Militant fathers' group to run for election
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
Party's that use sexist and bigoted policy's on fathers and their Children,
as Fathers4Justice Canada is growing more and more every day in Canada, and
those fathers are getting fed up with these Liberal Political potato heads
and other political party's and there political potato heads that abuse
fathers and their children in their political correct system.
In the last 14 years, I have heard from so many men, fathers, that are fed
up with the bias they receives in Canada's courts and by these sexist bigot
Governments. That Father Rights groups are starting to form Political
Party's here and abroad to counter the Feminazi propaganda fed to the masses
by those who do not care about children and their fathers and which to
criminalize them.
Letters to: let...@guardian.co.uk
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/byelections/story/0,11043,1301893,00.html
Militant fathers' group to run for election
John Martin
Friday September 10, 2004
Fathers' action group Fathers4Justice is planning to field a candidate
against Labour in the Hartlepool by-election, SocietyGuardian.co.uk can
reveal.
The controversial organization, which launched a flour attack on the prime
minister in the House of Commons in June, has decided to adopt a more
constitutional approach by challenging the Labour candidate in Peter
Mandelson's old seat. The group's management committee decided on Monday to
field the candidate in the election which will take place on September 30,
the last day of the Labour party conference. If the campaign is successful
it could lead to more than 200 Fathers4Justice candidates challenging Labour
in marginal seats at the next general election.
Matt O'Connor, the spokesman for Fathers4Justice, said: "We will see how it
goes in Hartlepool - we will use it to cut our teeth and see how we go on.
"At the very least we would like to see 200 candidates across the UK."
The group is calling for equal rights for fathers in child contact cases
after divorce or separation. "Our position is we will be actively
campaigning in Hartlepool against any candidate that does not support the
presumption of shared parenting," said Mr O'Connor. "We will encourage
parties not to vote Labour and Liberal Democrat at the by-election. Labour
is now our No 1 target.
"We are shifting our fire power now towards the Labour party and the Labour
party machine." He went on: "300,000 children last year lost contact with
their fathers. That is why there has been an explosion in youth crime; that
is why there is the need for all these antisocial behaviour orders.
"Far from being tough on crime, we are saying Labour is the cause of crime."
He said that at the next election, the party's strategy was to target
marginal seats where candidates were against the presumption of shared
parenting.
If the finances could not be raised in time for the Hartlepool campaign, Mr
O'Connor said his group would encourage people to vote Conservative.
"The Conservative party is the only party to broadly support our aims," he
said. Jack O'Sullivan, the for the more moderate Fathers Direct, said: "I
would
welcome seeing fatherhood raised as a political issue and it is a good thing
to see Fathers 4 Justice taking part in responsible campaigning. "I would
rather see them standing as candidates than standing on top of
Tower Bridge."
A spokesman for Iain Wright, Labour's candidate in Hartlepool, said:
"Anybody is entitled to put up a candidate but I wouldn't have thought this
intervention will have much of an impact on the campaign.
"The issues here are who has the best policies to deal with the crime and
antisocial behaviour on people's doorsteps.
"I would be very surprised if they attract many votes at all."
________________________________________________________
***COMMENT***: "Iain Wright is one of these terrorist deadbeat political
potato heads and socialist types, that would like to see fatherhood kept in
the dark, all for radical feminism in Government policy's as there agenda is
to keep the abuse coming forward in the courts. This Labour's Party does not
want the public to know about their governments terrorist and abusive
behaviour agenda on those fathers and their children, while they use there
Ignorance and Malice to justify government child abuse. "
David Deilley
wrote
> This could serve as a warning to the Federal Liberals and other Political
Ha! Ha!
Nothing YOU do could serve as a warning to the government - you are
the world's most incompetent, ineffective activist. If I was a father
looking for justice, I would strongly suspect you of working for the
enemy - deliberately setting out to make the movement look ridiculous.
To beging with, the British Fathers for Justice are an articulate lot,
who know how to use language to move people and make a compelling
case. You, on the other hand, seem only capable of broken sentences
and school yard taunts.
The other thing you are forgetting is that the last time the
Libertarians ran in BC they were essentially single-issue fathers'
rights Libertarians, and they got their asses kicked (after which the
ever-competent Mr. Wiebe forgot to file the required reports, and got
them de-listed.)
You and your posse of welfare libertarians are about as electable as
Bill the Cat.
Pfffffzzzzt!
notritenoteri
what Fathers Fore-Skins does in the UK don't matter squat in Canada. I
thought your were already organized andyou are certainly a revolting type.
HOws the big campaign for "a gun for every father" coming along?
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> "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> wrote
>
> > This could serve as a warning to the Federal Liberals and other
Political
>
> Ha! Ha!
> Nothing YOU do could serve as a warning to the government -
Davidism, you must have reading problem's again or your medication has run
out..
The issue is about F4J Canada, it's members, not myself, you fucking moron.
The rest of your stupidity is snipped, as your the same fellow who's
stupidity stated so many times in NG, that you no nothing of the issues or
do you care about fathers or their children and you keep remaining as always
ignorant, using your socialist malice...
You sure do indeed make useful socilaist idiot for government terrorists,
while booting licking their stupidity.
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"notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
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> fwankly fwank,
> what Fathers Fore-Skins does in the UK don't matter squat in Canada.
Alice, open your eyes and take the cotton out of your head, you no mind...
Canada's F4J growing membership has a lot to do with F4J in the UK.
I believe Tyler has pointed out what's wrong with your stupidity, "lay off
the booze and drugs"
as you become like Davidism, your both retarded.
Wayne Johnson
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
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> Party's that use sexist and bigoted policy's on fathers and their Children,
> as Fathers4Justice Canada is growing more and more every day in Canada, and
> those fathers are getting fed up with these Liberal Political potato heads
> and other political party's and there political potato heads that abuse
> fathers and their children in their political correct system.
>
> In the last 14 years, I have heard from so many men, fathers, that are fed
> up with the bias they receives in Canada's courts and by these sexist bigot
> Governments. That Father Rights groups are starting to form Political
> Party's here and abroad to counter the Feminazi propaganda fed to the masses
> by those who do not care about children and their fathers and which to
> criminalize them.
The Flying Fathers Cathoic Priest Hockey team never allowed Feminazi's into the
dressing room. I support that.
Feminazi's hate Women. Women are just taking men's jobs in the workplace so they
can buy fancy hairdos and lipstick.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
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Actually it's a bit more then that, and according to these feminiazi's and
their government partners, "what they want is to
criminalize men, boys, and even those good loving women, who stand by the
family unit..."
Which is why those speaking and forming political fathers rights parties,
will make a difference in Canada and over-sea's.
After all, the hundred's of thousand's of fathers screwed over by the
socialist system makes it easier to happen.
Feminazi's are bent on hell making sure those who oppose their sexist and
bigoted criminal agenda, which is based on them promoting hate crimes on
those who speak out, (gender don't matter), are all rotting in their make
shift camps, awaiting their sentences to be carried out.
Have a look, at these Liberals and Feminazi's, and what they really want in
Canada..
I'm very sure they all sit around with there tin foil cone caps racking
their brains on how to fuck over the laws and it citizen's
http://www.fathers.ca/status_of_women_lies.htm
http://magic-city-news.com/article_2061.shtml
_________________________________________________
"The Right One"
They are now called WMD.
Woman of Mass Destruction
--
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.org
Q-Why are lefties like turkeys?
A-When one gobbles all the
rest follow suit.
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notritenoteri
couldn't convince a guy with diarrhea to shit let alone someone with any
sense to join you in political activities of any kind.
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
notritenoteri
you got something correct for once; NOBODY CARES! You gombas got yourself
into pissing contests with your ex partners for one reason or another, most
likely because your thought you were smarter and better and you got skinned.
That's tough shit, again, NOBODY CARES!
There are two sides to every story and if you believe that people with any
intelligence are going to believe just your version of events you have a
serious mental condition that requires you to get some assistance.
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> fwanky, you are just one little zit in a very big set of pimples.
That's it.........that's all you can say about children being harmed by
government child abusers.
Sad............very sad, I feel sorry for you Alice..
You
> couldn't convince a guy with diarrhea to shit let alone someone with any
> sense to join you in political activities of any kind.
I see your still excited about the shit thing you got going, have you
thought about
joining a NDP crapping club or something...
notritenoteri
mass at all to be destructed.
""The Right One"" <nosoc...@right.net> wrote in message
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> There is a new term starting to float about for the feminazies
> They are now called WMD.
> Woman of Mass Destruction
>
>
> --
> Terry Pearson
leading AB asshole
and
Liberal helpmate
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> Fwanky,
> you got something correct for once; NOBODY CARES!
Well Nototbright in the head, people do care "Children and descent women and
fathers, girl and boys, unlike you another socialist scab with no common
sense what's so ever..
It only a matter of time before the government, ends up getting what they
deserve.
Get used to it Gumby, thing are going to change one way or another, count on
it..
I've snip the rest of your drunken stupidity...and drooling on yourself.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> and you probably work to afford to get your balls lacquered!
Wow, I'll bet you work hard at your stupidity.
notritenoteri
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
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> fwanky tell us about these govt child abusers and why they are so heinous.
Your the same person, who said children in Russia that where butchered by
idiots, should die because they had no rights.
What an moron........!!!!!!!!!!
David Deilley
wrote
>
> fathers, girl and boys, unlike you another socialist scab with no common
> sense what's so ever..
People might be convinced to care - but never, never, never if you are
the one doing the convincing. Every word that you write undermines
public support for the issue because it sounds like it's just a bunch
of nutbars.
If you really wanted to help divorced fathers you would shut the fuck
up, and leave the missionary work to those who are actually capable of
speaking in full sentences and dealing speaking without sounding like
Bill the Cat on impure crystal meth.
David Deilley
wrote
>
> will make a difference in Canada
We had a Fathers' Rights party (under the Libertarian banner) in the
1996 BC provincial election, and they got their asses kicked because
they were the same bunch of nutbars who carry that torch in this
newsgroup. I believe the official view of the nutbars was that "the
voters are stupid."
So -- you're wrong. They WILL NOT make a differnce in Canada.
Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling
Someone posting under the name of "a" said it all on Friday.
He said that Mark Hansel had made a good point for a change, but his ludicrous and
extreme rants prior to that post had already caused discredit to his cause.
He was right.
If I were in a social situation and some asshole used the word "feminazi", I'd snap
him like a twig.
I may have agreed with his concerns, but ostentatious and rampant radical bull shit
fuels the fire and sets people like me against people who act that way. It isn't a
case of "you're either with us or against us" when it comes to people who speak in
those terms.
He says that he's an Attorney? He must be one of the worst Lawyers on the planet.
notritenoteri
to pull your chain.
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you mean decent you illiterate SOB.
Are you an alcoholic Fwanky? You keep mentioning drunkenness.
BTW shit is best noun I can think of to describe you that is why I use it
and various synonyms in making reference to you.
Hold your breath for the changes Fwanky, hold your breath.
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rewound or whatever it is that will improve your capacity to comprehend.
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
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> wrote
> >
> > Well Nototbright in the head, people do care "Children and descent women
and
> > fathers, girl and boys, unlike you another socialist scab with no common
> > sense what's so ever..
>
> People might be convinced to care - but never, never, never if you are
> the one doing the convincing.
Gee Davidism, for someone who hates children and fathers and loves corrupt
Liberals, and is another socialist yappy mutt,
you sure have no clue about fatherhood do you. . Well that's no surprise, as
it is you'll try to look even more stupid, just to
be nottobrights new lover.... after all, you only care about your political
correct gayness and that's
why you keep trying to undermine families and children in this country.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> wrote
> >
> > Which is why those speaking and forming political fathers rights
parties,
> > will make a difference in Canada
>
> We had a Fathers' Rights party (under the Libertarian banner) in the
> 1996 BC provincial election, and they got their asses kicked because
> they were the same bunch of nutbars who carry that torch in this
> newsgroup. I believe the official view of the nutbars was that "the
> voters are stupid."
care to post any facts, instead of looking like the yappy mutt again,
besides being the useful idiot..
most political parties have family law policys of some kind, well except you
liberal types
who main goal for your feminazi freinds, is to help undermind familes and
children in Canada and set forth policy's to criminalize fathers for your
gay policial correct aganda and stupidity.
You may go fuck you new lover nototbright in the ass Davidism, it is what
you do best. .
>
> So -- you're wrong. They WILL NOT make a differnce in Canada.
Gee David you must be really frightened little small minded bigot, about
stuff like a fathers rights political party.
You can't stop the hundred of thousands of fathers that are jumping on board
as they are fed up with common
government criminals and stupid people like you socialist types that support
child abuse by government scumbags.
Go get a real life Davidism, and stay on your medication, you can claim your
were too stupid, to know what you were doing
or saying. Learn the issues first as you said you know nothing of the issues
nor do you care..
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
"Sir Arthur Streeb-Greebling" <bil...@fetivus.com> wrote in message
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> Someone posting under the name of "a" said it all on Friday.
> He said that Mark Hansel had made a good point for a change, but his
ludicrous and
> extreme rants prior to that post had already caused discredit to his
cause.
>
>
> He was right.
No he was not, he was another Liberal type like you, who claim all kinds of
crap, but when the day is over,
and all your cheap talk about how bad it is, not one of you Liberal
supporting moron's have had
the guts or courage to set things right for fathers or their children.. What
really bothers you socialist types
is that I will not be quiet on these issues, as you all prefer to see things
never change and keep right on criminalizing
fathers and removing their children..
It is you Liberal and NDP types, that stab the people in the back, to keep
your political correct agenda's on track while
using ignorance and malice to justify the cause and excuse your stupidity.
You not worried about children in this country,
you only care about appeasing those feminazi scum and I know for fact you
clowns are not fooling anyone and I will keep on
exposing you fuckers on every level.
While you all express concern about the issues, Not one of you people have
come foreword in your Liberal Government or NDPissers to make any changes
for families and children, instead you keep right on making sexist and
bigoted policy's. Your too concerned about the billion dollars you rake in
on people's misery and keeping the cash flow coming using your corruption,
and greed..
> If I were in a social situation and some asshole used the word "feminazi",
I'd snap
> him like a twig.
You gutless bag of shit, you couldn't snap anything, but do try, you might
get a big surprise..
>
> I may have agreed with his concerns, but ostentatious and rampant radical
bull shit
> fuels the fire and sets people like me against people who act that way.
You mean you gutless and cowardly types who hide behind your socialist
political correct propaganda.
Get over it, you can stop the serious issues from coming forward as too many
people now standing up
to take you fasict pricks on...
And you have the nerve and gull to complain about myself, while your own
Liberal Government and the RCMPimps,
promote druglords in this country, or political potato heads in the Liberal
government steal billion's of tax payers money...
Just who the fuck do you think you are or fooling there buddy, your a wind
bag. Stop abusing children lives with your
bullshit government ignorant policy's and have the guts to stand up and say
no more.
It isn't a
> case of "you're either with us or against us" when it comes to people who
speak in
> those terms.
>
> He says that he's an Attorney? He must be one of the worst Lawyers on
the planet.
LOL's, it shows what you know asshole, you socialist pricks, think you have
all the answers,
but when the push come to the crunch, you run and hide like the gutless
cowards you are.
Where I will stand behind my convictions, unlike you.
David Deilley
> why you keep trying to undermine families and children in this country.
YOU undermine divorced fathers with your poor leadership and inept propaganda.
David Deilley
> He says that he's an Attorney?
> He must be one of the worst Lawyers on the planet.
He's not an attorney -- but he does rush in as an unofficial paralegal
when divorced (or divircing) men can't afford a lawyer and are
desparate enbough to take advice from somone who cannot write two
cohenent sentences in a row - let alone prepare a compelling legal
brief.
notritenoteri
BTW are there no fathers in the Liberals? I'd have though that the sets
fathers and Liberals would have some overlap but then your from a different
planet so maybe the sets theory is different on planet fwank?
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do you realize what a fool you appear to be? You write phrases like "You not
worried about children in this country,
which borders on the incoherent. You write like some maniac who has lost
control of his mind. DO you really expect anyone to take you seriously? DO
you expect anyone who has legitimate complaints and issues that should be
resolved to have anything to do with someone of your ilk? Raving lunatics
very seldom achieve anything except to get themselves ignored no matter how
relevant or important their issues.
Don't you realize that there's a whole group of people in the NG that just
love to poke you and watch you spin? They don't give a shit about your
issues and concerns they just want to see how much a fool you'll make of
yourself; again. The amazing thing is you very seldom disappoint. You are a
continued source of entertainment just like bear baiting except your the
bear and always losing.
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Davidism being that your the biggest clown in NG and the same person who
claims he knows nothing of father rights issues, let alone even being a
parent ***(growing scab's in a cup doesn't count)** and claims he not
interested in this issue of fathers rights you sure seem to have serious
problem with your Liberal stupidity understanding the issue, (DAVIDISM IT'S
NOT ABOUT ME)
Can you understand that or will your small pea brain go off hiding again,
you dumb fuck.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> BTW are there no fathers in the Liberals?
Boy that drinking problem you have, is really serious, I guess they all had
their nuts cut off like you.
Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
David, if you know so much about myself, post my address and phone number.
Oh right, liars and criminals all stick together, like your Liberals.
notritenoteri
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go fall down bitch, it about all you can do.
If you can't deal with the real issues, then fuck off.
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notritenoteri
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote
notritenoteri
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"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
David Deilley
wrote
>
> not one of you Liberal
> supporting moron's have had
> the guts or courage to set things right
> for fathers or their children..
Neither have you.
I have asked you several times tom point to one change for the better
in the lives of divorced fathers that was directly caused by your
activism, and the best you have been able to do is tell me how much
you enjoyed telling an NDP candidate for office to "Fuck off."
You are the world's most useless activist.
> What
> really bothers you socialist types
> is that I will not be quiet on these issues,
Give the nature of what you say it is divorced fathers who should want
you to be quiet, because you make the entire movement look like idiots
with your semi-literate scrawlings and your infantile insults.
> It is you Liberal and NDP types, that stab the people in the back,
It is you who have stabbed your own cause in the back by failing to
represent it in a way that would increase public support for reform.
> You not worried about children in this country,
I am most worried about the children who are home-skoold by a
semi-literate, emotionally-stunted defective human being like you.
> you only care about appeasing those feminazi
> scum and I know for fact you
> clowns are not fooling anyone and I will keep on
> exposing you fuckers on every level.
You are not clever or articulate anough to "expose" anthing except
your own dick at a crowded shopping mall.
> While you all express concern about the issues, Not one of you people have
> come foreword in your Liberal Government or NDPissers to make any changes
> for families and children, instead you keep right on making sexist and
> bigoted policy's. Your too concerned about the billion dollars you rake in
Gee - I must have missed the billion dollars. Damn - I probably could
have retired. DO YOU REALIZE HOW STUPID YOU SOUND. THIS IS EXACTLY
WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY YOU DISCREDIT THE CAUSE.
> You gutless bag of shit, you couldn't snap anything, but do try, you might
> get a big surprise..
What? That you're too limp to "snap." No surprise there.
> Where I will stand behind my convictions, unlike you.
How? By changing your name in this newsgroup once a week. The only
thing you stand behind is delusional thinking.
David Deilley
wrote
> "David Deilley" <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote
> > "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> > wrote
> > >
> > > Which is why those speaking and
> > > forming political fathers rights
> > > parties, will make a difference in Canada
> >
> > We had a Fathers' Rights party (under the Libertarian banner) in the
> > 1996 BC provincial election, and they got their asses kicked because
> > they were the same bunch of nutbars who carry that torch in this
> > newsgroup. I believe the official view of the nutbars was that "the
> > voters are stupid."
>
> care to post any facts,
I just did. What's your point?
> > So -- you're wrong. They WILL NOT make a differnce in Canada.
>
> You can't stop the hundred of thousands
> of fathers that are jumping on board
You will never, ever get "hundreds of thousands" of fathers to follow
YOU anywhere. You are too stupid, too emotionally stunted and too
abrasive to get more than a hundred to stick around more than a month.
First you invent an imaginary "lawsuite," now you are inventing an
imaginary political party. What's next -- an imaginary high school
diploma?
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
>
> I have asked you several times tom point to one change for the better
> in the lives of divorced fathers that was directly caused by your
> activism, and the best you have been able to do is tell me how much
> you enjoyed telling an NDP candidate for office to "Fuck off."
>
> You are the world's most useless activist.
Daivid, go hump your stupidity on an issue you are interested in and stop
abusing fathers and children with your god dam stupidity.
It not about me David, it about Justice issues, you flake...
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> wrote
>
> > "David Deilley" <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote
>
> > > "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> > > wrote
> > > >
> > > > Which is why those speaking and
> > > > forming political fathers rights
> > > > parties, will make a difference in Canada
> > >
> > > We had a Fathers' Rights party (under the Libertarian banner) in the
> > > 1996 BC provincial election, and they got their asses kicked because
> > > they were the same bunch of nutbars who carry that torch in this
> > > newsgroup. I believe the official view of the nutbars was that "the
> > > voters are stupid."
> >
> > care to post any facts,
>
> I just did.
No you didn't and if you knew me you would have known, that I was never with
the libertarian party at all.
As a matter of Fact I was invould with the Liberals at one time you goofy
moron.
It just goes to show, not only are you a liar..... but you are a flake
also........
Now post a political issue that you can handle you twit, something easy for
you, and please do take your medication.
notritenoteri
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
>
> First you invent an imaginary "lawsuite," now you are inventing an
> imaginary political party. What's next -- an imaginary high school
> diploma?
David have you smoked to much camel shit or something, first off I can't
help your stupidity, it's your life.
You can believe what you wish, it's your useless socialist stupidity,
getting the better of you.
And yes David, their is a civil suit on the Federal government and on your
friends the Radical militant feminazis, and yes David, fathers rights people
are forming political parties to counter idiots in Government and the
radical feminazi movement who smoke too much camel shit also.
Now be a good little medicated moron, and just keep your wishful fantasys
you have within your socialist movement will you.
We all got better things to do, then baby-sit stupid people like you, and
nototbright. I will not hold your hands and teach you baby steps on every
issue. Have a nice day you hear boy.
notritenoteri
the fathers fore-skins or what not? What a great way to further the cause.
WHats next burning churches? Good think it wasn't TOronto they probably
would have just been shot as terrorist pigeons
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
in message news:Nhn1d.4709$XP3.2261@edtnps84...
Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN Frank Rivers.......
> fwanky I just saw the two protestors got picked off BUckingham palace.
Were
> the fathers fore-skins or what not? What a great way to further the cause.
> WHats next burning churches?
You a bit behind the times, no mind...have another drink, it keep you
stupid.
Good think it wasn't TOronto they probably
> would have just been shot as terrorist pigeons
I hear some good thing are going to happen there. :-)
http://www.fathers.ca/in_the_name_of_the_church.htm
Political Commentary
In the Name of the Church, and how it has betrayed fathers and their
children, and how religion has betrayed God and the ten commandments.
From: Matthew O'Connor
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:25:25 +0100
Subject: Sermon Points
The following are the bullet points for the sermon I gave in York Minster on
Sunday though I ad-libbed a lot around these not least to include the used
car salesman analogy (you buy a marriage but you get no after sales service
and when the engine blows up and you get divorced the church is nowhere to
be seen) and added some more poignant elements.
I doubt a transcript of what I exactly said exists!!!
It got a warm round of applause at the end not that you'd guess that from
some of the press reports.
Regards
Matt
------------------------------------------------
We are members of the campaign group Fathers 4 Justice,
We are here today in the name of the father; In the name of truth; In the
name of justice,, In the name of our children, In the name of love. And we
would like to ask you, using the first words of the Baptism,
In the name of the father what religion would
1) Allow 100 kids every day
2) Put profits (Ł25 million) in front of principles by using a marketing
push for more church weddings
3) Provide NO help to children desperate to see their fathers
4) Fail to defend and protect the sacred bond
5) Conspire to deny dads access to the Baptism of their children
6) Fail Fathers, fail families and fail children
7) Immoral, an outrage what faith can we have in a church that stands by
and allows the breaking of that sacred bond?
8) This is our Baptism a Baptism of Fire, A Baptism of Pain, A Baptism of
Suffering
9) We are disciples of truth and justice and we will NOT stand by and watch
this happen
What has the church and the Synod done? In 1991 the Synod said that it was
concerned about the rate of family breakdown and the effect on a large
proportion of the countryąs children so where are you?
Where is the church when it is needed most?
You have been found wanting. You have neglected this nationąs children. You
have failed families yet still promote church marriages to line your own
pockets safe in the knowledge that when those marriages collapse you will
abandon any responsibility to that family.
SHAME ON YOU
We ask today forgive us for disrupting this service, we pray that the church
now helps fight this injustice and heal the pain, heal the suffering, heal
the anguish of children and fathers alike. Deliver us from the evil of the
Family Law injustice.
Thank you.
_____________________________________________________________________
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1142644,00.html
SKY NEWS - U.K.
Last Updated: 22:48 UK , Sunday July 11, 2004
"FATHERS DISRUPT SYNOD"
The protest in York
Two members of the fathers' rights group Fathers 4 Justice have staged a
10-hour rooftop protest on York Minster.
Dressed as members of the clergy, the two men were braving the wind and rain
in a standoff with police.
They had climbed on the roof of the historic cathedral via scaffolding as
other members of the direct action group stormed the Communion service for
the Church of England's General Synod.
In the melee, as staff tried to keep the protesters out, an internal glass
door was allegedly broken and a member of staff assaulted. North Yorkshire
Police arrested 12 members of Fathers 4 Justice on suspicion of assault and
criminal damage but two remained on the roof before voluntarily climbing
down.
A police spokesman said: "The two people that had climbed the Minster have
now come down and they have been arrested on suspicion of assault, criminal
damage and wasting police time. "That brings the total number of arrests to
14. The first 12 who were arrested have been bailed to return at a later
date. "When the other two have been interviewed they will also be bailed."
The Church of England condemned the Fathers 4 Justice protest, which follows
other high-profile stunts such as throwing flour-filled condoms at Tony
Blair during Prime Minister's Question Time. The group was protesting at the
Church's failure to take the lead in lobbying the Government over parents
who are denied access to their children by the courts.
© 2004 BSkyB
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3189075
THE SCOTSMAN
Sun 11 Jul 2004
'Minster Protest in the Name of the Father"
By Rod Minchin , PA News
Fathers' rights group Fathers 4 Justice today brought chaos to the
traditional Sunday service of the Church of England's General Synod when
members stormed York Minster and climbed on to its roof. Dressed as vicars,
nuns and monks, around a dozen members of the group attempted to force entry
into the Communion service being held in the historic cathedral. Eight
members of the group charged into York Minster but in the melee, as staff
tried to keep the protesters out, an internal glass door was allegedly
broken and a member of the Minster police assaulted.
Fathers 4 Justice founder Matt O'Connor was dragged out of the Minster
after being rugby tackled while making his way to the pulpit. The group was
protesting at the Church's failure to take the lead in lobbying the
Government over parents who are denied access to their children by the
courts. Mr O'Connor was later allowed back into York Minster to address
those gathered for the service. The scenes mirrored last year's protest by
gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell and his Outrage! group disrupted a
session of the General Synod.
North Yorkshire Police arrested 12 people on suspicion of assault and
criminal damage. Sergeant Martin Metcalfe said: "We were called to a group
allegedly forcing entry to the Minster where a door was damaged and someone
was allegedly assaulted." The Church of England immediately condemned the
group's protest, which follows other high-profile stunts such as throwing
purple flour-filled condoms at Tony Blair during Prime Minister's Question
Time.
Before the protest began, senior members of the Anglican Church, including
the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and the Archbishop of York,
Dr David Hope, filed into the Minster unaware of the fate that was to befall
them. The Very Reverend Keith Jones, the Dean of York, condemned the
"violent intrusion". He told reporters outside York Minster: "We deeply
regret the violent intrusion into a place of Christian worship and witness -
that should not have happened. "No doubt there are real issues at stake for
these individuals. They have been given an opportunity to share their
concerns with the congregation here.
"But there has also been personal injury and damage to a place of worship
which preaches the eternal message of healing, justice and compassion for
all and that has to be deplored strongly." Mr O'Connor was dragged out of
the service by members of the cathedral's staff. As he picked himself off
the floor, he shouted: "Shame on you. Justice for fathers. "Remember half a
million children are deprived of contact with their fathers and the Church
does nothing. Shame on you." He formed the group two years ago to campaign
against what it believes is the Government's failure to help fathers gain
access to their children through the courts. Speaking before his arrest, Mr
O'Connor told PA News: "We are here today to bring to the Church's attention
their failure to act upon one of the biggest injustices on this country.
"The Church promotes marriage but is not prepared to act when there is
breakdown between the parent and the child. The Church of England has a
moral obligation to do something. "In the past 18 months Fathers 4 Justice
has put the issue of children being denied access to their parents on to the
political agenda and now we want to put it on the theological agenda. "We
want to bring this issue to the attention of the General Synod and hope they
will act. This weekend they are not even debating this issue."
Mr O'Connor, who was among those arrested, compared his group's struggle
with that of the suffragettes. "A hundred years ago the suffragettes mounted
peaceful protests to campaign for the vote," he said. "People said then
women should not get the vote for doing this. However they won. "We are
committed to peaceful, non-violent protest." Two people remain on the roof,
where they unfurled a large banner.
©2004 Scotsman.com
Sent: July 11, 2004 5:27 AM
To: Dad4Justice
Subject: [EPOC_NEWS] FW: Press release: Fathers Arrested in Synod Protest at
YorkMinster
World lists:
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From: Matthew O'Connor
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:27:06 +0100
To: National Press 5 <>
Subject: Press release: Fathers Arrested in Synod Protest at York Minster
Press Release
11th July 2004
Fathers Arrested in Synod Protest at York Minster
Around 20 protestors from the campaign group Fathers 4 Justice (F4J), many
of whom were dressed as clergy, entered York Minster this morning and
disrupted the main Sunday Service during a sermon being given by one of the
senior members of the Church of England's Synod in protest about the
Churches' silence over the crisis in Family Law. Other protestors dressed as
clergy have scaled the roof of York Minster and unfurled a large banner with
the words 'In the Name of the Father'.
Protestors inside York Minster who were carrying pictures of their children
and 'In the Name of the Father' posters joined an Archbishop in the pulpit
during his sermon. Some protestors burnt posters whilst F4J founder Matt
O'Connor delivered a stinging rebuke of the Church of England and the Synod
for failing children and their fathers.
The protest ended with demonstrators singing hymn's as they were arrested
and carried out of York Minster by Police.
Fathers 4 Justice say they are targeting the Church for 3 reasons:
1) The Synod has put profits in front of principles by agreeing to a
concerted marketing push for more Church Weddings worth Ł25 million last
year when 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce yet the Church fails to help
families when breakdowns happen.
2) Many fathers who approach the Church in cases where they are being denied
all or partial contact with their children receive little or no help.
3) The Church is colluding with many mothers to either deny fathers access
to the baptism of their children, or failing to even try and ensure the
father is involved.
Said F4J spokesman Gary Burch 'The church has failed to defend the sacred
bond between parent and child and in turn has failed fathers, failed
families and most importantly failed children. Yet in the same week as the
Ray Parlour Judgement, the Synod has announced a concerted marketing push
for more Church Weddings to boost it's income. In short it is putting
profits in front of principles.'
'It is irresponsible of the Synod to promote marriage in this way when 1 in
2 marriages end in divorce and where this does happen the Church is often
reluctant to pick up the pieces of family breakdown. Many of our members are
complaining that Vicars neither want to get involved or even help out in
cases where fathers are denied access to their children.'
Said Mr Burch 'To pour more oil on the fire we have a catalogue of cases
where Vicars have either colluded with the mother to deny dads access to
their children's baptism or just simply acquiesced to mums decision that she
didn't want any contact with the father. It is immoral, it is an outrage and
the Church must act and act now.'
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=795302004
THE SCOTSMAN
12 July, 2004
"Church leader condemns fathers' stunt"
By ANGIE BROWN
A Fathers 4 Justice protester is removed from the scene of the disruption at
York Minster.
Pictures: John Giles/PA
Key points
. Protest action group that attacked Tony Blair condemned for latest stunt
. Protesters scale York Minster and one activist tackled inside the building
. 12 people arrested as lead protester allowed to address General Synod
Key quote
"No doubt there are real issues at stake for these individuals. They have
been given an opportunity to share their concerns with the congregation
here. But there has also been personal injury and damage to a place of
worship which preaches the eternal message of healing, justice and
compassion for all, and that has to be deplored strongly" - Very Reverend
Keith Jones, the Dean of York
Story in full
THE Church of England condemned a fathers' pressure group for a "violent
intrusion" during a service yesterday in York Minster where a member of
staff was understood to have been assaulted and a glass door broken. Dressed
as clergy and monks, about 20 members of Fathers 4 Justice entered the
cathedral during the annual service for the Anglican Church's General Synod,
its governing body.
The disruption happened in front of the church's most senior members
including its spiritual head, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams,
and during a sermon given by the Archbishop of York, Dr David Hope. The same
group that threw purple flour-filled condoms at Tony Blair in the House of
Commons in May stood in front of the altar holding photos of their children
until police arrived to remove them.
Fathers 4 Justice founder Matt O'Connor was taken out of the Minster after
being rugby-tackled to the floor while making his way to the pulpit. Other
protesters mounted the Minster's roof and unfurled a large banner reading
"In the Name of the Father". The group pulled the stunt to highlight what
they see as the Church's failure to help fathers denied access to their
children by former wives. The Very Rev Keith Jones, the Dean of York, said:
"We deeply regret the violent intrusion into a place of Christian worship
and witness - that should not have happened.
"No doubt there are real issues at stake for these individuals. They have
been given an opportunity to share their concerns with the congregation
here. But there has also been personal injury and damage to a place of
worship which preaches the eternal message of healing, justice and
compassion for all, and that has to be deplored strongly."
Over the past two years angry fathers have climbed bridges and blocked
traffic to press their case. As Mr O'Connor was taken out of the service
yesterday he shouted: "Shame on you. Justice for fathers. Remember half a
million children are deprived of contact with their fathers and the Church
does nothing. Shame on you." However, he was later allowed back into York
Minster to address those gathered for the service. The scenes mirrored last
year's protest by the gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell and his Outrage!
group at a session of the General Synod.
North Yorkshire police yesterday arrested 12 people on suspicion of assault
and criminal damage. They were later released on bail. Sergeant Martin
Metcalfe said: "We were called to a group allegedly forcing entry to the
Minster where a door was damaged and someone was allegedly assaulted."
Last night Zero Tolerance, the charity that campaigns to stop violence
against women and children, criticized the fathers' rights group for failing
to follow legal procedures. Margaret McGregor, chairwoman of Zero Tolerance,
said that usually a history of violence in the home caused judges to deny
fathers access. "There is always a good reason why fathers are not allowed
access to their children. Each case is judged on its merits and is looked at
very carefully. "It could be that some men have a history of violence and
are therefore denied access to their children."
She added: "I think the actions have been unacceptable at York Minster and
will cause more people to go against the group. We have moved on a long way
since the Suffragettes, so if they have a grievance they should work through
exactly what they think is unjust in a court room until they reach a
solution. "They can't just go smashing things in society and breaking the
law, especially if they want people to listen to them. This behaviour will
just be a turn-off for people."
Speaking before his arrest, Mr O'Connor said: "We want to wake the Church up
to its responsibility in this area. "The Church has failed to defend the
sacred bond between parent and child and in turn has failed fathers, failed
families and, most importantly, failed children. "Many of our members are
complaining that vicars neither want to get involved or even help out in
cases where fathers are denied access to their children. That is morally
bankrupt." Two men came down from the roof last night following a ten-hour
stand-off with police.
©2004 Scotsman.com
__________________________________________________________________
CHURCH TIMES: ANGRY FATHERS PLAN ST PAUL'S PROTEST
THE CHURCH TIMES, 9TH JULY 2004
Angry fathers plan St Paul's protest
by Bill Bowder
FATHERS 4 JUSTICE, a group of fathers campaigning for equal access to
children after a separation, plans to put 100 men on to the roof of St
Pauląs Cathedral, it emerged this week. It hopes to unfurl a banner
protesting: "In the Name of the Father".
The organizers admit that such an event would be "slightly controversial".
Past protests have seen fathers dressed as Spiderman and other "superheroes"
climbing on bridges and gantries and disrupting traffic.
The reason for the cathedral protest, the group says, is that the Church has
not done enough to support fathers. Matt OąConnor, founder of the group,
said this week that clergy were ignoring the rights of fathers when it came
to the baptism of children.
"The Church has not been supportive in case after case where a child has
been christened without the fatherąs knowing about it or being invited to
attend," he said.
"In the last few months I have had eight cases, seven Church of England and
one Roman Catholic, where sometimes very young fathers were not asked to the
christening," he said. "The clergy had not made any attempt to make contact
with them."
Mr OąConnor would not give further details of the proposed protest, except
that it would take place during the summer, and might include more than one
cathedral.
"We are fairly adroit at scaling things. There is easy access to St Pauląs.
Between 100 to 200 people may be involved, either spread out or maybe
focused.
"Lots of lads have written to the Archbishop of Canterbury and to Cardinal
Cormac Murphy-OąConnor in very polite terms, but have got nowhere. These
great institutions seem to be missing the integral and fundamental point
about the role of fathers and fatherhood in society."
St Pauląs Cathedral would not comment in detail about the campaign.
Nevertheless, a spokesman said: "We do not believe that any groupąs
interests would be best served by abusing public buildings and mounting
protests in a place of worship such as St Pauląs. If such a protest were to
take place, we would be most concerned to ensure health-and-safety
requirements were not breached."
Sue Burridge, a member of the Archbishopsą Counciląs Mission and Public
Affairs Division, admitted that the protesters could have a point. "Clergy
may have tried to contact a father, but been told by the mother that she
did not want any contact, and felt they could not push the matter," she
said.
nieuws Observer/news Observer today
Source: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1253638,00.html
Sunday July 4, 2004
The Observer
Fathers' rights group promises to target 'hypocritical' church. Fathers 4
Justice, the organization for the rights of fathers, is promising to step up
its campaign. The group, responsible for the flour-bombing of Tony Blair in
the Commons in May, is planning to target the Church of England and
politicians and will hold demonstrations to cause massive road chaos.
The Observer has learnt of plans to target St Paul's cathedral in London and
block the Severn bridge. The move comes despite the organization welcoming a
court decision yesterday to grant a father custody of his daughters after
the mother ignored contact orders for four years. 'There has been silence
from the church in support of fathers' rights,' said group founder Matt
O'Connor. 'There is hypocrisy from an organization that should be promoting
family values.'
FATHERS4JUSTICE NEWS
"How the Church Betrayed Fatherhood"
by Matthew O'Connor
Mon, 14 Jun 2004
Recently The Archbishop of Canterbury lent words of support to the tradition
of civil disobedience although whether he had in mind purple, self raising
flour filled condom throwing at our Prime Minister is another question
altogether. This protest, known fondly now by members of the civil rights
group Fathers 4 Justice (F4J) as the 'funpowder plot', was the latest in a
campaign which has been carefully mapped out over three years.
Ironically the protest provoked outrage from indignant MP's, many from the
Labour benches who seem to have forgotten the fact that this government was
forged in the fires of civil disobedience. The Tolpuddle Martyr's and the
Trade Union Movement to name but two. Lord Hoffman even recently said that
we had a long and honorable tradition of law breaking in this country. That
is after all how our democracy was formed.
Fathers Day this year is a pivotal moment for F4J and half way mark in a
campaign that is now embracing many mothers and grandparents separated from
their children and grandchildren. By the time you read this, one
grandfather, a retired lecturer from Bristol will have been on hunger strike
for nearly two weeks. We know little about this Siberia of the broken, the
outcasts of a generation of children separated from their parents in
Kafkaesque courts who operate under an omnipresent cloak of secrecy. In the
family courts, no one can hear you scream.
Yet why are fathers and many grandparents driven to such acts of
desperation? We seem as a society to care little. Our government and our
democracy have discarded these broken lives with total disregard for either
the consequence to the individual, or the long term consequences to society
as a whole.
There is of course one stunningly simple answer. There is a scared bond
between parent and child, between flesh and blood. One embodied in over
6,000 years of the family and woven into the very social fabric of our
society. What would you do if I came along in the street and took your
children from you? You would fight me. You would do everything physically in
your power to defend your children. You would probably injure me and maybe
even kill me to protect your own flesh and blood.
And yet fathers are somehow supposed to walk away. Disposable, dispensable,
disregarded. Yet we send those very same fathers off to a foreign land to
fight a phony war on behalf of a country that doesn't even afford them the
most basic of human rights - the right to be a father. In the UK you have no
automatic legal right to see your children, only a right to apply to a court
to see your children, should you have the misfortune to end up in an
acrimonious separation.
So fathers like me have turned on our politicians. They are morally
culpable. They have known for years what was happening yet did nothing. 'It
is a very complex matter dear boy' said a Tory grandee to me once.
Complicated? 6,000 years of the family, complicated?
So where do desperate dads turn to when democracy has failed them? Many turn
to the church. In most cases not only does the experience leave dads
embittered, it leaves them with a complete loss of faith in the sanctuary
that was once the church. What help did the Vicar who christened my children
give me when I had problems seeing my children? None. He was about as much
good as a poke in the eye with a sharp crucifix.
The unpalatable truth is that the church has betrayed fatherhood. Don't
believe me? Take a look at many christenings. Where is dad? In many
instances I know of, vicars have not even asked where or who the father was.
Who cares where he is? Who cares who he is? And when mum doesn't want dad
there, your friendly neighborhood vicar will happily oblige. So there, at
the font, is the answer. The Church of England is as morally culpable for
staying silent on this matter as our elected representatives are.
Now think the unimaginable. How long before fathers turn on the core faith
of this country for failing them and their kids and aim their ire against
religion? How long before we see protesting fathers hanging off the top of
St Paul's?
Shocked and outraged? You should be. What does the Church of England stand
for if it can't even defend it's very core, it's heart and soul - the
family? It stands for a redundant, anachronism with little direction or
grounding in contemporary society. Why? Because it can't even deliver the
first line of the Holy Trinity. Even the words you say when you make the
sign of the cross are empty and meaningless. 'In the name of the father.'
And in the name of the father 100 children lose contact with their dads
every day in this country in the family Courts. The responsibility lies with
our democracy and the deafening silence from the pulpit. Enough. No more.
The Church of England must find the faith to raise it's voice and act now
with the utmost urgency for the sake of all our children, and start acting
like a church that will defend the sacred bond between parent and child.
It should start this Fathers Day.
Matt O'Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice
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"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
message news:et21d.193649$X12.80094@edtnps84...
Notice he doesn't actually dispute the claim.
>
a
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
message news:eCZ0d.139161$A8.34344@edtnps89...
>
> "David Deilley" <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:5eed1cbb.0409...@posting.google.com...
> > "Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN>
> > wrote
> > >
> > > Which is why those speaking and forming political fathers rights
> parties,
> > > will make a difference in Canada
> >
> > We had a Fathers' Rights party (under the Libertarian banner) in the
> > 1996 BC provincial election, and they got their asses kicked because
> > they were the same bunch of nutbars who carry that torch in this
> > newsgroup. I believe the official view of the nutbars was that "the
> > voters are stupid."
>
> care to post any facts, instead of looking like the yappy mutt again,
> besides being the useful idiot..
That's rich comming from you, when asked to post some facts about the
Liberals supposed support for terrorists you merely say "It's on my website"
and refuse to post anything else. The poster you are replying to actually
posted that in 1996 there was a Libertarian campaign that ran on a Fathers
Rights platform that got defeted. Are you disputing this?
> most political parties have family law policys of some kind, well except
you
> liberal types
> who main goal for your feminazi freinds, is to help undermind familes and
> children in Canada and set forth policy's to criminalize fathers for your
> gay policial correct aganda and stupidity.
>
> You may go fuck you new lover nototbright in the ass Davidism, it is what
> you do best. .
>
> >
> > So -- you're wrong. They WILL NOT make a differnce in Canada.
>
> Gee David you must be really frightened little small minded bigot, about
> stuff like a fathers rights political party.
Hey Pot, Kettle here, you're black.
> You can't stop the hundred of thousands of fathers that are jumping on
board
> as they are fed up with common
> government criminals and stupid people like you socialist types that
support
> child abuse by government scumbags.
Good for them, I just hope thier smart enough to go somewhere other than to
you.
a
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
ROTFLMAO, after you claiming the Liberals were MY Liberals you come on here
and admit actual party affiliation with the Liberals, that makes them more
your Liberals then mine. Man, do you ever open your mouth without making an
ass of yourself?
a
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seas..cape.towers..GCAN> wrote
Allow 100 kids every day to do what?
>
> 2) Put profits (Ł25 million) in front of principles by using a marketing
> push for more church weddings
Gee shame on those nasty churches for encouraging church weddings.
>
> 3) Provide NO help to children desperate to see their fathers
What exactly would a church be able to do? How can they change government
rules?
>
> 4) Fail to defend and protect the sacred bond
In what way?
>
> 5) Conspire to deny dads access to the Baptism of their children
Conspire? In what way?
>
> 6) Fail Fathers, fail families and fail children
Hey, kind of like you eh Marky Mark?
>
> 7) Immoral, an outrage what faith can we have in a church that stands by
> and allows the breaking of that sacred bond?
>
> 8) This is our Baptism a Baptism of Fire, A Baptism of Pain, A Baptism
of
> Suffering
ohh a threat. Fascinating.
a
"Frank Rivers......." <Frank Rivers..@.......Seascape.towers..GCAN> wrote in
message news:4Vp0d.131528$A8.112347@edtnps89...
> This could serve as a warning to the Federal Liberals and other Political
> Party's that use sexist and bigoted policy's on fathers and their
Children,
> as Fathers4Justice Canada is growing more and more every day in Canada,
and
> those fathers are getting fed up with these Liberal Political potato heads
> and other political party's and there political potato heads that abuse
> fathers and their children in their political correct system.
>
Yes I can see how a UK politician running for office on a Militant platform
would be cause for concern for Canadian politicians, oh wait, no it isn't it
is completely irelevant, like most things out of your mouth.
> In the last 14 years, I have heard from so many men, fathers, that are fed
> up with the bias they receives in Canada's courts and by these sexist
bigot
> Governments. That Father Rights groups are starting to form Political
> Party's here and abroad to counter the Feminazi propaganda fed to the
masses
> by those who do not care about children and their fathers and which to
> criminalize them.
> Letters to: let...@guardian.co.uk
>
> http://politics.guardian.co.uk/byelections/story/0,11043,1301893,00.html
>
> Militant fathers' group to run for election
>
> John Martin
> Friday September 10, 2004
>
> Fathers' action group Fathers4Justice is planning to field a candidate
> against Labour in the Hartlepool by-election, SocietyGuardian.co.uk can
> reveal.
>
> The controversial organization, which launched a flour attack on the prime
> minister in the House of Commons in June, has decided to adopt a more
> constitutional approach by challenging the Labour candidate in Peter
> Mandelson's old seat. The group's management committee decided on Monday
to
> field the candidate in the election which will take place on September 30,
> the last day of the Labour party conference. If the campaign is successful
> it could lead to more than 200 Fathers4Justice candidates challenging
Labour
> in marginal seats at the next general election.
>
> Matt O'Connor, the spokesman for Fathers4Justice, said: "We will see how
it
> goes in Hartlepool - we will use it to cut our teeth and see how we go on.
>
> "At the very least we would like to see 200 candidates across the UK."
>
> The group is calling for equal rights for fathers in child contact cases
> after divorce or separation. "Our position is we will be actively
> campaigning in Hartlepool against any candidate that does not support the
> presumption of shared parenting," said Mr O'Connor. "We will encourage
> parties not to vote Labour and Liberal Democrat at the by-election. Labour
> is now our No 1 target.
>
> "We are shifting our fire power now towards the Labour party and the
Labour
> party machine." He went on: "300,000 children last year lost contact with
> their fathers. That is why there has been an explosion in youth crime;
that
> is why there is the need for all these antisocial behaviour orders.
>
> "Far from being tough on crime, we are saying Labour is the cause of
crime."
>
> He said that at the next election, the party's strategy was to target
> marginal seats where candidates were against the presumption of shared
> parenting.
>
> If the finances could not be raised in time for the Hartlepool campaign,
Mr
> O'Connor said his group would encourage people to vote Conservative.
>
> "The Conservative party is the only party to broadly support our aims," he
> said. Jack O'Sullivan, the for the more moderate Fathers Direct, said: "I
> would
> welcome seeing fatherhood raised as a political issue and it is a good
thing
> to see Fathers 4 Justice taking part in responsible campaigning. "I would
> rather see them standing as candidates than standing on top of
> Tower Bridge."
>
> A spokesman for Iain Wright, Labour's candidate in Hartlepool, said:
> "Anybody is entitled to put up a candidate but I wouldn't have thought
this
> intervention will have much of an impact on the campaign.
>
> "The issues here are who has the best policies to deal with the crime and
> antisocial behaviour on people's doorsteps.
>
> "I would be very surprised if they attract many votes at all."
>
> ________________________________________________________
>
> ***COMMENT***: "Iain Wright is one of these terrorist deadbeat political
> potato heads and socialist types, that would like to see fatherhood kept
in
> the dark, all for radical feminism in Government policy's as there agenda
is
> to keep the abuse coming forward in the courts. This Labour's Party does
not
> want the public to know about their governments terrorist and abusive
> behaviour agenda on those fathers and their children, while they use there
> Ignorance and Malice to justify government child abuse. "
>
>