> I feel a bit of a fraud posting anything about PCBs because the last time I
> actually built anything electronic that worked, was in the mid '50s during
> idle nights aboard ship when I made a 2-tube radio with a soldered brass
> scrap chassis (not much aluminum sheet aboard diesel freighters). What I do
> understand and hope might be useful to others is a long experience with
> heavier equipment and old-fashioned machine tools, and to a lesser degree
> industrial electrics and wiring.

> I forwarded the items about PCBs when I came across them because I realize
> their strategic significance for builders, and I'm willing to put effort
> into supporting anything that helps open innovation. It's looking to me like
> the critical choke points for now are patents and hardware.

> I love the new energy that's manifesting in the group after all the false
> starts and look forward to meeting you and your friend Freske

> Martin

> PS While I never got as far as needing to design a PCB, I have used
> breadboards a little in learning projects. But I'm fond of the idea as a
> metaphor in discussing transportation:
> gliding south under the clouds to SeaTac, downtown Seattle looks like an old
> Pentium with the case off. But computers long ago gave up single-layer
> motherboards, and it's time cities did too. I want to see the paved ground
> prioritized for motors and freight, so that walkers and bikers get to use
> the space above the streets; buyways and spokeways, if you will.

> Having to look out for traffic does not contribute to the shopping or the
> cycling experience. The feeling is mutual. And the cost would be asteroidal
> compared with freeways or rail.

> I hope this off-topic extrapolation of the hacker ethic is not too unseemly
> and grandiose...

> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Mari Mamo
> <quarksofthecharmedfla...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Martin,

>> I know of someone that has designed and built his share of circuit boards
>> over the years, some for work and some for various hobby projects. He said
>> for experimental use they were usually perf-boards (perforated), but in some
>> cases, after such prototypes were tested, the designs were sent out to be
>> manufactured. For a while he played around with a kit for etching the boards
>> himself.  But, he certainly never made use of the internet for the purpose.
>> There was no internet back then!

>> I have been reading the posts and thought of Freske. I have invited him
>> and a few others who were not aware of BHS.

>>  <Mari

>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Martin Passmore <dc24vo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>>> This showed up on my Gmail page as I was reading Jeremy's comments--they
>>> sound decent also:

>>> http://www.omnicircuitboards.com/

>>> martin

>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Jeremy Ruhland
>>> <jeremy.ruhl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> I've been using oshpark (formerly dorkbotpbx) for my last few designs,
>>>> they've had pretty decent quality and are slightly cheaper than expresspcb,
>>>> without the major downside of having to use a particular piece of software.

>>>> Circuit.io looks cool, and while their webapp seems very user friendly,
>>>> it feels underpowered (having learned eagle). I haven't seen anything
>>>> related to their pricing, or if they're using a different service for that,
>>>> we'll have to see when they get up and running.

>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Martin Passmore <dc24vo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> I like the sound of these guys.

>>>>> It did remind me of an ad I saw recently in a magazine

>>>>> http://www.elektor.com/

>>>>> which led me to this, perhaps now fading discussion

>>>>> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_electronics_discussion/18997-ha...

>>>>> about

>>>>> http://www.expresspcb.com/

>>>>> with varying comments on the service; most people liked it. (3 boards
>>>>> for $51) One other thing that did come up in a search is that their free but
>>>>> proprietary CAD program can't be used by other manufacturers. It's for
>>>>> Windows but runs on Wine, they regard it fairly well.

>>>>> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1811

>>>>> martin

>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Charles Coslor
>>>>> <charliec.sigil...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Just read about this. I am sure if there was a will, there'd be a way,
>>>>>> and we could make our own PCBs, but it is worth taking note of this.

>>>>>> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-10/16/build-circuit-boards-o...

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