Before asking for your input let me give you the back story.
After the last BarCamp Orlando, Gregg caught a lot of flack on what is
and is not BarCamp. As a result, he decided to not be involved in the
next one (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/browse_thread/ thread/d0eddadfbc31f617). At that time I said that I would step up and
coordinate the next one, and Dan Kinchen said he would pitch in as
well. In a later post (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/ browse_thread/thread/9e544b48b594e6c8) Mike Blake said he would
volunteer to have the next planning meeting at his house in order to
facilitate coordination.
In listening to what many of you had to say about what is and is not
BarCamp, I offered the suggestion that if we could find a single
sponsor to provide the venue (and possibly equipment) then BarCamp
could be done without any sponsors required. It would purely be people
getting together to get together - no guaranteed speaking spots, no
commercialization, and no one getting credit (or getting beat up).
We have an opportunity to make this happen.
** The Opportunity ***
Ryan Price had a chance to speak with Katrina, who is coordinating
Create Chaos 2008 (http://www.createchaos.com/08/). Knowing that Dan
and I were interested in helping coordinate another BarCamp, he set up
a meeting with Katrina (along with himself and Eric) and we met over
coffee. I am getting more details on how exactly things would work,
however, what I do know is that they would provide a room and the
required AV equipment. This means that BarCamp would be at Create
Chaos during one night of the conference. As I see it here are the
pros/cons:
Pros
- Venue
- AV equipment
- 2500 creative professionals in attendance
- While we would of course say that Create Chaos provided the room,
they wouldn't require "sponsorship" status
- No complex coordination required - all we would need is a white
board for the schedule, a room moderator, and people to show up
- We wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for stuff as there would be
nothing to pay for
Cons
- No shwag (including t-shirt)
- No food provided (thought they have multiple restaurants and a
Starbucks in the hotel)
** The Big Question **
So, while I gather more details about how large the room would be, and
what night of the conference BarCamp would be, and more, my questions
for you are:
1. Would you all be interested in this?
2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come?
3. Knowing how many people feel about what is/is not BarCamp, would
the name "BarCamp Orlando" being attached to it be, in your opinion,
good, bad, or neither?
I look forward to hearing what you all think. Thanks!
1. Yes 2. Yes, of course. 3. I am indifferent. It's sad what happened, and I'm almost not interested in being involved in anything with so much drama (I like my laid back life) but I'd be willing to give it a go, especially when you're putting it together.
It's a great idea, and I think it would work well.
> Before asking for your input let me give you the back story.
> After the last BarCamp Orlando, Gregg caught a lot of flack on what is > and is not BarCamp. As a result, he decided to not be involved in the > next one (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/browse_thread/ > thread/d0eddadfbc31f617). At that time I said that I would step up and > coordinate the next one, and Dan Kinchen said he would pitch in as > well. In a later post (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/ > browse_thread/thread/9e544b48b594e6c8) Mike Blake said he would > volunteer to have the next planning meeting at his house in order to > facilitate coordination.
> In listening to what many of you had to say about what is and is not > BarCamp, I offered the suggestion that if we could find a single > sponsor to provide the venue (and possibly equipment) then BarCamp > could be done without any sponsors required. It would purely be people > getting together to get together - no guaranteed speaking spots, no > commercialization, and no one getting credit (or getting beat up).
> We have an opportunity to make this happen.
> ** The Opportunity ***
> Ryan Price had a chance to speak with Katrina, who is coordinating > Create Chaos 2008 (http://www.createchaos.com/08/). Knowing that Dan > and I were interested in helping coordinate another BarCamp, he set up > a meeting with Katrina (along with himself and Eric) and we met over > coffee. I am getting more details on how exactly things would work, > however, what I do know is that they would provide a room and the > required AV equipment. This means that BarCamp would be at Create > Chaos during one night of the conference. As I see it here are the > pros/cons:
> Pros > - Venue > - AV equipment > - 2500 creative professionals in attendance > - While we would of course say that Create Chaos provided the room, > they wouldn't require "sponsorship" status > - No complex coordination required - all we would need is a white > board for the schedule, a room moderator, and people to show up > - We wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for stuff as there would be > nothing to pay for
> Cons > - No shwag (including t-shirt) > - No food provided (thought they have multiple restaurants and a > Starbucks in the hotel)
> ** The Big Question ** > So, while I gather more details about how large the room would be, and > what night of the conference BarCamp would be, and more, my questions > for you are:
> 1. Would you all be interested in this? > 2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come? > 3. Knowing how many people feel about what is/is not BarCamp, would > the name "BarCamp Orlando" being attached to it be, in your opinion, > good, bad, or neither?
> I look forward to hearing what you all think. Thanks!
Also -- to answer your third question. I've always considered a foo/bar camp to be about an informal series of presentations put on by whoever put their name on the board. Food and shirts are unrelated -- they can either be present or not.
On 7/1/08, Tim Rosenblatt <t...@timrosenblatt.com> wrote:
> I am willing to be involved with this next event, both planning and > attending. I thought last years conference was fantastic.
> On 7/1/08, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> Before asking for your input let me give you the back story.
>> After the last BarCamp Orlando, Gregg caught a lot of flack on what is >> and is not BarCamp. As a result, he decided to not be involved in the >> next one (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/browse_thread/ >> thread/d0eddadfbc31f617). At that time I said that I would step up and >> coordinate the next one, and Dan Kinchen said he would pitch in as >> well. In a later post (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/ >> browse_thread/thread/9e544b48b594e6c8) Mike Blake said he would >> volunteer to have the next planning meeting at his house in order to >> facilitate coordination.
>> In listening to what many of you had to say about what is and is not >> BarCamp, I offered the suggestion that if we could find a single >> sponsor to provide the venue (and possibly equipment) then BarCamp >> could be done without any sponsors required. It would purely be people >> getting together to get together - no guaranteed speaking spots, no >> commercialization, and no one getting credit (or getting beat up).
>> We have an opportunity to make this happen.
>> ** The Opportunity ***
>> Ryan Price had a chance to speak with Katrina, who is coordinating >> Create Chaos 2008 (http://www.createchaos.com/08/). Knowing that Dan >> and I were interested in helping coordinate another BarCamp, he set up >> a meeting with Katrina (along with himself and Eric) and we met over >> coffee. I am getting more details on how exactly things would work, >> however, what I do know is that they would provide a room and the >> required AV equipment. This means that BarCamp would be at Create >> Chaos during one night of the conference. As I see it here are the >> pros/cons:
>> Pros >> - Venue >> - AV equipment >> - 2500 creative professionals in attendance >> - While we would of course say that Create Chaos provided the room, >> they wouldn't require "sponsorship" status >> - No complex coordination required - all we would need is a white >> board for the schedule, a room moderator, and people to show up >> - We wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for stuff as there would be >> nothing to pay for
>> Cons >> - No shwag (including t-shirt) >> - No food provided (thought they have multiple restaurants and a >> Starbucks in the hotel)
>> ** The Big Question ** >> So, while I gather more details about how large the room would be, and >> what night of the conference BarCamp would be, and more, my questions >> for you are:
>> 1. Would you all be interested in this? >> 2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come? >> 3. Knowing how many people feel about what is/is not BarCamp, would >> the name "BarCamp Orlando" being attached to it be, in your opinion, >> good, bad, or neither?
>> I look forward to hearing what you all think. Thanks!
On Jul 1, 12:55 am, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1. Would you all be interested in this?
It depends on what "this" is. If it is BarCamp, then definitely. If it
is BarCamp piggybacking on Create Chaos, I guess I'm just wondering if
it is necessary. While it would be nice to have a venue and equipment
provided, it looks like the crowd for Create Chaos is more focused on
traditional design with some web design. There would likely be some
people there interested in BarCamp, however, it doesn't seem like a
solid fit to me.
I wasn't involved in the planning/sponsorship the past couple years,
but it seems like BarCamp doesn't have a problem working as a stand-
alone event. I think that says a great deal about the community,
BarCamp, and those that spent their time to make it happen. I guess
what it boils down to is do we want to do this because it makes sense
or because it is convenient? I'm not saying there isn't any weight to
the latter, but the way this event unfolds will have an impact on how
we and others view the community.
> 2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come?
I probably wouldn't due to the location and being on a weekday
evening. It was nice to have the past couple BarCamps at local
restaurants/bars that were central to downtown. Personally, I'd rather
go on a weekend day than a weeknight.
How much time will we have to do this on a weeknight and what does
that mean for presentation time/volume?
> 3. Knowing how many people feel about what is/is not BarCamp, would
> the name "BarCamp Orlando" being attached to it be, in your opinion,
> good, bad, or neither?
Anything that sticks to as much of the BarCamp philosophy as possible
should be called BarCamp.
> > 2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come?
> I probably wouldn't due to the location and being on a weekday
> evening. It was nice to have the past couple BarCamps at local
> restaurants/bars that were central to downtown. Personally, I'd rather
> go on a weekend day than a weeknight.
Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri)
expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
What day could we get?
Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the table?
On Jul 1, 8:05 am, Chris Scott <cjscot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 12:55 am, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1. Would you all be interested in this?
> It depends on what "this" is. If it is BarCamp, then definitely. If it
> is BarCamp piggybacking on Create Chaos, I guess I'm just wondering if
> it is necessary. While it would be nice to have a venue and equipment
> provided, it looks like the crowd for Create Chaos is more focused on
> traditional design with some web design. There would likely be some
> people there interested in BarCamp, however, it doesn't seem like a
> solid fit to me.
> I wasn't involved in the planning/sponsorship the past couple years,
> but it seems like BarCamp doesn't have a problem working as a stand-
> alone event. I think that says a great deal about the community,
> BarCamp, and those that spent their time to make it happen. I guess
> what it boils down to is do we want to do this because it makes sense
> or because it is convenient? I'm not saying there isn't any weight to
> the latter, but the way this event unfolds will have an impact on how
> we and others view the community.
> > 2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come?
> I probably wouldn't due to the location and being on a weekday
> evening. It was nice to have the past couple BarCamps at local
> restaurants/bars that were central to downtown. Personally, I'd rather
> go on a weekend day than a weeknight.
> How much time will we have to do this on a weeknight and what does
> that mean for presentation time/volume?
> > 3. Knowing how many people feel about what is/is not BarCamp, would
> > the name "BarCamp Orlando" being attached to it be, in your opinion,
> > good, bad, or neither?
> Anything that sticks to as much of the BarCamp philosophy as possible
> should be called BarCamp.
> Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
> conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri)
> expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
> What day could we get?
I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking
perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that everyone
could go to.
> Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the table?
There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone
about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create
Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the
community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. If it
was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and
it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the
venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
> > Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
> > conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) > > expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
> > What day could we get?
> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking > perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that everyone > could go to.
> > Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the table?
> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone > about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create > Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the > community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. If it > was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and > it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the > venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
Thanks to Ryan for connecting Dan and I to Katrina, and thanks to
Gregg for doing BarCampOrlando in the first place. We have a great and
growing community that I am glad to be a part of. According to the
Orlando Business Journal and Orlando Sentinel, Orlando tech is
growing. Let's keep it that way. BarCamp is a way for all of us to put
aside our differences on things such as programming languages, web
frameworks, text editors, operating systems, and any biases to non-
programmer people we know, and have a great time learning from each
other.
It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience provided. The cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's pretty far "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could end up being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and a lot of out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like barcamp austin -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;)
If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a cap or simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no logo or anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc).
Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those lines -- something where an individual with a project can still reasonably do it, and something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, its also something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored by Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" Sponsorships above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if only via perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or something like that.
I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, let's say $200, to get it started.
Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando.
Best,
Alex
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
> > conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) > > expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
> > What day could we get?
> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking > perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that everyone > could go to.
> > Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the table?
> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone > about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create > Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the > community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. If it > was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and > it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the > venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm going to let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The last two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when people criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have me, I'd be happy to still help out.
If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little too rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This felt right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more questions.
If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 hours (6 to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not sure this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see what happens. ;-)
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff <arudl...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience provided. The > cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's pretty far > "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could end up > being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and a lot of > out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like barcamp austin > -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) > I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) > If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a cap or > simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no logo or > anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). > Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those lines -- > something where an individual with a project can still reasonably do it, and > something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, its also > something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored by > Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" Sponsorships > above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if only via > perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or something > like that. > I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, let's say > $200, to get it started. > Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. > Best, > Alex
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>> > conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >> > expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>> > What day could we get?
>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking >> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that everyone >> could go to.
>> > Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the table?
>> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone >> about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create >> Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the >> community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. If it >> was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and >> it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the >> venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
Also wanted to remind you that if you all were doing BarCamp Chaos in
the evening connecting with other attendees we have, we will also
allow attendees of BarCamp to enter into the Expo hall with a special
pass during that day if they wish. Since many locals will be taking a
trip to the expo at some point during that week anyway (Wed. being the
most popular day), they would just stay after for the BarCamp-ness on
Wed evening.
I would need to know ASAP as, as you can imagine with this being a
national "super-conference" connective ten different creative
industries...people are literally bugging me for that space right now.
I also need to know now because we are posting logos/links/info on the
Web site with all our partner conferences and doing a major PR push
this and next week. If you are riding the Chaos wave, need to know
asap. If not, best of luck and I'm sure I'll be seeing many of you at
the Expo anyway. ;-)
On Jul 1, 12:55 am, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Before asking for your input let me give you the back story.
> After the last BarCamp Orlando, Gregg caught a lot of flack on what is
> and is not BarCamp. As a result, he decided to not be involved in the
> next one (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/browse_thread/ > thread/d0eddadfbc31f617). At that time I said that I would step up and
> coordinate the next one, and Dan Kinchen said he would pitch in as
> well. In a later post (http://groups.google.com/group/barcamporlando/ > browse_thread/thread/9e544b48b594e6c8) Mike Blake said he would
> volunteer to have the next planning meeting at his house in order to
> facilitate coordination.
> In listening to what many of you had to say about what is and is not
> BarCamp, I offered the suggestion that if we could find a single
> sponsor to provide the venue (and possibly equipment) then BarCamp
> could be done without any sponsors required. It would purely be people
> getting together to get together - no guaranteed speaking spots, no
> commercialization, and no one getting credit (or getting beat up).
> We have an opportunity to make this happen.
> ** The Opportunity ***
> Ryan Price had a chance to speak with Katrina, who is coordinating
> Create Chaos 2008 (http://www.createchaos.com/08/). Knowing that Dan
> and I were interested in helping coordinate another BarCamp, he set up
> a meeting with Katrina (along with himself and Eric) and we met over
> coffee. I am getting more details on how exactly things would work,
> however, what I do know is that they would provide a room and the
> required AV equipment. This means that BarCamp would be at Create
> Chaos during one night of the conference. As I see it here are the
> pros/cons:
> Pros
> - Venue
> - AV equipment
> - 2500 creative professionals in attendance
> - While we would of course say that Create Chaos provided the room,
> they wouldn't require "sponsorship" status
> - No complex coordination required - all we would need is a white
> board for the schedule, a room moderator, and people to show up
> - We wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for stuff as there would be
> nothing to pay for
> Cons
> - No shwag (including t-shirt)
> - No food provided (thought they have multiple restaurants and a
> Starbucks in the hotel)
> ** The Big Question **
> So, while I gather more details about how large the room would be, and
> what night of the conference BarCamp would be, and more, my questions
> for you are:
> 1. Would you all be interested in this?
> 2. If we had an unconference during Create Chaos would you come?
> 3. Knowing how many people feel about what is/is not BarCamp, would
> the name "BarCamp Orlando" being attached to it be, in your opinion,
> good, bad, or neither?
> I look forward to hearing what you all think. Thanks!
I guess we have to discuss the pro & cons of having barcamp at that event. We need some type of voting system or something... How do you make decisions as a community?
We have all these people with different opinions;
- sponsors Vs. no sponsors - t-shirts Vs. no t-shirts - leaders Vs. no leaders
How do we create a system where everyone is happy? I am sure if everyone agreed to make decisions as a community with some type of fair system in place where the majority rule is the deciding factor we can go a lot farther.
I am just brainstorming here. On another note;
I have been talking with a few people on putting together an Ignite Orlando. I actually already purchased the domain a couple of months ago.
Dan Kinchen -President One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 Lake Mary, Florida 32746 Phone: (407) 322-2555 Website: www.oness.com
[mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Pollack Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:44 AM To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm going to let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The last two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when people criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have me, I'd be happy to still help out.
If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little too rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This felt right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more questions.
If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 hours (6 to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not sure this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see what happens. ;-)
Thoughts?
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff <arudl...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience provided. The > cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's pretty far > "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could end up > being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and a lot of > out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like barcamp austin > -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) > I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) > If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a cap or > simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no logo or > anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). > Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those lines -- > something where an individual with a project can still reasonably do it, and > something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, its also > something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored by > Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" Sponsorships > above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if only via > perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or something > like that. > I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, let's say > $200, to get it started. > Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. > Best, > Alex
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>> > conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >> > expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>> > What day could we get?
>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking >> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that everyone >> could go to.
>> > Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the table?
>> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone >> about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create >> Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the >> community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. If it >> was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and >> it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the >> venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
Well, I guess this is what I get for going one day without emails...
1. Doing this even twice a year is a big deal - I don't know of any BarCamps that do so, but instead the communities end up supporting more specific things like iPhoneDevCamp, GeoCamp, PodCamp, DrupalCamp, RubyCamp, RoboCamp, JellyCamp, TransformerCamp, CookingCamp, and CampingCamp (not all of those are real, but I bet if we scheduled them, someone would show up).
2. An unconference does not need to have a set duration, specific topics or t-shirts. Something like BlogOrlando has all 3, but it is much less unconference than a cluster-F like BarCamp. If you want to do an all-weekend, multi-room, "pull out all the stops" type event, then you are welcome to do so. We have this space for either Wednesday or Thursday, and whether it's Ignite, BarCamp, Pecha Kucha Night, Demo, or just WhatevCamp, I don't particularly care, but Katrina and her crew were nice enough to offer us the space, so let's grab it before we've missed the opportunity.
3. The original reason for starting Florida Creatives was to get to a point where we can have a week-long event akin to SXSW or similar conferences, but I was thinking we could wait until the community was ready to support such an event... I think the only way to get to that point is by having several smaller events in between all the big ones, to have a cast of regulars that help make the connections, bring the social aspects, celebrities, traditions, and most of all a reputation within the community.
Looks like a few people believe that hosting a shorter event on a weeknight will have an effect on the reputation of BarCamp... I'm not sure I agree, but if that's so, then let's figure out what sort of event we want to have if it's not BarCamp. Stat.
Peace, Ryan Price 407-484-8528
Sure sure, I just said that I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would like it to be BarCamp. I get it, so please don't reply with that.
> I guess we have to discuss the pro & cons of having barcamp at that > event. > We need some type of voting system or something... How do you make > decisions > as a community?
> We have all these people with different opinions;
> - sponsors Vs. no sponsors > - t-shirts Vs. no t-shirts > - leaders Vs. no leaders
> How do we create a system where everyone is happy? I am sure if > everyone > agreed to make decisions as a community with some type of fair > system in > place where the majority rule is the deciding factor we can go a lot > farther.
> I am just brainstorming here. On another note;
> I have been talking with a few people on putting together an Ignite > Orlando. > I actually already purchased the domain a couple of months ago.
> Dan Kinchen -President > One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants > 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 > Lake Mary, Florida 32746 > Phone: (407) 322-2555 > Website: www.oness.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com > [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Pollack > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:44 AM > To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com > Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
> Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
> I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with > BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm going to > let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The last > two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and > what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when people > criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have > me, I'd be happy to still help out.
> If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not > sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first > BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little too > rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the > talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This felt > right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more > questions.
> If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 hours (6 > to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two > rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out > all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt > we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just > doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not sure > this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We > have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an > awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
> So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
> Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an > opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See > http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
> If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only > got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
> Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see what > happens. ;-)
> Thoughts?
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff <arudl...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience >> provided. The >> cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's >> pretty > far >> "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could >> end up >> being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and >> a lot > of >> out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like barcamp > austin >> -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) >> I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) >> If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a >> cap or >> simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no logo or >> anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). >> Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those >> lines -- >> something where an individual with a project can still reasonably >> do it, > and >> something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, >> its also >> something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored by >> Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" >> Sponsorships >> above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if >> only > via >> perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or >> something >> like that. >> I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, >> let's > say >> $200, to get it started. >> Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. >> Best, >> Alex
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey >> <robertonra...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>>> Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>>>> conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >>>> expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>>>> What day could we get?
>>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking >>> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that >>> everyone >>> could go to.
>>>> Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the >>>> table?
>>> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone >>> about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create >>> Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the >>> community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. >>> If it >>> was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and >>> it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the >>> venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
"I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would like it to be BarCamp"
Agreed, same here.
Dan Kinchen -President One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 Lake Mary, Florida 32746 Phone: (407) 322-2555 Website: www.oness.com
[mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Price Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
Well, I guess this is what I get for going one day without emails...
1. Doing this even twice a year is a big deal - I don't know of any BarCamps that do so, but instead the communities end up supporting more specific things like iPhoneDevCamp, GeoCamp, PodCamp, DrupalCamp, RubyCamp, RoboCamp, JellyCamp, TransformerCamp, CookingCamp, and CampingCamp (not all of those are real, but I bet if we scheduled them, someone would show up).
2. An unconference does not need to have a set duration, specific topics or t-shirts. Something like BlogOrlando has all 3, but it is much less unconference than a cluster-F like BarCamp. If you want to do an all-weekend, multi-room, "pull out all the stops" type event, then you are welcome to do so. We have this space for either Wednesday or Thursday, and whether it's Ignite, BarCamp, Pecha Kucha Night, Demo, or just WhatevCamp, I don't particularly care, but Katrina and her crew were nice enough to offer us the space, so let's grab it before we've missed the opportunity.
3. The original reason for starting Florida Creatives was to get to a point where we can have a week-long event akin to SXSW or similar conferences, but I was thinking we could wait until the community was ready to support such an event... I think the only way to get to that point is by having several smaller events in between all the big ones, to have a cast of regulars that help make the connections, bring the social aspects, celebrities, traditions, and most of all a reputation within the community.
Looks like a few people believe that hosting a shorter event on a weeknight will have an effect on the reputation of BarCamp... I'm not sure I agree, but if that's so, then let's figure out what sort of event we want to have if it's not BarCamp. Stat.
Peace, Ryan Price 407-484-8528
Sure sure, I just said that I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would like it to be BarCamp. I get it, so please don't reply with that.
On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Dan Kinchen wrote:
> I guess we have to discuss the pro & cons of having barcamp at that > event. > We need some type of voting system or something... How do you make > decisions > as a community?
> We have all these people with different opinions;
> - sponsors Vs. no sponsors > - t-shirts Vs. no t-shirts > - leaders Vs. no leaders
> How do we create a system where everyone is happy? I am sure if > everyone > agreed to make decisions as a community with some type of fair > system in > place where the majority rule is the deciding factor we can go a lot > farther.
> I am just brainstorming here. On another note;
> I have been talking with a few people on putting together an Ignite > Orlando. > I actually already purchased the domain a couple of months ago.
> Dan Kinchen -President > One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants > 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 > Lake Mary, Florida 32746 > Phone: (407) 322-2555 > Website: www.oness.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com > [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Pollack > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:44 AM > To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com > Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
> Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
> I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with > BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm going to > let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The last > two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and > what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when people > criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have > me, I'd be happy to still help out.
> If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not > sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first > BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little too > rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the > talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This felt > right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more > questions.
> If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 hours (6 > to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two > rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out > all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt > we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just > doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not sure > this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We > have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an > awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
> So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
> Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an > opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See > http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
> If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only > got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
> Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see what > happens. ;-)
> Thoughts?
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff <arudl...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience >> provided. The >> cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's >> pretty > far >> "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could >> end up >> being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and >> a lot > of >> out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like barcamp > austin >> -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) >> I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) >> If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a >> cap or >> simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no logo or >> anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). >> Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those >> lines -- >> something where an individual with a project can still reasonably >> do it, > and >> something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, >> its also >> something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored by >> Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" >> Sponsorships >> above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if >> only > via >> perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or >> something >> like that. >> I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, >> let's > say >> $200, to get it started. >> Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. >> Best, >> Alex
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey >> <robertonra...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>>> Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>>>> conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >>>> expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>>>> What day could we get?
>>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking >>> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that >>> everyone >>> could go to.
>>>> Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the >>>> table?
>>> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone >>> about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create >>> Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to the >>> community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. >>> If it >>> was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything and >>> it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on the >>> venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
> "I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would like it to be BarCamp"
> Agreed, same here.
> Dan Kinchen -President > One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants > 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 > Lake Mary, Florida 32746 > Phone: (407) 322-2555 > Website: www.oness.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com > [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Price > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM > To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com > Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
> Well, I guess this is what I get for going one day without emails...
> 1. Doing this even twice a year is a big deal - I don't know of any > BarCamps that do so, but instead the communities end up supporting > more specific things like iPhoneDevCamp, GeoCamp, PodCamp, > DrupalCamp, RubyCamp, RoboCamp, JellyCamp, TransformerCamp, > CookingCamp, and CampingCamp (not all of those are real, but I bet if > we scheduled them, someone would show up).
> 2. An unconference does not need to have a set duration, specific > topics or t-shirts. Something like BlogOrlando has all 3, but it is > much less unconference than a cluster-F like BarCamp. If you want to > do an all-weekend, multi-room, "pull out all the stops" type event, > then you are welcome to do so. We have this space for either > Wednesday or Thursday, and whether it's Ignite, BarCamp, Pecha Kucha > Night, Demo, or just WhatevCamp, I don't particularly care, but > Katrina and her crew were nice enough to offer us the space, so let's > grab it before we've missed the opportunity.
> 3. The original reason for starting Florida Creatives was to get to a > point where we can have a week-long event akin to SXSW or similar > conferences, but I was thinking we could wait until the community was > ready to support such an event... I think the only way to get to that > point is by having several smaller events in between all the big > ones, to have a cast of regulars that help make the connections, > bring the social aspects, celebrities, traditions, and most of all a > reputation within the community.
> Looks like a few people believe that hosting a shorter event on a > weeknight will have an effect on the reputation of BarCamp... I'm not > sure I agree, but if that's so, then let's figure out what sort of > event we want to have if it's not BarCamp. Stat.
> Peace, > Ryan Price > 407-484-8528
> Sure sure, I just said that I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would > like it to be BarCamp. I get it, so please don't reply with that.
> On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Dan Kinchen wrote:
>> I guess we have to discuss the pro & cons of having barcamp at that >> event. >> We need some type of voting system or something... How do you make >> decisions >> as a community?
>> We have all these people with different opinions;
>> - sponsors Vs. no sponsors >> - t-shirts Vs. no t-shirts >> - leaders Vs. no leaders
>> How do we create a system where everyone is happy? I am sure if >> everyone >> agreed to make decisions as a community with some type of fair >> system in >> place where the majority rule is the deciding factor we can go a lot >> farther.
>> I am just brainstorming here. On another note;
>> I have been talking with a few people on putting together an Ignite >> Orlando. >> I actually already purchased the domain a couple of months ago.
>> Dan Kinchen -President >> One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants >> 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 >> Lake Mary, Florida 32746 >> Phone: (407) 322-2555 >> Website: www.oness.com
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Pollack >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:44 AM >> To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
>> Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
>> I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with >> BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm going to >> let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The >> last >> two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and >> what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when people >> criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have >> me, I'd be happy to still help out.
>> If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not >> sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first >> BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little >> too >> rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the >> talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This >> felt >> right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more >> questions.
>> If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 hours (6 >> to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two >> rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out >> all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt >> we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just >> doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not sure >> this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We >> have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an >> awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
>> So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
>> Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an >> opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See >> http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
>> If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you only >> got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
>> Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see >> what >> happens. ;-)
>> Thoughts?
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff >> <arudl...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience >>> provided. The >>> cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's >>> pretty >> far >>> "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could >>> end up >>> being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and >>> a lot >> of >>> out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like >>> barcamp >> austin >>> -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) >>> I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) >>> If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a >>> cap or >>> simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no logo or >>> anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). >>> Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those >>> lines -- >>> something where an individual with a project can still reasonably >>> do it, >> and >>> something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, >>> its also >>> something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored >>> by >>> Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" >>> Sponsorships >>> above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if >>> only >> via >>> perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or >>> something >>> like that. >>> I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, >>> let's >> say >>> $200, to get it started. >>> Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. >>> Best, >>> Alex
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey >>> <robertonra...@gmail.com> >>> wrote:
>>>>> Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>>>>> conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >>>>> expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>>>>> What day could we get?
>>>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was thinking >>>> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that >>>> everyone >>>> could go to.
>>>>> Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the >>>>> table?
>>>> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging everyone >>>> about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create >>>> Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to >>>> the >>>> community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. >>>> If it >>>> was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything >>>> and >>>> it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on >>>> the >>>> venue are forthcoming. As soon as I have them I'll post them here.
And to further expand on that, what I mean is this:
I grow weary of the debate. This is an opportunity that I don't want
to pass up, as Ryan said. Dan and I have been working on a 'Spark
Orlando' so as to stay away from currently branded un/conferences.
Dan - if you are cool with it, let's make this the first Spark Orlando
event. We can make it a BarCamp-style event with no sponsors, no
shwag, and just focus on getting people in the door and up on stage to
present on whatever they want to present on.
I am sure, as Ryan says, that people will show even if it is for an
evening and not an all day event. Then, if there is to be another
BarCampOrlando, it can be a larger event as Gregg wants. Frankly I
don't care how big it is, if I get a guaranteed speaking time, if I
get credit for doing anything for it, or if there is shwag. I just
want it to be.
May I propose an impromptu BarCamp planning session, sometime before Katrina's next deadline? Which is apparently ASAP...?
Maybe Sunday? I heard Mike Blake's house mentioned, but I don't want to volunteer him without asking... What time is good? Noon? 3pm? 6pm?
If we lack a location, how about Stardust? There is ample space. I'm sure there are also several folks with access to offices that could be used - I can get us into the Incubator in the Angebilt Building (upstairs from Slingapour's), which seats 8-12 people comfortably in the conference room.
Peace, Ryan
On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Robert Dempsey wrote:
>> "I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would like it to be BarCamp"
>> Agreed, same here.
>> Dan Kinchen -President >> One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants >> 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 >> Lake Mary, Florida 32746 >> Phone: (407) 322-2555 >> Website: www.oness.com
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Price >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM >> To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
>> Well, I guess this is what I get for going one day without emails...
>> 1. Doing this even twice a year is a big deal - I don't know of any >> BarCamps that do so, but instead the communities end up supporting >> more specific things like iPhoneDevCamp, GeoCamp, PodCamp, >> DrupalCamp, RubyCamp, RoboCamp, JellyCamp, TransformerCamp, >> CookingCamp, and CampingCamp (not all of those are real, but I bet if >> we scheduled them, someone would show up).
>> 2. An unconference does not need to have a set duration, specific >> topics or t-shirts. Something like BlogOrlando has all 3, but it is >> much less unconference than a cluster-F like BarCamp. If you want to >> do an all-weekend, multi-room, "pull out all the stops" type event, >> then you are welcome to do so. We have this space for either >> Wednesday or Thursday, and whether it's Ignite, BarCamp, Pecha Kucha >> Night, Demo, or just WhatevCamp, I don't particularly care, but >> Katrina and her crew were nice enough to offer us the space, so let's >> grab it before we've missed the opportunity.
>> 3. The original reason for starting Florida Creatives was to get to a >> point where we can have a week-long event akin to SXSW or similar >> conferences, but I was thinking we could wait until the community was >> ready to support such an event... I think the only way to get to that >> point is by having several smaller events in between all the big >> ones, to have a cast of regulars that help make the connections, >> bring the social aspects, celebrities, traditions, and most of all a >> reputation within the community.
>> Looks like a few people believe that hosting a shorter event on a >> weeknight will have an effect on the reputation of BarCamp... I'm not >> sure I agree, but if that's so, then let's figure out what sort of >> event we want to have if it's not BarCamp. Stat.
>> Peace, >> Ryan Price >> 407-484-8528
>> Sure sure, I just said that I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would >> like it to be BarCamp. I get it, so please don't reply with that.
>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Dan Kinchen wrote:
>>> I guess we have to discuss the pro & cons of having barcamp at that >>> event. >>> We need some type of voting system or something... How do you make >>> decisions >>> as a community?
>>> We have all these people with different opinions;
>>> - sponsors Vs. no sponsors >>> - t-shirts Vs. no t-shirts >>> - leaders Vs. no leaders
>>> How do we create a system where everyone is happy? I am sure if >>> everyone >>> agreed to make decisions as a community with some type of fair >>> system in >>> place where the majority rule is the deciding factor we can go a lot >>> farther.
>>> I am just brainstorming here. On another note;
>>> I have been talking with a few people on putting together an Ignite >>> Orlando. >>> I actually already purchased the domain a couple of months ago.
>>> Dan Kinchen -President >>> One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants >>> 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 >>> Lake Mary, Florida 32746 >>> Phone: (407) 322-2555 >>> Website: www.oness.com
>>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Pollack >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:44 AM >>> To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
>>> Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
>>> I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with >>> BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm >>> going to >>> let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The >>> last >>> two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and >>> what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when >>> people >>> criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have >>> me, I'd be happy to still help out.
>>> If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not >>> sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first >>> BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little >>> too >>> rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the >>> talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This >>> felt >>> right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more >>> questions.
>>> If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 >>> hours (6 >>> to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two >>> rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out >>> all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt >>> we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just >>> doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not >>> sure >>> this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We >>> have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an >>> awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
>>> So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
>>> Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an >>> opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See >>> http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
>>> If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you >>> only >>> got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
>>> Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see >>> what >>> happens. ;-)
>>> Thoughts?
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff >>> <arudl...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience >>>> provided. The >>>> cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's >>>> pretty >>> far >>>> "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could >>>> end up >>>> being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and >>>> a lot >>> of >>>> out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like >>>> barcamp >>> austin >>>> -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) >>>> I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) >>>> If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a >>>> cap or >>>> simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no >>>> logo or >>>> anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). >>>> Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those >>>> lines -- >>>> something where an individual with a project can still reasonably >>>> do it, >>> and >>>> something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, >>>> its also >>>> something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored >>>> by >>>> Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" >>>> Sponsorships >>>> above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if >>>> only >>> via >>>> perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or >>>> something >>>> like that. >>>> I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, >>>> let's >>> say >>>> $200, to get it started. >>>> Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. >>>> Best, >>>> Alex
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey >>>> <robertonra...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>>>>>> conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >>>>>> expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>>>>>> What day could we get?
>>>>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was >>>>> thinking >>>>> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that >>>>> everyone >>>>> could go to.
>>>>>> Has the possibility of downtown Orlando been taken off of the >>>>>> table?
>>>>> There isn't anything set in stone about this. I am pinging >>>>> everyone >>>>> about whether they would/would not like to have BarCamp at Create >>>>> Chaos as they would provide a venue and AV equipment. It's up to >>>>> the >>>>> community whether they want to have it there or someplace else. >>>>> If it >>>>> was Create we wouldn't need to find sponsors to pay for anything >>>>> and >>>>> it wouldn't require large coordination overhead. More details on >>>>> the >>>>> venue are forthcoming. As
> May I propose an impromptu BarCamp planning session, sometime before
> Katrina's next deadline? Which is apparently ASAP...?
> Maybe Sunday? I heard Mike Blake's house mentioned, but I don't want
> to volunteer him without asking... What time is good? Noon? 3pm? 6pm?
> If we lack a location, how about Stardust? There is ample space. I'm
> sure there are also several folks with access to offices that could
> be used - I can get us into the Incubator in the Angebilt Building
> (upstairs from Slingapour's), which seats 8-12 people comfortably in
> the conference room.
I do not know about Sunday, but could if needed. If we can get enough people that actually will help make a decision, then I could make it for a short period of time. Weekdays are good for me.
Dan Kinchen -President One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 Lake Mary, Florida 32746 Phone: (407) 322-2555 Website: www.oness.com
[mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Price Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:47 AM To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
May I propose an impromptu BarCamp planning session, sometime before Katrina's next deadline? Which is apparently ASAP...?
Maybe Sunday? I heard Mike Blake's house mentioned, but I don't want to volunteer him without asking... What time is good? Noon? 3pm? 6pm?
If we lack a location, how about Stardust? There is ample space. I'm sure there are also several folks with access to offices that could be used - I can get us into the Incubator in the Angebilt Building (upstairs from Slingapour's), which seats 8-12 people comfortably in the conference room.
Peace, Ryan
On Jul 1, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Robert Dempsey wrote:
> Hey,
> Why don't we make this the first spark orlando event and make it a > barcamp style unconference? If people show they show...
> Sincerely,
> Robert Dempsey, CEO > Atlantic Dominion Solutions, LLC
>> "I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would like it to be BarCamp"
>> Agreed, same here.
>> Dan Kinchen -President >> One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants >> 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 >> Lake Mary, Florida 32746 >> Phone: (407) 322-2555 >> Website: www.oness.com
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Price >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:25 AM >> To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
>> Well, I guess this is what I get for going one day without emails...
>> 1. Doing this even twice a year is a big deal - I don't know of any >> BarCamps that do so, but instead the communities end up supporting >> more specific things like iPhoneDevCamp, GeoCamp, PodCamp, >> DrupalCamp, RubyCamp, RoboCamp, JellyCamp, TransformerCamp, >> CookingCamp, and CampingCamp (not all of those are real, but I bet if >> we scheduled them, someone would show up).
>> 2. An unconference does not need to have a set duration, specific >> topics or t-shirts. Something like BlogOrlando has all 3, but it is >> much less unconference than a cluster-F like BarCamp. If you want to >> do an all-weekend, multi-room, "pull out all the stops" type event, >> then you are welcome to do so. We have this space for either >> Wednesday or Thursday, and whether it's Ignite, BarCamp, Pecha Kucha >> Night, Demo, or just WhatevCamp, I don't particularly care, but >> Katrina and her crew were nice enough to offer us the space, so let's >> grab it before we've missed the opportunity.
>> 3. The original reason for starting Florida Creatives was to get to a >> point where we can have a week-long event akin to SXSW or similar >> conferences, but I was thinking we could wait until the community was >> ready to support such an event... I think the only way to get to that >> point is by having several smaller events in between all the big >> ones, to have a cast of regulars that help make the connections, >> bring the social aspects, celebrities, traditions, and most of all a >> reputation within the community.
>> Looks like a few people believe that hosting a shorter event on a >> weeknight will have an effect on the reputation of BarCamp... I'm not >> sure I agree, but if that's so, then let's figure out what sort of >> event we want to have if it's not BarCamp. Stat.
>> Peace, >> Ryan Price >> 407-484-8528
>> Sure sure, I just said that I don't care if it's BarCamp, but I would >> like it to be BarCamp. I get it, so please don't reply with that.
>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Dan Kinchen wrote:
>>> I guess we have to discuss the pro & cons of having barcamp at that >>> event. >>> We need some type of voting system or something... How do you make >>> decisions >>> as a community?
>>> We have all these people with different opinions;
>>> - sponsors Vs. no sponsors >>> - t-shirts Vs. no t-shirts >>> - leaders Vs. no leaders
>>> How do we create a system where everyone is happy? I am sure if >>> everyone >>> agreed to make decisions as a community with some type of fair >>> system in >>> place where the majority rule is the deciding factor we can go a lot >>> farther.
>>> I am just brainstorming here. On another note;
>>> I have been talking with a few people on putting together an Ignite >>> Orlando. >>> I actually already purchased the domain a couple of months ago.
>>> Dan Kinchen -President >>> One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants >>> 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 >>> Lake Mary, Florida 32746 >>> Phone: (407) 322-2555 >>> Website: www.oness.com
>>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Pollack >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:44 AM >>> To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
>>> Thanks Robert/Ryan/Dan for starting the ball rolling. Few things:
>>> I'm glad people are willing to continue what we all started with >>> BarCamp. I'll definitely still be involved, but I think I'm >>> going to >>> let everyone else take a larger role of putting it together. The >>> last >>> two events I probably didn't delegate as much as I should have, and >>> what resulted is me taking things a little too personally when >>> people >>> criticized the event. I'm only human. If you guys will still have >>> me, I'd be happy to still help out.
>>> If Create Chaos is only giving us one room, for one night, I'm not >>> sure it's worth it. The main reason being time. At the first >>> BarCamp, we had talks on the hour, 20, and 40. This felt a little >>> too >>> rushed and left really no time for questions or time between the >>> talks. The second barcamp we had talks on the hour and 30. This >>> felt >>> right, things weren't too rushed, and there were time for more >>> questions.
>>> If Create Chaos is just giving us A NIGHT, lets say that's 4 >>> hours (6 >>> to 10), this leaves time for 8 talks. At the last BarCamp, with two >>> rooms we had time for 24 talks (with projectors). If we pulled out >>> all the stops again to advertise for this event, I have little doubt >>> we could bring in 200 people. 200 for people for 8 talks... Just >>> doesn't sound right. Even if we had time for 14 talks.. I'm not >>> sure >>> this is good. BarCamp kinda feels like an all day event to me. We >>> have an awesome urban venue (wall street), which we can get for an >>> awesome price, so why not just take advantage of that?
>>> So then the question is... What to do with Create Chaos?
>>> Here is my suggestion because of the limited time. We use it as an >>> opportunity to do the first "Ignite Orlando". See >>> http://ignite.oreilly.com/ for more information. The basic idea is:
>>> If you had five minutes on stage what would you say? What if you >>> only >>> got 20 slides and they rotated automatically after 15 seconds?
>>> Check out some of the videos on that O'Reilly site and you'll see >>> what >>> happens. ;-)
>>> Thoughts?
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Alexander Rudloff >>> <arudl...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> It's hard to beat free ;) There's also a built in audience >>>> provided. The >>>> cons are, to me, that it'd probably be during the week, and it's >>>> pretty >>> far >>>> "down there" distance wise. Given the nature of the event, could >>>> end up >>>> being less devs more media (not the worst thing in the world), and >>>> a lot >>> of >>>> out of towners (again, not that bad of an idea.. it'd be like >>>> barcamp >>> austin >>>> -- out of towners spilling over from a media conference) >>>> I say go for it, but try to figure out t-shirts ;) >>>> If you do consider doing sponsorships, maybe a good idea to set a >>>> cap or >>>> simply request "donations in kind" (someone buys tshirts, no >>>> logo or >>>> anything.. just.. buys tshirts.. someone buys snacks.. etc). >>>> Re. sponsorships, consider $100 caps or something along those >>>> lines -- >>>> something where an individual with a project can still reasonably >>>> do it, >>> and >>>> something low enough where nothing seems "owed". At that point, >>>> its also >>>> something that can involve a lot of people (so it's not "sponsored >>>> by >>>> Izea.", it's "sponsored by <list of a bajillion people here>" >>>> Sponsorships >>>> above $500, imo, is where things start to get a little weird -- if >>>> only >>> via >>>> perception. I believe the last orlando barcamp was $1500/day or >>>> something >>>> like that. >>>> I'll pitch in a small amount "in kind" going towards a shirt fund, >>>> let's >>> say >>>> $200, to get it started. >>>> Great stuff Rob/Ryan/Gregg/Orlando. >>>> Best, >>>> Alex
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Robert Dempsey >>>> <robertonra...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris makes an excellent point. The conference is
>>>>>> conference Oct 13-17 (mon-fri) >>>>>> expo oct 14-16 (tue-thur)
>>>>>> What day could we get?
>>>>> I am talking with Katrina about the possibilities. She was >>>>> thinking >>>>> perhaps the Thursday as they have a large party at night that
Right now it sounds like I'm the only person hesitant to have a BarCamp "light" so to speak. Smaller BarCamp, one room, one evening... Looks like the evening of Wednesday, October 15th.
If you guys want to run with it, there's no need for a meeting.
Maybe just wait a few hours and see if anyone else voices an opinion? i.e. you have until midnight or forever hold your peace?
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sundays are great for me.
> On Jul 1, 11:46 am, Ryan Price <rpr...@ryanpricemedia.com> wrote: >> May I propose an impromptu BarCamp planning session, sometime before >> Katrina's next deadline? Which is apparently ASAP...?
>> Maybe Sunday? I heard Mike Blake's house mentioned, but I don't want >> to volunteer him without asking... What time is good? Noon? 3pm? 6pm?
>> If we lack a location, how about Stardust? There is ample space. I'm >> sure there are also several folks with access to offices that could >> be used - I can get us into the Incubator in the Angebilt Building >> (upstairs from Slingapour's), which seats 8-12 people comfortably in >> the conference room.
> On Jul 1, 11:46 am, Ryan Price <rpr...@ryanpricemedia.com> wrote: > > May I propose an impromptu BarCamp planning session, sometime before > > Katrina's next deadline? Which is apparently ASAP...?
> > Maybe Sunday? I heard Mike Blake's house mentioned, but I don't want > > to volunteer him without asking... What time is good? Noon? 3pm? 6pm?
> > If we lack a location, how about Stardust? There is ample space. I'm > > sure there are also several folks with access to offices that could > > be used - I can get us into the Incubator in the Angebilt Building > > (upstairs from Slingapour's), which seats 8-12 people comfortably in > > the conference room.
Gregg - makes sense to me. Let's make the last call midnight tonight.
The last question is could we (Dan, Ryan and I) use the BarCampOrlando
site to post announcements and updates?
Alex - Spark Orlando has nothing to do with SocialSpark, at all,
period.
No, it has nothing to do with social spark. We were brainstorming names for an organization that helped to attract additional tech events in or around Orlando. That is why I have IgniteOrlando.com
I realized that oreily was doing something with "ignite" and I thought the name can be used in a much better way with more exposure if we used it in conjunction with oreily's ignite concept.
Dan Kinchen -President One Step Solutions, Corp. Internet Consultants 2500 W. Lake Mary Blvd. Suite 220 Lake Mary, Florida 32746 Phone: (407) 322-2555 Website: www.oness.com
[mailto:barcamporlando@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex de Carvalho Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:10 PM To: barcamporlando@googlegroups.com Subject: [BarCampO] Re: Potential venue for the next BarCamp
Glad to see you're planning a new BarCamp, I look forward to it.
Spark Orlando is reminiscent of Social Spark, but maybe that's the point?
Good luck on your efforts, -Alex
On 7/1/08, Robert Dempsey <robertonra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sundays are great for me.
> On Jul 1, 11:46 am, Ryan Price <rpr...@ryanpricemedia.com> wrote: > > May I propose an impromptu BarCamp planning session, sometime before > > Katrina's next deadline? Which is apparently ASAP...?
> > Maybe Sunday? I heard Mike Blake's house mentioned, but I don't want > > to volunteer him without asking... What time is good? Noon? 3pm? 6pm?
> > If we lack a location, how about Stardust? There is ample space. I'm > > sure there are also several folks with access to offices that could > > be used - I can get us into the Incubator in the Angebilt Building > > (upstairs from Slingapour's), which seats 8-12 people comfortably in > > the conference room.
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