The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work
for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
* You can sign up with any email address you want
* It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we
can track accountability
* It's easy to use
* No one wants more email
* You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if
you want
* It's easier to get caught up on what is most important
* It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a
major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking
like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's
OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog
when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you
want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and
offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad thing. * * * *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off of it.* * * *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much more quickly and efficiently.* * * *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to change things.* * * -- Matt
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work > for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
> * You can sign up with any email address you want > * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we > can track accountability > * It's easy to use > * No one wants more email > * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if > you want > * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important > * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
> Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a > major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking > like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's > OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
> There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog > when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you > want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and > offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
> The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad thing.
> *
> *
> *
> *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off of
> it.*
> *
> *
> *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, whatever
> gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much more quickly
> and efficiently.*
> *
> *
> *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years
> private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to
> participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to
> change things.*
> *
> *
> -- Matt
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work
> > for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
> > * You can sign up with any email address you want
> > * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we
> > can track accountability
> > * It's easy to use
> > * No one wants more email
> > * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if
> > you want
> > * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important
> > * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
> > Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a
> > major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking
> > like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's
> > OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
> > There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog
> > when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you
> > want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and
> > offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger <matt.gau...@gmail.com> wrote: > The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad > thing.* > * > * > *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off of > it.* > * > * > *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, whatever > gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much more quickly > and efficiently.* > * > * > *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years > private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to > participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to > change things.* > * > * > -- Matt
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work >> for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
>> * You can sign up with any email address you want >> * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we >> can track accountability >> * It's easy to use >> * No one wants more email >> * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if >> you want >> * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important >> * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
>> Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a >> major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking >> like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's >> OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
>> There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog >> when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you >> want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and >> offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
I'd like to second Matt's emphasis on keeping things open and accessible. I'm sure that OpenAtrium is very cool and would get the job done for us, but it has an additional barrier to entry of asking anyone who wants to participate to create a new account and learn a new system. Email is everyone's favorite punching bag, but it has a lot of nice things going for it, including:
- Essentially ubiquitous access (at least for those of us with smartphones) - Nearly everyone already knows how to use it (hopefully) effectively - No accounts to remember and log in before you can do anything - Default push - I don't have to go in and tell it to push notifications to me, they just show up - Chances are I already have it open anyway, so I don't need to keep Yet Another Tab open to see what's happening.
I actually really do want more email. If I want to turn things into tasks or star it or delete it or archive it or ignore it, I can do that. I like having everything in one bucket that I can sort through instead of going to eight places and checking in to see if anything I care about has happened. I think tools like OpenAtrium, etc are great for fixed membership groups with specific goals and tasks to manage. Asking a loosely knit group of volunteers to learn a new system that they will use for 6 weeks and then not again for about 9-10 months at the least seems like too much to ask.
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger <matt.gau...@gmail.com> wrote: > The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad > thing.* > * > * > *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off of > it.* > * > * > *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, whatever > gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much more quickly > and efficiently.* > * > * > *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years > private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to > participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to > change things.* > * > * > -- Matt
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work >> for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
>> * You can sign up with any email address you want >> * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we >> can track accountability >> * It's easy to use >> * No one wants more email >> * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if >> you want >> * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important >> * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
>> Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a >> major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking >> like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's >> OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
>> There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog >> when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you >> want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and >> offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
Matt, thanks for setting it up and being the List Czar.
It should be noted that in past years we did you a Yahoo! Group, but often emails to the list never got response, so often "private" emails directly to people were used to force a response.
(Also, I agree with pretty much everything Elias said about email.)
> The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad > thing.* > * > * > *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off > of it.* > * > * > *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, > whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much > more quickly and efficiently.* > * > * > *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years > private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to > participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to > change things.* > * > * > -- Matt
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com > <mailto:james.carl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work > for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
> * You can sign up with any email address you want > * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we > can track accountability > * It's easy to use > * No one wants more email > * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if > you want > * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important > * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
> Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a > major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking > like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's > OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
> There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog > when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you > want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and > offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
* OpenAtrium works on phones
* Anyone can see it without registering--it's public
* It's got accountability for tasks, and I can't tell from this list
what I'm supposed to do or not do, what others are already doing, and
what is or isn't done--and that information is the most important part
of making the event a success
Sorry I didn't mention these bullet points before.
Now I'll read through the entire list. Thanks for humoring the idea.
On Aug 17, 10:52 am, Pete Prodoehl <p...@rasterweb.net> wrote:
> Matt, thanks for setting it up and being the List Czar.
> It should be noted that in past years we did you a Yahoo! Group, but
> often emails to the list never got response, so often "private" emails
> directly to people were used to force a response.
> (Also, I agree with pretty much everything Elias said about email.)
> Pete
> On 8/17/10 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger wrote:
> > The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad
> > thing.*
> > *
> > *
> > *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off
> > of it.*
> > *
> > *
> > *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point,
> > whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much
> > more quickly and efficiently.*
> > *
> > *
> > *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years
> > private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to
> > participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to
> > change things.*
> > *
> > *
> > -- Matt
> > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:james.carl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work
> > for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
> > * You can sign up with any email address you want
> > * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we
> > can track accountability
> > * It's easy to use
> > * No one wants more email
> > * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if
> > you want
> > * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important
> > * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
> > Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a
> > major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking
> > like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's
> > OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
> > There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog
> > when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you
> > want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and
> > offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
> * OpenAtrium works on phones
> * Anyone can see it without registering--it's public
> * It's got accountability for tasks, and I can't tell from this list
> what I'm supposed to do or not do, what others are already doing, and
> what is or isn't done--and that information is the most important part
> of making the event a success
> Sorry I didn't mention these bullet points before.
> Now I'll read through the entire list. Thanks for humoring the idea.
> On Aug 17, 10:52 am, Pete Prodoehl <p...@rasterweb.net> wrote:
> > Matt, thanks for setting it up and being the List Czar.
> > It should be noted that in past years we did you a Yahoo! Group, but
> > often emails to the list never got response, so often "private" emails
> > directly to people were used to force a response.
> > (Also, I agree with pretty much everything Elias said about email.)
> > Pete
> > On 8/17/10 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger wrote:
> > > The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad
> > > thing.*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off
> > > of it.*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point,
> > > whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much
> > > more quickly and efficiently.*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years
> > > private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to
> > > participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to
> > > change things.*
> > > *
> > > *
> > > -- Matt
> > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com
> > > <mailto:james.carl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work
> > > for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
> > > * You can sign up with any email address you want
> > > * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we
> > > can track accountability
> > > * It's easy to use
> > > * No one wants more email
> > > * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if
> > > you want
> > > * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important
> > > * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
> > > Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a
> > > major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking
> > > like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's
> > > OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
> > > There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog
> > > when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you
> > > want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and
> > > offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
Isn't there a way to pipe this here list into the open atrium system and open atrium into this here list? Once you have that going, you're going to gain the benefits of both systems.
> On Aug 20, 6:05 pm, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> * OpenAtrium works on phones >> * Anyone can see it without registering--it's public >> * It's got accountability for tasks, and I can't tell from this list >> what I'm supposed to do or not do, what others are already doing, and >> what is or isn't done--and that information is the most important part >> of making the event a success
>> Sorry I didn't mention these bullet points before.
>> Now I'll read through the entire list. Thanks for humoring the idea.
>> On Aug 17, 10:52 am, Pete Prodoehl <p...@rasterweb.net> wrote:
>> > Matt, thanks for setting it up and being the List Czar.
>> > It should be noted that in past years we did you a Yahoo! Group, but >> > often emails to the list never got response, so often "private" emails >> > directly to people were used to force a response.
>> > (Also, I agree with pretty much everything Elias said about email.)
>> > Pete
>> > On 8/17/10 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger wrote:
>> > > The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad >> > > thing.* >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off >> > > of it.* >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, >> > > whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much >> > > more quickly and efficiently.* >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years >> > > private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to >> > > participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to >> > > change things.* >> > > * >> > > * >> > > -- Matt
>> > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com >> > > <mailto:james.carl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work >> > > for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
>> > > * You can sign up with any email address you want >> > > * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we >> > > can track accountability >> > > * It's easy to use >> > > * No one wants more email >> > > * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if >> > > you want >> > > * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important >> > > * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
>> > > Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a >> > > major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking >> > > like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's >> > > OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
>> > > There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog >> > > when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you >> > > want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and >> > > offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
> Isn't there a way to pipe this here list into the open atrium system > and open atrium into this here list? > Once you have that going, you're going to gain the benefits of both systems.
>> On Aug 20, 6:05 pm, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> * OpenAtrium works on phones >>> * Anyone can see it without registering--it's public >>> * It's got accountability for tasks, and I can't tell from this list >>> what I'm supposed to do or not do, what others are already doing, and >>> what is or isn't done--and that information is the most important part >>> of making the event a success
>>> Sorry I didn't mention these bullet points before.
>>> Now I'll read through the entire list. Thanks for humoring the idea.
>>> On Aug 17, 10:52 am, Pete Prodoehl <p...@rasterweb.net> wrote:
>>>> Matt, thanks for setting it up and being the List Czar.
>>>> It should be noted that in past years we did you a Yahoo! Group, but >>>> often emails to the list never got response, so often "private" emails >>>> directly to people were used to force a response.
>>>> (Also, I agree with pretty much everything Elias said about email.)
>>>> Pete
>>>> On 8/17/10 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger wrote:
>>>>> The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad >>>>> thing.* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks off >>>>> of it.* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, >>>>> whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that much >>>>> more quickly and efficiently.* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 years >>>>> private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to >>>>> participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position to >>>>> change things.* >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> -- Matt
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:james.carl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium work >>>>> for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
>>>>> * You can sign up with any email address you want >>>>> * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so we >>>>> can track accountability >>>>> * It's easy to use >>>>> * No one wants more email >>>>> * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your email, if >>>>> you want >>>>> * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important >>>>> * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
>>>>> Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to plan a >>>>> major event--what I feel is another instance of everything looking >>>>> like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's >>>>> OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
>>>>> There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a Blog >>>>> when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when you >>>>> want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and >>>>> offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
> > Isn't there a way to pipe this here list into the open atrium system > > and open atrium into this here list? > > Once you have that going, you're going to gain the benefits of both > systems.
> >> On Aug 20, 6:05 pm, James Carlson <james.carl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> * OpenAtrium works on phones > >>> * Anyone can see it without registering--it's public > >>> * It's got accountability for tasks, and I can't tell from this list > >>> what I'm supposed to do or not do, what others are already doing, and > >>> what is or isn't done--and that information is the most important part > >>> of making the event a success
> >>> Sorry I didn't mention these bullet points before.
> >>> Now I'll read through the entire list. Thanks for humoring the idea.
> >>> On Aug 17, 10:52 am, Pete Prodoehl <p...@rasterweb.net> wrote:
> >>>> Matt, thanks for setting it up and being the List Czar.
> >>>> It should be noted that in past years we did you a Yahoo! Group, but > >>>> often emails to the list never got response, so often "private" emails > >>>> directly to people were used to force a response.
> >>>> (Also, I agree with pretty much everything Elias said about email.)
> >>>> Pete
> >>>> On 8/17/10 9:02 AM, Matt Gauger wrote:
> >>>>> The email thread requiring me to click "reply to all" was a *very bad > >>>>> thing.* > >>>>> * > >>>>> * > >>>>> *Setting up a google group was the quickest way to get these folks > off > >>>>> of it.* > >>>>> * > >>>>> * > >>>>> *I understand the hammer and the nail problem, but at this point, > >>>>> whatever gets the job done the fastest means BarCamp gets done that > much > >>>>> more quickly and efficiently.* > >>>>> * > >>>>> * > >>>>> *In the process, I've also opened up what has been for the past 5 > years > >>>>> private email discussions to make them public to whomever wants to > >>>>> participate. This was my goal last year, but I wasn't in a position > to > >>>>> change things.* > >>>>> * > >>>>> * > >>>>> -- Matt
> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:58 PM, James Carlson < > james.carl...@gmail.com > >>>>> <mailto:james.carl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> The Bucket Brigade has spent the last 10 months making OpenAtrium > work > >>>>> for groups. May I suggest we use that instead?
> >>>>> * You can sign up with any email address you want > >>>>> * It organizes the content into Blogs, Projects, Cases (Tasks) so > we > >>>>> can track accountability > >>>>> * It's easy to use > >>>>> * No one wants more email > >>>>> * You can get notified by Atrium when things change, in your > email, if > >>>>> you want > >>>>> * It's easier to get caught up on what is most important > >>>>> * It's easier to see "what still needs to be done"
> >>>>> Before we get too deep into another mailing list being used to > plan a > >>>>> major event--what I feel is another instance of everything > looking > >>>>> like a nail to email--I'd invite you to join the School Factory's > >>>>> OpenAtrium site--just check the Web414 box when you sign up:
> >>>>> There's nothing there yet, but that can easily change--create a > Blog > >>>>> when you want to build consensus, create a Project and Cases when > you > >>>>> want something to get done. Comments are great for discussion and > >>>>> offer the 'threadedness' that we need.
