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Kirit Sælensminde  
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From: Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:24:08 +0700
Local: Sun, Jun 21 2009 1:24 am
Subject: 12th ICFP competition

There's clearly some interest in Google Wave, but there's something a
little closer that might also be fun and something I think BarCamp
Thailand can make a big splash in.

If you've not heard of it before then the ICFP competition is a
programming competition for teams from across the world. ICFP is the
International Conference on Functional Programming. Don't worry though,
it's not just for functional programming languages. The winners are
invited to the conference (they do have some cash to help with travel
expenses).

You don't have to be a programmer to join the team. Some of the things
that are needed will be:
* Help with project management
* Team communication
* Ideas, brainstorming
* Testing
* Enthusiasm (especially important after those long coding sprints)

The competition is going to be held next weekend. If I have my timezones
worked out right then I think the puzzle will be announced at 1am on
Friday night/Saturday morning and we would have until the same time
Monday night/Tuesday morning.

If you've not heard of it before then check out the previous year's
tasks and results linked from this year's competition page.

    http://www.icfpcontest.org/

Last year team Felspar entered and didn't do too badly considering
"team" Felspar was only me and I only had about 8 hours of coding time
that w/e.

I'm not sure whether we should be many teams or one big team -- I guess
it depends on how many people are interested. Personally I think that
three to four people is probably ideal for this sort of thing, and being
in the same place will help. The Felspar offices will be open over the
w/e for those that want to join us here.

I'll certainly be doing it again, the real question is how many others
want to test their programming skills against some of the best in the
world? This is a great way to promote Thailand as somewhere that does
know how to build great technology.

So who's in?

Kirit


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Chip  
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From: Chip <c...@huyenchip.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:37:45 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] 12th ICFP competition

It sounds great. I have time but I'm not a programmer, then is there
anything I can help :D

2009/6/21 Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>

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From: proteus guy <proteus...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:50:15 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] 12th ICFP competition

I'm game. Can you describe what the competition was last time and what you
did? What languages/tools do you anticipate we'd be using.

  -- Ben

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Kirit Sælensminde  
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From: Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:57:22 +0700
Local: Sun, Jun 21 2009 1:57 am
Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

Chip wrote:
> It sounds great. I have time but I'm not a programmer, then is there
> anything I can help :D

I expect that there's going to be a lot that you can do:

* Make sure that the problem is properly understand
* Have good ideas about how to solve it
* Document what we're up to and write about it

I expect that people will be coming and going during the course of the
weekend. One useful thing would be just hang out on IRC and help people
to catch up when they show up.

K


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Kirit Sælensminde  
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From: Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:17:36 +0700
Local: Sun, Jun 21 2009 2:17 am
Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

proteus guy wrote:
> I'm game. Can you describe what the competition was last time and what
> you did? What languages/tools do you anticipate we'd be using.

The task description is here:
    http://smlnj.org/icfp08-contest/task.html

My code is here:
    http://svn.felspar.com/public/icfp/2008/trunk/

Taking last year's as a template it could have been handled by a few
loosely coupled teams:

    * Build and submission -- the entry had to be capable of building
      and running on a VM run by the competition organisers. This meant
      building a build system as part of the submissions and making sure
      that the builds would work on the target environment.
    * Telemetry and rover control -- Not a huge task, but absolutely
      critical.
    * AI -- Where most of the work and the ideas was needed. The rover
      controller would need to provide a good API for this. My AI was
      the simplest possible as I didn't have time to put any real work
      into it.
    * Map generation -- The organisers supplied some simple test maps,
      but to really exercise the AI and control systems more maps would
      have been useful. I didn't make any.
    * A/B AI testing -- Something I didn't even have time to think about
      last year, but some sort of system or procedure to test the AIs
      against each other and the maps to make a decision about which
      should be submitted.

This could all be handled by a small team, or broken out to a few larger
teams concentrating on each area.

For infrastructure, Felspar can provide a Subversion server and an issue
tracker/wiki (on our Support site).

If it was just me, I'd probably mainly use C++ and Python -- Python for
speed of development, and C++ for execution speed. I'd use Boost.Python
to plug them together. For a larger team though I think it'd be
important that people could use their preferred languages.

It's almost certainly an early optimisation to try to work out what the
correct team structure would be and the right tools until we've seen the
problem. Last year the submission was source code that the organisers
had to build and run, in most previous years it has been the answer to
what amounts to a number of complex riddles. Which of these is used this
year will make a huge difference to how we structure ourselves  and what
the important tasks are.

K


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Kirit Sælensminde  
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From: Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:00:08 +0700
Local: Sun, Jun 21 2009 3:00 am
Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

Kirit Sælensminde wrote:
> proteus guy wrote:
>> I'm game. Can you describe what the competition was last time and
>> what you did? What languages/tools do you anticipate we'd be using.

> The task description is here:
>     http://smlnj.org/icfp08-contest/task.html

> My code is here:
>     http://svn.felspar.com/public/icfp/2008/trunk/

As an addendum, I did do a quick write up just after the competition
which is here:
    http://www.kirit.com/Blog:/2008-07-15/ICFP%202008

Rather surprisingly the rover did make it through the first round of
heats, but got knocked out in the second:

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~sheard/2008IcfpContest/results/final/results...
(Search for Felspar in the page)

K


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proteus guy  
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From: proteus guy <proteus...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:41:27 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

    This looks really cool. If we could try to implement this as some kind
of Agile Sprint it could be good fun. Looking at http://icfpcontest.org/ it
appears this contest will be significantly different than last years. Since
it looks like you can submit your code to run on any of several (yet
un-named) platforms, I would assume that performance of the application will
not be a significant factor in scoring unlike last year's which was all
about timing. Game simulations seem to be quite popular but there are also
some language or data processing tasks from the prior contests that can be
viewed at links present on the same page.

    Hopefully the contest task will be an interesting one.

  -- Ben

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Nick Martin  
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From: Nick Martin <boozka...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:09:07 +0100
Local: Sun, Jun 21 2009 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

I think it will be interesting. Had a look at the previous years and  
the FAQ for this year states that there is no restriction on language  
or platform.
Quite intrigued as to what the challenge will be this year. Oh  
additionally there is no size limit for teams.

Nick

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From: proteus guy <proteus...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:37:45 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

It's quite likely that we would need testers, an agile task board
co-ordinator, possibly team liason(s), drink mixers, cheerleaders, etc...
Just get over to BKK. :-)

  -- Ben


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Jean Jordaan  
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:53:08 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition
I'm in too :-)

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31o5 OHIRA  
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From: 31o5 OHIRA <3105.oh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:55:43 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

i'm in - let me think what i can do....

31o5


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31o5 OHIRA  
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From: 31o5 OHIRA <3105.oh...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:04:18 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

This sounds great, and to promote Thailand as Kirit says - this thread
should be translated into Thai... could anybody help?

ah... if my Thai was good then I can participate this as translator :( I'm
not hard-core programmer, maybe I can be a waitress serving strong coffee
for geeks :D

31o5


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From: Nick Martin <boozka...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:30:56 +0100
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

Black no sugar please ;)

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sajal  
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:18:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 12th ICFP competition
count me in ...

Since Satoko already took the coffee ... i can be the drink mixer ...

I suck at programing... just manage to get things working quick n
dirty... This looks like an oppurtunity to see how the "big boys" do
things...

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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

big boys eh? hmm.... seems Satoko & Sajal are putting a lot of pressure on
us guys... haha we might actually have to do some of this stuff now...


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:39:36 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

sajal

would you come to my office? I thought I come over to Kirit's with
proteusguy etc, but maybe I just stay in my office and be online....

or anybody around suk, we can do little camp at my office if anybody want
(then I can be a waitress).

31o5


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From: proteus guy <proteus...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

If you're all going to help run the sprints & the agile board kinda need to
be there. Serving drinks requires a physical presence too!!! come on!!


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31o5 OHIRA  
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:22:47 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

ah... ok, i got only little eeePC, not enough to work. so thought better to
stay online with my computer at office.
but i'd love to be there physically, it's gonna be fun :)

31o5


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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

someone's making excuses. you don't need any more than what you got. :-)


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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition
so wait are you guys planning to pull an all-nighter?

...

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Kirit Sælensminde  
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:50:35 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

Till wrote:
> so wait are you guys planning to pull an all-nighter?

Not sure about that, but it could happen. Lightning round would need to
be in by 1am on Sunday morning/Saturday night. I think we'll certainly
be up that late as we are planning to put in a lightning round entry.

K


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:16:16 +0700
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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

ok, i'll be there :-)

31o5


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Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

That's the plan when it starts at 1am. Kirit's gonna provide massage girls
and drinks. hahaha

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From: Kirit Sælensminde <ki...@felspar.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:56:29 +0700
Local: Wed, Jun 24 2009 7:56 am
Subject: Re: [barcamp-thailand] Re: 12th ICFP competition

proteus guy wrote:
> That's the plan when it starts at 1am. Kirit's gonna provide massage
> girls and drinks. hahaha

I'd kind of assumed that we would meet on Saturday morning which would
let us attack it fresh and give us some time to think about things
properly first.

1am read the problem
2am sleep
8am get up
9am meet up

We could move those last two back an hour of course.

K


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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: 12th ICFP competition

> 8am get up

Huston, we have a problem!!

or not if i sleep clinching a fresh bottle of red bull...

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