RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces: Anti-government groups on the rise
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Anti-government groups on the rise
Jim
National Post
OTTAWA - The RCMP is worried about the rise of "several extreme
anti-government groups" in Western Canada -- inspired by U.S. radicals such
as the Freemen -- that dispute the state's authority to levy taxes and
license drivers.
An RCMP intelligence brief warns that "increasing militancy" by groups that
oppose taxes and other government measures has led to a pattern of criminal
harassment of police officers, judges and bureaucrats.
The Mounties note similar activities by U.S. extremists have sometimes
escalated to serious violence, including the murder of police.
In the federal budget on Monday, the government announced proposals that
would allow tax collectors and auditors who feel they are being harassed by
reluctant taxpayers to report the names of tormentors to police.
The RCMP says radical anti-government activity in the western provinces
appears to be influenced by the U.S. Sovereign Citizen movement,
individuals who deny the legal authority of government.
Sovereign Citizens, also known as Freemen, or the Common Law Court
movement, are "essentially right-wing anarchists," says the intelligence
brief.
These individuals claim that, by declaring themselves sovereign citizens,
they become subject only to common law, not to federal, provincial or state
legislation, courts or taxes. Members point to the Magna Carta and old case
law, which they insist prove no government can impose legislation on a
person without the individual's consent.
In 1996, the Montana Freemen threatened to arrest local prosecutors and
judges, leading to an 81-day standoff with the FBI at Jordan, Mont.
The movement's ideas were initially popularized by the now-defunct Posse
Comitatus, formed in Oregon in 1969, which claimed that all government
above the county level was illegitimate.
"There are several extreme anti-government groups active in Western Canada
promoting Sovereign Citizen activities based on those of the Freemen and
the Posse Comitatus," the RCMP brief says.
"Individuals involved in this movement will generally refuse to pay income
tax or the GST and will also often refuse to license or insure their motor
vehicles or to possess a valid driver's license."
Members try to "obstruct any investigation of these actions" by the Canada
Customs and Revenue Agency or the police.
The brief, prepared in early January, was released under the Access to
Information Act, although portions of the secret document were deleted.
When members of the Sovereign Citizen movement attend court to face charges
they usually bring a number of supporters, refuse to recognize the court's
jurisdiction and may try to place police and court officers under citizen's
arrest.
In one recent incident, a supporter assaulted a police officer.
Federal officials say some angry taxpayers have posted the names of
auditors and collectors on Web sites or even stalked the bureaucrats near
their homes. The name and picture of one auditor were displayed on a
billboard.
notritenoteri
murder or something similar can't put on ice. How's you butt-hole Fwanky
could you take a year of playing bitch at a local club Fed?
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"notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
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> Fwanky, real heavy stuff but nothing that a good solid charge of attempted
> murder or something similar can't put on ice. How's you butt-hole Fwanky
> could you take a year of playing bitch at a local club Fed?
Well since you been there there and have a lot of experenice about this kind
of crap, (no pun intended),
You would be an expert on bending over, as the RCMP snitch.
As for myself, I hardly doubt I will be going anywhere soon, but do keep
dreaming about it and have another drink, as it
does indeed keep you very stupid..as the town pump..
notritenoteri
you'll have your head out of your ass?
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> fwanky, into fortune telling and predictions now eh? can you predict when
> you'll have your head out of your ass?
Your just like a yappy little dog, Alice, who believes the RCMP propaganda
and disinformation, as told to the media, too fucking funny.
David Deilley
wrote
> OTTAWA - The RCMP is worried about the rise of "several extreme
> anti-government groups" in Western Canada -- inspired by U.S. radicals such
> as the Freemen -- that dispute the state's authority to levy taxes and
> license drivers.
I'm sure they have made note of Hansel's "I have guns and can make
bombs" comments in these newsgroups.
I wonder if hansel knows what the real criminals do to nutcases in
prison. (Hint: it ain't pretty.)
catchmerevisited
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN wrote on 9/11/04 3:38 PM:
the alleged 'police assault' likely occurred when the officer in question
"resisted arrest".
At least, that is the standard claim that police officers issue when THEY
"subdue" an unco-operative suspect (interesting how, when the shoe is on hte
other foot it becomes "assault")
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
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Well, I'm sure Davidism, you have lots of experience in a mental ward
prison.
What nutcases in there have done to you. (Hint: it ain't pretty.)
But then you support government criminals and police thugs who
will do anything to make money, including supporting druglords, payoff's
and abusing kids...
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Davidism and stupidity, something he proud of.
But this;
"RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces:
Anti-government groups on the rise" by Jim Bronskill
It's a big scary headline, and it might even help boost some police
department budgets - but is it true? No, it isn't.
It is true that there is a growing tax revolt, and it is true that people
are fed up with the style of intrusive government that brands all dissenters
as "right wing anarchists" or some other silly description. It is definitely
true that people (especially men and fathers) have had a bellyful of
government intrusions into their families.
But then people like Davidism and his stupidity will do anything to keep
fathers and their children beaten down, after all, he has stated so many
times in NG he knows nothing about fatherhood or the issues, and is not
interested in it,
Davidism idea of a perfect world is bootlicking and blowing the police thugs
and government terrorists, using his ignorance and malice that keeps him
lock up in the mental ward and brainless.
However when people like davidism start linking ordinary people with
extremist groups and extremist ideas, is a tactic that belongs to police
states and dictatorships.... - Where it is a dereliction of duty for the
RCMP to be making such rash statements, and stupidity when drooling idiots
like davidism and his socialist freaks cause great harm to his own country.
After all anything to keep other from speaking out about their corruption
and greed.
Perhaps if Canadian governments actually did govern with the consent of the
governed, we wouldn't have this type of nonsense being spread by government
officials and the RCMP.
Perhaps some of the people who are opting out of the tax system do have some
odd ideas, but that is true in any group of people - including the RCMP,
parliament and (apparently) the National Post, and all those socilaist
freaks like Davidism. Go figure.
You can mark me down as one of those who believes that the government has no
legitimate authority to tax people, and anyone else who refuses to fund
government is a hero - not an anarchist or extremist.
notritenoteri
how can you make predictions when you can't even answer my simple question?
Obviously by your response the event (taking your head out of your ass)
hasn't yet occurred. You are still ranting and rambling like someone
suffering from severe anoxia.
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notritenoteri
frilly frocks and have PMS etc etc. Fwanky would be in paradise, just
"bummin" around all day.
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notritenoteri
extremist groups and extremist ideas, is a tactic that belongs to police
the revolting little turd from BC who can't put a coherent sentence together
3 times out of 5. Go back to pretending you are a big infleunce in fathers
fore-skins. As long as you're as you keep playing with your imaginary
friends celebrating your imaginary infleunce your just another fart in the
hurricane, not even noticed.
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
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>
> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:f8N0d.3748$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
>> Fwanky, real heavy stuff but nothing that a good solid charge of
>> attempted
>> murder or something similar can't put on ice. How's you butt-hole Fwanky
>> could you take a year of playing bitch at a local club Fed?
>
> Well since you been there there and have a lot of experenice about this
> kind
> of crap, (no pun intended),
> You would be an expert on bending over, as the RCMP snitch.
>
> As for myself, I hardly doubt I will be going anywhere soon, but do keep
> dreaming about it and have another drink, as it
> does indeed keep you very stupid..as the town pump..
Actually, he's the town laughingstock.
The kids throw rocks at the cardboard box he lives in and they make fun
of his botched brain-surgery. Not-too-bright is a freak.
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> Fwanky,
> how can you make predictions when you can't even answer my simple
question?
> Obviously by your response the event (taking your head out of your ass)
> hasn't yet occurred. You are still ranting and rambling like someone
> suffering from severe anoxia.
Still the yappy socilaist Dog, when you really have something to say about
RCMPcriminals,
get back to me Alice...otherwise your drinking problem
has caused some serious brain damage in that small mind of yours
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> "However when people like davidism start linking ordinary people with
> extremist groups and extremist ideas, is a tactic that belongs to police
> states and dictatorships...." Is a really funny statement coming from
you,
> the revolting little turd from BC who can't put a coherent sentence
together
> 3 times out of 5. Go back to pretending you are a big infleunce in fathers
> fore-skins. As long as you're as you keep playing with your imaginary
> friends celebrating your imaginary infleunce your just another fart in the
> hurricane, not even noticed.
Still supporting thugs and criminals in the RCMP, Alice.
notritenoteri
hematoma?
I suspect you are just jealous you can't afford a decent glass of whisky now
and then. HAve your payed your quarterly tax installment or are you
waitning for your quarterly GST refund? MOre likely the latter. Youreally
are pathetic.
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notritenoteri
Do you really have the goods onthe RCMP or are you just makingup bullshit
again? Don't you claim to be a lawyer?
Hows fathers fore-skins doing? you been moheled over yet?
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notritenoteri
only revolution you'll ever be involved in is the one in your head.
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
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> Fwankly Fwanky,
> Do you really have the goods onthe RCMP or are you just makingup bullshit
> again?
It posted on the website, you to stupid and drunk to go look.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> Fwankly my cat can do better than you still trying to get attention eh?
The
> only revolution you'll ever be involved in is the one in your head.
Have another drink, you drunken moron.
dave
Well, if the FEDERAL Liberals decide to act, them maybe the
Liberals should pass a bill or label these right wing
loonies and red-necks as terrorists, since these people
act much like those Russian Chechens that acted in that
elementary school BESLAN not so long ago.
I certainly would not shed any tears for these people.
Give the RCMP the mandate to act and pick them all up then. If
these people don't like it here, then off to prison they go, or
ship them out of the country.
If they were in Saudia Arabia, there wouldn't be any conversation
about this, it would be an just another order from the King,
with a simple, "Off with their heads..."
If they want a civil war, they'll get one, and Canada will
win, and be on top.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
and let justice issues to be done by the people.
but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
are killing those children.
Did you shed any tears for those children, you fucking goofy shit.
you been brainwashed....by socilaist propaganda....
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
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dave
> Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
> and let justice issues to be done by the people.
Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
act for the general safety and welfare of
*all* people living in all parts of Canada.
> but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
> are killing those children.
I beg to differ,
THE RCMP do not support drug lords;
It is Right Wing Politicians,their aids and their
red-necks like you who do. Where do you think you
get your guns from?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040910.wrcmp11/BNStory/National/
http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_warrants20040911
http://vancouver.cbc.ca/van_news/legdocs/040910_tab5.html
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/08/28/bc_aide040828.html
and let us not forget the worse abuser of drugs in BC...
http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?r=2117274648&filename=bc_campnell20030110
and I quote:
> "For as long as he's been Liberal leader, Campbell has had a
> clear policy that any minister under investigation has to step
> aside for the duration.
>
> But that's always been in the context of political
> misdemeanours – not a case like this. "
I think if the RCMP issues a report stating this, the
simple fact of the matter is the problem is probably worse
than they are letting on.
But you still don't get it or realize it even then;
The RCMP is only your best and only friend, and here's
why;
Paul Martin could always invoke the WAR MEASURES Act at any time
after you stage an incident like that in Russia.
So, by all means, try something, anything, and watch the
majority of support from the Canadian public turn around
not only lead a path to your front door for arrest, but
you'll be praying for the RCMP to beat them to the rush.
You see, even you can see that it will *not* be the RCMP who are
here to harm you;
It will be the RCMP there to prevent the general public
from acting passionately and finally *ending your miserable
existance on this planet altogether* of you and all your
so called *friends*.
> you been brainwashed....by socilaist propaganda....
Well then, this is one of many socialists living in Canada
that can and will kick your ass, and those of your red-neck
buddies, any time, any day, and no one will shed one
bloody tear for you and your ilk.
So, by all means you idiot, bring it on.
I'm in Mississauga, Ontario. Please, please
look me up...
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Frank Rivers....... wrote:
> Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
> and let justice issues to be done by the people.
Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
act for the general safety and welfare of
*all* people living in all parts of Canada.
That may be so for now, but when it comes to communitys who start electing
their own sheffifs and sheffifs department to look at after their policing
needs, there is nothing the RCMP or other police can do to arrest people in
those communites, unless they the RCMP and other police forces wish to be
arrestecx themselves.
It would be up to the local sheffif's department, to deal with the issues
and if it warrents any arrests.
> but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
> are killing those children.
>I beg to differ,
>THE RCMP do not support drug lords;
Here the proof you liar, and don't you feel really stupid now.
http://www.fathers.ca/police_(rcmp).htm
Below will give you a grand scale of the corruption, and theft of tax payers
money to use for their own agenda's, and scandals. They are the terrorist
and they are the criminals.
And believe this, they the RCMP sure as hell drop the ball on this one
aright.
Here is a prime example of corruption at the highest levels. These Video's
show how things are bad in Canada, when you can't even trust the police,
when they are just thugs.
Video Passport scandal and the RCMP 1
Video Passport scandal and the RCMP 2
Video Passport scandal and the RCMP 3
a.. Case summary of RCMP External Review Committee's decision on Corporal
Robert Read
b.. PDF- U.S. Library of Congress report on Asian organized crime and
terrorist activity in Canada (.pdf)
Lineups at the Canadian High Commission in Hong Kong, Lee Chau Ping,
druglord, a.k.a. the Ice Queen, Brian McAdam, Garry Clement, Happy Valley
race track, where Triad members allegedly took staff from the Canadian High
Commission,
W-FIVE's source who explained the link between organized crime and the
Canadian mission
Corruption and cover up
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1080323626556_1/?hub=WFive
CTV.ca News Staff
In the 1990s, before Hong Kong was reverted from British to Chinese
control, millions of residents were looking to relocate on the chance that
things went bad after the handover. Canada, with its huge expat communities
in Vancouver and Toronto, quickly became a desirable destination.
Day after day, people lined up at the Canadian High Commission in Hong
Kong, waiting to apply for visas. Many of those seeking landed immigrant
status were people looking to come to Canada for the right reasons, but
according to former Royal Hong Kong Police Chief Detective Inspector Sandy
Boucher, Canada was also gaining a reputation in organized crime circles as
a haven for those mixed up in shady dealings.
“We knew that many of our organized crime figures -- people with
records, people without records but serious criminals – were looking to move
to Canada,” says Boucher.
But while Canadian authorities are supposed to keep those kinds of
people out, in Hong Kong, something appeared to be going very wrong. “Some
applied (for visas) and were turned back, some applied and got in,” says
Boucher. “It was no secret.”
One such immigrant was Lee Chau Ping, a notorious drug trafficker who
is known as the Ice Queen. In 1992, after police raided her labs and one of
her safe houses, the Ice Queen got on a plane headed for Canada. Not
thinking that the Canadian government would let her stay, Boucher assumed
the Ice Queen had headed oversees to wait for the heat on her gang to die
down a little. So he was shocked when an RCMP officer told him she had been
granted landed immigrant status.
“I said, ‘It can’t be – she’s got a criminal record. I know she’s
known to Canadian authorities.’”
But apparently, Lee Chau Ping – who posed as a businesswoman ready to
invest $170,000 in a Chicken Delight franchise in a tiny town in northern
Saskatchewan – had slipped under the radar. And Brian McAdam, the
immigration control officer at the High Commission in Hong Kong, soon
learned that other criminals had too.
“I discovered that these Triad people (members of secret Chinese
organized crime fraternities that have ties to members of the Hong Kong
business community) were regulars at getting visas to visit their families
or go on holidays as the case may be, and yet clearly on the file was
intelligence information identifying who they were.”
McAdam was puzzled as to how known criminals were able to get into
Canada, but a little bit of digging turned up connections between the Triad
members and officials working inside the Canadian embassy. In fact,
according to McAdam, High Commission staff was on the receiving end of
expensive gifts, cocktail parties, yacht trips and visits to the casinos in
Macau.
According to Garry Clement, who worked at the time as an RCMP officer
stationed at the High Commission, the freebies even included cash for
betting on the horses at Hong Kong’s Happy Valley racetrack. But he was
suspicious that those perks would come with a price.
“At what point do you draw the line? And you’ve got to ask yourself
who are the people that are giving, and what do you owe in return? It was a
Chinese gentleman that I had met … (who) told me very early on nobody in
Chinese culture does anything for nothing. And I never forgot that. And I
think that’s where you have to look at – why was the Canadian mission being
targeted? Why was the Canadian mission being invited out to all these
events?”
McAdam and Clement set out for the answers. Immediately, they found
obvious signs of corruption: complaints from a Chinese couple that someone
at the embassy had offered to expedite their visa application in exchange
for $10,000; fake immigration stamps and a fake visa receipt. In one
incident, McAdam actually saw the criminal records of Triad members
literally drop off their files after he pulled them up on the computer.
W-FIVE found a man who knows firsthand of the links between Hong Kong’
s organized crime circles and the Canadian High Commission. He agreed to be
interviewed, but, fearing for his life, only under the condition that his
identity be protected.
The man told W-FIVE that the corruption at the High Commission was a
“fairly open secret” among Hong Kong’s middle class. He said Triad members,
including “famous businessmen, solicitors, legislators (and) accountants”
used to invite embassy staff to the races and lavish parties.
“Some money change hands, some handshake and problem solved,” he said.
“They give you a Rolex, fancy car, then when you get hooked, they ask you to
do a favour.”
The source told W-FIVE he was never aware of the exact price for a
Canadian visa, but he estimated the entry cost for a Triad member’s family
would be in the neighbourhood of $500,000 HK. And he said the corruption was
far and wide within the embassy. “Without help from insiders it won’t
work. … It takes more than one person in the High Commission to get the job
done, not just one single person – there must be big, big scandal behind it
all.”
In 1992, the Department of Foreign Affairs sent over a computer expert
from Ottawa to probe the lapses. The top-secret report prepared by that
expert, David Balser, confirmed the existence of some alarming security
breaches at the mission, including the fact that unauthorized staff had
access to the computer system where visas could be approved with a check
mark and criminal records could be scrubbed clean.
But though the report revealed some major problems, it went virtually
unnoticed. In 1995, Liberal MP David Kilgour wrote a letter to then-prime
minister Jean Chretien warning of the “highly irresponsible and/or illegal p
ractices” at the High Commission and asking for a full public inquiry. It
was never acknowledged.
Then, in 1996, RCMP Corporal Robert Read was assigned to review the
Hong Kong file. And while he too thought there were clear problems that
needed to be investigated, he says he was urged by his superiors to turn a
blind eye.
“This is water under the bridge, why go over this again,” Read says he
was told. After he encountered more and more roadblocks thrown up by his
bosses and government bureaucrats, he says he “arrived at the opinion that
the progress I was making was not that pleasing to my superiors.”
And Read wasn’t the only member of the RCMP to be shut down by the
force. In 1993, Staff Sergeant Jim Puchniak requested permission to go to
Hong Kong to conduct a full investigation, but he was told by the RCMP
liason officer at the mission, Inspector Gary Lagamodiere, that doing so
would upset the High Commissioner.
“Why would anybody who is the head of a mission fear the RCMP coming
in to conduct an investigation if everything is above board?” he recalls
wondering. “My instinct then, and still is, if there was nothing to hide,
you would welcome a police investigation, so obviously there was something
going on.”
But unlike Puchniak, Read wasn’t willing to accept the roadblocks he
encountered. In 1999, he made an unthinkable move for a police officer,
breaking his oath of secrecy and going public about the scandal. The RCMP
reacted quickly, firing the 24-year veteran after finding him guilty of
professional misconduct.
But Read appealed his dismissal, and in 2003, the RCMP’s External
Review Committee issued a scathing indictment over the handling of the Hong
Kong affair. In its decision the committee wrote the “the RCMP was walking
on eggshells whenever it conducted an investigation into activities at a
Canadian mission abroad and basically restricted to what the Department of
Foreign Affairs was willing to allow it to investigate.
“What is at issue was a deliberate choice made by the RCMP not to
pursue an investigation into possible wrongdoing even though the numerous
examples had been drawn to its attention of incidents that suggested an
immigration fraud ring was operating within the very premises of the mission
and possibly involved employees of the Government of Canada.”
Scott Newark, the former head of the Canadian Police Association, said
the decision makes clear the proper relationship between police and
government agencies.
“For me, the larger issue here, the thing that is most problematic is
not even all of the clear wrong-doing going on in Hong Kong and the
after-effects of that. It’s the fact that the institution and the people
involved who we give guns and badges to and swear public oaths and that have
the obligation to investigate and enforce the law decided that their duty
was not to do that.”
While the report clearly vindicated Read, the RCMP has refused to
reinstate him – a decision he is fighting in Federal Court. But because he
never got the investigation he wanted into the Canadian High Commission in
Hong Kong, questions about the depth of the corruption and political
interference there will probably never be answered. Both John Higgenbotham,
the Canadian High Commissioner in Hong Kong from 1989 to 1994, and RCMP
Superintendent Giuliano Zaccardelli – people who may be able to lend some
perspective to the unanswered questions -- refused to be interviewed by
W-FIVE.
But regardless of who was responsible, for retired RCMP superintendent
Garry Clement, it all comes down to one thing.
“Did we drop the ball? I have to take as much credit – I was a senior
officer in the RCMP. … I don’t think we should try to defend it. The bottom
line is, we dropped the ball in this investigation.”
notritenoteri
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
dave
>> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>
>> Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
>> in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
>> by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
>> act for the general safety and welfare of
>> *all* people living in all parts of Canada.
>
> That may be so for now, but when it comes to communitys who start electing
> their own sheffifs and sheffifs department to look at after their policing
> needs, there is nothing the RCMP or other police can do to arrest people in
> those communites, unless they the RCMP and other police forces wish to be
> arrestecx themselves.
>
> It would be up to the local sheffif's department, to deal with the issues
> and if it warrents any arrests.
Uhm, Bullshit; The RCMP can go into any community,
with a valid warrant, to arrest people. Canada is
*not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
Obviously, your not a Canadian, or you would have
known that, Franky.
SO, are you Russian or from the USA?
>but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
>are killing those children.
>
>
>>I beg to differ,
>>THE RCMP do not support drug lords;
>
>
> Here the proof you liar, and don't you feel really stupid now.
Actually, your the stupid one, since your
so-called *facts* proves otherwise.
The RCMP do not support the drug lords, but it
was actually the Conservatives who did.
Hell, your quote was on the CTV yesterday,
but you obviously didn't watch or read it all.
The High Commissioner at Hong Kong at the time
was appointed by of all people, *Brian Mulroney*
and the *Conservative government*, you loser.
[ Did you even bother to read the reply I gave you before?
Look it over again, cause here it is ]
>>It is Right Wing Politicians,their aids and their
>>red-necks like you who do. Where do you think you
>>get your guns from?
> W-FIVE's source who explained the link between organized crime and the
> Canadian mission
>
> Corruption and cover up
>
> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1080323626556_1/?hub=WFive
>
> CTV.ca News Staff
[snipped for length, down to heart of matter ]
Now, let's read this finding and paragraph again...
> But Read appealed his dismissal, and in 2003, the RCMP’s External
> Review Committee issued a scathing indictment over the handling of the Hong
> Kong affair. In its decision the committee wrote the “the RCMP was walking
> on eggshells whenever it conducted an investigation into activities at a
> Canadian mission abroad and basically restricted to what the Department of
> Foreign Affairs was willing to allow it to investigate.
So, it was the Department of Foreign Affairs who did interfered
with the RCMP,and preventing them from doing the right thing.
The orders came from above, from the very auspices of the
Progressive Conservative Government, and
Brian Mulroney, your long gone criminal hero and so
called saviour.
They were the ones who interfered with the RCMP investigation,
and further sabotaged the careers of a few officers along with
the world wide reputation and good name of Canada and of the
RCMP.
DFA were the ones that prevented the communications and necessary
investigation that the RCMP wanted to do, not the
other way around.
And that, unfortunately, is all that you have managed
to prove here, Franky.
And for what?
Because Brian Mulroney and the Conservatives appointed
someone to the Hong Kong High Commission of Foreign Affairs
in Hong Kong, a guy like you, to permit gun and drug
runners into this country using a 125 year old
piece of legislation passed during the days of
Sir John A. MacDonald. ( 1867-1899 ).
Good bye, and good luck you red-neck, because your
seed will never spread...
...at least my family tree forks.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> you are just a joke potty mouth.
Nototbright, your drinking problem sure make you drool alot.
Maybe you should go to AA
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>
>> Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
>> in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
>> by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
>> act for the general safety and welfare of
>> *all* people living in all parts of Canada.
>
> That may be so for now, but when it comes to communitys who start electing
> their own sheffifs and sheffifs department to look at after their policing
> needs, there is nothing the RCMP or other police can do to arrest people
in
> those communites, unless they the RCMP and other police forces wish to be
> arrestecx themselves.
>
> It would be up to the local sheffif's department, to deal with the issues
> and if it warrents any arrests.
>Uhm, Bullshit; The RCMP can go into any community,
>with a valid warrant, to arrest people.
Are you strting to stop a war with different police forces, or are you
hoping for a shootout of some kind.
>Canada is
>*not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
>Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
you are mistaken, as a matter of fact I spoke to a MLA that gave myself a
call to speak on the issue of communites
setting up a Sheiff's department, what you fear is loosing some power over
the people like the MLA was worried about.
>Obviously, your not a Canadian, or you would have
>known that, Franky.
Maybe you need to stop being one of those idiots who doesn't have a clue
about issues on common law their fellow.
>SO, are you Russian or from the USA?
Why that's might Liberal socilaist of you to ask, with your political
correct, horseshit.
>but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
>are killing those children.
>
>
>>I beg to differ,
>>THE RCMP do not support drug lords;
>
>
> Here the proof you liar, and don't you feel really stupid now.
Actually, your the stupid one, since your
so-called *facts* proves otherwise.
>The RCMP do not support the drug lords, but it
>was actually the Conservatives who did.
Try again you idiot, and do try to keep up, it was the RCMP and the high
commission that supported Druglords..
Did you even bother to watch the video's there, of two RCMP officers who
only tried to do their job and were fired because the corruption was so far
up the chain of command, that it would have shut down the RCMP for good, as
the public would have lost faith in a corrupt child abusing police
force...You not fooling anyone but you should be ashamed of yourself for
protecting such scum..
>Hell, your quote was on the CTV yesterday,
>but you obviously didn't watch or read it all.
Nice try, but everyone know knows corrupt the force is and these political
potato heads in the Liberal government still remain silent on the issue as
to not embarrass themselves, like you have.
--
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." -Samuel Adams
dave
> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:EF41d.195897$X12.20481@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>>>"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
>>
>>news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
>>Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>>
>>That may be so for now, but when it comes to communitys who start electing
>>their own sheffifs and sheffifs department to look at after their policing
>>needs, there is nothing the RCMP or other police can do to arrest people in
>>those communites, unless they the RCMP and other police forces wish to be
>>arrestecx themselves.
>>
>> It would be up to the local sheffif's department, to deal with the issues
>>and if it warrents any arrests.
>
>
>>>Uhm, Bullshit; The RCMP can go into any community,
>>>with a valid warrant, to arrest people.
>
>
> Are you strting to stop a war with different police forces, or are you
> hoping for a shootout of some kind.
>>Canada is *not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
>>Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
>
>
> you are mistaken, as a matter of fact I spoke to a MLA that gave myself a
> call to speak on the issue of communites
> setting up a Sheiff's department, what you fear is loosing some power over
> the people like the MLA was worried about.
WTF are you talking about, idiot?
The RCMP are the National, Provincial, and
Municipal security representive of the Government.
As long as they operate anywhere inside the
Canadian border, the RCMP may arrest a person as
long as they have cause and a valid warrant
for his/her/its arrest.
Period.
You now stand corrected.
BUT I AM afraid to inform you that your
BC Liberal MLA is very much mistaken;
Give me his fuckin' name, so I can tell him to
review what is obviously publically available
to all, especially you, dumbass.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/about/index_e.htm
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/html/organi_e.htm
THE RCMP mandate has been around since the mid
1800's, and has only had their mandate been
re-written once, and in doing so started the
creation of the Canadian Security and Intelligence
Service, otherwise known as CSIS.
If you took any classes in HighSchool, or any
arts classes in University or College, you
would know that, but since your an American, just
let it go...
You must be some kind of fucked up criminal on a bail
jump, or you would have taken a second to
read up on them a wee bit on the government web pages,
sheech..
There's a big fucking difference between Federal
and Provincial laws and ACTS, dumb ass. Obviously
you and your BC MLA don't know the difference yet,
after more than 3 years in power...shit...you people
really suck...
>>Obviously, your not a Canadian, or you would have
>>known that, Franky.
>
>
> Maybe you need to stop being one of those idiots who doesn't have a clue
> about issues on common law their fellow.
Sorry my good American fuck up, wrong way around.
It's actually not my fault for *PROVING YOU WRONG*.
Truth hurts, doesn't shithead?
>>SO, are you Russian or from the USA?
>
>
> Why that's might Liberal socilaist of you to ask, with your political
> correct, horseshit.
Not a Socialist, a small C Conservative. However, the
role of Conservatism in Canada has switched, with the
Liberals actually acting as Conservatives, and the
Conservatives acting as right-wing red-necks, like
you.
You have refused to state your country of
origin, which basically means I'm correct
in guessing your American.
How typical.
>>The RCMP do not support the drug lords, but it
>>was actually the Conservatives who did.
>
>
> Try again you idiot, and do try to keep up, it was the RCMP and the high
> commission that supported Druglords..
The Article, which I noticed you deleted in your reply, proved
the RCMP case in which the High Commission, under the
auspices of the Conservative government and the
Dept. of Foreign Affairs during the Mulroney regime.
Mulroney and his Conservative Cabinet let the criminals,
drug traffikers, and triads to come into and flourish in Canada,
and most importantly, interfered with all RCMP investigations
of Hong Kong immigrants moving into or landing in
Canada.
Your evidence, which you failed to read, stated as
much.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1080323626556_1/?hub=WFive
"...John Higgenbotham, the Canadian High Commissioner in Hong
Kong from 1989 to 1994..."
Conservatives were in power from 1984, to 1992. So
dumb ass, who was in Power in 1989, and could
assign the position of High Commissioner to Hong Kong?
[ANS: B. Mulroney, from the Conservative Party no less ]
I'm sorry, but you stand corrected, a second time, FRANKY.
> Did you even bother to watch the video's there, of two RCMP officers who
> only tried to do their job and were fired because the corruption was so far
> up the chain of command, that it would have shut down the RCMP for good, as
> the public would have lost faith in a corrupt child abusing police
> force...You not fooling anyone but you should be ashamed of yourself for
> protecting such scum..
The RCMP officers were not fired due to corruption, but
at the behest of the Consevative controlled Dept of
Foreign Affairs. I noticed that the dept of FA during
2003 investigation did not interfere and permitted
the RCMP to actually act, and they eventually found
and revealed the problem.
Please note, this finding occurred only under this
current so called "Liberal and Socialist" government,
which permitted to RCMP to perform a comprehensive
review, and not under the Conservatives in which
those officers got fired.
As for Child abusing police force, the only reported
incident that I ever read about occurs in all places
the USA, which makes my think your some kind of red-neck,
either from the Good old Confederate Southern States, or
from Utah.
Your the one FRANK who should be ashamed, lacking
the simple reading skills to actually *READ* the
evidence you put forth on this forum.
Your the one who brought it up that the RCMP is
corrupt, and stated that the a "free people"
were being wage war upon.
Too bad your merely spreading shit, and not even
bothering to lying effectively to prove your
point.
Some times people make mistakes, and then sometimes
people do get corrupt, but in your case, you suffer
from 100% dellusions of stupidity and
rightousness.
>>Hell, your quote was on the CTV yesterday,
>>but you obviously didn't watch or read it all.
>
>
> Nice try, but everyone know knows corrupt the force is and these political
> potato heads in the Liberal government still remain silent on the issue as
> to not embarrass themselves, like you have.
Remained silent? How can a Federal Liberal talk
about what occurred during the PC/Conservative/MULRONEY
era, you dumb shit?
With the exception of Joe Clark, there are no longer any more
Conservatives that are actually in politics today
from that time to find who to blame for this mess,
or to convict.
Tell you what; Why don't you arrest your pal
Brian Mulroney, and bring him to justice, so that
all of Canada can find out just how far the
corruption of the PROGRESSIVE Conservative
government actually extends into organzied crime,
hmmm?
Or are you so afraid of the truth?
Truth hurts, don't it idiot?
Take your small dick Frank, and go find a
nice, fat, plump, insect to fuck, since you
can't do anything else, you brain farting,
gun-toting, shit eating newsgroup troll...
PLONK.
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
Except that as prison hierarchy goes, "cop killers" are at the top, and
child abusers (like government politicians and judges) are at the bottom.
Mark would be considered a hero.
David Deilley
> Fwankly my cat can do better than you still trying to get attention eh? The
> only revolution you'll ever be involved in is the one in your head.
You mean like in The Exorcist whin the little girl's head started revolving.
dangdangdoodle
> RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces:
> Anti-government groups on the rise
> Jim
>
Well, give em all computers and get em on can.politics.
If there are any of them extreme wackos that haven't smartened up when
they see they might turn out like Terry Pearson,
then I'll personally give em online therapy.
Or, we could make the religious neo-con leaders unfuck there heads down.
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Frank Rivers....... wrote:
> You now stand corrected.
Well Billy Bob Dave, like I've been saying for years, you useful idiot,
socilaist types take the cake, in believing your RCMP only have the power in
your police state... "Got news for you buddy", they don't and never will
have."
You just come on out and help elect your new community sheriff, you hear
boy..
Besides what the hell are you clowns going to do, if BC ever seperates from
Canada and the RCMP get their asses booted out of BC and theyt are not
wanted anymore.
Answer, you be lining up to vote for your local sheriff, who arrest the
whole pack of you gutless corrupt criminals.
> BUT I AM afraid to inform you that your
> BC Liberal MLA is very much mistaken;
Not so, The one question that was asked to myself, by the MLA, is it legal,
which I reply, "your dam right it is", you can not go against the gain of
the people and the common law or what they want.
You can try and even arrest the whole community, but you can be sure as
hell, it will be a good way to get your faces kick right out of the
community, or arrested by your local sheriff.
You can not force your bigoted stupidity, on the people if they are not
interested or want it.
You seem to forget it is the people who elect those in power, and it easy to
boot there asses out also.
Next your going ot tell me that the RCMP are not child abusers, when indeed
they protected one of there own child molesters.
and refused to criminally charge one of there own, even after 12 years after
invesigation the freak..
>
> Give me his fuckin' name, so I can tell him to
> review what is obviously publically available
> to all, especially you, dumbass.
Why don't you just write to your local MLA and express yourself on how you
disapprove of sheriffs departments.
I'm putting a local sheriff department in the community, and if you don't
like it, to bad, don't use are service, just
because you might be put out of work, it called democracy on the free
market.
As the public can hire whatever services they want, and boot the R.O.M.P.
asses out of their community, boy..
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
"catchmerevisited" <catchmerev...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:BD6933A7.10B65%catchmerev...@yahoo.ca...
> in article r7L0d.96285$S55.22671@clgrps12, Frank Rivers....... at Frank
> Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN wrote on 9/11/04 3:38 PM:
>
> > RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces:
> > Anti-government groups on the rise
> > Jim
> >
> "resisted arrest".
> At least, that is the standard claim that police officers issue when THEY
> "subdue" an unco-operative suspect (interesting how, when the shoe is on
hte
> other foot it becomes "assault")
Most cops really have absolutely no clue what law or 'keeping the peace'
means these days - most of their thinking involves the complex task of
writing out fines for government thieves. They think law has to be written
down on special paper and passed over with the Holy Mace - yet they ignore
the Magna Carta, which was given the Royal seal not once, but FOUR times.
It's just a power game to them, and their Roman club "law" is just a
convenient excuse for their abuse and 'thuggery'.
You'll notice our criminal code acknowledges the inherent RIGHT of self
defence to "every one". And anyone familiar with common law knows that
arrest and prosecution by individuals was the norm many centuries ago, and
is still acknowledged in much of our current caselaw as an inherent right.
Our government is not only forever bound to live by (and under) the common
law, because of Royal proclamation (X4), they also willingly and knowingly
consented to 'Rule of Law' in the pre-amble of the Canada Act that Queen
Elizabeth signed, in accordance with her duties [via Coronation Act and the
Constitution itself] to uphold the rights forever enshrined in the Magna
Carta, and take no action to 'permit any to abrogate it'.
The government and police have no way around the fact that if they disregard
the common law, we have a Royal commission to defend it, and assail those
who break it. Ask a cop where he gets his authority, and he will say
"Crown"... So he convicts himself by his own word.
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
Could you be any farther off the mark with your comments? Too funny!
> I certainly would not shed any tears for these people.
That's for sure... I don't care what country or government a group claims to
represent.... you don't blow up innocent children and call it lawful. Law is
about punishing the guilty, not might makes right.
Our federal government have a lot to answer for, in as much as they have
destroyed thousands of childrens lives by their so-called "laws".
> Give the RCMP the mandate to act and pick them all up then. If
> these people don't like it here, then off to prison they go, or
> ship them out of the country.
Shit man, the RCMP are going to be the first to be picked up for their
systemic corruption and assault on our inherent liberties. I don't think we
need burden the world with these monsters either - we'll deal with them here
in accordance with just law.
> If they were in Saudia Arabia, there wouldn't be any conversation
> about this, it would be an just another order from the King,
> with a simple, "Off with their heads..."
We'll if you think the community will support our cutting the heads off
these RCMP drug dealing pimps and crooks, i guess you could try a referendum
on it.
Personally i think it is good for the law to be tempered with mercy, but
that's just me.
> If they want a civil war, they'll get one, and Canada will
> win, and be on top.
It will likely take a civilian war to get Canada back on top. Then we can be
an example of justice and liberty to world once again, by showing we are a
nation of strong willed people who defend our unalienable rights at any
cost, from any enemy.
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
Frank Rivers....... wrote:
> Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
> and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
>in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
>by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
>act for the general safety and welfare of
>*all* people living in all parts of Canada.
Yeah, but that's not happening, and all you are doing is repeating the
intent.
> but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
> are killing those children.
>I beg to differ,
>THE RCMP do not support drug lords;
Actually they bend over backward for them.... Even to the point of FIRING
any members on their force who try to investigate the issue.
Even the Prime Minsters office was not interested in stopping the RCMP from
letting in [among others] the biggest f-ing Meth dealer in Hong Kong. So you
know some serious coin is being put in the pockets of the RCMP brass when
that kind of stuff is happening.
Now the RCMP are selling off the Bud they steal from peoples homes, and
telling the public some bogus disinformation crap about "burying the stuff
in the ground" rather than burn it. Yeah, they're burying the stuff
alright.. ;-)
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>
>> Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
>> in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
>> by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
>> act for the general safety and welfare of
>> *all* people living in all parts of Canada.
>
> That may be so for now, but when it comes to communitys who start electing
> their own sheffifs and sheffifs department to look at after their policing
> needs, there is nothing the RCMP or other police can do to arrest people
in
> those communites, unless they the RCMP and other police forces wish to be
> arrestecx themselves.
>
> It would be up to the local sheffif's department, to deal with the issues
> and if it warrents any arrests.
>Uhm, Bullshit; The RCMP can go into any community,
>with a valid warrant, to arrest people. Canada is
>*not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
>Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
Yeah, so what? That has no baring on what the Sheriff can do. His authority
comes from the people in his district, and the law of the land as expressed
in our Constitution of 1215, 1225, 1297, and re-affirmed in 1368 by Edward
the III.
>Obviously, your not a Canadian, or you would have
>known that, Franky.
Obviously you need to read up on democracy, law enforcement, unalienable
rights and authority of individuals, and our Great Charter.
notritenoteri
rock resting at the bottom of septic tank somehwere. He's sort of the Golom
of the NG he wants to be sheriff that's his "precious"
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
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notritenoteri
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
notritenoteri
you know about them? You been sniffing glue again?
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
notritenoteri
Are you really a red-necked trailer trash American escaping a warrant for
pissing on the sidewalk or something? I can't really see you doing anything
serious except maybe spitting on the sidewalk. The only places in Canada
that the RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction is probably embassy properties which
are under international treaty considered to be foreign soil.
~there's not much talk about sheriffs in this country that is more of an
archaic English term or from the US of A. Tell you what fwanky if you
break the law how long you stay on the streets. If you own a car, drinking
and driving and getting caught usually brings an arrest.
When you get to be the sheriff of Moron town what color of horse yah gonna
ride?
......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote in message
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notritenoteri
can't even put a coherent spin on the words he throws around.
notritenoteri
You really do live in a fantasy world. Might is right. If you're the mighty
you don't have to call blowing up anybody lawful, you just do it. WHat's so
special about children except being smaller there's more to the pound?
When is this revolution going to start? who is going to start it you? you
and fathers fore-skin couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery let alone a
revolution. Why don't you undertake something you might be able to handle
like wiping the shit cleanly from your lips?
Keep it coming T! I need a chuckle today.
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
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notritenoteri
people take them its just that they get them legally through their doctors.
Better drugs be made legal, taxed and regulated same as alcohol. BTW alcohol
is a drug a damn dangerous one as are cigarettes. I bet you smoke; most
psychos do its part of their flaw.
Tell us is the whole world conspiring against you or just the RCMP and the
govt. It is important we know
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>
> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
.
>
> Yeah, but that's not happening, and all you are doing is repeating the
> intent.
>
>
>
notritenoteri
still in fantasy land I see YAH good old Eddie eye eye eye. How longs he
been gone now? You can't get it through your tiny mind that the only laws
that matter are the ones that are enforced. What happened 600 years ago is
only relevant if it is deemed to be so. No laws are absolute but obviously
you haven't got to that state of understanding.
Got your horse picked out yet sheriff? You should watch Mel Brook's
"Blazing Saddles" it is a great retraining film for guys like you. The
townsfolk get to call the sheriff "Nigger" right on the screen; very
politically incorrect but the writers were Jewish so its OK.
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Top Poster
> PTP, is this the best you can do? Sould I be embarrassed I've had a
> subdural
> hematoma?
Your keepers shouldn't allow you Usenet access considering your
brain-damaged condition.
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
"Top Poster" <T...@Poster.co______m> wrote in message
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> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:4321d.3842$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > PTP, is this the best you can do? Sould I be embarrassed I've had a
> > subdural
> > hematoma?
>
> Your keepers shouldn't allow you Usenet access considering your
> brain-damaged condition.
NOTTOBRIGHT,
Drinking to excess does that kind of Stuff, is it true you might go to AA,
to save what brain cells you got left.
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> Fwanky, I notice you clipped all the bon mots that were presented to you.
> Are you really a red-necked trailer trash American escaping a warrant for
> pissing on the sidewalk or something? I can't really see you doing
anything
> serious except maybe spitting on the sidewalk. The only places in Canada
> that the RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction is probably embassy properties
which
> are under international treaty considered to be foreign soil.
>
> ~there's not much talk about sheriffs in this country that is more of an
> archaic English term or from the US of A. Tell you what fwanky if you
> break the law how long you stay on the streets. If you own a car,
drinking
> and driving and getting caught usually brings an arrest.
> When you get to be the sheriff of Moron town what color of horse yah gonna
> ride?
What does your ranting and drooling have to do electing a sheriff,
nototbright in the head.
dave
> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:EF41d.195897$X12.20481@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>>>"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
>>
>>news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
>>Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>>
>>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>>>with a valid warrant, to arrest people. Canada is
>>>*not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
>>>Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
>
>
> Yeah, so what? That has no baring on what the Sheriff can do. His authority
> comes from the people in his district, and the law of the land as expressed
> in our Constitution of 1215, 1225, 1297, and re-affirmed in 1368 by Edward
> the III.
Wrong; Nice try though.
THe RCMP;
The NWMP was created by Sir John A MacDonald, under the
Authority of QUEEN Vitoria, who ruled Britian from 1837
to 1901, which supercedes his laws and rules passed
on those dates you mentioned. These were basically
a horse infantry regiment(company) with powers to arrest.
The name "Royal" was added to the Mounties after the
Mounties moved their Headquarters to Ottawa from
Winnipeg by KING Edward VII in 1904 which superceded
Queen Victoria's naming of NorthWest Mounted Police Regiment
to Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
Our Constitution in Canada was signed and Delivered by
P.E.T. in 1984, by QUEEN Elizabeth II, and Canada
was no longer a British Dominion, and therefore, the
Laws of our lands are now are own.
The Sheriff:
This act was introduced in 1991, as the Sheriff's ACT,
by a RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE NUT CASE, belonging to a
RIGHT PARTY, under the leadership of the
CRIMINAL BRIAN MULRONEY.
The Sheriffs in Canada and all their subordinates
are officers who perform duties for the court,
such as;
- Maintaining the Provincial or Terrtorial Jury list,
- Summoning jurors and attending to their requirements,
security or otherwise, from beginning to end of
a trial,
- collecting accounts on behalf of creditors with judgments,
including seizure and sale of assets and garnishment of monies,
- protecting the rights of debtors against overzealous creditors,
- collecting monies for the support of spouses and children under
the Support Enforcement Act,
- enforcing decisions of the Residential Tenancies Board,
- safely transporting and housing persons in our custody,
including young offenders and operating holding cells for
prisoners in the Provincial or Territory,
- providing the security services to our Courts and the people
who attend at the same,
- working with Fines Administration in collecting fines on behalf
of the province or territory owed to the Courts.
- acting as ex-officio Federal Marshals in Admiralty law and
other matters in carrying out ships’ or aircraft arrests and
discharging other Federal Court orders,
- discharging the instructions and orders of the Judges of the
Supreme Court of Canada, the Federal Court of Canada (Appeal
Division), the Federal Court of Canada (Trial Division), the
Court of Appeal of the Province or Territory, the Supreme Court
of Province or Terrritory ,Trial Division, and Provincial
Courts of the Province or Territory, to the Sheriff’s Office.
You now stand corrected.
>>Obviously, your not a Canadian, or you would have
>>known that, Franky.
>
>
> Obviously you need to read up on democracy, law enforcement, unalienable
> rights and authority of individuals, and our Great Charter.
Democracy? Law Enforcement? unalienable rights?
I thought you were talking about Canada,
not "Star Trek" or the United States Constitution,
from which the "Sheriff's ACT" was borrowed
from.
Please understand, dumbass, if you live in Canada
( which I seriously doubt ), you would have already
known you don't live a democracy, but in a draconian state,
much like England is today, which has adopted many
democratic rules, human rights, and other laws
like law enforcement from other countries.
Basically, Canadian law and the Constitution is a
hoge-poge of what works the most effectively with
the limited resources available to the government.
Some things work well, some don't. That's why the
people are permitted to elect their politicians
every 5 years through a vote, to make a change or
a correction that will follow the countries
progress over time.
Don't like it? Want a sheriff? Want to become
a Sheriff?
Move to the United States of America then.
dave
> fwankly fwanky is shy cuase he's from under a rock, a very wet and slimy
> rock resting at the bottom of septic tank somehwere. He's sort of the Golom
> of the NG he wants to be sheriff that's his "precious"
>
>
> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:EF41d.195897$X12.20481@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>>>"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
>>
>>news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
>>Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>>
>>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>>
Gollum, Gollum... :)
Damn, that is funny...
notritenoteri
Got your hoss bought yet sheriff?
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
in message news:JIl1d.3258$XP3.1070@edtnps84...
notritenoteri
much fog and rain has affected him. I think he wants to be sheriff which
according to your description is sort of a repo man and go-for position for
the courts.
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message news:_5m1d.26$yW6.13@clgrps12...
dave
> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>
>>Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
>>in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
>>by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
>>act for the general safety and welfare of
>>*all* people living in all parts of Canada.
>
>
> Yeah, but that's not happening, and all you are doing is repeating the
> intent.
I'm sorry, but I don't see criminals around Toronto
running rampant and causing mayhem like I've
seen in other countries.
The RCMP is doing a good job, and I'm pretty sure
that they can only try to improve over time.
>>but then you have the RCMP supporting Druglords in Canada and those drugs
>>are killing those children.
>
>
>>I beg to differ,
>
>
>>THE RCMP do not support drug lords;
>
>
> Actually they bend over backward for them.... Even to the point of FIRING
> any members on their force who try to investigate the issue.
This was a unique case, and in fact it was the higher ups
that asked for the investigations to stop, not the
RCMP heads.
The RCMP only do what their Political superiors
tell them to do, and if some members of the RCMP
trying to do the right thing get fired, it's not
their fault, or their superiors, their merely
following orders.
Place the blame where it belongs; On the head of
the Policiticians, not the RCMP.
> Even the Prime Minsters office was not interested in stopping the RCMP from
> letting in [among others] the biggest f-ing Meth dealer in Hong Kong. So you
> know some serious coin is being put in the pockets of the RCMP brass when
> that kind of stuff is happening.
More like some serious coin was being place in
the hands of the High Commissioners office, and
the Conservative Government at that time.
I noticed that after 1995, a lot of arrests were
made, even in BC, with all the smuggling from HongKong
going on.
Didn't under NDP Glen Clark boats of illegals get
stopped on the west coast?
Why hasn't this continued to occur under the BC Liberals
and Gordon Campbell, hmmm?
Is it because he claims," BC is open for business", and
what he really meant it is open to all criminal
investments since he will turn a blind eye to it all,
because it seems like it.
> Now the RCMP are selling off the Bud they steal from peoples homes, and
> telling the public some bogus disinformation crap about "burying the stuff
> in the ground" rather than burn it. Yeah, they're burying the stuff
> alright.. ;-)
I'm sorry, but at every bust I see and observe the
RCMP take the ill-gotten booty to the nearest dumpster.
The only people who bury the stuff are the politicians,
and they are experts at it.
====
However, since you bring up HEMP:
Hemp was made illegal in the USA because of
the media baron Hearst, due to the fact that
Hemp was a better paper,rope, fuel, and cloth
than wood, nylon, petroleum, and cotton ever
could be.
His wood plantations were losing money to it, since
he lost his MEXICAN HEMP plantation to Pancho VIA
in 1886. He made a deal with a plastics developer,
Dupont, to manufacture the paper with wood which
we use today, which turns yellow after 20 years.
[ Hemp paper doesn't discolour until far after
100 years. ]
But wood paper was way more expensive that HEMP
paper, and the only WAY HEARSYT could make money
was to have HEMP imports banned altogether. He hammered
away everyday with an anti-HEMP articles much
like Global TV does with the anti-LIBERAL spots
today.
Up to 1937, hemp was everywhere, and it was even made
illegally by the US ARMY from 1939 to 1946 for
shoe strings, rope, combat fatigues, blankets,
etc.
Canada followed suit with the USA on the prohibition of
Hemp, but they also realized that the US went to
far in even banning alcohol in 1927, remember?
Canada won't go that far, but politicians realize
the problems and expenses as to what HEMP actually
costs, and since a lot of judges are tossing
hemp cases for pocession and use, not trafficking,
I think the judges may be on to something.
A lot of the planets forests would be saved
with hemp being used strictly for commercial purposes,
to which our dwindling resources of that product
is being realized today.
I am quite sure HEMP is more of an asset to
planet than a lot of people like HEARST and
the other US/CANADIAN Conservative PURITANS
might think, simply because they don't know.
Top Poster
in message news:JIl1d.3258$XP3.1070@edtnps84...
>
> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:vgh1d.3925$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
>> Fwanky, I notice you clipped all the bon mots that were presented to you.
>> Are you really a red-necked trailer trash American escaping a warrant for
>> pissing on the sidewalk or something? I can't really see you doing
> anything
>> serious except maybe spitting on the sidewalk. The only places in Canada
>> that the RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction is probably embassy properties
> which
>> are under international treaty considered to be foreign soil.
>>
>> ~there's not much talk about sheriffs in this country that is more of an
>> archaic English term or from the US of A. Tell you what fwanky if you
>> break the law how long you stay on the streets. If you own a car,
> drinking
>> and driving and getting caught usually brings an arrest.
>> When you get to be the sheriff of Moron town what color of horse yah
>> gonna
>> ride?
>
> What does your ranting and drooling have to do electing a sheriff,
> nototbright in the head.
not-too-bright dreams of malt liquor and little children.
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
>
>
>>
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
"Top Poster" <T...@Poster.co_______m> wrote in message
news:B_m1d.404836$M95.24678@pd7tw1no...
LOL's, must be a withdrawal thing it's (nottobright in the head) has going
on.
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message news:TGm1d.35$yW6.2@clgrps12...
>The RCMP is doing a good job, and I'm pretty sure
>that they can only try to improve over time.
You just can't face the truth, about your beloved RCMP criminals, can you
Dave.
http://www.fathers.ca/rcmp_cover_up.htm
Yup their doing children a real big favor by their cover-up's, you sure are
a moron, all right.
Smarten up your bootlicking fascist prick. Oh well I guess the old saying
that criminals that stick together
flock together, right dave.
notritenoteri
do you have to be so judgmental, so vulgar? God is not going to let you in
heaven when you die. Your doomed doomed doomed. You will go to hell and burn
eternally in the fire and brimstone. Get someone to pray for you get a whole
multitude to pray you will need prayers for your salvation. Jesus can save
you, believe in jesus it is your only hope. Forgive your enemas pray for
them, minister to the poor and wanting.
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
in message news:bmn1d.4835$XP3.2915@edtnps84...
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> fwanky fwanky,
> do you have to be so judgmental, so vulgar? God is not going to let you in
> heaven when you die. Your doomed doomed doomed. You will go to hell and
burn
> eternally in the fire and brimstone. Get someone to pray for you get a
whole
> multitude to pray you will need prayers for your salvation. Jesus can save
> you, believe in jesus it is your only hope. Forgive your enemas pray for
> them, minister to the poor and wanting.
I believe God looks at the truth, justice, not what some idiot claims who
uses ignorance and malice to be gospel.
Maybe you should re-think your life and grow up, Alice.
notritenoteri
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> If i retink my lif will I gwo up to be just like your fwanky?
Ahh isn't that cute, Alice honey. But I think you have to give of your life
long friend, Mr. Booze.
After all, it not socilaist political correct any nore to be babbling like
you do when you have a few. :-)
David Deilley
wrote
>
Is this an IMAGINARY MLA to go with your IMAGINART "lawsuite" and your
imaginary "fathers' rights political party with hundreds of thousands
supporters"???
Why don't you tell the newsgroup the name of this MLA, you bullshit
liar.
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Davidism, I know your head is spinning 360 degree's right now, and your
stupidity is getting the best of you, but at
least go get a life, you need it, as your not interested in facts or truth
of issues, your only interested in your socilaist stupidity.
notritenoteri
is it true your related to Howard Hughes? I heard your wear kleenex boxes
for slippers, don't cut your finger nails, don't wash and save your urine in
glass jars.
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
notritenoteri
answer the question. MLA's names aren't classified. You really are a
bullshitter aren't you? You just talk to yourself. Do you like the answers
you get?
Did you see batman and robin in London England go off to the lockup both
nuttier than you if that's possible.
Keep entertaining us fwanky! hows your kids I bet they don't know your a NG
nutcase do they?
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
in message news:w4q1d.737$t61.527@clgrps13...
dave
Hey David,
This guy Frank Rivers is either an American or a
British citizen. He is obviously not a Canadian,
by his simple discourse and obvious mistakes he makes
about the established legal and Law enforcement
systems inplace in Canada.
He's a troll, and not worth your attention.
Don't worry, eventually, he'll get the message to
go away.
After all, this guy Frank Rivers, if he is part of the
Fathers 4 Justice, then he must be a divorced father
who was a multi-convicted wife beater and probably
has a rap sheet with multiple assaults.
I spoke to a lawyer not more than a year ago about this
group in Canada, and the fellow told me that no judges
would split a father from the family and deny visitation
rights unless there were mountains of evidence of
*multiple police incident reports* against the
father/husband.
From what I was told, a lot had to happen, including
breaking bones on either the wife or kids or others,
pulling guns on people or officers of the law
( typically RCMP ), involving children in crime, selling
them for profit and prostitution, and of course, the
wives.
The last straw would be after a trial time for cooling off,
the father would have tried to abduct the child from the
mother and try to depart the country with them.
( They'd be caught by the RCMP )
That's when most judges would deny them visitation
rights altogether.
So this fringe group of convicts who lost their
kids in divorce court, and are only now realizing
that they miss their family and access to their children,
are crying foul for their currently fucked-up situation,
and are desperately looking for another chance,
( too bad they woke up now ).
They are a hapless, stupid, and ignorant people, who
hide from the lime light, since they will only draw
public criticism for their miserable existance when
a single member's police record gets aired out in public.
Let this thread die, and let him return to that place
where his wife and the courts left him...
...twisting in the wind, all alone.
As it should be.
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
in the Ng's like the-"ism daven-phobic van gubber"
Well there it is folks, spoken like a true National socilaist nazi, and how
these socialist, feminist, leftwing demagogues, have finally learned to
extend their forearms, while saluting their new order of Nazism, in the NG's
.
It was like seeing one of those brown shirts with a red arm band, shouting
out "Sig Heil!" on the old news reels, to justify their criminal behaviour
and abuse on fathers for their Liberal deadbeats. As dave's loud drums are
banging and he wipes the smell of his leftwing extremism off his fore-head,
when he tries very hard to puts forth;
"The Propaganda Ring for his local group and government offices.
His task is to ensure the unity of the propaganda, with regards to the
public appearance of the Liberal party policy's and its subordinate and
affiliated organizations, the RCMP, and to provide general guidelines for
the propaganda, so he can think he can fool you the people into believing
his outdated thinking... Which in truth is nothing, but that famous one
sided Feminazi bigoted thinking and sexist leftwing stupidity.
As dave's fanasty of Goose Stepping his stupidity to the top, by being the
boot licking, jack up brown nosed clown, his stupidity will remain intact
for all to see, as I debunk his new found Nazism for all to see.
His feminazi friends and RCMP thugs, will try to pervert the facts and truth
and bring forward injustices that he gets paid laundered blood money for to
be their useful socialist liar and to promote as many falsehoods on fathers
and their male children.
I referee to them as the real scumbag types, that use ignorance and malice
to justify their hiding their criminal behaviour and actions on it's
citizen's in Canada. Here I drawn your attention to the fact and truth, as I
have stated below, let the truth be free and those bigoted sexist leftwing
terrorist be judge for their hate crimes on the male gender.
On the issue of domestic violence
There is much confusion about whom to believe in the debate about spousal
violence. On one side we have gender activists who rely on law enforcement
statistics. On the other side we have social scientists who rely on
scientifically structured studies.
Unfortunately, the results of scientific studies do not receive media
attention. America's press is seemingly more interested in political
correctness than scientific accuracy. Therefore, the public perception, and
the perception of many well-intentioned domestic violence activists, is
radically skewed away from the more balanced perception of social
scientists.
Many abuse shelter personnel below the executive level are unaware of the
scientific studies, even though they claim to be "domestic violence experts"
and often conduct "training" sessions for government agencies. There are
towns and cities in our country where the entire legal establishment,
including law enforcement, family law attorneys, and judges, are making
decisions about family violence based on political propaganda rather than
well established research.
Ignorance on Violence is no excuse
Before 1975 the topic of domestic violence was something that few people
talked about. Few people truly knew the scope of the problem, and
conversation ranged from blatant hyperbole to open indifference. Silence,
for the most part, was as common as ignorance.
Today that silence has largely disappeared; unless you happen to be a very
specific class of victim. Furthermore, this silence is calculating,
deliberate, and driven by malice.
In 1975 a team of U.S. researchers lead by Dr. Murray Straus and Richard
Gelles conducted a national BOTH GENDER survey in the U.S. regarding
"inter©spousal battery". The survey was anonymous, and they found that 16
percent of couples were violent toward each other, and that fewer than 1
percent fit their severe abuse criteria.
Most surprisingly they found that "women assault their partners at about the
same rate as men assault their partners", including the most severe forms of
abuse gathered. This latter finding was so unexpected that the researchers
assumed it to be an abberation. However in 1985 a secound survey gave the
same findings, and the results of both surveys were published in the 1986
August edition of the "Journal of Marriage and the Family" (vol 48). So was
born the subject of the "battered husband".
One of the more well©known individuals to write on this topic was Suzanne
Steinmetz, the author of the book "The Battered Husband" and one of the
co©investigators of the 'First National Family Violence Survey' by Murray
Straus et al. She would frequently give lectures at various universities
regarding women's violence toward their spouses and, as a result, became the
object of wrath of many a women's group.
When she was scheduled for a promotion, women's groups launched a letter
writing campaign urging that it be denied. Other times she and her family
were the object of death threats; one of the conferences she spoke at
received a bomb threat.
Why, one wonders, would certain groups or individuals, within the women's
movement, be so paranoid at acknowledging the fact that men, too, can be
victims of battery at the hands of their wives? One theory offered is that
women's groups "feared" that they would be forced to share funds allocated
for shelters; however even if this were to occur, it hardly excuses their
behaviour. Everyone is entitled to live a life free of violence regardless
of their gender, and to have their issues equally aired and dealt with.
Just as disturbing is the willingness of governments and the media to
willingly play along in this conspiracy of silence. For example, the
Attorney Generals' office of B.C. has publicly stated their familiarity with
all of the work done by Murray Straus, yet does not even recognize men as a
significant number of victims of domestic abuse in its family violence
guidelines document © named, interestingly enough, the "Violence Against
Women in Relationships Outline".
The policy guideline not only ignores all of the studies showing men as half
of all victims, (to which Murray Straus has stated now number no less than
70) it deliberately states the opposite. Even recent requests to have this
document use "gender neutral" language were repeatedly turned down by both
the office of the premier, and the attorney general.
Despite blatant sexism within the document, both the premier and the
attorney general maintain that all victims are treated equally.
Likewise the media still routinely substitutes the words "women" for
"victim" and "men" for "abuser" whenever they cover this topic. Media that
openly acknowledge men as a substantial number of victims are by far the
exception than the rule, even today.
Sadly, the result of this combined effort, be it spawned of ignorance or
malice, is to further stigmatize male victims and therefore contribute to
their further silent victimization. Likewise it has produced a system
whereby violence by women, no matter how extreme or premeditated, is
excused.
We have all witnessed the fact that even when a woman IS arrested and
charged, she is far from likely to be judged or punished with the same
standards that men are. We are at a place now where a woman, such as
Dorothy Joudrie, can shoot her spouse in the back six times and be found
"not guilty". There is not now, nor ever has been, an equivalent law for
men to that of the "battered women's syndrome".
Of course none of this worries the women's groups fighting to keep the
'battered husband' in the closet, and absolve those women who do abuse. And
media and government is hardly nocking down any doors to change this
situation either. To one extent or another they are all co©conspirators to
the silence and misinformation that plagues this entire issue. And while
much of this may have been attributed to ignorance some ten years ago, it is
very hard to come to that conclusion today.
____________________________________________________
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
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Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
Maybe if someone who displayed any competant and sincere interest asked he
would. Revealing it to you would an utter waste of time, and its even
possible your only motive is to hamper progress.
Btw, i guess Fathers 4 Justice [which has its roots in BC, fyi] is just an
imaginary group too? So i didn't see any international news coverage of the
group on TV tonight- it was all in my imagination?
What is the reason for your obsession with activities you claim don't exist?
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> > "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> > wrote
> >
> >>you are mistaken, as a matter of fact I spoke to a MLA
> >
> >
> > Is this an IMAGINARY MLA to go with your IMAGINART "lawsuite" and your
> > imaginary "fathers' rights political party with hundreds of thousands
> > supporters"???
> >
> > Why don't you tell the newsgroup the name of this MLA, you bullshit
> > liar.
>
>
>
> Hey David,
>
> This guy Frank Rivers is either an American or a
> British citizen. He is obviously not a Canadian,
> by his simple discourse and obvious mistakes he makes
> about the established legal and Law enforcement
> systems inplace in Canada.
>
> He's a troll, and not worth your attention.
>
> Don't worry, eventually, he'll get the message to
> go away.
>
> After all, this guy Frank Rivers, if he is part of the
> Fathers 4 Justice, then he must be a divorced father
> who was a multi-convicted wife beater and probably
> has a rap sheet with multiple assaults.
It does not go without notice [to those still having a grip on a sound mind]
that the people in the NG who most vociferiously support government
injustice, and police corruption, are also quick to spread broad and
defamatory garbage about people they know nothing about.
Birds of a feather or what!
---------------
And the material below should be enough to have you committed to a mental
ward. I've never read such profound nonsense in months.
>
> I spoke to a lawyer not more than a year ago about this
> group in Canada, and the fellow told me that no judges
> would split a father from the family and deny visitation
> rights unless there were mountains of evidence of
> *multiple police incident reports* against the
> father/husband.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did he work for Gump, Sling Blade and Associates? What's this imaginary
lawyers name?
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> T,
> still in fantasy land I see
What you talking about? You saying government doesn't exist, even if people
create one?
>
>
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message news:_5m1d.26$yW6.13@clgrps12...
Tylêr__Ðû®den.ò 8;1F&* wrote:
> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:EF41d.195897$X12.20481@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>>>"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
>>
>>news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
>>Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>>
>>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>>>Uhm, Bullshit; The RCMP can go into any community,
>>>with a valid warrant, to arrest people. Canada is
>>>*not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
>>>Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
>
>
> Yeah, so what? That has no baring on what the Sheriff can do. His
authority
> comes from the people in his district, and the law of the land as
expressed
> in our Constitution of 1215, 1225, 1297, and re-affirmed in 1368 by Edward
> the III.
>Wrong; Nice try though.
What is wrong? The existance of the Crown?
>THe RCMP;
>The NWMP was created by Sir John A MacDonald, under the
>Authority of QUEEN Vitoria, who ruled Britian from 1837
>to 1901, which supercedes his laws and rules passed
>on those dates you mentioned. These were basically
>a horse infantry regiment(company) with powers to arrest.
Perhaps you should do some more reading, because then you might discover
that Queen Victoria is a decendant of the British Crown that is bound to the
Charter i referred you to, and that police powers were granted as a duty of
the Crown to maintain the peace and enforce the common law.
>The name "Royal" was added to the Mounties after the
>Mounties moved their Headquarters to Ottawa from
>Winnipeg by KING Edward VII in 1904 which superceded
>Queen Victoria's naming of NorthWest Mounted Police Regiment
>to Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
ROTFL! Like that means SFA!
>Our Constitution in Canada was signed and Delivered by
>P.E.T. in 1984, by QUEEN Elizabeth II, and Canada
>was no longer a British Dominion, and therefore, the
>Laws of our lands are now are own.
The Queen did not pass a Constitution in 1984 [or 1982 for that matter] -
she passed an ACT [Canada Act, 1982] of the Legislative Assembly of the
United Kingdom - we already have a constitution from the Crown that is
eternal.
Constitutions that establish republician goverments [which we don't have in
Canada] are what the public ratify in order to grant authority [by consent]
to a government as a license to perform their duties and responsibilities
[to serve us] as protectors of OUR individual rights and liberty. End of
f#%king story, Mate!
If you manage to find a copy of the Canada Act, i suggest you read section
31 of the Act, and you will see it did nothing regarding legislative powers,
and if it did infringe our Charter we would be perfectly within our rights
to ignore any law passed by the Legislature. [Read also section 26]
So you are quite full of sh#t on everything you have said.. I'm actually a
little embarassed for you after reading your UTTER tripe in TWO posts in the
same day now!
And here is something else you are undoubtedly incapable of
comprehending.......
"Here is a law which is above the King and Parliament, and which even He and
They must not and may not legally break. And in the event they or anyone
else were to try to abrogate it, such attempt at abrogation shall have no
force nor effect [1297] and can be safely ignored with no legal ill effect.
In addition, in the event of successful attempts at abrogation of such
liberties, customs, or rights, the King has commanded and do hereby compel
any and all subjects to swear oath to join the barons to assail the
properties and persons and families of those (saving the King, Queen and the
royal children) who had successfully completed such abrogation, including
but not limited to that of the individual Members of Parliament who had
voted in favour of any such successful attempts at abrogation [1215]. This
reaffirmation of a supreme law and its expression in a general charter is
the great work of Magna Carta; and this alone justifies the respect in which
men have held it."
--Quote by Sir Winston Churchill, 1956
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
"dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message news:TGm1d.35$yW6.2@clgrps12...
Tylêr__Ðû®den.ò 8;1F&* wrote:
> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>
>>Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>>and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>
>
>>Issues of justice in Canada typically are performed
>>in a court of law, with law breakers taken to court
>>by the RCMP or local constabulary, who
>>act for the general safety and welfare of
>>*all* people living in all parts of Canada.
>
>
> Yeah, but that's not happening, and all you are doing is repeating the
> intent.
>I'm sorry, but I don't see criminals around Toronto
>running rampant and causing mayhem like I've
>seen in other countries.
Hey did you go to the same 'reduce it to the lowest common denominator'
school for drunks, incontinent losers and morons as 'nottobright' did? What
an amazing coincidence!
>The RCMP is doing a good job, and I'm pretty sure
>that they can only try to improve over time.
Yeah, when you are already at the bottom of the freaken barrel, you can't
help but go upward.
I'll give ya that one, DUH-AVE
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> T,
> You really do live in a fantasy world. Might is right.
THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting that again for me.... cuz when I tell people you actually
post this, they claim I'm lying because nobody could be that ignorant.
I owe ya one i guess... ;-)
How's YOUR army coming along, btw? Or are you resigned to being butt-fu#ked
by other armies the rest of your life? [If this is too personal, don't feel
you have to answer]
>
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
> message news:9W81d.389904$M95.80888@pd7tw1no...
> > That's for sure... I don't care what country or government a group
claims
> to
> > represent.... you don't blow up innocent children and call it lawful.
Law
> is
> > about punishing the guilty, not might makes right.
> >
> > Our federal government have a lot to answer for, in as much as they have
> > destroyed thousands of childrens lives by their so-called "laws".
> >
> > > Give the RCMP the mandate to act and pick them all up then. If
> > > these people don't like it here, then off to prison they go, or
> > > ship them out of the country.
> >
> > Shit man, the RCMP are going to be the first to be picked up for their
> > systemic corruption and assault on our inherent liberties. I don't think
> we
> > need burden the world with these monsters either - we'll deal with them
> here
> > in accordance with just law.
> >
> > > If they were in Saudia Arabia, there wouldn't be any conversation
> > > about this, it would be an just another order from the King,
> > > with a simple, "Off with their heads..."
> >
> > We'll if you think the community will support our cutting the heads off
> > these RCMP drug dealing pimps and crooks, i guess you could try a
> referendum
> > on it.
> >
> > Personally i think it is good for the law to be tempered with mercy, but
> > that's just me.
> >
> > > If they want a civil war, they'll get one, and Canada will
> > > win, and be on top.
> >
> > It will likely take a civilian war to get Canada back on top. Then we
can
> be
> > an example of justice and liberty to world once again, by showing we are
a
> > nation of strong willed people who defend our unalienable rights at any
> > cost, from any enemy.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
notritenoteri
why don't you go roll your magna carta into a tight cylinder and insert it
where the stars don't shine? Go home, your village is looking for its
idiot.
It is amazing how you can jump from lack of support for your ideas to
support of the things piss you off. Most people don't support police
corruption or injustice they just don't believe your warped view of the
world.
Gainsaying someone's comments isn't necessary or sufficient proof that what
they said wasn't true. "because Tyler says so...." doesn't make it a fact
nor does "Tyler denies it" make it a lie.You are confused about a lot of
things for example you think you are smart whereas in fact you're
intellectually ill equipped to survive.
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
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notritenoteri
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
notritenoteri
them count for squat.
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
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notritenoteri
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
>
> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:jCh1d.3931$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > T,
> > still in fantasy land I see
>
> What you talking about? You saying government doesn't exist, even if
people
> create one?
>
>
>
> >
> >
notritenoteri
representative of the people in Canada and besides he's been dead for quite
some time just like your brain.
There's very little that even approaches being eternal let alone laws
written to satisfy some long dead royalty's political ambitions. Get a grip
some put the stuff together someone else can take it apart. In any event
you can do bugger all except wander through fantasy land picking out obscure
passages from among thousands written in dusty old books stored in moldering
libraries. The guys who make the rules and the laws are the guys with the
AK47s and the M16s. Their laws are pretty simple, even you could understand,
basically it is "do as I say or die"
You can write that down if you want and pin it to your tiny dick.
"Tylêr__Ðû®den.ò 8" <tylëÔ__dûrde@.=x¶³GÓÐŒ>; "1F&*" <íÌØÇøÖ.ogr> wrote in
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notritenoteri
tell us how lofty ideals help when you are in the swamp up to your ass in
alligators?
"Tylêr__Ðû®den.ò 8" <tylëÔ__dûrde@.=x¶³GÓÐŒ>; "1F&*" <íÌØÇøÖ.ogr> wrote in
notritenoteri
Are you trying to allude to the fantasy that you actually know people who
are interested in what you think and do? I find that very hard to believe.
I'm not saying your a liar just that your perception of the real world is
somewhat strange.
Tell me if you are at a cross walk and stick out your arm, push the button
and proceed to walk and you see a large 60 KG semi trailer coming who is
obviously going to occupy the same space as you if you continue to walk what
do you do? you continue to walk in the knowledge that you are about to
become pavement scrapings or do you acknowledge the might of the kinetic
energy of the truck as being necessary and sufficient to have the right to
continue? Tell you what you go out , make the decision and tell us about it
if you make the correct one.
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
message news:sit1d.5223$%S.997@pd7tw2no...
>
> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:Zrh1d.3927$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > T,
> > You really do live in a fantasy world. Might is right.
>
> THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!
>
> Thanks for posting that again for me.... cuz when I tell people you
actually
> post this, they claim I'm lying because nobody could be that ignorant.
>
> I owe ya one i guess... ;-)
>
> How's YOUR army coming along, btw? Or are you resigned to being
butt-fu#ked
> by other armies the rest of your life? [If this is too personal, don't
feel
> you have to answer]
>
>
> >
> > "Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذO>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
The question is whether the state has the right to permit
lawful activity or merely prevent illegal activity. And
in the former case, ours has clearly failed the test of
moral relevance.
J'Accuse.
Dhu
In article <r7L0d.96285$S55.22671@clgrps12>,
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> writes:
> RCMP warns of militancy by 'right-wing anarchists' Western provinces:
> Anti-government groups on the rise
> Jim
>
> National Post
>
> OTTAWA - The RCMP is worried about the rise of "several extreme
> anti-government groups" in Western Canada -- inspired by U.S. radicals such
> as the Freemen -- that dispute the state's authority to levy taxes and
> license drivers.
>
> An RCMP intelligence brief warns that "increasing militancy" by groups that
> oppose taxes and other government measures has led to a pattern of criminal
> harassment of police officers, judges and bureaucrats.
>
> The Mounties note similar activities by U.S. extremists have sometimes
> escalated to serious violence, including the murder of police.
>
> In the federal budget on Monday, the government announced proposals that
> would allow tax collectors and auditors who feel they are being harassed by
> reluctant taxpayers to report the names of tormentors to police.
>
> The RCMP says radical anti-government activity in the western provinces
> appears to be influenced by the U.S. Sovereign Citizen movement,
> individuals who deny the legal authority of government.
>
> Sovereign Citizens, also known as Freemen, or the Common Law Court
> movement, are "essentially right-wing anarchists," says the intelligence
> brief.
>
> These individuals claim that, by declaring themselves sovereign citizens,
> they become subject only to common law, not to federal, provincial or state
> legislation, courts or taxes. Members point to the Magna Carta and old case
> law, which they insist prove no government can impose legislation on a
> person without the individual's consent.
>
> In 1996, the Montana Freemen threatened to arrest local prosecutors and
> judges, leading to an 81-day standoff with the FBI at Jordan, Mont.
>
> The movement's ideas were initially popularized by the now-defunct Posse
> Comitatus, formed in Oregon in 1969, which claimed that all government
> above the county level was illegitimate.
>
> "There are several extreme anti-government groups active in Western Canada
> promoting Sovereign Citizen activities based on those of the Freemen and
> the Posse Comitatus," the RCMP brief says.
>
> "Individuals involved in this movement will generally refuse to pay income
> tax or the GST and will also often refuse to license or insure their motor
> vehicles or to possess a valid driver's license."
>
> Members try to "obstruct any investigation of these actions" by the Canada
> Customs and Revenue Agency or the police.
>
> The brief, prepared in early January, was released under the Access to
> Information Act, although portions of the secret document were deleted.
>
> When members of the Sovereign Citizen movement attend court to face charges
> they usually bring a number of supporters, refuse to recognize the court's
> jurisdiction and may try to place police and court officers under citizen's
> arrest.
>
> In one recent incident, a supporter assaulted a police officer.
>
> Federal officials say some angry taxpayers have posted the names of
> auditors and collectors on Web sites or even stalked the bureaucrats near
> their homes. The name and picture of one auditor were displayed on a
> billboard.
>
>
--
***********************************************
All persons named herein are purely fictional victims
of the Canidian Bagle Breader's Association.
Save the Bagle!
Sun Ðhu
***********************************************
catchmerevisited
colda...@hades.com wrote on 9/14/04 5:33 AM:
> Tyler, time for your reality check. Churchill was never an elected
> representative of the people in Canada and besides he's been dead for quite
> some time just like your brain.
> There's very little that even approaches being eternal let alone laws
> written to satisfy some long dead royalty's political ambitions. Get a grip
> some put the stuff together someone else can take it apart. In any event
> you can do bugger all except wander through fantasy land picking out obscure
> passages from among thousands written in dusty old books stored in moldering
> libraries. The guys who make the rules and the laws are the guys with the
> AK47s and the M16s. Their laws are pretty simple, even you could understand,
> basically it is "do as I say or die"
>
> You can write that down if you want and pin it to your tiny dick.
>
As long as we call ourselves Subjects of the Crown (meaning of course, Her
Majesty), we are beholden First to the Magna Carta of England (the Charter
between the Throne and Her People), and Secondly to that Charter granted to
us by the same Crown.
Churchill's comments thus are EXTREMELY relevant to Canadian Law as well as
that of the UK, and any Legal Precedents set within Her Borders.
How much clearer can it be, that while we seemingly pay lip-service to the
Crown, it is the Crown which has granted to us a lip-service form of
"Independence"; technically She can revoke our Charter, though this would
likely cause an uprising between the Parliamentarians and the Royalists in
all of the Crown's Holdings.
The fact remains, that whether the Crown would choose to or not, the
Ultimate Authority is in Her Hands, bound by the Seal of the Magna Carta
stating that we are the Subjects of the Crown and laying out the Duties and
Responsibilities the Crown must do in exchange for our Hommage.
Furthermore, all our Documents pertaining to the Lands of the HBC, as
granted in the BNA Act are still in effect- Her Majesty still receives the
Entitlement of a certain number of pelts, etc. upon Her Visit, in Accordance
with this Law.
notritenoteri
period except for the reality that when the southern elephant says "I'm
gonna fuck you over" all we can only say is "give us a kiss then".
Giving the old tart beaver pelts is just ticky boo if her beaver is
shaved out but as far as power etc it don't matter a damn. Since she has no
power in the UK (a constitutional Monarchy I believe) she has even less
here. The sooner we get rid of this ancestor worship crap the better. I'd
rather see 40 million burned that send that bitch the LG around the country
waving the flag.
get a life.
"catchmerevisited" <catchmerev...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:BD6C97BA.114B5%catchmerev...@yahoo.ca...
catchmerevisited
camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca wrote on 9/14/04 11:54 AM:
> Sounds like you talkin' trash...
>
> The question is whether the state has the right to permit
> lawful activity or merely prevent illegal activity. And
> in the former case, ours has clearly failed the test of
> moral relevance.
>
> J'Accuse.
>
> Dhu
the State CANNOT 'prevent' illegal activity; to give the State that
Authority, would be to Legislate Unlimitable Powers of arrest, no guarantees
on search and seizure, and constant monitoring of everyday citizens even in
the confines of their own homes.
The State can only Arrest those engaged in, or who committed, an illegal
activity, and arraign them in accordance with the law.
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
LOoks like some of these idiots want to braing Hilter back to life.
>
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> T,
> why don't you go roll your magna carta into a tight cylinder and insert it
> where the stars don't shine? Go home, your village is looking for its
> idiot.
<yawn> That line is older than the Magna Carta
> It is amazing how you can jump from lack of support for your ideas to
> support of the things piss you off.
I'm a pretty amazing guy.
> Most people don't support police
> corruption or injustice they just don't believe your warped view of the
> world.
How many are willing to do something other than just whine about it?
Btw, the police corruption is well documented. How many articles on the
subject would you like me to post?
Sunday, January 25, 2004
[story.aspx?id=07ca8741-03a9-4787-925e-d51b104925fd]
People in Canada are steadily loosing their faith in our so-called "officers
of the peace". More and more shocking evidence of police stealing cash and
drugs, doling out rough justice and protecting each other behind the storied
Blue Wall of Silence, continues to flood in from one coast to the other.
Cops in Toronto, for example, weren't too keen to speak publicly about the
allegations of corruption, brutality and conspiracy swirling lately around
Canada's largest urban police force.
But those who know them insist officers are "forging on" unrepentant,
despite shocking Serpico-style sagas, to say nothing of recent controversies
plaguing police forces from Vancouver to St. John's.
"I don't think people out on the street are saying, 'Well, because cops have
been charged, we're falling apart,' " said Gary Clewley, who represents the
Toronto Police Association; one of the strongest and most loyal defenders of
"police misconduct".
"They're made of stronger stuff than that." Gary Clewley stated, almost
boastingly.
Six members of the city's now-disbanded "drug squad" were charged after a
immense corruption probe and growing accusations of forged notes and police
records, false testimony and missing evidence.
Court documents released last week showcased a massive catalog of stunning
allegations: beatings, perjury, bribery, as well as stolen drugs, guns,
cash and jewellery - not to mention allegations that officers closed ranks
and threatened witnesses with death or injury in order to protect their own.
Then came the release of a recording of a profanity-laced and racist
conversation about baiting "Indians" with cases of beer by Ontario
provincial police officers at a native standoff at Ipperwash Provincial Park
in 1995. One officer is clearly heard referring to a native man as "a fat
f#ck indian".
The infamous clash with police, which ended in the shooting death of native
protester Dudley George, is nearly a decade old, yet the tape has only now
been released to the public, for obvious reasons.
"It's hard to know whether this is simply a normal level of problems which
just seem to have come together in a spike or whether there is in fact
something more profound and disturbing about policing in Canada," said
Robert Gordon, director of criminology at Simon Fraser University in
Burnaby, B.C.
The police are very proficient at hiding their tracks, and these stories are
usually just 'tip of the iceberg' situations.
[[[[[........]]]]]]
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/police_misconduct.htm
TORONTO -- Another of former Toronto police chief Bill McCormack's sons is
under investigation for alleged wrongdoing.
The Globe and Mail has confirmed that Mike McCormack, who is now a director
with the Toronto Police Association, is being probed by the force's internal
affairs unit over alleged connections to a used-car dealership that police
suspect was being run as a money-laundering front and as a terminal for
stolen cars destined for black markets overseas.
The police association board, The Globe has confirmed, has been made aware
of the investigation involving Mr. McCormack, who is their director of
uniform administrative services.
Only Sunday night, the association's new president, Rick McIntosh,
temporarily stepped aside pending the results of a separate internal
investigation in which he is alleged to be implicated.
Mr. McCormack is the younger brother of Billy McCormack Jr., who last week
was suspended with pay amid other allegations of wrongdoing.
The board yesterday issued a press release praising Mr. McIntosh for "the
honourable manner in which he has conducted himself" by volunteering to step
aside.
[..........]
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/more_corruption1.htm
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> T. It may exist but so does the Communist Party of Canada and neither of
> them count for squat.
So you don't recognize the federal government, then?
>
>
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> where?
Oh, is that somehow relevant? Governments can only exist in certain areas?
What would that criteria consist of? Sounds profound ... do tell!
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
> message news:3Rs1d.5137$%S.2784@pd7tw2no...
> >
> > "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> > news:jCh1d.3931$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > > T,
> > > still in fantasy land I see
> >
> > What you talking about? You saying government doesn't exist, even if
> people
> > create one?
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr>
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> Tyler, time for your reality check. Churchill was never an elected
> representative of the people in Canada and besides he's been dead for
quite
Oh dear.... So is Queen Victoria, which is where our government claims it
gets its authority. Guess the feds are SOL!
Did you want to tell them, or do you want me to do that too?
> There's very little that even approaches being eternal let alone laws
> written to satisfy some long dead royalty's political ambitions.
Really? I was not aware that law, justice and inherent rights had some sort
of a shelf life.. Who or what determines that? Sounds like profound stuff..
do tell!
>
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
> message news:n8t1d.408114$M95.203627@pd7tw1no...
> >
> > "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:_5m1d.26$yW6.13@clgrps12...
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> you guys never stay in reality do you? Canada is an independent nation
> period
ROTFL! BIZZZZZZZZZZT.... WRONG! The provinces were granted independance, but
never acted on it... They still use the BNA Act, and there is no
Constitution in "Canada" that would grant power to form an independant
republic.
However, feel free to show ANY caselaw to prove otherwise. I think you will
still find a Royal mace MUST be present in every branch of our government in
order for them to do anything, and that government holdings are deemed Crown
property. [Not to mention the cops, and every other government toadie, that
claims authority via Crown]
Scroll to the bottom of this link [below] , and tell me we are not still a
Crown colony of the Commonwealth of England!
You play the fool like an old hand.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/democracy_dead.htm
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> tyler, you fool,
> tell us how lofty ideals help when you are in the swamp up to your ass in
> alligators?
All right I'll humour you.... How do lofty ideals help you when you are up
to your ass in alligators? I haven't heard this one...
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
> message news:met1d.5210$%S.4287@pd7tw2no...
> >
> > "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
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Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
> English must be a second language for you since you understand it so
poorly.
> Are you trying to allude to the fantasy that you actually know people who
> are interested in what you think and do? I find that very hard to believe.
> I'm not saying your a liar just that your perception of the real world is
> somewhat strange.
> Tell me if you are at a cross walk and stick out your arm, push the button
> and proceed to walk and you see a large 60 KG semi trailer coming who is
> obviously going to occupy the same space as you if you continue to walk
what
> do you do? you continue to walk in the knowledge that you are about to
> become pavement scrapings or do you acknowledge the might of the kinetic
> energy of the truck as being necessary and sufficient to have the right to
> continue? Tell you what you go out , make the decision and tell us about
it
> if you make the correct one.
ROTFL! Your mind is a literal maze of confusing notions and ideas! It's too
absurd to consider as anything other than a source of amusement.
Here's what I do Nottoobright:
I pay attention to the fundamental law of physics and wait for my due time
to cross; whereas YOU would jump out in front of the trailer screaming that
the law of physics is too old to count anymore!
You understand what I just said to you, or did that one sail right over your
tin foil hat too?
Do you understand the concept of reason?
>
>
> "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr> wrote in
> message news:sit1d.5223$%S.997@pd7tw2no...
> >
> > "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> > news:Zrh1d.3927$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > > T,
> > > You really do live in a fantasy world. Might is right.
> >
> > THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Thanks for posting that again for me.... cuz when I tell people you
> actually
> > post this, they claim I'm lying because nobody could be that ignorant.
> >
> > I owe ya one i guess... ;-)
> >
> > How's YOUR army coming along, btw? Or are you resigned to being
> butt-fu#ked
> > by other armies the rest of your life? [If this is too personal, don't
> feel
> > you have to answer]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Tylźr__Šū®den.ņ 8" <tylėŌ__dūrde@.=x¶³GÓŠO>; "1F&*" <ķĢŲĒųÖ.ogr>
Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ
"Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca> wrote in
message news:W7H1d.11077$%S.5234@pd7tw2no...
> Sounds like you talkin' trash...
>
> The question is whether the state has the right to permit
> lawful activity or merely prevent illegal activity. And
> in the former case, ours has clearly failed the test of
> moral relevance.
>
> J'Accuse.
>
> Dhu
Just to clearify..
States don't have rights.. they are "legal fictions". Individuals have
rights [whether by contract or divine imputation] who then CREATE
governments [aka authorities] in order to defend those rights.
This is the only legitimate function of a government [or authority].
> Sun Šhu
>
> ***********************************************
>
notritenoteri
the shitter. GO excercise your "rights"on the freeway.
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
notritenoteri
"Tylêr__Ðû®den.ò 8" <tylëÔ__dûrde@.=x¶³GÓÐŒ>; "1F&*" <íÌØÇøÖ.ogr> wrote in
>
> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:FzB1d.4076$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > tyler, you fool,
> > tell us how lofty ideals help when you are in the swamp up to your ass
in
> > alligators?
>
> All right I'll humour you.... How do lofty ideals help you when you are up
> to your ass in alligators? I haven't heard this one...
>
>
in
> > message news:met1d.5210$%S.4287@pd7tw2no...
> > >
> > > "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> news:TGm1d.35$yW6.2@clgrps12...
notritenoteri
right of way. "due time" that sounds like you're pregnant or is it just your
swollen and mishapen head?
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
message news:F1M1d.415618$M95.163577@pd7tw1no...
> > "Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذO>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote
in
> > message news:sit1d.5223$%S.997@pd7tw2no...
> > >
> > > "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Zrh1d.3927$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > > > T,
> > > > You really do live in a fantasy world. Might is right.
> > >
> > > THERE IT IS!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting that again for me.... cuz when I tell people you
> > actually
> > > post this, they claim I'm lying because nobody could be that ignorant.
> > >
> > > I owe ya one i guess... ;-)
> > >
> > > How's YOUR army coming along, btw? Or are you resigned to being
> > butt-fu#ked
> > > by other armies the rest of your life? [If this is too personal, don't
> > feel
> > > you have to answer]
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذO>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr>
notritenoteri
assholes pre-date the MC?
I think not. DO you have some stone tablets perhaps? Are you even sure the
MC exists or is it just an elaborate forgery like Piltdown Man.?
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
notritenoteri
doesn't form the Government and you designating it as government will not
make it so. Just as all your arguments about who is in charge or where your
version of lawful government comes from means nothing when you are asked to
surrender and allow yourself to be placed under arrest. The simple reality
is if you resist arrest by a deemed competent authority (not necessarily by
you) you will me manhandled at best and shot to death at worst. Despite your
lofty arguments prior to the event, it is unlikely that they will have any
influence over the fact that you may be grievously injured or dead. If you
wish either of those outcomes that is perfectly OK with me. You see I don't
give a shit if or how you disappear. You are just so much garbage.
Have a nice magna carta day.
"Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذŒ>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote in
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>
> "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> news:EqB1d.4073$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > T. It may exist but so does the Communist Party of Canada and neither of
> > them count for squat.
>
> So you don't recognize the federal government, then?
>
>
> >
> >
> > "Tylêr__ذû®den.ٍ 8" <tylëش__dûrde@.=x¶³GسذO>; "1F&*" <يجطاّض.ogr> wrote
Spatuskin.@maximum..thuder.ott.gc.nic.co Carilzinki Spatuskin
> you don't deal much withthe real world do you
i think you don't, but it takes all kinds to help governments to attack
families and abuse children to satisfy there sick perverted agenda's.
it's called being a coward.
> "Tylęr__ÐûŪden.ō 8" <tylëÔ__dûrde@.=xķģGÓÐO>; "1F&*" <íĖØĮøÖ.ogr> wrote in
> message news:E1M1d.415617$M95.254911@pd7tw1no...
> >
> > "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
> > news:FzB1d.4076$H23....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> > > tyler, you fool,
> > > tell us how lofty ideals help when you are in the swamp up to your ass
> in
> > > alligators?
> >
> > All right I'll humour you.... How do lofty ideals help you when you are
up
> > to your ass in alligators? I haven't heard this one...
> >
> >
> > > "Tylęr__ÐûŪden.ō 8" <tylëÔ__dûrde@.=xķģGÓÐO>; "1F&*" <íĖØĮøÖ.ogr>
wrote
> in
> > > message news:met1d.5210$%S.4287@pd7tw2no...
> > > >
> > > > "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
> > news:TGm1d.35$yW6.2@clgrps12...
dave
>
>> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message news:_5m1d.26$yW6.13@clgrps12...>>> news:EF41d.195897$X12.20481@edtnps84...
>>> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> "dave" <tm...@yahoo.name> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> news:cJ31d.194989$X12.129247@edtnps84...
>>>> Frank Rivers....... wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be better if this RCMP disinformation just left people alone,
>>>> and let justice issues to be done by the people.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> with a valid warrant, to arrest people. Canada is
>>>>> *not* the USA, and the RCMP are Federal ARM of the
>>>>> Canadian Government and Law Enforcement in General.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, so what? That has no baring on what the Sheriff can do. His
>>> authority
>>> comes from the people in his district, and the law of the land as
>>> expressed
>>> in our Constitution of 1215, 1225, 1297, and re-affirmed in 1368 by Edward
>>> the III.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wrong; Nice try though.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is wrong? The existance of the Crown?
Nope, your WRONG. The Constitution that you mentioned, is
basically the old Magna Carta from Britain. The Constitution
in Canada is based on the British North America ACT
from 1867, signed by the British Parliment,
Queen Victoria, and Sir John A MacDonald.
You can't be that stupid to think that old piece of paper
exists in it's entirety today since almost all of
it was repealed or in 1856, 1860, and 1863, even
applies to Canada, or are you really that stupid?
The British North America ACT, or BNA ACT,
is the law of the land for Canada from 1867 to
1982. Period.
The Sheriff was established outside that act on 1991,
because of the Conservative Government, who had
dellusions of grandeur, and thought the way you do.
The Sheriff's only benefit today as the ACT was introduced
was that the Sheriff relieved the RCMP from a lot of
mundane court duties that required a lot of manpower.
Even then, the Sheriff defined in the ACT in Canada
is again defined as basically a Court Gopher with powers of
arrest, and basic bookkeeping and criminal
transportation within the Court System, and that's
it. Nothing else.
In Canada, the North West Mount Police was/is the policing
regiment for Canada, and *NO* provision for Sherrif's
were ever provided for within the BNA. None existed
in Canada until 1991, dopey, and that is *fact*.
Therefore, you lose this argument, and not only do you
now stand corrected, you've now become more informed.
>>> THe RCMP;
>>
>>
>>> The NWMP was created by Sir John A MacDonald, under the
>>> Authority of QUEEN Vitoria, who ruled Britian from 1837
>>> to 1901, which supercedes his laws and rules passed
>>> on those dates you mentioned. These were basically
>>> a horse infantry regiment(company) with powers to arrest.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you should do some more reading, because then you might discover
>> that Queen Victoria is a decendant of the British Crown that is bound to the
>> Charter i referred you to, and that police powers were granted as a duty of
>> the Crown to maintain the peace and enforce the common law.
Know what dumb shit, you pissed me off so much I
actually took a look and researched what your
meger reference pointed too. Your a really
dumb shit, you know that? Read further.
Too bad that Charter I of the Magna Carta that you
mentioned was revoked in 1856, not only under the
Queens'personal authority, but also under the
auspices of the British Parliment, who represent the
people, for whom the act Magna Carta was originally
written for.
Since the Lawyers of that day demanded that the
old feudal laws be either updated, trashed,
abolished, and or repealed,they did so with the
Queen's blessing.
Now, as I recall stupid, the only chapters of the Magna
Carta that still do exist are Chapters 1, 13, 37, 39.
And they read as such;
- Chapter 1 only promises "freedom for the
English Church,"
- Chapter 13 (9 in the 1225 version), guaranteed the
City of London its ancient liberties and free customs,
- Chapter 39 Chapter 39 (29 in the 1225 Charter) was
the key provision in Magna Carta, curbing the
crown's power to pursue individuals beyond the law,
And finally...
- Chapter 37, found only in the 1225 Charter,
contained a clause important for the perpetuity of Magna
Carta's liberties, 'and if anything contrary to this
[charter] is procured from anyone, it shall avail
nothing and be held for nought',
Good try for trying to create your own idea of
what the Magna Carta actually is though.
You aren't fooling me, or anybody else here in this newsgroup
that has access to a library and the internet, idiot.
Your stupid ideas of how life and law *should be* is
over 800 years out of date, and probably with reality
as well.
All I can recommend is that you wake up, and catch up
with the times.
After all, your already using a computer, asswipe, not
hemp paper, on which the "charter" was written on.
Dumb ass.
>>> The name "Royal" was added to the Mounties after the
>>> Mounties moved their Headquarters to Ottawa from
>>> Winnipeg by KING Edward VII in 1904 which superceded
>>> Queen Victoria's naming of NorthWest Mounted Police Regiment
>>> to Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
>>
>>
>>
>> ROTFL! Like that means SFA!
It means everything. Your ideas are worth complete
shit here, in this forum. I've backed myself up and
actually read and researched it; It's very obvious to
me that you haven't.
>>> Our Constitution in Canada was signed and Delivered by
>>> P.E.T. in 1984, by QUEEN Elizabeth II, and Canada
>>> was no longer a British Dominion, and therefore, the
>>> Laws of our lands are now are own.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Queen did not pass a Constitution in 1984 [or 1982 for that matter] -
>> she passed an ACT [Canada Act, 1982] of the Legislative Assembly of the
>> United Kingdom - we already have a constitution from the Crown that is
>> eternal.
>>
>> Constitutions that establish republician goverments [which we don't have in
>> Canada] are what the public ratify in order to grant authority [by consent]
>> to a government as a license to perform their duties and responsibilities
>> [to serve us] as protectors of OUR individual rights and liberty. End of
>> f#%king story, Mate!
>>
>> If you manage to find a copy of the Canada Act, i suggest you read section
>> 31 of the Act, and you will see it did nothing regarding legislative powers,
>> and if it did infringe our Charter we would be perfectly within our rights
>> to ignore any law passed by the Legislature. [Read also section 26]
I actually have the BNA ACT and the Canada Constitution Act in a
book, boxed away. Thanks for telling me what you were referring
to, so I took a day to reply reading them last night;
They don't mention anything that you just stated, so I'm very
sad to re-inform you again and again that your wrong.
Face it Tyler, your just a mental case or a stupid twit.
>> So you are quite full of sh#t on everything you have said.. I'm actually a
>> little embarassed for you after reading your UTTER tripe in TWO posts in the
>> same day now!
So I guess the Canadian Government is full of shit?
You better take a look at those reference site again,
chuckles. I'll give you a head start as to where to
start updating yourself.
http://canada.gc.ca/main_e.html
>> And here is something else you are undoubtedly incapable of
>> comprehending.......
>>
>> "Here is a law which is above the King and Parliament, and which even He and
>> They must not and may not legally break. And in the event they or anyone
>> else were to try to abrogate it, such attempt at abrogation shall have no
>> force nor effect [1297] and can be safely ignored with no legal ill effect.
>> In addition, in the event of successful attempts at abrogation of such
>> liberties, customs, or rights, the King has commanded and do hereby compel
>> any and all subjects to swear oath to join the barons to assail the
>> properties and persons and families of those (saving the King, Queen and the
>> royal children) who had successfully completed such abrogation, including
>> but not limited to that of the individual Members of Parliament who had
>> voted in favour of any such successful attempts at abrogation [1215]. This
>> reaffirmation of a supreme law and its expression in a general charter is
>> the great work of Magna Carta; and this alone justifies the respect in which
>> men have held it."
>>
>>
>> --Quote by Sir Winston Churchill, 1956
You still don't get it.
What Churchill meant when he said
these words; that the Magna Carta's spirit of the law be mandated
that 'Justice be to none denied or delayed' be part of the
British Constitution for "humane rights of the individual" so
that no miscarriage of law that would cause and injustice would
befall him/her or that the law run over them.
And that's it. If your feeble mind reads more into
that this this simple statement, then you are a truely
fucked up individual, Tyler. Go get an education, or go to work.
People like you are people Canadian should shun from
society, or deport enmasse since all you represent
here are your own demands for your feeble needs and wants
for yourself, not society as a whole.
Face, it, your an asshole, you just don't know it yet.
notritenoteri
always.
You don't think and never will If you did you wouldn't keep up your childish
accusations of child abuse etc. You're the guy with the problem. I don't
have it. You're the one that had your ego bruised in court. You're the one
whose wife bent him over the barrel and put the broom handle to him. My
relationship is perfectly fine with my spouse and children.
Not supporting your wacko allegations has nothing to do with cowardice or
bravery. Like most of the things you say you're confused -- again.
"Carilzinki Spatuskin" <Carilzinki Spatuskin.@maximum..thuder.ott.gc.nic.co>
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