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Hatem  
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(1 user)  More options May 2, 8:53 pm
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From: "Hatem" <n...@none.com>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 00:53:44 GMT
Local: Fri, May 2 2008 8:53 pm
Subject: Tories kill Information registry used to hold government accountable
By Dean Beeby, The Canadian Press

OTTAWA - The federal Conservatives have quietly killed a giant
information registry that was used by lawyers, academics, journalists
and ordinary citizens to hold government accountable.

The registry, created in 1989, is an electronic list of every request
filed to all federal departments and agencies under the Access to
Information Act.

Known as CAIRS, for Co-ordination of Access to Information Requests
System, the database allowed ordinary citizens to identify millions of
pages of once-secret documents that became public through individual
freedom-of-information requests over many years.

But in a notice last week to civil servants on the Treasury Board
website, officials posted an innocuous obituary: effective April 1,
2008, "the requirement to update CAIRS is no longer in effect."

A spokesman for Treasury Board confirmed Friday that the system is being
killed because "extensive" consultations showed it was not valued by
government departments.

The consultations concluded "the valuable resources currently being used
to maintain CAIRS would be better used in the collection and analysis of
improved statistical reporting," said Robert Makichuk.

Public Works, which has operated the database, spent $166,000 improving
it in 2001. As recently as 2003 federal officials had been working on a
publicly accessible, online version.

Monthly paper lists have also been made available since the 1990s for
public consultation at a central federal office in Ottawa.

In the meantime, a Canadian academic put the database on his website and
opened it to public use, allowing citizens to quickly search thousands
of requests for key words.

Alasdair Roberts, a political scientist at Syracuse University in New
York, built a version of the database by requesting the CAIRS electronic
records through an Access to Information Act request, and updated the
site monthly.

CBC journalist David McKie took over the work in 2006 using another
publicly accessible website (http://www.onlinedemocracy.ca).

Users searching key words cannot access the documents themselves, only
the wording of the original access-to-information request, the date, the
department, a file number, and general information about the requester,
whether media, business, academic or other.

But by citing that file number, a citizen can approach the appropriate
department and request copies of the already released documents.

CAIRS was originally designed as an internal government tool to manage
the flow of often embarrassing information. Particularly sensitive
requests from news media or opposition politicians would often be
red-flagged for special handling that frequently delayed release.

But requesters soon began to mine the database to discover obscure
documents, fine-tune the phrasing on new requests, and even to do
statistical studies - effectively turning the tool against government.

If departments and agencies are no longer required to update the CAIRS
database with new requests, its value as an accountability tool will
quickly diminish, critics said.

"This is terrible and I consider this to be yet one more step in making
records less accessible," said Michel Drapeau, a lawyer, frequent user
and co-author of a standard reference work on access law.

"To do this now after the CAIRS' usefulness has been proven over and
over again is indicative of the extent to which government will go to
stifle the access regime."

New Democrat MP Dawn Black, whose office uses the database regularly,
condemned the Tories for shutting down the system.

"It's another example of the Harper government's talk about
accountability and transparency - they talk the talk, but they don't
walk the walk."

The Conservative government has a mixed record in the area of freedom of
information. The Federal Accountability Act broadened the access
legislation to cover new entities, such as the CBC, Via Rail, Canada
Post and even the Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada,
who's the ombudsman for the system.

At the same time, long delays for responses, along with heavy censorship
of documents, have become endemic.

The number of complaints received by the information commissioner in
2007-2008, for example, soared to 2,387 - more than 1,000 higher than
the previous year. The level is the second-highest on record, next to
the 2,821 received in 1988 - 2,242 of those from a single complainant.


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(1 user)  More options May 2, 10:01 pm
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From: "sdgreen" <sd.gr...@shaw.ca>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 02:01:02 GMT
Local: Fri, May 2 2008 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry used to hold government accountable

"Hatem" <n...@none.com> wrote in message

news:sIOSj.238986$pM4.6687@pd7urf1no...

Looks like CAIRS was an ancient system that really does not work that well.
Further, several Federal Government Departments never used the system.
Therefore, the system is really ineffective. Any system designed in the 80's
then patched is pretty in efficient.

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Discussion subject changed to "Tories kill Information registry not used by government" by jimjames5417
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From: jimjames5417 <jameswri...@usa.net>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 06:17:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry not used by government
On May 2, 9:53 pm, "Hatem" <n...@none.com> wrote:

It is pretty obvious that the liberal media and left-wingers are most
unhappy about the election of an honest government - and are abusing
every method they can use in an attempt to embarass the government -
even for things done under the LIEberals!!

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From: Roy <wila...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 08:58:19 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 11:58 am
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry not used by government
On May 3, 7:17 am, jimjames5417 <jameswri...@usa.net> wrote:

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Heil Harper.
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From: bluedevil_1...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:23:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry not used by government
On May 3, 11:58 am, Roy <wila...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Harper is doing a great job, despite having one arm tied behind his
back. I'm looking forward to watching him perform after we give him a
majority next election.

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 More options May 3, 1:32 pm
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From: "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 17:32:17 GMT
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry not used by government

><bluedevil_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message:

> Harper is doing a great job, despite having one arm tied behind his
> back. I'm looking forward to watching him perform after we give him a
> majority next election.

Don't hold your breath.

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From: bluedevil_1...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry not used by government
On May 3, 1:32 pm, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@bbq.yum> wrote:

> ><bluedevil_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message:

> > Harper is doing a great job, despite having one arm tied behind his
> > back. I'm looking forward to watching him perform after we give him a
> > majority next election.

> Don't hold your breath.

I'm not holding my breath Chom. I'm a realist and in being so, I
realize Canada has way more takers than givers, and takers tend to
vote Liberal, NDP and Green.
On the other hand, the latest issue of McCleans magazine claims the
under 40 crowd is swinging Harper's way.
Perhaps there is hope for Canada's future after all, eh?

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Discussion subject changed to "Tories kill Information registry used to hold government accountable" by Greg Carr
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 More options May 3, 4:56 pm
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From: Greg Carr <gregpc...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 20:56:52 GMT
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Tories kill Information registry used to hold government accountable

No kidding. They want to keep their mistakes and stupidity secret.

>The consultations concluded "the valuable resources currently being used
>to maintain CAIRS would be better used in the collection and analysis of
>improved statistical reporting," said Robert Makichuk.

I disagree.

>Public Works, which has operated the database, spent $166,000 improving
>it in 2001. As recently as 2003 federal officials had been working on a
>publicly accessible, online version.

This is what they should continue to do so.

>Monthly paper lists have also been made available since the 1990s for
>public consultation at a central federal office in Ottawa.

That is nice but it isn't the same as a good website.

>In the meantime, a Canadian academic put the database on his website and
>opened it to public use, allowing citizens to quickly search thousands
>of requests for key words.

>Alasdair Roberts, a political scientist at Syracuse University in New
>York, built a version of the database by requesting the CAIRS electronic
>records through an Access to Information Act request, and updated the
>site monthly.

>CBC journalist David McKie took over the work in 2006 using another
>publicly accessible website (http://www.onlinedemocracy.ca).

Clap, clap, clap.

How horrible.

>If departments and agencies are no longer required to update the CAIRS
>database with new requests, its value as an accountability tool will
>quickly diminish, critics said.

>"This is terrible and I consider this to be yet one more step in making
>records less accessible," said Michel Drapeau, a lawyer, frequent user
>and co-author of a standard reference work on access law.

He is correct.

>"To do this now after the CAIRS' usefulness has been proven over and
>over again is indicative of the extent to which government will go to
>stifle the access regime."

>New Democrat MP Dawn Black, whose office uses the database regularly,
>condemned the Tories for shutting down the system.

I also condemn the Tories for doing this.

The govt should apologize and reverse their decision.

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