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Neal Lindeman
May 12, 2013, 5:58:26 PM5/12/13
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Beneteau apparently sprays a water barrier into the mold when they layup the hull. I remember that Beneteau strongly cautions against abraiding the hull by sanding with too course a grit.
My paint is chipping off right down to the shiny white gelcoat so a repaint is in my future. I will go from ablative to VC-17.
I am guessing that the mold release wax was not removed when it was initially painted.
Now my question, if I have the paint chemically striped rather than blasted or sanded do I still need to put on a barrier coats of 2000 or tar? Will the VC adhere directly to the striped hull or is it necessary for adhesion for the VC to go on top of the 2000?
I have a bid of around $3000 for a strip, 4 coats of 2000 and 2 coats of VC. However at $100 bucks a gallon significant money can be save if the barrier coats are unecessary.
Thoughts????
Neal Lindeman
My paint is chipping off right down to the shiny white gelcoat so a repaint is in my future. I will go from ablative to VC-17.
I am guessing that the mold release wax was not removed when it was initially painted.
Now my question, if I have the paint chemically striped rather than blasted or sanded do I still need to put on a barrier coats of 2000 or tar? Will the VC adhere directly to the striped hull or is it necessary for adhesion for the VC to go on top of the 2000?
I have a bid of around $3000 for a strip, 4 coats of 2000 and 2 coats of VC. However at $100 bucks a gallon significant money can be save if the barrier coats are unecessary.
Thoughts????
Neal Lindeman
Dean Forbis
May 12, 2013, 6:03:53 PM5/12/13
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Do the VC Tar barrier coats while you are down to the bare gel coat. Reapplying VC 17 over the coming years will be a breeze once this step is done.
How hard can sanding the old ablative off be? DIY !
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May 12, 2013, 6:19:32 PM5/12/13
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Where is boat sailed? Vc Tar still made?
You need to rough the fiberglass for VC17
You need to rough the fiberglass for VC17
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Noble, Milner E.
May 12, 2013, 6:43:37 PM5/12/13
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When I bought my boat, I did this. But my boat was built way before the barrier coat process. We went the DYI route following the VC Tar instructions to the letter. As Dean said, reapplications of VC-17 have been a breeze.
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Do the VC Tar barrier coats while you are down to the bare gel coat. Reapplying VC 17 over the coming years will be a breeze once this step is done.
How hard can sanding the old ablative off be? DIY !
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On May 12, 2013, at 6:04 PM, "Dean Forbis" <echor...@gmail.com<mailto:echor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do the VC Tar barrier coats while you are down to the bare gel coat. Reapplying VC 17 over the coming years will be a breeze once this step is done.
How hard can sanding the old ablative off be? DIY !
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Neal Lindeman <nlin...@hotmail.com<mailto:nlin...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Beneteau apparently sprays a water barrier into the mold when they layup the hull. I remember that Beneteau strongly cautions against abraiding the hull by sanding with too course a grit.
My paint is chipping off right down to the shiny white gelcoat so a repaint is in my future. I will go from ablative to VC-17.
I am guessing that the mold release wax was not removed when it was initially painted.
Now my question, if I have the paint chemically striped rather than blasted or sanded do I still need to put on a barrier coats of 2000 or tar? Will the VC adhere directly to the striped hull or is it necessary for adhesion for the VC to go on top of the 2000?
I have a bid of around $3000 for a strip, 4 coats of 2000 and 2 coats of VC. However at $100 bucks a gallon significant money can be save if the barrier coats are unecessary.
Thoughts????
Neal Lindeman
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Beneteau apparently sprays a water barrier into the mold when they layup the hull. I remember that Beneteau strongly cautions against abraiding the hull by sanding with too course a grit.
My paint is chipping off right down to the shiny white gelcoat so a repaint is in my future. I will go from ablative to VC-17.
I am guessing that the mold release wax was not removed when it was initially painted.
Now my question, if I have the paint chemically striped rather than blasted or sanded do I still need to put on a barrier coats of 2000 or tar? Will the VC adhere directly to the striped hull or is it necessary for adhesion for the VC to go on top of the 2000?
I have a bid of around $3000 for a strip, 4 coats of 2000 and 2 coats of VC. However at $100 bucks a gallon significant money can be save if the barrier coats are unecessary.
Thoughts????
Neal Lindeman
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Noble, Milner E.
May 12, 2013, 6:44:06 PM5/12/13
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Where is boat sailed? Vc Tar still made?
You need to rough the fiberglass for VC17
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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} prep for bottom paint - next year
Beneteau apparently sprays a water barrier into the mold when they layup the hull. I remember that Beneteau strongly cautions against abraiding the hull by sanding with too course a grit.
My paint is chipping off right down to the shiny white gelcoat so a repaint is in my future. I will go from ablative to VC-17.
I am guessing that the mold release wax was not removed when it was initially painted.
Now my question, if I have the paint chemically striped rather than blasted or sanded do I still need to put on a barrier coats of 2000 or tar? Will the VC adhere directly to the striped hull or is it necessary for adhesion for the VC to go on top of the 2000?
I have a bid of around $3000 for a strip, 4 coats of 2000 and 2 coats of VC. However at $100 bucks a gallon significant money can be save if the barrier coats are unecessary.
Thoughts????
Neal Lindeman
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Beneteau apparently sprays a water barrier into the mold when they layup the hull. I remember that Beneteau strongly cautions against abraiding the hull by sanding with too course a grit.
My paint is chipping off right down to the shiny white gelcoat so a repaint is in my future. I will go from ablative to VC-17.
I am guessing that the mold release wax was not removed when it was initially painted.
Now my question, if I have the paint chemically striped rather than blasted or sanded do I still need to put on a barrier coats of 2000 or tar? Will the VC adhere directly to the striped hull or is it necessary for adhesion for the VC to go on top of the 2000?
I have a bid of around $3000 for a strip, 4 coats of 2000 and 2 coats of VC. However at $100 bucks a gallon significant money can be save if the barrier coats are unecessary.
Thoughts????
Neal Lindeman
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Neal Lindeman
May 12, 2013, 10:53:10 PM5/12/13
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The B is a 2001 and sailed in fresh water. I would not use tar and have no idea if it is still made. If I have to put on a barrier coat it will be Interlux 2000.
My question is if the hull is chemically stripped rather than sanded (so that the factory applied barrier is not damaged) is it necessary to apply new barrier coating? The new barrier will add about $500 to the job.
Neal Lindeman
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:19:32 +0000
My question is if the hull is chemically stripped rather than sanded (so that the factory applied barrier is not damaged) is it necessary to apply new barrier coating? The new barrier will add about $500 to the job.
Neal Lindeman
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Dan Barac
May 12, 2013, 11:51:58 PM5/12/13
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IMHO, if you’re going through all that expense to get the hull stripped of old paint, it would be crazy not to apply the barrier coat…
Dan
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May 13, 2013, 5:49:50 AM5/13/13
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Neal: we have been using vc17 for years. Unless you have damage to the shield put on by B and the basis for their blister warranty, there is no need for barrier coat. Also I would use extreme care in removing the old paint. You do not want to damage the shield. This assume you have no blisters.
We find vc17 simple and painless to maintain. We have been very successful in getting multiple years from an application. Yes we touch up each Spring prior to launch. Takes less than half qt and 30 min.
Bob L
Latitudes/ Chicago/ oc321
We find vc17 simple and painless to maintain. We have been very successful in getting multiple years from an application. Yes we touch up each Spring prior to launch. Takes less than half qt and 30 min.
Bob L
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 02:53:10 +0000
Subject: RE: {Beneteau Owners} prep for bottom paint - next year
Mark J Wilme
May 13, 2013, 7:22:43 AM5/13/13
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Have you thought about using a chemical strip - Peel away etc rather than an abrasive based process
I often joke with the admiral that one can use the solvent in new bottom paint to remove old bottom paint
Mark Wilme
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davidcf...@rogers.com
May 13, 2013, 7:42:45 AM5/13/13
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I just redid my bottom last week.
I had interprotect prior and added two coats as I sanded a bit away removing the old paint VC17.
In my case I needed just over a gallon per coat for a B400. 3 gallons 315$
I was told by Interlux that a far better chemical adhesion occurs between the 2000 and the paint if you apply the bottom paint in the correct time frame.
I had interprotect prior and added two coats as I sanded a bit away removing the old paint VC17.
In my case I needed just over a gallon per coat for a B400. 3 gallons 315$
I was told by Interlux that a far better chemical adhesion occurs between the 2000 and the paint if you apply the bottom paint in the correct time frame.
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Mark J Wilme
May 13, 2013, 7:51:01 AM5/13/13
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I read sometime back in a periodical about "10 year bottom paint" though I forget the name - has anyone tried this ?
Howell Cooper
May 13, 2013, 8:20:54 AM5/13/13
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I think it
is CopperCoat. It has been available in the
US for only a few years. I thought about it about 10 years ago when I saw a boat
from Europe in the yard. The finish on that boat was
several years old then. When it came out of the water, it had no
slime or growth. At the time I checked on it, I
could get it from England at $500
per gallon. That and the finish sort of killed
that idea. Am guessing here that the price is way less than that. The finish
appeared to be a lot of copper in a
clear matrix thus it
looked like rolled copper with big
gaps. The finish was very
unfinished looking.
Cooper
Why Knot
Cooper
Why Knot
Neal Lindeman
May 13, 2013, 9:08:41 AM5/13/13
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Yes, I do intend to chemically strip down to the gel coat.
Neal Lindeman
Neal Lindeman
Neal Lindeman
May 13, 2013, 9:15:53 AM5/13/13
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Thanks Bob,
I had VC-17 on my S2 and it was great. Not been happy with the ablative on my B. Guess I will give Interlux and Beneteau a call before I hire this done.
Sounds like I might need a coat of 2000 for better adhesion for the VC17 to the gelcoat.
Neal Lindeman
I had VC-17 on my S2 and it was great. Not been happy with the ablative on my B. Guess I will give Interlux and Beneteau a call before I hire this done.
Sounds like I might need a coat of 2000 for better adhesion for the VC17 to the gelcoat.
Neal Lindeman
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 09:49:50 +0000
Lawrence Swack
May 13, 2013, 9:57:25 AM5/13/13
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$500?
My answer to that is how much do you value your hull?
Ivars
May 13, 2013, 11:41:59 AM5/13/13
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VC 17m is great for FRESH water
only...
it is a very thin film, recoating is easy, wash
with scotch brite pad to get anything sticking to the paint, rolls on like
it was sprayed, it can be launched an hour after recoating...
out first thing in the morning and baack in as soon as you are
finished
I like the idea of a barrier coat for using it as a sanding
guide to keep bubba from getting into the gelcoat with his grinder... I had
barrier coat and still got blisters, ( most likely by the "bubba
factor" )...
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Ivars
May 13, 2013, 11:49:50 AM5/13/13
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the barrier coat is sprayed directly over the gelcoat, it is
thin and easily breached... this coating has more than a single function,
in addition to barrier it is used to reduce the transfer of the layup through to
the gelcoat...
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Mark J Wilme
May 13, 2013, 11:57:54 AM5/13/13
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We are in salt water so the VC17 does not apply
If using an ablative paint what is common up here is for the first coat to be a different color - red under blue for instance. That way when the red shows up you know you have worn away to the lower coat and it is time to reapply. Same type of paint, just a different color
Jeffrey Schwartz
May 13, 2013, 2:33:05 PM5/13/13
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Yes the flake coat (first coat) under top coats color should be done.. but if the interprotect 2000 is used it must be used to build up 10 mil thickness.. this takes approx. 7-10 gals on a 40 footer to achieve that mil thickness. It does not work if not done that way…so it is not a cheap job in materials and timing of coats and final to bottom coat is very, very important. That said it is the best out there.. I use it and Micron 66 and get 3 years in Miami, FL.
Jeffrey Schwartz
mike roper
May 13, 2013, 8:05:37 PM5/13/13
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I have . it went through my shoes and foot
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Have you thought about using a chemical strip - Peel away etc rather than an abrasive based process
Paul Bulman
May 14, 2013, 9:48:42 PM5/14/13
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Hi, I put the Coppercoat on last sept ... I am in Belize and everybody but me is always scrubbing, sail away and come home clean. The lagoon here is very bad for growth as the average lagoon temp is around 90. B 411 ..#14 took 12 liters at $125 per liter shipped from Florida to Long Island, Expensive but time will tell... SY /Chkm8 ... Paul
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