.txt (line 7))
Downloading/unpacking PyCrypto (from -r requirements.txt (line 13))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package PyCrypto
Downloading/unpacking urlrelay>0.7 (from -r requirements.txt (line 1))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package urlrelay
    package init file 'tests\__init__.py' not found (or not a regular
file)
Downloading/unpacking WebTest (from -r requirements.txt (line 3))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package WebTest
Downloading/unpacking SQLAlchemy (from -r requirements.txt (line 6))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package SQLAlchemy
    no previously-included directories found matching 'doc\build
\output'
Downloading/unpacking static (from -r requirements.txt (line 9))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package static
Downloading/unpacking nose (from -r requirements.txt (line 4))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package nose
    no previously-included directories found matching 'doc\.build'
Downloading/unpacking uvc>=0.4.4 (from -r requirements.txt (line 14))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package uvc
Downloading/unpacking WebOb (from -r requirements.txt (line 2))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package WebOb
Downloading/unpacking decorator (from sqlalchemy-migrate>0.5.1->-r
requirements.
txt (line 7))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package decorator
    warning: no previously-included files found matching 'Makefile'
Downloading/unpacking wsgiref (from static->-r requirements.txt (line
9))
  Running setup.py egg_info for package wsgiref
Installing collected packages: argparse, decorator, httplib2, nose,
omnisync, Pa
ste, path, PyCrypto, simplejson, SQLAlchemy, sqlalchemy-migrate,
static, urlrela
y, uvc, virtualenv, WebOb, WebTest, wsgiref
  Running setup.py install for virtualenv
    WARNING: '' not a valid package name; please use only.-separated
package nam
es in setup.py
    Installing virtualenv-script.py script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
    Installing virtualenv.exe script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts
    Installing virtualenv.exe.manifest script to C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\Scripts
  Running setup.py install for simplejson
    building 'simplejson._speedups' extension

***************************************************************************
    WARNING: The C extension could not be compiled, speedups are not
enabled.
    Failure information, if any, is above.
    I'm retrying the build without the C extension now.

***************************************************************************

***************************************************************************
    WARNING: The C extension could not be compiled, speedups are not
enabled.
    Plain-Python installation succeeded.

***************************************************************************
  Running setup.py install for PyCrypto
    building 'Crypto.Hash.MD2' extension
    error: Unable to find vcvarsall.bat
    Complete output from command C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts
\python.exe -c "i
mport setuptools; __file__='C:\\Bespin\\bespinclient\\build\\PyCrypto\
\setup.py'
; execfile('C:\\Bespin\\bespinclient\\build\\PyCrypto\\setup.py')"
install --sin
gle-version-externally-managed --record c:\docume~1\mona\locals~1\temp
\pip-x3bo3
y-record\install-record.txt --install-headers C:\Bespin\bespinclient
\lib\include
:
    running install

running build

running build_py

running build_ext

building 'Crypto.Hash.MD2' extension

error: Unable to find vcvarsall.bat

----------------------------------------
Command C:\Bespin\bespinclient\Scripts\python.exe -c "import
setuptools; __file_
_='C:\\Bespin\\bespinclient\\build\\PyCrypto\\setup.py'; execfile('C:\
\Bespin\\b
espinclient\\build\\PyCrypto\\setup.py')" install --single-version-
externally-ma
naged --record c:\docume~1\mona\locals~1\temp\pip-x3bo3y-record
\install-record.t
xt --install-headers C:\Bespin\bespinclient\lib\include failed with
error code 1

Storing complete log in ./pip-log.txt

Captured Task Output:
---------------------

However, there is one library (PyCrypto) which has C code that is not
optional. You do need to get a working C compiler environment running. When
using Windows Python, the easiest thing to do is install Microsoft Visual
C++ Express.

Python 2.6, as downloaded from python.org, is a normal Windows program. It
expects things to operate in a Windowsy way.

cygwin is something akin to Unix-on-Windows. It creates a fairly complete
Unix environment that happens to have Windows sitting underneath it. When
using cygwin, you really want to use cygwin's Python, not Windows Python.
Unless you're familiar with and like Unix, I wouldn't recommend the cygwin
approach.

MinGW is something in between cygwin and normal Windows. Its compilers build
standard Windows programs, rather than the unix-y things that cygwin's
compilers build. MinGW's C compiler can be set up to build C extensions for
Windows Python. However, this is non-trivial.

The easiest route is certainly to install MSVC++ Express.

One question for you: if you're working to integrate the Bespin editor
component into a larger project (and not get something akin to
bespin.mozilla.com running), I may be able to save you a lot of trouble...
all depends on what you're trying to do.

Kevin

--
Kevin Dangoor

Just took your advice and installed Microsoft Visual C++ and
uninstalled Cygwin and MinGW. To be honest they sat there and I didn't
really know what they're supposed to be used for...

So, I decided to see if your fix fixes the problem so I re-downloaded
bespinclient and bespinserver. I'll kinda just give you a rundown on
what happens:
1) (Inside the bespinclient folder) "python bootstrap.py --no-site-
packages"
     * Something I realized after the post was that command prompt was
saying it didn't recognize the command narwhal so I went back and
added that bat file to the Path's.

     * Command Prompt says:
"git clone -q git://github.com/dangoor/narwhal.git
narwhal/bin/sea tusk install jack" and then it launches Rhino
JavaScript Debugs... Never saw that before, but it has a Go button so
I hit that.
     * After that I get:
<-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
"Captured Task Output:
---------------------

---> pavement.initial
---> pavement.install_narwhal
git clone -q git://github.com/dangoor/narwhal.git
narwhal/bin/sea tusk install jack

Build failed running pavement.initial: Subprocess return code: 1"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------

Using c:\bespin\bespinclient\lib\site-packages\paver-1.0.1-py2.6.egg
Processing dependencies for paver==1.0.1
Finished processing dependencies for paver==1.0.1
---> pavement.initial
---> pavement.install_narwhal
ln -sf C:\Bespin\bespinclient\src\bespin-core narwhal/packages/
ln -sf C:\Bespin\bespinclient\src\bespin-supported narwhal/packages/
ln -sf C:\Bespin\bespinclient\src\bespin-labs narwhal/packages/
ln -sf C:\Bespin\bespinclient\src\bespin-build narwhal/packages/
Welcome to the Bespin Developer Build!

We want to get your development server up and running quickly.
If you run into trouble, please head over to the Bespin
Googlegroup and we can help:

http://groups.google.com/group/bespin/

We maintain a Python-based web server that is easy to get
running in development. It works with Python 2.5 or 2.6
only.

    Note about running on Windows
    -----------------------------

    The current, up-to-date Bespin backend is written in Python.
Because
    Python is cross-platform, it should be possible (and likely not
too
    difficult) to make the backend work on Windows once Python 2.5 is
    installed. However, this has not been tested and there are likely
two
    issues:

    1. some libraries used by Bespin try to compile C code (*)
    2. some paths may not be correct on Windows systems

    Microsoft offers free command line compilers that work well with
    Python.

The Python server lives in a separate Mercurial repository.
To get the Python server installed, run these two commands:

Scripts/activate.bat
paver install_server

* NOTE: "paver" always needs to be run in the directory with the
pavement.py file (eg, the "bespinclient" directory)."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------

When talking about getting a team working on collaboratively developing a
project, the first thing I think of is not a collaborative editor, but
rather version control systems. I don't think you really want to have one
piece of code that everyone edits, with no change tracking, etc.

Do you already have a version control system in mind/set up?

Kevin

--
Kevin Dangoor

If you don't mind, could you give me the name of a good control
system? You don't have to explain how to set it up or install it but
you've just opened up something I've never heard of...

I'm not the greatest team web developer but I'd like to know what i
should be doing to make our project work.

Oh, and I still would like to install Bespin - just for the fun of it
you could say =P.

On Nov 3, 3:55 pm, Kevin Dangoor <kdang...@mozilla.com> wrote:

Once you start using version control, you'll wonder how you got by without
it before!

Here's wikipedia's article on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control

If you use Mercurial, you can get TortoiseHg which integrates with Windows
Explorer, so you don't have to use the command line for everything:

http://bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/stable/wiki/Home

There appears to also be a TortoiseGit:

http://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/

You can use these systems directly on your own computer, no server required.
However, to share code you'll need a server. Luckily, there are services
that will host it for free.

Mercurial: http://bitbucket.org
Git: http://github.com

And, there are books online for both of them.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Labs/Bespin/DeveloperGuide/S...

That will get you the version of Bespin that is currently running at
bespin.mozilla.com. That code has far fewer rough edges.

Kevin

--
Kevin Dangoor