Which operating system is the best?

[evannak]

Hi all,
It's been long that we have discussed about which operating system is
the best... but we seem can't find the best explanations yet. For
example like those who are using Mac OS say Mac OS is the best
operation system of all because it is elegant, expansive and fast.
However, ppl who use M$ Windows say Windows is not just a perfect
operating system for them but a god-like operating system in the
world. It is mostly pre-installed, plenty of software are available,
and advanced on computer game. And how about those who are using Linux/
Gnu operating system? They say they use it because it is free and Open
Source. They have the freedom to "Share", "Modify" and "Use". They
don't care about being infected, data lost and privacy interfered.

But these reasons can't help ppl to think of which is the best
operating system because mostly ppl find the operating system that
meets their need is the best one like for those who has lot of money
will find Mac OS is the best and for those who are poor will see Linux/
GNU is appropriate for them and for ppl who like to have their data
lost, their pc infected, and their privacy violated they may see M$
Windows is better.

Well, the best operating system is up to ur own. no one beside you can
proof that it is best right?

[j. Tim Denny]

I think you are trying to set people up on this one...

well  let me see...


I love them all...  viruses, malware, infections of all types, command lines, quirky programs and immense time wasted....    hard to choose... they are all about communication to me.... 

this argument reminds me of a religious zealots....   you are with us or against us, god damnit...   you damned heathens you...     sort of George Bush like I think....

In my line of work I seek solutions to help people communicate...  all OSes have pluses and minuses depending on the hardware chosen...   it is really tough...  I have used so many OSes from locally installed to server based, from free to commercial to hacked...   you name it...  from 8 bit to 64bit  risc based and cisc based.... 

I love them all... 


Cheers
Tim

[Sary Mam]

Hello,

People have different opinions, so everything is different and changing. I have been using a PC for 7 years, but I can't decide what the best OS is. Just a try is not enough. Let install and use it for months to make sure you are familiar with to find out any inconveniences.

Sary

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[Mesa Koeun]

HI all,

 

I have some idea related to OS, I think Microsoft is the best operating system, because there is a lot of application support it, some many people are try to develope software that support Microsoft, and it will make you more easy.

 

But Linux is very good for Server Operating System, because it is more reliable, security, and free to update, and you can customize source code.

 

So no OS is the best, it is good depend on circumstance.

 

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:28 AM, evannak <vanna...@gmail.com> wrote:

[PONGSA METREY SOK]

Hi,
I think OS using accordingly to what you need exactly in your daily life.
You have to know what application will you use?
As today even Microsoft is not free for the world but we still can use with crack so you can just use it but better to prepare yourself for when it's not. Go to try with Ubuntus (with VMware), I also try it with VMware, just some parts, I'm not yet ready for it yet as used to with Windows for long...

Enjoy yours,
Mtr

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[Sam Eath Sek]

hi all,

does anyone know when will be Microsoft OS in Khmer script available in our country?

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[Nath Chan (Intl Vendor)]

Hi Sam Eath Sek,

 

Khmer Language Pack is already finalize.

We just wait for the decision when to be available for download.

 

Best regards,

 

Nath CHAN

Technology Specialist, Microsoft MDP Cambodia

#230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh

Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819

Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949

[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, evannak wrote:
> for ppl who like to have their data
> lost, their pc infected, and their privacy violated they may see M$
> Windows is better

:D

As you more seriously said earlier in your post, it really depends on people. But it should depend
on informed, educated choice, rather than just mainstream poor usage and/or hype/advertisement.

Our task as promoters of OpenSOurce is a cool one: We have the opportunity to remind people that
they have a choice, a choice of tens if not hundreds operating systems to have fun with, all free
in the best community spirit.

That is, rather than just being a virus-infected victim of poor habits.

Or be a fashion victim buying standard Intel hardware for three times the price so everybody can see
an apple on the cover.

Now, please, answer these questions in all fairness:

-Would you like to work in YOUR language?

-Would you like your computer to be free of VIRUS?
-Would you like your computer to be free of expensive LICENSES?
-Would you like your computer to be free of PIRATED SOFTWARE?

-Would you like it to run Software that cost ZERO $$$?
-Would you like to be allowed to make copies for your fiends?

-Would you rather be a member of an open community, or a consumer with handcuffs?

Cheers

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[Sam Eath Sek]

hi,

actually i found open office is hard to working with

Sam

[doro hak]

Hi All,

Does Khmer Language Pack is support for window vista or 7?
If you talk about Khmer OS, I have already as Doun Penh, Batambong Font; however, I don't know how to type it?
Because, I use Macrosoft full license so it have all drive and file update through internet.

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Related to which operation system is the best for us, I do support with Mesa Koeun statement as no OS is the best, it is good depend on circumstance. Furthermore, most of the software that supporting the Macrosoft in the world and most of internet shop in Cambodia they use MS.

Regard!

[Nath Chan (Intl Vendor)]

It’s for Windows Vista. The one for Windows 7 is in process.

This Khmer Language Pack is free of charge. As well, other updates and service pack are also free.

 

Best regards,

 

Nath CHAN

Technology Specialist, Microsoft MDP Cambodia

#230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh

Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819

Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949

 

From: barcampp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:barcampp...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of doro hak
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:49 AM
To: barcampp...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

 

Hi All,

[doro hak]

Hi, I don't know what MO office did you process and what window as well. Because, in will stuck some for MO office 2007 with MO window vista as they no respond for minutes, after that it will run properly.

Regard!

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[doro hak]

So, do you have the description guide even .pdf file or other. Because I don't know how to try!

Thank

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From: Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) <v-na...@microsoft.com>
To: "barcampp...@googlegroups.com" <barcampp...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 10:00:44 AM

Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

[Ken White]

Hi Evvanak ,

Really had a good laugh at the end of your post - thanks ;o)

I am no expert, that is for sure, but I would like to raise the
following consideration - control. Yes I understand and believe it is
important that people buy what they feel is best for themselves - I
think most people would agree here. A point of contention that I believe
is worth discussing is "What is best for others". That is, which
platform would be best - not just for you but for your family, your
company, your friends' company, companies & organizations in Cambodia in
general, and companies & organizations around the world?

At the risk of causing a big "kafuffle" I would suggest that the
open-source is better because the idea is that the control of the
platform is with "the people" and I believe this is of paramount
importance. We know how centrally important computers are becoming in
our lives and the lives of family and friends - and this will be even
more so in the future. Who should have control of this? I firmly believe
that private enterprise systems are a lot more successful and
sustainable than socially-organized, donor-funded systems. Will
open-source be sustainable? Will open-source end up becoming a Microsoft
or Macintosh over time? Does anyone know what is the official platform
for the Royal Government of Cambodia? Should governments work to usurp
the monopoly that Microsoft seems to have gained thus allowing a greater
variety of privately funded systems with government driven standard
protocols? Or should we all embrace open-source? What do you think?

Thanks

Ken

[Sary Mam]

Hello,

Has anyone received Microsoft Window Seven license key from Piseth? I have been trying to contact him, but his phone no given us is always of out network. What do you think happens?

Or someone gets it, just say yes.

Sary

[Nath Chan (Intl Vendor)]

Hi,

 

The process is this way. He is verifying everyone’s email address within this week by asking everyone to drop him an email and he will request the product keys from Microsoft base on these email addresses. After he got product keys, he will send to you all.

 

Best regards,

 

Nath CHAN

Technology Specialist, Microsoft MDP Cambodia

#230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh

Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819

Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949

 

[sophy]

my friends install widows 7 also at Barcamppp, but now not yet get
license key for me I use Ubuntu no need Windows license and work still
continue but my friends they computers now format haha... wait...
windows 7 active key....

On Oct 6, 10:39 am, Sary Mam <msar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Has anyone received Microsoft Window Seven license key from Piseth? I have
> been trying to contact him, but his phone no given us is always of out
> network. What do you think happens?
> Or someone gets it, just say yes.
>
> Sary
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:15 AM, doro hak <hcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So, do you have the description guide even .pdf file or other. Because I
> > don't know how to try!
>
> > Thank
>

> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) <v-nat...@microsoft.com>
> > *To:* "barcampp...@googlegroups.com" <
> > barcampp...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Tue, October 6, 2009 10:00:44 AM
> > *Subject:* [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

>
> >  It’s for Windows Vista. The one for Windows 7 is in process.
>
> > This Khmer Language Pack is free of charge. As well, other updates and
> > service pack are also free.
>
> > Best regards,
>
> > Nath CHAN
>

> > Technology Specialist, *Microsoft MDP Cambodia*

>
> > #230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh
>
> > Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819
>
> > Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949
>

> > *From:* barcampp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > barcampp...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *doro hak
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:49 AM
> > *To:* barcampp...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

>
> > Hi All,
>
> > Does Khmer Language Pack is support for window vista or 7?
> > If you talk about Khmer OS, I have already as Doun Penh, Batambong Font;
> > however, I don't know how to type it?
> > Because, I use Macrosoft full license so it have all drive and file update
> > through internet.

> >  ------------------------------

>
> > Related to which operation system is the best for us, I do support with

> > Mesa Koeun statement as *no OS is the best, it is good depend on*circumstance. Furthermore, most of the software that supporting the

> > Macrosoft in the world and most of internet shop in Cambodia they use MS.
>
> > Regard!
>
> --
> Mr. Mam Sary
> The Sharing Foundation
> Roteang, Phum Thom, Kien Svay, Kandal
> English Program and Computer School Manager
> Tel: 855-12520407

> E-mail: msar...@gmail.com; msar...@yahoo.com
> Blog: sary-creative.blogspot.com

[Davanda Sin]

I think Piseth is on the way back to SR, so for those have send notification to him already wait two or three day, coz he is a busy guy.

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:39:30 +0700

Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

From: msa...@gmail.com
To: barcampp...@googlegroups.com

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Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online.

[doro hak]

no, I am waiting for his respond as well.

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From: Sary Mam <msa...@gmail.com>
To: barcampp...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 10:39:30 AM

[doro hak]

I hope we will got it sooner!

Doro

[Chhun Hing VANN]

Dear all barcampphnompenh Group

Do any body know when Windows Vista in KHMER language available to release?


do any boday

[Davanda Sin]

I'm sure you all will get the license key if you've sent him the email already, but it just need time!

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:05:03 -0700
From: hcd...@yahoo.com

Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

To: barcampp...@googlegroups.com

I hope we will got it sooner!

Doro

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Keep your friends updated— even when you’re not signed in.

[Chris Brown]

This thread is a perfect example of the benefits of open source
software. Someone started the thread asking what is the best operating
system yet half the posts on this thread have not been about what is
the best operating system, but instead have been about when people
will receive their product key from Microsoft or when Windows will be
available in Khmer. Personally I choose to use Linux because it gives
me freedom and control, and in this case license keys and translations
are a perfect example of the freedoms and control which is taken away
when using Microsoft products.

Open source is especially important for countries like Cambodia. When
Microsoft are building their product do you think they care or even
think for one second about the needs of computer users in Cambodia? No
of course they don't, they think about what will generate for them the
greatest revenue with the highest profit margin. As Cambodia is such a
small market our needs will never be catered for by Microsoft, they
will only give features that are specific to our needs *IF* it can be
done so a very low cost *AND* it in absolutely no way inconveniences
the users in their primary markets of Europe and North America. When
Microsoft look at a map of the world, this is what they see -
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/world_mktsize96.jpg

Now lets compare this to Linux which is driven by human needs rather
than corporate needs. Cambodia already has a full Khmer language
operating system based on OpenSUSE, this OS is free and mature and
this has now been joined by the new and improving MoonOS.

And don't even get me started on Apple, it will snow in Phnom Penh
before Apple release a Khmer language OS.

Remember if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the
problem!

[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Chris Brown wrote:
> Remember if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the
> problem!

:)

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[Phnom Penh Computer Technology Co, LTD.]

We must wait 7 weeks 7 days and 7 hours to get Windows 7 activation key.
We all probably spend money as 7 times as windows xp.

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[Nath Chan (Intl Vendor)]

Guys,
I understand you all excited about Free Software License, particularly with the exciting product like Windows 7.
Even you don't have activation key, you can still have some time to use the software.

Piseth is good enough to be recruited as Microsoft Student Partner, especially, he lives in Siem Reap.
As in the procedure, he need to send a one-time request for the product keys with one list of all everyone's email address from Microsoft in Singapore.
I think some people haven't sent him yet, and he wanted to give some time to these people before proceeding. Please give others some more time.

I would be thankful to open source people who try to share their knowledge to our Cambodian community.
For students, you are spending time and money to your study in order to get a good job. What platform is being used by businesses?
For NGO, Microsoft already provided a very good price to them with the rate of about 30% of commercial price.
For students, you even got it for free if you are in IT Department and your university signed agreement with Microsoft as Build Bright University already did.

Ok, I need to work.
Good luck to u all.

Best regards,

Nath CHAN
Technology Specialist, Microsoft MDP Cambodia

#230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh
Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819
Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949

[Sophy PRAK]

Good job!

[KhmerGang]

Here are my top 10 reasons why you should leave Linux to the geeks and
stay loyal to your current OS.

1. Because you’re happy with your current OS
Open source software is all well and good, but when you think of what
we actually do with our PCs (reading email, browsing the web,
listening to music), there are equally good solutions available for
Linux, Windows and Mac. So, why change?

2. You don’t need to know how to build a car if all you want to do is
drive
If you can build, program and understand source code then you’re
highly-skilled and well done to you. But not everyone wants to do
that, nor does everyone have the time to learn. If you can turn on
your PC, click a couple of icons and access your favourite programs
with no fuss, that’s enough.

3. So as to not look like a geek
All those tech terms might sound cool to someone already using Linux,
but let’s face the truth: almost nobody in your circle of friends
knows much about this kind of stuff, and you sound weird when you
start talking about Gnome, Gimp and Synaptic.

4. Plenty of software, but what about quality?
There are hundreds of applications for Linux but at the end of the
day, how many do you really need? We’d rather have one (easy-to-
install) program that works perfectly than dozens of tricky,
complicated apps that only ever do half of what they’re meant to.

5. The terminal is the Antichrist and wants to destroy us
Linux has changed considerably, and in most cases everything is done
via windows and mouse clicks. But the terminal is still there, lurking
in the darkness just waiting for the moment when you’ll have to use
it, so it can respond with messages like “Incorrect command! I don’t
know what you’re saying to me…install more packages while you still
have space, I’m telling root! Mount point! Mount point!”. Don’t do it.
You can lose your patience and your friends if you spend too long in
the Terminal Zone.

6. Because getting it to run smoothly is a Herculean task
Some people install Ubuntu on their laptop and everything goes
smoothly the first time around. Wi-Fi and webcam included. Urban myths
aside, it’s often very difficult to get Linux to work perfectly on
your machine, because it doesn’t recognise a peripheral, it’s
incompatible with your processor or simply because your video card
isn’t up to the high-powered graphical effects in the latest build of
your distro. And they complain about Vista!

7. Because if you’re in trouble, nobody will help you
The Linux community is large and has produced any number of manuals
and tutorials to help out newbies. There are even distributions with
technical support. But when you’re in real trouble (a broken UI or
mount issues, for example), you can bet that you’ll be the only person
who has ever had that issue. Advice in forums can be useful but it
often consists of ‘Read the FAQ’, ‘Please search before asking’ or
‘Right… open the terminal…’ (see point 5).

8. Because at work, everyone uses Windows
Things can get even more annoying if you use specialised applications
for your daily tasks. And if you’re using Windows at work, why not use
it at home too? Or at least a Mac.

9. Because Apples are cooler than Penguins
Apple has managed to sell products that we end up loving like a
friend. Many pray every night for Steve Jobs to bring them a new Mac
for Christmas. By contrast, Linux kinda lacks glamour.

10. To be contrary
You want to buck this ‘free software’ trend and stick to the most
proprietary stuff you can get your hands on? Windows is your friend.

Oh and 11. Games

[Khou Suylong]

I'm here not to oppose anyone. I just give some of my personal idea.

I was a window lover, and really addicted to what they offer thought through cracking some of them. I have stuck myself with all window thing and did not even think to use or try other OS. But I tell you what, if you really want to know the real world is, then get your hand and try other Open source, you will find far more happiness and freedom. I think this is a fair world, we gotta accept what can offer us more.

One more thing, if you really want technology to really benefit your work, don't stuck with one thing, spend some time try other. because if you never want to try other, then you will never know which one is better.

Don't just listen to what people said about which one is the best operating system. go and try yourself. to me, since the day I left window, now I never even think to go back to window again. this is fair world, I love want can make me more productive and power.

More power comes more complicity, complicity comes new experience, new experience comes new idea.

Cheer,

2009/10/6 KhmerGang <khme...@gmail.com>

Here are our top 10 reasons why you should leave Linux to the geeks

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[Virak.HOR]

:) hey seems like u guys had good points!!
But can i say, there's a bit misunderstanding between advance geeks talking to basic geeks?
The advance try to tell the basics the way where the treasures are and there's no limitation of getting those treasures [much as they want] because they have freedom to get it, but the basics seem like, no no .. i feel i am comfortable with what i have now, i don wanna know more or get more... because my world [Microsoft Windows] is wild enough to live in. And actually, they seem forget that there's BiG [close] Gate in their world and have to pay the Bill every time they wanna add new thing. So, yeah.. if you are rich you'll enjoy it, but iam sure still not that much, because Gate is close!

Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table and Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table and see it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something between the two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are keen to learn the basic of computing while The open source table people are experts, they're far more advance! So what's the point you guys talking to each other, as on this thread, what the best OS and people asking for Windows7 License as it is only the most amazing thing for computer on earth?

• The best OS is of cause depend on YOU! What you need to do in your level of computing, but remember you have choices and no limitation!
• Apple somehow has claimed that their OS, Leopard OSX, is the most advance one on earth? but m sure you can go more advance than that within the UNIX world and of cause not Windows!

Anyways, talking at the basic level of computing, I do not know what you guys would do with Windows7? Maybe it's good to understand your needs as users and points what's good about Windows7? maybe Gaming, word processing, web browsing, designing, programming, or anything else? and you like windows7 just because of its look, effect? things' flying? or easiness of clicking 'Next' and 'Ok'? ...or enjoy of cracking habbit .. lolz

For students, you are spending time and money to your study in order to get a good job. What platform is being used by businesses?
For NGO, Microsoft already provided a very good price to them with the rate of about 30% of commercial price.

I think if you're IT student and want a good IT job, you of cause need to know Linux and join the Open Source world to advance your computing experience!
You can also ask here, many bosses are also on the list, what kind of people they're looking for.

just an idea,
@viirak

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From: KhmerGang <khme...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

On Oct 6, 9:36 am, "Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro"

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[Sophy PRAK]

@Virak you are right! I agree with all need to know Open Source like Linux to compete your job at future.

@psophy

[Nath Chan (Intl Vendor)]

“Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table and Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table and see it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something between the two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are keen to learn the basic of computing while The open source table people are experts, they're far more advance!”

See the point?

Just students’ level  in Microsoft can do things like experts in Open Source!

Why waste your time and effort to become an expert with Open Source?

 

Best regards,

 

Nath CHAN

Technology Specialist, Microsoft MDP Cambodia

#230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh

Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819

Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949

 

[Virak.HOR]

lolz... just format the disk and put up Win7 doesn't require to be advance or expert.
Only if you wanna do more, probably you need to wast some time with Open Source!

cheers,
@viirak

[Samneang Ngeth]

Talking about Microsoft, I feel like many bills come to me in a short future for its license.
Now I'm using both Ubuntu for my work as a normal developer in Cambodia and Microsoft just only for some design since my Laptop has Vista's license.

I think Cambodia's people won't be able to support Microsoft's license.

Cheer,
Samneang

[Khou Suylong]

Hi,

Just student won't need to wast time to become an expert with Open source, but what can Microsoft offer to student more than a cracked version and fully infected OS, how many time a month do they have to formate their infected PC and lost data.

Look at the 80% used world wide IE, and look at this site http://www.ihateie.com/. what people feel good about this product, that's what you get free IE from Microsoft.

2009/10/6 Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) <v-na...@microsoft.com>

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[KhmerGang]

"Microsoft table people as mostly students who are keen to learn
the basic of computing while The open source table people are
experts,
they're far more advance!"

Haha, maybe you should learn more about them. As I've known, one of
them has his own company(web design, IT consulting,...), while another
guy have been actively spending his time in computing for over 9 years
( yes, 9 to 12 hours a day) - he probably have involved in this field
longer than you. That's not all, all the other members know how to
program and use the latest technologies very well.

Not something basic as you think!

On Oct 6, 4:52 pm, "Virak.HOR" <vii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> :) hey seems like u guys had good points!!
> But can i say, there's a bit misunderstanding between advance geeks talking
> to basic geeks?
> The advance try to tell the basics the way where the treasures are and
> there's no limitation of getting those treasures [much as they want] because
> they have freedom to get it, but the basics seem like, no no .. i feel i am
> comfortable with what i have now, i don wanna know more or get more...
> because my world [Microsoft Windows] is wild enough to live in. And
> actually, they seem forget that there's BiG [close] Gate in their world and
> have to pay the Bill every time they wanna add new thing. So, yeah.. if you
> are rich you'll enjoy it, but iam sure still not that much, because Gate is
> close!
>
> Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table and
> Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table and see
> it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something between the
> two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are keen to learn
> the basic of computing while The open source table people are experts,
> they're far more advance! So what's the point you guys talking to each
> other, as on this thread, what the best OS and people asking for Windows7
> License as it is only the most amazing thing for computer on earth?
>

>    - The best OS is of cause depend on YOU! What you need to do in your

>    level of computing, but remember you have choices and no limitation!

>    - Apple somehow has claimed that their OS, Leopard OSX, is the most

[KhmerGang]

"what can Microsoft offer to student more than a cracked version"

Well, you should learn more about these two programs:
1. DreamSpark which students can get many fully licensed software for
FREE!!! More info: DreamSpark.com

2. WebSiteSpark which is program that offers visibility, support and
software for professional Web Developers and Designers
they can get Windows Server 2008, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server
2008, Microsoft Expression....and many other software for FREE!
More info : http://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark

On Oct 6, 5:36 pm, Khou Suylong <khou.suyl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just student won't need to wast time to become an expert with Open source,
> but what can Microsoft offer to student more than a cracked version and
> fully infected OS, how many time a month do they have to formate their
> infected PC and lost data.
>

> Look at the 80% used world wide IE, and look at this sitehttp://www.ihateie.com/. what people feel good about this product, that's

> what you get free IE from Microsoft.
>

> 2009/10/6 Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) <v-nat...@microsoft.com>

>
>
>
> >  “Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table
> > and Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table and
> > see it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something between
> > the two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are keen to
> > learn the basic of computing while The open source table people are experts,
> > they're far more advance!”
>
> > See the point?
>
> > Just students’ level  in Microsoft can do things like experts in Open
> > Source!
>
> > Why waste your time and effort to become an expert with Open Source?
>
> > Best regards,
>
> > Nath CHAN
>

> > Technology Specialist, *Microsoft MDP Cambodia*

>
> > #230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh
>
> > Tel: (+855) 23 726 818 Fax: (+855) 23 726 819
>
> > Mobile: (+855) 12 751 848 / (+855) 16 499 949
>

> > *From:* barcampp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > barcampp...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Virak.HOR
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:53 PM
> > *To:* barcampp...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Fwd: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the

> > best?
>
> > :) hey seems like u guys had good points!!
> > But can i say, there's a bit misunderstanding between advance geeks talking
> > to basic geeks?
> > The advance try to tell the basics the way where the treasures are and
> > there's no limitation of getting those treasures [much as they want] because
> > they have freedom to get it, but the basics seem like, no no .. i feel i am
> > comfortable with what i have now, i don wanna know more or get more...
> > because my world [Microsoft Windows] is wild enough to live in. And
> > actually, they seem forget that there's BiG [close] Gate in their world and
> > have to pay the Bill every time they wanna add new thing. So, yeah.. if you
> > are rich you'll enjoy it, but iam sure still not that much, because Gate is
> > close!
>
> > Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table and
> > Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table and see
> > it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something between the
> > two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are keen to learn
> > the basic of computing while The open source table people are experts,
> > they're far more advance! So what's the point you guys talking to each
> > other, as on this thread, what the best OS and people asking for Windows7
> > License as it is only the most amazing thing for computer on earth?
>

> >    - The best OS is of cause depend on YOU! What you need to do in your

> >    level of computing, but remember you have choices and no limitation!

> >    - Apple somehow has claimed that their OS, Leopard OSX, is the most

> ...
>
> read more »

[Kirit Sælensminde]

Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) wrote:
> “Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table
> and Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table
> and see it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something
> between the two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are
> keen to learn the basic of computing while The open source table people
> are experts, they're far more advance!”
>
> See the point?
>
> Just students’ level in Microsoft can do things like experts in Open
> Source!
>

I've been following this thread with a mixture of interest and worry.
These sorts of religious wars never end well for anybody, and despite
the fact that I know better I'm going to wade in anyway.

Nath's point actually re-inforces Virak's. Yes, students can be expert
on Windows. And that's because Windows is simple. There isn't very much
to it. Now, it is a perfectly capable operating system for the vast
majority of users, but if you want to actually become a real expert at
computer system you simply have to learn Linux and the only way to do
that is to use it every day. I don't know anybody who is a real expert
on computers who doesn't understand Unix.

You would expect a master car mechanic to be able to take every part of
a car apart and put it back together. You might think yourself a great
mechanic if you can change the spark plugs -- after all that is more
than most car owners can do. The problem with both Windows and Apple is
that major part of the operating system are locked up in such a way that
you cannot take them apart, examine them and put it back together again.

The thing is, you simply have to use a Unix o/s for a couple of years as
your prime system in order to properly learn these things -- things you
cannot learn on Apple or Windows. You might be a Windows expert, but you
don't know enough yet to understand how much there is still to learn
until you can start to take an o/s apart and put it back together again
so that it works.

If you really want to become a real expert you have to use a Linux o/s
for at least a couple of years. There isn't any other way to do it
unfortunately. There are things you will hate, things you will love.
Windows imposes a good enough average on everything, but if you want to
really see and understand the best and the worst then you need put
yourself in control and that means an open source o/s.

Anyway, long enough already. Sounds like the BarCamp was a big success
-- a shame I couldn't make it in the end :(


K

[Chantheng Heng]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009 5:14:35 pm Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) wrote:
> “Have you noticed the two table at our Barcamp, Microsoft Windows7 table
> and Open Source Table? It's quite impressed for me to have the two table
> and see it's quite busy during the event. But have you noticed something
> between the two table? Microsoft table people as mostly students who are
> keen to learn the basic of computing while The open source table people are
> experts, they're far more advance!” See the point?

With Open Source, you can opt to be a basic user or an advance user. You can
choose to do one click installed in which the user requirement is to operat
mouse properly and be able to read their own language or you prefer to do
more advance thing with your expertise.

To use open source you just decide what level are you and what area do you
usually use most. If you just want to do word processing, browsing Internet,
reading e-mail, chatting, why bother with an operating system whic is full of
virus, risks to lose your value data, wast your time to update anti-virus,
lose your money to buy new hardward.
If you want to learn about computing world why not choose Open Source, which
provide you million of source code and documentation for you to learn and
modify.

To learn more why Linux is better, please follow the link:
http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/

Cheers,

Chantheng

> * The best OS is of cause depend on YOU! What you need to do in your
> level of computing, but remember you have choices and no limitation! *

> Follow: twitter.com/viirak<http://twitter.com/viirak>
> Profile: facebook.com/viirak<http://facebook.com/viirak>
>
>
>

[Nouvvithou]

Hi all,

Just got many emails after the Barcamppp2's days. I would like to
share my own ideas on this issue "which one is the best OS". I am
agreeing with @viirak that "It is up to you". In my point of view, all
operating systems have it's own advantages and disadvantages. I am now
using both Windows and Ubuntu. Why? Windows is my first use and it has
much more applications that i need than Ubuntu. And Ubuntu is being
used for studying and research. But if Ubuntu has some applications I
need I will abandon the Windows.

However, I could say that Open Source is the best for you if you are a
researcher or developer. Else, uaing Windows.


Vithou NOUV
Mobile: +855 16585824
Email: nouvv...@gmail.com
Yahoo IM: nouvvithou
Twitter: @nVitou

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From iPhone

[Virak.HOR]

Well, i am not talking about people because probably i am wrong, and the word 'expert' here is not wild enough in making thing clear,
as anyone can be an expert in anything. Probably "Advancing" is better in this context because it doent lock us up in one thing and there's always solutions.

So, whatever position people in, whatever businesses people own and whatever long people spend their time with, if they lock themselves up in one world, they would only know thing in that world and of cause they can be an expert in something in that world too. But the world of computing is quite LARGE, not only Microsoft and its technologies, so if you want to advance your experience of computing you need to unlock yourself out of Microsoft and explore thing beside its. Hate it or love it, you have CHOICES and FREEDOM to choose and learn, there are a lot on the list, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems

After you have learn, you will be able to choose and select your BEST operating system. If you know only Windows, you would say it's only best for you. However, I am not saying Windows is bad, it's basic and easy to use, but it's not a choice for people who need to advance their computing experience because it's limit and close! You cannot break it apart and select to run only what you like, customize and control everything for you and your machine [hardware] as well as software and languages.

In the Open Source world, there's always CHOICES and FREEDOM to make it your way! But you need to go a bit advance to do that. However, there are many projects and communities like Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuse...etc.. they are making thing easier so that basic users can also use it, but there are no limitation!

If you're student you might need to look around to learn, hack and innovate, but it's pity there might no any school [as i know] here in Phnom Penh open enough for you to do those. But it might be luck, we have barcamppp to learn thing that we might have never learn it at any school, we have CHOICES AND FREEDOM to learn many new things, just we need to unlock ourselves and go more advance!

hm.. I am not any expert or advance, but yea ... i use all, i try all, and learn all.. and that's wat i've seen.

cheers barcampers,
@viirak

[KhmerGang]

Well, if you talk about open source, maybe you've tried less OSs and
software than me!
My friend - Chhay, share me a lot of OSs, software and knowledge.
The OSs he introduced me: Red Hat Linux( since in 2003), Fedora,
Debian, PCLinuxOS, Suse, Knoppix, Linspire, Ubuntu( since 2005), Linux
Mint( recently ), PC-BSD, FreeBSD, ReactOS, Haiku....and about 10 more
which I don't remember the name.

For software, well thousands! just tell him the name of the software,
he would tell me what it is use for and even teaches me!

For CMS like Joomla, Drupal, Typo3, WordPress....he tought me in 2005.
Well, he've used Joomla since it's name was Mambo. He is probably the
one who've boomed Joomla in Cambodia.
Also around 2007, he introduced me Ruby on Rails, Python, D, Mono....

Recently he also introduced me many new things.

But surprise! eventhought, his is having more than 15 OSs in VMWare,
he never think of use it as his primary OS nor dual boot with Windows.
He still say Windows is much easier to USE!

Oh! I forget to mention, he recently showed me the MoonOS. At first, I
thought it was very good OS created by a Cambodian teen, but after
Chhay told me about the truth behind it, now I hate it very much!
Why?
Because this teen is lying all you guys. MoonOS is not based on
Ubuntu, it is based on Linux Mint. What this teen does is takes the
latest release of Linux Mint, change all the references from Linux
Mint to MoonOS, change the desktop environment to make it's look
different and claims that he developed it!
I also search about this on the internet, and many people also noticed
that MoonOS is just a rebrand of Linux Mint.
I'm surprise that you open source expert guys don't even notice about
this!

Chhay knew it because he digged down into MoonOS and saw everything
was Linux Mint!

On Oct 6, 9:07 pm, "Virak.HOR" <vii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, i am not talking about people because probably i am wrong, and the
> word 'expert' here is not wild enough in making thing clear,
> as anyone can be an expert in anything. Probably "Advancing" is better in
> this context because it doent lock us up in one thing and there's always
> solutions.
>
> So, whatever position people in, whatever businesses people own and whatever
> long people spend their time with, if they lock themselves up in one world,
> they would only know thing in that world and of cause they can be an expert
> in something in that world too. But the world of computing is quite LARGE,
> not only Microsoft and its technologies, so if you want to advance your
> experience of computing you need to unlock yourself out of Microsoft and
> explore thing beside its. Hate it or love it, you have CHOICES and FREEDOM

> to choose and learn, there are a lot on the list,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems

> ...
>
> read more »

[Paul Harper]

The one I like best is the one I can transfer $US10000 on online banking with minimal risk of interception or theft. There is no way that is Windows or Mac OSX. Anything else but. OpenBSD would be a contender. A Linux Distro I would accept.  Open Solaris is good as is FreeBSD.

But basically any open source free operating system that has been peer reviewed by the community. i don't care which one. BSD, OpenSoalris, Linux, the Hurd, Plan 9 from Bell labs,... But I inherently distrust closed source operating systems. The National Security Agency NSA did not choose a proprietary encryption algorithym to protect the US government's data. They chose a open source method because it could be trusted. You have to be brain dead to trust Microsoft or Apple. Thier history proves them to be dishonest about security issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard

A friend of mine worked in Ukraine for the Telecom there. When the Kosovo war started all of the Telecoms shut down. Why because they had back doors in their Microsoft products that allowed the US government to shut them down,

I say again if you are serious about computer security you are brain dead to use software that is not open source.

The only thing Microsoft is good for is computer games. Mac is only slightly better.

Regards,

paul

2009/10/6 evannak <vanna...@gmail.com>

Hi all,
It's been long that we have discussed about which operating system is
the best... but we seem can't find the best explanations yet. For
example like those who are using Mac OS say Mac OS is the best
operation system of all because it is elegant, expansive and  fast.
However, ppl who use M$ Windows say Windows is not just a perfect
operating system for them but a god-like operating system in the
world. It is mostly pre-installed, plenty of software are available,
and advanced on computer game. And how about those who are using Linux/
Gnu operating system? They say they use it because it is free and Open
Source. They have the freedom to "Share", "Modify" and "Use". They
don't care about being infected, data lost and privacy interfered.

But these reasons can't help ppl to think of which is the best
operating system because mostly ppl find the operating system that
meets their need is the best one like for those who has lot of money
will find Mac OS is the best and for those who are poor will see Linux/

GNU is appropriate for them and for ppl who like to have their data

lost, their pc infected, and their privacy violated they may see M$

Windows is better.

Well, the best operating system is up to ur own. no one beside you can
proof that it is best right?

--
"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to
shrink-wrap people's brains and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead."
Arundhati Roy (Author)http://www.weroy.org/index.shtml

[Virak.HOR]

I agree that Windows is easy to use! easy to click around! That's why I am saying the best OS for you is base on the level of your computing experiences. We're not talking about which OS is the most basic to use, but the best OS, right? So, that's why it depend [on you, as user] and your requirements of your computing. You can start with Windows, which is basic, or enter the UNIX world which has a lot of Destros [OS packages] to choose, http://distrowatch.com/ , and there is no limitation within those OSs. You can hack it around, break it apart and make it your own [dream] OS that meet all your needs and make you love to use your computer!

Like MoonOS, is just an example, that a kid trying to break one of a Linux Destro [OS] apart and make it his own way, remove thing he doesn't like and add thing he like, and pack it back as his own destro which he might cannot find any way to do it like that on Windows. We should praise him, as he got this great initiative at his basic level of computing. Things that he made might not be loved by others, but of cause it's for himself, it's what make he love to use his computer because he got Freedom to choose  and change what he like, and so does everyone!

But surprise! eventhought, his is having more than 15 OSs in VMWare,
he never think of use it as his primary OS nor dual boot with Windows.
He still say Windows is much easier to USE!

I do not know if you just try or really use it. I am sure, every OS is designed with with a purpose, without knowing its purpose you will be wrong in using it.
You might say this OS is not easy to use just because you cannot find any button to click around. Of cause it might not easy for you, because it is not designed for the basics, but it's for advance users, hackers, ... etc. However, there's no worry if you're basic, because you still have choices and freedom to choose in UNIX world. Projects like Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuSe ... are designed for you as basic users to get start and enjoy your computing experience. If you cannot find it easy, maybe it's not well design enough [for easiness] or you're under basic!

So, the best OS is depend on YOU! I am not trying to stop you from using Windows, but if you're on Windows maybe you can check yourself and look around. As i know you can get black screen any time if you're not paying the Bill. And if you have a security concern, like Paul has mentioned, of cause you cannot trust Microsoft because we do not know how many back doors, they put in your Windows.

A friend of mine worked in Ukraine for the Telecom there. When the Kosovo war started all of the Telecoms shut down. Why because they had back doors in their Microsoft products that allowed the US government to shut them down,

So stay safe. if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem!

cheers,
@viirak

[KhmerGang]

"Destro" ??????

Well, I don't know if your using Linux everyday or not. Maybe you're a
Linux expert!
But I never heard the word "Destro"!

I only know "Distro", maybe I'm wrong!!!

On Oct 7, 2:24 pm, "Virak.HOR" <vii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that Windows is easy to use! easy to click around! That's why I am
> saying the best OS for you is base on the level of your computing
> experiences. We're not talking about which OS is the most basic to use, but
> the best OS, right? So, that's why it depend [on you, as user] and your
> requirements of your computing. You can start with Windows, which is basic,

> or enter the UNIX world which has a lot of Destros [OS packages] to choose,http://distrowatch.com/, and there is no limitation within those OSs. You

> ...
>
> read more »

[SOK Sopheak]

Dear All Barcampers,

It is very interested topic. By nature, everything in the world is born with 2 ways (Negative way - Disadvantage | Positive way - Advantage). We cannot escape from this.

So at the same with this topic, There are no best OS in the world; but it could be the best for our own. Somebody might thinks that M$ Windows is best and other might thinks Open Source is best, and also some of the other could think MaC apple, or other is the best. So all the reasons of your idea that present on mailing list of barcamp are very good and reasonable. No one win, No one loose.

For my idea, If someone wants to know about which OS, you can start to learn about those OS and try it on. As the IT person should have specific skill and understand well of one OS but we also have to know about the concept of other one.
I remember before Barcamp there is one topic discuss about "To study IT skill". Some of us advise that "be a IT person or studying IT, we must study a lots and follow all the time." So at the same we have to continuing to understand other OS beside your at least the concept of those OS.

Finally, I don't know my idea is good or not but I still think that there are no best OS in the world.

Any feedback? Pls let me know...

Enjoy it and cheer

Sopheak,

----- Original Message -----
From: "Virak.HOR" <vii...@gmail.com>
To: barcampp...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 2:24:29 PM GMT +07:00 Bangkok, Hanoi, Jakarta
Subject: Re: Fwd: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

I agree that Windows is easy to use! easy to click around! That's why I am saying the best OS for you is base on the level of your computing experiences. We're not talking about which OS is the most basic to use, but the best OS, right? So, that's why it depend [on you, as user] and your requirements of your computing. You can start with Windows, which is basic, or enter the UNIX world which has a lot of Destros [OS packages] to choose, http://distrowatch.com/ , and there is no limitation within those OSs. You can hack it around, break it apart and make it your own [dream] OS that meet all your needs and make you love to use your computer!

[Virak.HOR]

As i said, I am not Linux expert nor English native.
I am just a simple user like you guys, who are keenin to learn.
You might found it's difficult to understand my word, but yea.. it's not ma native lang, n never got any degree on it.
However, hope u get the idea!

cheers,
viirak

--

[Chhay]

There is no such thing called The Best Operating System in the world,
each does have its advantages and disadvantages, and different people
will be best using different ones.

Microsoft Windows is the most common operating system and is a
reasonable choice for most people. ( holds 93% OSs Market Share )

MacOS X is the second-most popular (and gaining market share) and is
an excellent operating system for those who can purchase a Mac.
( holds 5% OSs Market Share )

Linux is a good operating system available for free and is recommended
for experienced users. ( holds only 1% OSs Market Share )

Choose the one that you think :
- is easy and spend less time to learn
- has comprehensive documentations and learning resources
- can gets your job done fast
- the one that you happy with it

Generally, people choosing a particular OS according to their work
environments only. If the company they's working with is using a
specific OS, they would be using that OS too, even they never like it.
So choosing a good OS sometime is not depend on you, but depend on
what company you are working with.

> I have seen this kind of topic everywhere over the last 9 years and people keep shouting and fighting with each other every minute for it.
> So let's stop shouting at other about this OLD FASHION topic
>Give Users The Right To Choose What They Really Need!

[Sophy PRAK]

Windows : ~ 87%  down rate

Mac        : ~ 6% up rate

Linux       :~4% up rate

Source : http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

[Gen Kanai]

On Oct 7, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Sophy PRAK wrote:

> Windows : ~ 87% down rate
> Mac : ~ 6% up rate
> Linux :~4% up rate
>
> Source : http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
>

w3schools data is very bad. I never trust it or recommend it.

Mac is now 12% global share.

http://www.loopinsight.com/2009/10/05/report-12-of-all-u-s-households-own-a-mac/

Gen
(uses all 3 major OSes)

[Sophy PRAK]

Wov Great! I agree with you Gen, because a lot of developers and rich and business people it. I think more than 12%

[Chhay]

The source you stated is just information that W3C collected from
W3Schools' log-files alone.

For more accurate data, see http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

On Oct 7, 4:12 pm, Sophy PRAK <sophy.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Windows : ~ 87%  down rateMac        : ~ 6% up rate

[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Virak.HOR wrote:
> If you know only Windows, you would say it's only best for
> you.

:D

That would explain the full hundreds of messages here... Thanks for this one Viirak:

"If you only know ONE thing, then sure it is the BEST thing."

:D

Jean-Philippe
--
The Three Major Kind of Tools

* Tools for hittings things to make them loose or to tighten them up or
jar their many complex, sophisticated electrical parts in such a
manner that they function perfectly. (These are your hammers, maces,
bludgeons, and truncheons.)

* Tools that, if dropped properly, can penetrate your foot. (Awls)

* Tools that nobody should ever use because the potential danger is far
greater than the value of any project that could possibly result.
(Power saws, power drills, power staplers, any kind of tool that uses
any kind of power more advanced than flashlight batteries.)
-- Dave Barry, "The Taming of the Screw"

[Chris Brown]

W3Schools is a site primarily used by web designers therefore their
stats generated from their traffic logs are going to reflect what the
average web designer uses, they never claim it to be a world
percentage. I imagine on a site for server admins Linux would be very
high and on a site popular with general computer users such as Google
then Microsoft would be higher.

On Oct 7, 4:28 pm, Gen Kanai <gka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Sophy PRAK wrote:
>
> > Windows : ~ 87%  down rate
> > Mac        : ~ 6% up rate
> > Linux       :~4% up rate
>
> > Source :http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
>
> w3schools data is very bad.  I never trust it or recommend it.
>
> Mac is now 12% global share.
>

> http://www.loopinsight.com/2009/10/05/report-12-of-all-u-s-households...

[Khou Suylong]

Alright, at last we can be sure and have to admit that M$ user is like new born babies IT geek. When they still young, they need not to do anything. Their parent will do things for them like changing dypers, cloth them, feed them, learn them to walk, learn them to speak etc..

But once he's getting older, he needs to do things himself. So like user, we admit it's good to start with M$, but soon we have to be mutual, then Open Source is the choice, because we can understand why things work and even modify it or make new out of it. Tell me when we are 20 years old, do we still need our parent to dress us up ?.

if yes, then stay with M$ and let them do things for you. to me I will do it myself, then Linux is my choice, so I won't be naked when my parent they all gone.

2009/10/6 Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>

--
Khou Suylong

[Samnang Chhun]

Wow, very very long conversation. From my short response to this topic is "The right tool for the right job". So you should choose the tool that could make you become more productive on your work. :-)

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Samnang

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[Tonn Saroth]

Thank you for let me know about what you are working right now about Window 7. well wait you

On 10/6/09, Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) <v-na...@microsoft.com> wrote:

Guys,
I understand you all excited about Free Software License, particularly with the exciting product like Windows 7.
Even you don't have activation key, you can still have some time to use the software.

Piseth is good enough to be recruited as Microsoft Student Partner, especially, he lives in Siem Reap.
As in the procedure, he need to send a one-time request for the product keys with one list of all everyone's email address from Microsoft in Singapore.
I think some people haven't sent him yet, and he wanted to give some time to these people before proceeding. Please give others some more time.

I would be thankful to open source people who try to share their knowledge to our Cambodian community.

For students, you are spending time and money to your study in order to get a good job. What platform is being used by businesses?
For NGO, Microsoft already provided a very good price to them with the rate of about 30% of commercial price.

For students, you even got it for free if you are in IT Department and your university signed agreement with Microsoft as Build Bright University already did.

Ok, I need to work.
Good luck to u all.

Best regards,

Nath CHAN
Technology Specialist, Microsoft MDP Cambodia
#230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh
Tel:   (+855) 23 726 818   Fax: (+855) 23 726 819
Mobile:   (+855) 12 751 848   /   (+855) 16 499 949 

-----Original Message-----
From: barcampp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:barcampp...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phnom Penh Computer Technology Co, LTD.
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:56 PM
To: barcampp...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

We must wait 7 weeks 7 days and 7 hours to get Windows 7 activation key.
We all probably spend money as 7 times as windows xp.

-----Original Message-----
From: barcampp...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:barcampp...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of sophy
Sent: 06/10/2009 10:51
To: BarCamp Phnom Penh
Subject: [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?

my friends install widows 7 also at Barcamppp, but now not yet get
license key for me I use Ubuntu no need Windows license and work still
continue but my friends they computers now format haha... wait...
windows 7 active key....

On Oct 6, 10:39 am, Sary Mam <msar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Has anyone received Microsoft Window Seven license key from Piseth? I have
> been trying to contact him, but his phone no given us is always of out
> network. What do you think happens?
> Or someone gets it, just say yes.
>
> Sary
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:15 AM, doro hak <hcd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So, do you have the description guide even .pdf file or other. Because I
> > don't know how to try!
>
> > Thank
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Nath Chan (Intl Vendor) <v-nat...@microsoft.com>
> > *To:* "barcampp...@googlegroups.com" <
> > barcampp...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Tue, October 6, 2009 10:00:44 AM
> > *Subject:* [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?
>
> >  It's for Windows Vista. The one for Windows 7 is in process.
>
> > This Khmer Language Pack is free of charge. As well, other updates and
> > service pack are also free.
>
> > Best regards,
>
> > Nath CHAN
>
> > Technology Specialist, *Microsoft MDP Cambodia*

>
> > #230A, Norodom Blvd.- Phnom Penh
>
> > Tel:   (+855) 23 726 818   Fax: (+855) 23 726 819
>
> > Mobile:   (+855) 12 751 848   /   (+855) 16 499 949 
>

> > *From:* barcampp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > barcampp...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *doro hak
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:49 AM
> > *To:* barcampp...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* [BarCamp Phnom Penh] Re: Which operating system is the best?
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > Does Khmer Language Pack is support for window vista or 7?
> > If you talk about Khmer OS, I have already as Doun Penh, Batambong Font;
> > however, I don't know how to type it?
> > Because, I use Macrosoft full license so it have all drive and file
update
> > through internet.
> >  ------------------------------
>
> > Related to which operation system is the best for us, I do support with
> > Mesa Koeun statement as *no OS is the best, it is good depend
on*circumstance. Furthermore, most of the software that supporting the
> > Macrosoft in the world and most of internet shop in Cambodia they use
MS.
>
> > Regard!
>
> --
> Mr. Mam Sary
> The Sharing Foundation
> Roteang, Phum Thom, Kien Svay, Kandal
> English Program and Computer School Manager
> Tel: 855-12520407
> E-mail: msar...@gmail.com; msar...@yahoo.com
> Blog: sary-creative.blogspot.com




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[Lonh Samdy]

Nice state i like it.

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