2 wire networking stuph?
swordsmn
supporting?
I thought I read it is slow, uses regular telco wire in house, etc.
Why are the FA folks choosing this over supporting say a LinkSys or a
Cayman?
I have theories but I don't want to presume.
Doug/swordsmn
Hal Burgiss
wrote:
My theory is that after researching this, and who they think the target
audience is, that they think this is the way they will make the most
money. But I could be wrong. How or why they came to such a conclusion,
I haven't a clue.
I believe the 2wire gadget is comparable to the Cayman, but don't know
for sure. I haven't seen a model number.
Define 'slow'. Regular telco wire probably would handle 10Mbps on short
runs. 1.5M for sure since that is what we get on long runs now.
I will also predict this effort will be roundly trashed here, no matter
what the details turn out to be. It is a foregone conclusion. Might as
well start the hand wringing now before the fine print is known. The
reason being that the participants of this group are much more
knowledgeable and technical than the average user, and can figure out
this stuff without paying BSIS extra for it. And without knowing the
details, it is safe to say this will be targeted at non-technical users
ala the infamous and dastardly Connection Manager.
.02
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Hal Burgiss
Cheryl
The HPNA will run on the telco wire in the house but every jack has to be wired
as a RJ14, and all the wire plus all the jacks must be in great condition. The
DSL comes into the 2Wire modem/gateway on the primary pair and then the HPNA
signal goes out on the secondary pair and feeds the jacks in the house. We
think to get this to work properly we( the telco) will end up having to run new
wire and jacks to all the networked location. Can you see the $$$ signs now?
C
"Hal Burgiss" <h...@burgiss.net> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:11:22 -0500, swordsmn <swor...@bellsouth.net>
:
Hal Burgiss
> Here is the poop on 2Wire as we have been told: The HPNA will run on
> the telco wire in the house but every jack has to be wired as a RJ14,
> and all the wire plus all the jacks must be in great condition. The
> DSL comes into the 2Wire modem/gateway on the primary pair and then
> the HPNA signal goes out on the secondary pair and feeds the jacks in
> the house. We think to get this to work properly we( the telco) will
> end up having to run new wire and jacks to all the networked location.
> Can you see the $$$ signs now?
Loverly shades of green :) Not a bad idea actually. At least in theory.
The devil is in the details of course.
I still prefer the Martha Stewart approach to home networking: "No room
is complete without at least one run of Cat5 strewn cheerfully across
the floor, in a smart pastel color that contrasts neatly with the
upholestry and empty beer bottles".
--
Hal Burgiss
burris
What is different about the description you gave, and the home
phoneline network I have?
I have a pair of Linksys USB200HA boxes, each hooking up from the
PC USB, to the same RJ-11 that the DSL resides on, and anywhere
that I have a jack on that same line, I have network access. The
network uses a different frequency slot than either the voice or
DSL. Mine is rated at 10Mbs, and in 1 1/2 years, have not had a
problem. The speed tests indicate top speed from either machine.
Only downside is that the host machine must remain on if the
client wants to use the network. I even use ICS, and that seems
to work pretty well. Reason I went this way is that I can't run
wires in my apartment. At that time, I had the option of getting
either the USB or internal PCI version. Since my 4060 had an
external power supply and the Linksys boxes only draw 90ma, I
didn't foresee a problem.
burris
Cheryl
require a server to maintain the connection. However I have not personally seen
the model BS will be selling to their customers so I cannot examine it or even
take it for a test drive. Here is 2Wire' link to their products. I see some
interesting options if one were to looking for differnt networking solutions.
http://www.2wire.com/products/hpspecs.html
C
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: Cheryl....
: > :
:
toad
> "No room
> is complete without at least one run of Cat5 strewn cheerfully across
> the floor, in a smart pastel color that contrasts neatly with the
> upholestry and empty beer bottles".
>
>
the chic in cat5 it is now cool to accessorize the room with
a run or two hanging from small pastel color loops screwed
into the ceiling, good also for wrapping christmas lights around.
Michael Chu
Hub.
2Wire also has another model that adds a wireless AP. But that gets to be
too expensive.
My guess is that the 2Wire box will handle many homenetworking environments
with the least amount of equipment ie. support issues. They are already
supporting three or four different kinds of ADSL modems internal, external
and so forth. I cannot imagine that they would want to support a home
network patched together with several equipments from literally hundreds of
different vendors.
Why introduce a new product? BS is taking steps to try and support a home
network that leverages ADSL cost, since some say that the home network or
SOHO will be the next money cow for the telcos. Other than the general
unavailability of DSL, the only thing holding back millions of users is the
cost. If you have a need for two or more users to access the internet at
dsl speeds, the cost factor goes out the window.
jaquer0
using HPNA 1.0, the 1 mbps original implementation ($10 for a pair of cards
at the geeks [ www.compgeeks.com ] then they had the "10 mbps" HPNA 2 cards
for $15 and I splurged and got those. The HPNA 1.0 standard is barely
adequate for networking 2 home computers, as real efective throughput it
about 2/3rds of the rated bandwidth. "10 mbps" is a nominal name; that
actual bandwidth is somewhat more in a good setup something like 16mbps, and
32 mbps under lab conditions, although protocol overhead reduces that
significantly. The bottom line, though, is that it is good, solid reliable
technology for a typical home network.
Anandtech had some interesting articles examining it: "As we saw before, the
performance of this standard can be noticably higher than the performance of
the 11Mbps 802.11b wireless standard, and even faster than 10Mbps Ethernet
in most circumstances. HomePNA 2.0 also offers a great upgrade path as it is
backwards compatable with all HomePNA 1.0 devices and should be forward
compatable with the upcoming "100Mbps" HomePNA 3.0. But it's not really 10
Mbps."
That article, along with links to previous articles discussing wireless and
other alternatives, is here:
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1568&p=1
I've just gotten a Panasonic Concourse broadband gateway that has a HPNA 2.0
hub, as well as ethernet. It's not the world's highest rated product, but it
was being dumped for $35 or so by JR music world (the "official" list price
when it went on the market a year ago or two was like 10X that.
Unfortunately the geniuses at Panasonic incorporated some proprietary
incompatible wireless standard instead of going with the industry flow. Got
it mostly to offload the work of managing the internet connection sharing
from my PC, and so my daughter isn't complaining all the time when I reboot.
But haven't hooked it up yet.
Sounds like the boxes bellsouth will be using are similar (likely the same
underlying chipsets insofar as HPNA 2 is concerned, I THINK there's only one
manufacturer).
The BIG advantage of HPNA is ... duh ... it uses normal phone wire, and that
is much less daunting to regular people than cat5. And many homes already
have outlets throughout the house.
jaquero
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