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CNPrasad didn’t disclose the contempt case No. filed  in SC ( as told by Rtd assn ) till now. He is also seen like  a non believable person 

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 at 3:51 PM, <bankpe...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 11:03AM -0400

Mr.Nair,
 
Let us hope that, certainly our pending issues too may be resolved without
much delay,through negotiations.
 
Ramakrishnan S <ramakri...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 01:58PM +0530

The 100% d a issue was a grave injustice and a serious discrimination to
pre nov 2002 retirees, rather than its monetary aspects . Of course money
too counts. Except, few people like chv, etc the present ufbu leadership
are not responsible for that treachery. Let us thank the present ufbu for
achieving this. There were many stalwarts, like B .Ramji, C.R.
Chandrasekhar etc who took lead in fighting this issue. Unfortunately
man y of them left the world, before achieving this. I know in few cases,
both the pensioner as well as the spouse departed and in such cases, who
will enjoy this achievement.
 
 
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, 1:40 pm JSOMA SHEKARA, <jsomase...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 02:30PM +0530

There are still the following issues pending
1. Updation
2. Pension to Resignees
3. Pension benefits on special allowance
4. Revision of DA once in 3 months.
 
Anantharaman Tg <tganant...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 04:25PM +0530

All the points are facts and cannot be disputed.
 
But it is natural that there are many to claim
credits. Even after the FM's pronouncement,
this has come to an end after a good long time.
 
 
 
 
 
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 at 13:40, JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
Sureshbhat M <sures...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 03:14PM +0530

Differncial DA lost is much more than Ex gratia recd under special VRS for
2001 opties.
How many pre 2002 retirees are stillin tjis world to see this benefit. How
long they may live to enjoy this correction.?
 
Raghavan s <srv...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 08:43PM +0530

Updation in pension will come before general elections
 
Rajender Sharma <rajender...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 05:53AM -0700

Sir,
You are right in your observations.
Still .it came as a surprise to all of us,since the case was lost in the
Supreme Court also..It is natural that Retiree Organisations are racing
to get credit .But the fact is that an anomaly created by the United Forum
to the detriment of retirees ,has finally been rectified.Hence congrats to
all.
 
R.K.Sharma
 
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:40:36 PM UTC+5:30 JSOMA SHEKARA wrote:
 
Sridhar Mandyam <mandy...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 11:06AM +0530

Sir,
The discrimination in DA was created in 1995 when the Union agreed for 4
sets of DA formula. If the cut off point were to be same for both workmen
and pensioners, the issue of 100 percent DA would not come at all. Almost
all pensioners would have got 100 percent DA from date of retirement
 
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 10:00 Ramakrishnan S <ramakri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
Jose Tk <jose...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 01:46PM +0530

Dear friends,
 
Another unresolved issue is 5 year notional service benefit to VRS retirees
who has completed 20 years service as per section 29(5) of Pension
Regulation Act. It was allowed to VRS Retirees of all Nationalised Banks,
State Bank of Mysore. But VRS retirees of State Bank of Travancore has not
received this benefit so far. Requested to SBI many times, they are not
allowing it.
 
JOSE TK -SBT VRS retiree.
 
JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 03:35PM +0530

Message as received
Delhi High Court : WPC GOP 8095/2016,9679/2016 & 1875/2013 FSBIPA Vs SBI &
Union of India : Matter was briefly heard .Govt / Bank wanted 8 weeks as it
wanted to refer the issue to IBA which was opposed by our Advocates that
our issue is SBI specific and nothing to do with IBA . SBI pension scheme
is statutory and validity of amendments has to be examined by the court and
no committee can decide or dictate. However ,court directed the Govt to
hear the petitioners in third week of August 23 and submit the report to
court subsequently, Court once again reiterated that final decision would
be taken by the court after testing the views on constitutional
validity.Next date 06/10/23
Umesh Sharma
GOP
31/07/23
 
Prasad C N <cn_pr...@yahoo.com>: Jul 30 10:44AM

Dear friends,
We are enclosing a copy of the letter by our Apex Organisation, All India Retired Bank Employees' Association thanking UFBU not only for extension of 100% DA nutralisation, also for ensuring all Pre-2002 pensioners, irrespective of their Basic Pension, get some increase. 
Many of us were complaining and blaming UFBU, by making it responsible for non-introduction of UFBU.  When we blame them for non-extension of any benefit, we should be generous enough to acknowledge their efforts, when benefit is extended.  It is pertinant to point out that in Reserve Bank of India, nothing was paid to those who were getting pension with 100% DA.  But, Ex-gratia for them is also introduced and all pensioners and family pensioners who are already enjoying 100% DA would also get some increase.  Definately, UFBU should be commended for this.
We are also happy because this benefit is out of an agreement.  Therefore, this benefit cannot be taken back.  I am extracting a portion from the Judgment of Hon'ble Supreme Court, wherein payment of pension itself was withdrawn.
This extract is taken from State of H.P. v. Rajesh Chander Sood, (2016) 10 SCC 77 : (2016) 2 SCC (L&S) 730 : 2016 SCC OnLine SC 1002 at page 164
 
95. Our determination, with reference to all the issues canvassed above, would also answer the question left open in para 73 above. Namely, whether or not the contingent right, as was vested in the respondent employees, was binding or irrevocable. We may now sum up the position determined by us, in the foregoing paragraphs. It is no doubt true that we have concluded that the 1999 Scheme, created a contingent right in the respondent employees. The respondent employees comprise of all those employees of corporate bodies, who had opted for the 1999 Scheme, immediately on its having been introduced; all those, who were deemed to have opted for the 1999 Scheme by not having exercised any option; and all those who were appointed after the introduction of the 1999 Scheme. The first issue that arises is, whether any express right or obligation existed between the respondent employees and the State Government. One can understand such a claim arising out of an obligation between an employer and his employees, where there is a quid pro quo — a trade-off based on a relationship (as between, an employer and employee). We have, however, concluded that there was no such relationship between the State Government, and the respondent employees. All the corporate bodies in which the respondent employees were/are engaged, are independent juristic entities. It is, therefore, apparent that the claim raised by the respondent employees, is not based on any right or obligation between the parties. We have also examined the submissions advanced by the learned counsel premised on various constitutional provisions (Articles 14, 16, 21 and 300-A of the Constitution of India), but have found that no right can be stated to have been violated thereunder. We have also examined the other legal submissions, advanced on behalf of the respondent employees, and have found the same, as unjustified. The issue whether administrative review was permissible after the 1999 Scheme had become operational, has been answered in the affirmative. And finally, we have concluded, that the exercise of such power, while issuing the repeal notification, was based on due consideration. We, therefore, hereby uphold, the legality and constitutionality of the Notification dated 2-12-2004.
 
 
Thanks, a Million. 
With regards,Prasad C N
R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 10:47AM +0530

Dear Mr Prasath
what about pension updation ?
I feel that this may be delayed for few years since already next bipartite
discussions commenced.
regards
 
*R BALAJI*
 
 
 
 
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:05 AM 'Prasad C N' via bankpensioner <
JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 03:31PM +0530

INTERNAL FIGHTING IN UFBU
AIBOA Hits Back
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WHO IS PLAYING HAND IN GLOVE ? IN WHOSE INTEREST?
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AIBOA to UFBU Convener
 
UFBU:92:2023
29TH July 2023.
 
The Convenor,
United Forum of Bank unions, CHANDIGARH.
 
Comrade,
 
We are constrained to place on record the casual way the issues are being
handled by UFBU under present leadership.
 
Though, the list is long, we restrict ourselves on the following points.
 
2. Our organisation gave the strike notice for 2 days in March 2022,
projecting our demands on Industry, on unresolved residual issues and
extending solidarity actions with Central trade unions for the two days
strike.
 
On the directions of the Labour authorities on residual issues, discussions
were held by IBA.
 
It was AIBOA, which did the job required to break the impasse. Then, gates
were opened for officers’ Union and workmen unions separately for couple of
rounds of discussions.
 
3. In this year too, once again two days strike call was given by UFBU,
focusing three main issues :
 
A) 5 days week,
B) Up dation Pension and C) commencement of wage talks along with other
pending issues.
 
The strikes were averted in the background of commencement of the talks by
IBA.
 
On 31st Jan, 2023 and 28th February 2023 two rounds of discussions were
held.
 
A commitment was obtained from the workmen side that IBA will write to the
Government with the commencement of working of the banks from 09.50 am to
5.30 pm.
In the event, if DFS insists for additional 5 minutes extra with the
consent of workmen leaders, they may approach DFS for their concurrence.
But best reasons unknown to us, you were not present on 28.02.2023.
 
Even to come out with a circular it took nearly
7 days giving rise to very many question.
 
It is nearing 5 months completion, the issue is finding no focus in the
discussion held recently in successive rounds.
 
More than the money compensation, work-force requires work-life balance.
 
When LIC unions could achieve it from 15th April 2021 why not us till date?
 
4. Insurance backed Hospitalisation Scheme :
 
On IBA suggesting that the representatives of three unions
(AIBOC, NCBE AND AIBEA))
would constitute the small committee with specific reference to the costing
exercise by capping the item wise expenses, it was categorically placed
that the meeting of all representatives should be held with IBA as that of
Profit Linked Incentive meeting conducted earlier on our collective
submissions to you in the meeting held at New Delhi in your Parliament
Street Bank branch -Board room on 11th September 2019.
 
FUNCTIONING OF UFBU UNDER YOUR CONVENORSHIP.
 
a) Though it was pointed out by two constituents, in the meeting held at
Mumbai at Hotel Avion you turned down our submissions, for the best reasons
known to couple of representatives.
 
Other constituents have been kept under dark.
 
Ultimately, the suggestions made in the meeting was implemented by IBA.
 
On 21.06.2023 all the unions (9 + 1) who were party to the 25.05.2015 and
11.11.2020 were invited to participate except us, purely taking shelter of
veiled threat let loose by one of the constituents.
 
First time, UFBU had taken the role of the management to deny the entry to
AIBOA elected representative, without informing the expressions/decisions
of the other constituents from the meeting held on 21st June 2023 at IBA
Office.
 
We conducted ourselves as a responsible organisation not to be an
impediment to you. But knowing well the stand of AIBOA, you did not
restrict/deny the entry to an officer purported to have representative
character in IBA on 21st June 2023.
 
It was given to understand that he signed the attendance sheet and remained
in the meeting. One of constituents of UFBU wanted it purposely to happen.
 
b) We wrote to you in detail on 02.07.2023, 12.07.2023 and also 20.07.2023
in connection with the denial of representatives to participate in the
discussion after the court case filed by the two individuals in Dwarka, New
Delhi.
 
The operative portion was quoted clearly in the letter, expecting you to
respond making your stand candid and clear to us.
 
As usual, you remained non communicative to AIBOA.
 
c) Once again you had only forwarded the letter to constituents including
AIBOA, enclosing the IBA letter dated 21st July 2023 addressed to you with
your covering letter dated 24th July 2023. In turn we have provided the
name of the representative for participation in the discussions.
 
d) On 28th July 2023, in the IBA office, in spite of our convincing and
cogent assurance to you by Com. Alok Khare Chairman AIBOA and the
undersigned, you negated our participation based on the manufactured
document.
 
e) On our taking up the matter with the IBA authorities in person on the
same day, it was reported that it was
UFBU which had restricted our participation in the discussions held on
three occasions.
 
Our organisation would like to know from where, as a convenor, you have
drawn the authority to deny our organisational participation.
 
If any provisions of conduct rules for UFBU enacted and adopted by you in
your tenure for the past seven years, will you please make it available to
all the constituents immediately on receipt of this communication.
 
f) In addition to the above, why you were hesitant to provide the prepared
documents of understandings of few constituents arrived at behind the back
of the other constituents. Leave alone one up man ship, but why not the
same is discussed in the UFBU meeting prior to signing the same to
understand the contents, pros and cons of signing such a document in the
matter of Hospitalisation scheme applicable to all banks other than SBI.
Strangely enough, trade unions are expected to retain the facility
achieved, if not improvement clinched. Reduction of coverage to the senior
citizens, when Right to Health is the subject matter of the Nation and
constituents were made to sign the retrograde scheme delinking the retirees
from the serving employees contrary to
 
the first understandings signed on 25.05.2015. Absolutely an adverse step
by UFBU.
 
5. UP-DATING PENSION HAS BEEN SEALED ONCE AND FOR ALL:
 
While correction of the mistake by introducing two sets of D.A.
compensation ie prior to 01.05.2005 and after that 100% DA neutralisation
committed by unions on 02.06.2005, the same was struck down by supreme
court in March 2018. Please refer the circular issued by IBA in this regard.
 
Though we may claim it is baby step for success from roof top, surely it
shuts the doors of up dation of Pension to all by government notification,
as available to RBI / NABARD from 1.1.1986 till 1.11.2017 in the near future
In fitness of things, to enable to understand the approach pursued by you
as UFBU convenor in dealing with men and matters, we request you to
communicate your response and also provide the copy of the Codes drafted by
you if any and convene a full -fledged meeting of the UFBU authorised
representatives of three from the constituents for the betterment of the
workforce presently in the banks.
 
Yours comradely,
 
/S.NAGARAJAN/ GENERAL SECRETARY..
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Cc to: All constituents of UFBU
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:05 AM 'Prasad C N' via bankpensioner <
Srirama Murti <ssrm...@yahoo.com>: Jul 31 07:46AM

with respect to all, praying God for arrears. of 100%DA nuetralisation  w.e.f. May 2005yours truly,S.S.R.Murthy, ex-canara bank,Hyderabad(Singampalli Sri Rama Murthy)mobile phone : +91 9391147762
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 04:48PM -0400

Dear Friends,
 
As per direction of High Court of Delhi,dt.13th April'23, in case No.
W.P.(C) 1875/2013 filed by Federation of State Bank of India, and Ors
versus The Union of India and Ors, an expert committee was to be
constituted by the Ministry of Finance to examine the grievances of the
State Bank of India pensioners, consisting of officials from.DFS. and IBA.
 
As per court, if above Committee find any merit in the grievances,
appropriate action be taken before the next date of hearing, which is
listed for 31st July 2023.
 
As far as PSB pensioners are concerned apart from specific issues of SBI
pensioners the following major issue related to all pensioners is also
included in court direction.
 
*“iv) to examine the issue of updation of pension with every wage
revision/settlement;”*
 
*( Meanwhile another issue included there on of extending 100% DR to pre
Nov 2002 pensioners have already been resolved by IBA-UFBU on 28th July
'23.)*
 
Therefore the report of Committee to be submitted to High Court on or
before 31st July ’23, has much significance, to all bank pensioners.
 
Let us wait for the proceedings of above case in Delhi H.C,listed for
today.
Kirti Oza <kirti...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 07:25AM +0530

Any news about counting Sp. Allowance in Pension and other benefits?
 
Kirti Oza
 
RANGARAJAN M R <rangar...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 08:10AM +0530

Hopefully in the next couple of days/weeks the Updation may become a
reality on RBI updation lines or in a different form. It will be a justice
to bank pensioners who are aged and watching their brothers & sisters in
similar financial sectors viz RBI, NABARD etc achieving the results .
Looking forward to good days.
 
M.R.RANGARAJAN
 
kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 03:28PM +0530

Shri Mohan,Our case 1875/13 was heard today.The Bench allowed 2months time
to govt and sbi to study our demands and report back.Next date of hearing
is 06/10/23.
.
 
On Mon, 31 Jul, 2023, 10:07 am RANGARAJAN M R, <rangar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
Gajanan Chaudhari <gajan...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 02:21AM -0700

Mr R balaji,updating of pension may not take this much time as now all
retirees are concerned equally.
Further DA anomaly is removed,
and there was only 2.5 % hike in basic pay in recent bipartites,
lastly IBA will prefer updation rather than issue of special allowance
being considered as pay for the purpose of pension.
They may consider only one proposal at a time '
DA anomaly took so many years because UFBU had linked it with updation
issue. Otherwise it could have been resolved in 1917-18 only. These are my
views.
I had written several times to delink DA issue from updation and lastly DA
issue is resolved first.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:38:37 PM UTC+5:30 Srinivasan Badri wrote:
 
R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 10:44AM +0530

Dear Sir
what I meant was since now only DA anomaly settled and already next
bipartitie talks began UFBU may put updation issue in the backbench and may
take more years. further the enthusiasm among pre 2002 retirees also will
become slow since their DA issue is settled now.
 
*R BALAJI*
 
 
 
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 10:05 AM Gajanan Chaudhari <gajan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 06:53PM -0400

भारतीय मजदूर संघ
 
BHARATIYA MAZDOOR SANGH
 
Datopant Thengadi Bhawan, 27, Deendayal Upadhyay Marg, New Delhi-110002
 
Is-011 23222654 Fax: 91-11-23212648 Website: www.bms.org.in E-mail:
bm...@gmail.com
 
Ref-BMS/C-2/171/2023
 
Dated-27.07.2023
 
BMS CENTRAL LEADERSHIP MET FINANCE MINISTER ON IMPORTANT ISSUES OF BANKMEN
PENDING SINCE LONG:
 
A Central Delegation of Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh, led by All India President
Shri H.J. Pandya, Sri Girish Arya, All India Secretary & In-charge of
Financial Sector met the Finance Minister Smt. Nirmala Sitharaman at her
office on 27.7.2023 at 4.30 pm. S/Sri Mutiyalu, V.V. Raghav and Kondalrao
also accompanied the Delegation. The meeting lasted till 5.15 pm.
 
The purpose of the meeting of the Delegation was to attract the attention
of the Hon'ble Finance Minister towards the burning issues of the Bank
Employees and to request their early resolution. On this occasion, the
Delegation handed over the memorandum bearing No. BMS/C-2/168/2023 dated
27.7.2023 to the Hon'ble Finance Minister, in which the burning issues have
been raised point-wise, which were discussed in details.
 
1. PENSION UPDATION:
 
In the matter of Pension Revision up to 31.10.2017 on RBI line and 100% DA
to pre- November, 2002 Pensioners, the Delegation told the Hon'ble Finance
Minister that Pension in Banking came after Pension Settlement in RBI in
1990. On 29.10.1993 an agreement was signed between IBA and bank unions.
 
To explain the uniformity of Pension of RBI and other Banks, the Delegation
informed the Hon'ble Finance Minister that while in RBI Pension is given in
lieu of PF contribution, in other Banks also it is in lieu of CPF. Pension
in RBI came into effect from 1.1.1986, so did the same in the case of other
Banks. The basic condition of Pension was to revise the Pension with every
Pay Revision. The 5th Bipartite Settlement was done along with Pension
Settlement of 29.10.1993, which was effective from 1.11.1987, so the
Pension in RBI as well as other Banks was updated up to 31.10.1987.
 
Now, the Government has updated the Pension of RBI and NABARD Pensioners up
to 31.10.2017. Therefore, in compliance with the Pension Agreement dated
29.10.1993, the same should be done in the case of other Banks also.
 
3. PENSION OPTIONS FOR RESIGNEES AND OTHERS, IF ANY,
 
The delegation apprised the Hon'ble Finance Minister that there are a
handful of Resignees who were not given the option of pension. There are
some other people who have been left out. Sacked, Dismissed, Terminated,
Removed, CRS people have been given the option of pension. They all were
punished for some unseemly conduct, but pension has been awarded to them.
 
Resignees mentioned in the same clause are not given pension option. They
resigned due to some unavoidable family problems. They worked honestly in
the Banks. They have been denied the right to Pension without any cogent
reason. They deserve justice.
 
4. PENSION AND OTHER RETIREMENT BENEFITS ON SPECIAL ALLOWANCE:
 
In the 10th and 11th Pay Revisions, a big percentage of basic pay has been
deducted and renamed as 'Special Allowance'. This Special Allowance is
ineligible for Pension and other retirement benefits. It is in vogue at the
rate of 7.75% to 11% of Basic Pay with effect from 1.11.2012 and 16.4% of
Basic Pay with effect from 1.11.2017. Thus the Pension has been reduced
from 50% to 45.5% with effect from 1.11.2012 and 41.8% from 1.11.2017
 
There are several court cases pending in the High Courts and the Kerala
High Court has held it wrong.
 
Special allowance should be allowed for Pension and other superannuation
benefits, is our humble submission.
 
5. EXTREMELY IMPORTANT - REGULATION OF DAILY WAGERS:
 
The Delegation informed FM that around 1.5 lakh people are working on daily
wage basis for last 5 to 15 years in regular peon posts. They come from SC,
ST, OBC and most oppressed class. They are being exploited a lot, they are
not getting any benefits that regular employees get.
 
The delegation made a strong appeal to the Honourable Finance Minister to
kindly arrange regularization letters to these daily wage workers at the
hands of the Honourable Prime Minister. This will end the bonded labour
policy in banks. This will be a big message for the suffering and exploited
section of the society.
 
6. DEMANDS OF WORKING EMPLOYEES:
 
Referring to the problems of working bank employees, the Delegation
demanded immediate approval of 5-day banking, which has been agreed between
the Unions and IBA.
 
BMS has taken a holistic approach to the problems of Bank Employees,
officers and Pensioners. In the first phase, the organization has taken up
very serious and long pending cases and it will be our endeavour to be
successful in maximum cases. In next phase we shall take up other issues
including court cases which Banks/ IBA are pursuing against Bank men.
 
Sincerely yours, & In-charge Financial Sector, Mo-9818206399
 
Girish Chandra Arya,
 
All India Secretary,
K Balasubramanian <kba...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 04:50AM +0530

Ray of hope.let this BMS can be the saviour of the bank men atleast from
now on because of their affiliations to the corridors of power .when good
time starts God will do the same through some person .
Let the golden era of bankmen both serving and retired should shine with
the help of God
K balasubramanian indian bank vrs2001
 
Sarangapani Rao <sak...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 12:26PM +0530

Yes, Balu. Your positive , encouraging , optimistic observation is
realistic & factual,
having been fed up with frequent pessimistic messages till a few days ago.
Let us pray this becomes a reality soon for
more things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of 🙏😊
Sarangapani
Indian Bank
VRS 2001
 
Anantharaman Tg <tganant...@gmail.com>: Jul 31 10:16AM +0530

This is to share with all members about the achievement of
the long pending demand.
 
It is not out of place to remember at this time the leader 'Shri Debesh
Bhattacharya of United Banks Retirees' welfare Assn, who was the
initiator for this demand and could got it from Kolkata High Court., though
subsequently SC rejected it.
 
He must be satisfied now that the issue has ended with settlement
though it took a long time.
 
 
Let us all convey our thanks and grateful regards to him.
"bnma...@gmail.com" <bnma...@gmail.com>: Jul 30 06:03AM -0700

The cap for heart surgery is very low. The policy will not serve any
purpose.
the top-up policy will be of any use .
The premium for the theTop-up policy will be high
What an achievement.
 
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Dear Subrahmanyam Korsapati, 

You had written: "CNPrasad didn’t disclose the contempt case No. filed  in SC ( as told by Rtd assn ) till now. He is also seen like  a non believable person " Please elaborate on your remarks. Sri Prasad is recognised as a respectable leader of SBMPC, from which I am an Organising Secretary. I do not remember or have any evidence of you having donated/contributed to file a Contempt Petition in SC. Why should we give you the Case Number? If you have grounds and resources, file yourself and do not expect any benefit from the suits filed by others!

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Mr Balaji Sir

It is easy to send Rockets and Space ships  in 5/10 years to Moon, Mars or even Venus.   But Bankers IBA and UBFU. Want to send their mission  beyond Neptune. First in the world . Think High. Atleast Oneday Yoy Will Achieve. So it will need More time, More Energy More scrutiny and many more

Mr. Niranjan Sir
Does our Bank   leaders depend Only on Pension for livelihood like Us. No offence made.  They are masters. We are only workers wven now.
VAIDYANATHAN 


On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 4:02 PM <bankpe...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Srinivasan Badri <sriniva...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 04:24PM +0530

Yes. He has to be thanked.UBIRWA spent around 15 lacs Orso. AIRBF
unnecessarily impleaded and did not conduct the case properly.
 
On Mon, 31 Jul, 2023, 15:42 Anantharaman Tg, <tganant...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 04:26PM +0530

DA and Basic Pension increase...How?
 
MOHANDAS RAO <kmra...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 06:41PM +0530

Dear Kushal Mukhoti Sir,
 
The calculator works fine. But the cells I24, etc show #NAME?# instead of
outputs.
Perhaps the columns need a little stretching. Please consider and attached
a revised one.
 
K. MOHANDAS RAO
Encl: one
 
 
kushal mukhoti <kush...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 11:39AM +0530

Dear Mohandas Rao, Sir,
I am reattaching the same file. The file is working fine on my computer. I
don't know what's the problem. The columns are sufficiently stretched. I am
sending one screenshot of the calculator with your pension figures. Please
inform me if it is still not working.
Thank you.
KM.
Enclosed: 2
 
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 11:35AM -0400

Same copy paste answer from MOF
 
"-These regulations do not have provision for revision of pension.
 
-matter of pension updation of Banks is sub-judice in Hon'ble Supreme Court
of India."
 
*** ****
 
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA
 
MINISTRY OF FINANCE
 
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCIAL SERVICES
 
LOK SABHA
 
UNSTARRED QUESTION No. 1621
 
ANSWERED ON 31st JULY, 2023 / SRAVANA 9, 1945 (SAKA)
 
Pension Scheme for Retirees
 
1621. SHRI RAJMOHAN UNNITHAN:
 
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
 
(a) whether the Government is aware that even after twenty eight years
since introduction of pension scheme in Banks, it has not been revised and
the retirees, especially those retired long back are living with great
difficulty with a meagre amount of pension if so, the details thereof;
 
(b) whether the Bank Retirees are not given revision in pension along with
the wage revision of serving employees on similar lines like the pension,
scheme of Central and State Government retirees;
 
(c) whether the Government proposes to raise/revise the pension scheme of
the bank
 
retirees to ensure the quantum of pension payable to pensioner is adequate
to meet
 
his/her basic needs and lifestyle to which he/she is accustomed to live to
achieve the
 
objective of social welfare;
 
(d) if so, the details thereof; and
 
(e) if not, the reasons therefor?
 
ANSWER
 
 
 
MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (DR. BHAGWAT KARAD)
 
(a) to (e): Pension, a funded scheme, was introduced in nationalised banks
through Bipartite Settlement signed on 29.10.1993 (covering employees
retired on or after 1.1.1986), between unions/associations of bank
employees and the Indian Banks' Association (IBA), which negotiated on
behalf of participating banks. The Boards of the respective nationalised
banks accordingly made Employees' Pension Regulations, 1995, in exercise of
their powers under section 19 of the Banking Companies (Acquisition and
Transfer of Undertakings) Act, 1970/1980. These regulations do not have
provision for revision of pension.
 
However, pensioners/retirees of banks are being granted Dearness Relief on
pension and the same is being increased from time to time i.e. on half
yearly basis.
IBA has further informed that the matter of pension updation of Banks is
sub-judice in Hon'ble Supreme Court of India.
kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 12:02PM +0530

Govt is not employer of bank employees and therefore they gave the reply
in parliament which appears to be correct.
 
Ramakrishnan S <ramakri...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 04:55PM +0530

You rightly put it. Denial of 100% da to pre nov 2002 was infact a revenge
taking by thenufbu leadership on VRS optees. They did everything to deny 5
yr weightage co.mutation and granti g 50% basic pension to vrs optees. It
was only because of the court cases we wonthose things. Many stalwarts were
there and in the middle many left this world. Whatever the vrs people got
extra more than that was snatched away from them by denying this 100% da.
In fact, when one compare the retirement benefits of a present clerk, with
that of a se ior officer vrs optee , the VRS benefits were abysmally
low. Both IBA and ufbu behaved grudgingly towards the pre2002 pensioners
and only due to the intervention of FM Nirmalaji, due the the efforts of a
group of dedecated retirees, pre2002 people got belated justice.
 
 
R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 10:13PM +0530

pre 2002 pensioners issue resolved but what about pension updation for all ?
It seems that it will go to back bench and may take further decade
 
*R BALAJI*
 
 
On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 3:50 PM RANGARAJAN M R <rangar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran <chandra...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 11:02AM +0530

No use in lamenting over the past. All that ends well is good. Now that due
to the benevolence of the FM we got the benefit, let us forget the past and
move forward. All things are destined to happen and we do not have any role
to play.
 
If we get updation also, it will be a bonus to us.
 
G Ramachandran
CB -SVRS
 
On Thu, 3 Aug, 2023, 09:46 Ramakrishnan S, <ramakri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 10:24AM +0530

We got benefit of da neutralization and there is no use in highlighting the
past by many people with different explanations and opinions.Please look
for chance of getting arrears like in RBI.
 
 
kds nair <sasidhar...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 11:56AM +0530

IBA is looking into updation.Court can also order for it.We can get some
information after 6/10/24.
 
Ramani Konnayar <knra...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 08:06PM +0530

It may please be noted that pre2002 have now been granted only that which
the other retirees have been getting since Feb2005/date of retirement.
While asking for arrears is not unreasonable, that demand will never be
entertained for the sheer quantum of monies involved.
 
Jayaram periyapatna <pnjay...@yahoo.com>: Aug 02 04:35PM

Chv will be very happy to hear that lot of our colleagues have departed in penury without seeing any 100% neutralization in their lifetime.  Chv should try to live as a pensioner pre 2002 with no savings except pension and will know the pain, agony, and humiliation.  Some of our pensioners say that we should be happy with whatever we get.  Let those people keep such comments to themselves and not to preach their ideology to the whole group.  This google group is not for them.   We too have worked and when our PM Modiji declared one rank one pension to defence personnel, we welcomed it.  Why some of our own people oppose updation.  Perhaps they are chamchas.
 
 
 
 
 
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 03:48:00 PM GMT+5:30, R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
Pre 2002 retirees must be happy to have received 100 % DA with prospective effect because the said demand was rejected by the apex cour.
I feel that pension updation must have been given which would have covered 100% DA also when implemented
INstead of satisfied with what they have now got asking for arrears is not in good taste because lot of other retirees are left out without any updation in their pension and also they donot know whether the same will be demanded by UFBU in near future
R BALAJI

 
 
 
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Niranjan Cn <niran...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 09:55AM +0530

Sirs,
 
What CHV will get ? Anyone can explain? What AIBOC leaders will get ?
What NCBE leaders will get ??
 
Any answers ?
 
Niranjan
 
On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 at 9:50 AM, 'Jayaram periyapatna' via bankpensioner <
"asve...@gmail.com" <asve...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 06:06AM

Very correct 
 
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Chv will be very happy to hear that lot of our colleagues have departed in penury without seeing any 100% neutralization in their lifetime.  Chv should try to live as a pensioner pre 2002 with no savings except pension and will know the pain, agony, and humiliation.  Some of our pensioners say that we should be happy with whatever we get.  Let those people keep such comments to themselves and not to preach their ideology to the whole group.  This google group is not for them.   We too have worked and when our PM Modiji declared one rank one pension to defence personnel, we welcomed it.  Why some of our own people oppose updation.  Perhaps they are chamchas.
 
 
 
 
 
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 03:48:00 PM GMT+5:30, R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
Pre 2002 retirees must be happy to have received 100 % DA with prospective effect because the said demand was rejected by the apex cour.
I feel that pension updation must have been given which would have covered 100% DA also when implemented
INstead of satisfied with what they have now got asking for arrears is not in good taste because lot of other retirees are left out without any updation in their pension and also they donot know whether the same will be demanded by UFBU in near future
R BALAJI

 
 
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NSS <nsanka...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 10:32PM -0700

*Friends*
*The issue of having date of retirement as cutoff date for extending
benefit like improvement in DA formula has not attained finality in the
Supreme court yet. (In our case the Honourable Supreme Court ruled that
cutoff date is permitted in such cases.) Please go through the enclosed
order of the Court. Once this case is decided by the Hon'ble Three Judge
Bench, upholding the earlier decisions that improvement in an existing
benefit should be extended to all without any cutoff date, we can file a
Writ Petition in any of the High Courts seeking a direction to the Banks to
pay arrears. *
 
*Another avenue available is raising an Industrial Dispute by applying for
reference of the dispute to a Tribunal. This can be done only by Unions
/Associations representing the Workmen. *
*We Bankers Association represents Workmen also and they have raised
Industrial Disputes earlier. Sometimes Back I have sent a request to them
in this regard. Though they acknowledged my request. no further
information has come from them.*
 
*Regards*
 
*N.Sankara Subramanian*
 
 
 
On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 09:44:48 UTC+5:30 Gopalakrishnan Ramachandran
wrote:
 
Narayanan Venkateshwaran <seevi...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 09:52PM -0700

In the Lok Sabha proceedings on 31st of last month ,for an unstarred
question raised by Hon Member Shri Rajmohan Unnithan on the subject ,the
Hon Minster of State for Finance Dr.Bhagawat Karad has given the usual
reply viz
That scheme is fund based and no provision has been incorporated in the
regulation for Updation
DA facility is available
The matter is under litigation in SC
Yes the scheme is fund based, fund created out of foregone Employers'
contribution to PF of both retired and serving Employees.
All pension scheme work based on some fund creation
Bank Employees pension Fund has become close ended after advent of new
pension scheme creating panic about adequacy of fund to serve the last of
eligible pensioner/Family pensioner
 
It should be appreciated that pensioners cannot be made sacrificial goat
for bruise suffered in the fund on account of above development.
In the same vein can pensioners be made punch Bag for banks suffering
losses thanks to write off,,thereby crippled to fulfil their obligation
under the regulation which religiously lays that all requirements for
pension fund has to be met by them.
 
The argument that regulation carries no provision for updation does not
hold water for, similar was the status of RBI SCHEME .No specific clause
exists for central govt Employees pension scheme too
Central Govt also has a moral responsibility as they had walked away with
sizable revenue after divestment which also has a retrogade effect on
pension Fund
The negotiating team of Union and Association supposed to represent
pensioners has done nothing for pensioners so far
In the ongoing bipartite also they have decorative post of pensioners
representatives.
Visualise hungry pensioner standing, with bated breath holding on to the
closed gates of negotiation venue where deliberations take place over a
sumpuous Lunch but nothing coming in their favour year after year
Will this not catch the eyes of judiciary?
Txs
C V Narayanan
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 08:45AM -0400

Dear Mr.Karunakaran,
Eligibility to renew IBA Group Medi Insurance Policy was restricted in
earlier years to originally enrolled retirees only.
However now there is no such restrictions and banks are allowing
retirees/family pensioners who have already covered under previous policy
and left out from renewing their policies in previous years to enroll fresh
for latest policy.
 
So any retiree those who wish to join in current IBA policy for 2023-24 on
payment of prescribed premium can do that.You may contact the bank branch
to proceed further once policy terms are announced.
 
Regarding rate of premium, some understanding has been reached on GMIS of
IBA with Unions and details of new premium rate will be known shortly
before Oct 2023.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Vvns Varaprasadrao <varapra...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 04:33PM +0530

Your father can enroll again in the insurance scheme during the month of
Oct,2023.
 
The premium details are yet to be known. Wait for detailed circular from
Indian Bank.
 
 
 
 
Karunakaran N <nkk...@gmail.com>: Aug 03 10:34AM +0530

Thanks Mr. Mohan & Mr. Varaprasad
 
I came to know the base policy - sum insured of 2 Lakhs will be bourne by
the bank for retirees.
 
This is likely to happen ?
 
 
Regards,
 
Karunakaran
 
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 9:48 AM Vvns Varaprasadrao <varapra...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 09:23AM -0400

Dear Friends,
 
Official circular of IBA on Pensioners DR for the period 1st August 2023 to
31st Jan 2024 is furnished below:
 
 
https://www.iba.org.in/circulars/dearness-relief-payable-to-pensioners-for-the-period-august-2023-to-january-2024_1482.html
 
mohan p <moha...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 12:40PM -0400

Dear Mr.Balaji,
 
Your question is apt and same may be in the minds of all retirees.Answer
may not be so simple.
 
One can observe and learn from ISRO how our Chandrayaan-3 mission to Moon
will proceed in stages and expected time of landing.
 
But in the matter of Updation of Pension, retirees /retirees apex
organisations do not have any idea when it will be discussed at IBA ,
rathen than implemented!
 
Under legal process though delayed ultimately a verdict may come either
positive or negative.
 
Here only certain positive indications, are before us now.One of the long
pending issues ie: 100% DR issue has been sorted out last day,benefitting
few thousands of senior/super senior citizen pensioners/family pensioners.
 
Now let us hope that updation of pension benefitting all pensioners /family
pensioners in banks too may be sorted out by IBA/UFBU in forthcoming wage
negotiation talks.
 
Some favorable aspects are: As per MOF/FM the profit of the PSBs in latest
FY is good and level of NPA has also came down.Hon.FM has also expressed in
open forums on her concern on resolving bank retirees issues (as well as
through reply in Parliament.)
We cannot also, under estimate the efforts taken by all
organisations/individuals towards, in this direction.
It will happen.
Regards,
 
 
R Balaji <rbal...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 10:54PM +0530

Thanks Mr Mohan for your detailed response
My only apprehension is whether UFBU will take up pension updation issue
before next bipartite settlement
Regards
 
Seshaiyer Devadass <seshaiyer...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 09:35PM +0530

[image: image.png]
*S.Devadass, State Bank of India - Retd, Palani-624601*
*Cell:9442250104*
 
 
On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:59 PM pradip kumar Roy <pradi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 
Seshaiyer Devadass <seshaiyer...@gmail.com>: Aug 02 09:31PM +0530

Dear Sir
Kindly go through the following:
[image: 1.GRATUITY EFFECTIVE DATES (2).jpeg]
 
*S.Devadass, State Bank of India - Retd, Palani-624601*
*Cell:9442250104*
 
 
On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 3:59 PM pradip kumar Roy <pradi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 

Subrahmanyam Korsapati

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Who try for up-to-date arrears from 2005 on account of. 100% DA
Our leaders are thieves do not request them as they collected some % from IBA and built fixed assets at singpur Delhi Madras etc etc

JSOMA SHEKARA

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Sri.C.N.Prasad is contributing much to get benefits to the pensioners. He has worked hard to get 5 years benefit, 50% Basic pension and commutation arrears from DOR along with Sri.Palani and others  and he has also succeeded in ensuring recovery of  commutation from Date of credit instead of DOR. Please note that even today some PSU banks have not properly implemented SC verdict of 2018 and other two retiree's organizations have put the issue to cold storage.
Unlike other major retiree organizations Prasad does not work for publicity and he is monitoring some important cases and will come out with details at appropriate term.Please have patience till then.

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Friends,

I am a VRS 2001 retiree from State Bank of Travancore. We have not yet received the 5 year notional service benefit u/s. 29(5). Our association ABROA Unit SBT helped us, but the suits failed. Recently I requested the national and Kerala State leaders of AIBPARC to add this demand in their 'DEMAND LIST'  submitted to IBA and Finance Minister. But our repeated requests was rejected by AIBPARC leaders. Now SBI management and AIBPARC leaders are rejecting our request for allowing the benefit U/s 29(5). What is the benefit to AIBPARC leaders in rejecting our demand?

Now I have taken up the issue with  Supreme Court, and waiting for the response / reply from the SC.

JOSE T K  VRS Retiree from SBT. 16 Aug 23.


On Wednesday, August 16, 2023, JSOMA SHEKARA <jsomase...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sri.C.N.Prasad is contributing much to get benefits to the pensioners. He has worked hard to get 5 years benefit, 50% Basic pension and commutation arrears from DOR along with Sri.Palani and others  and he has also succeeded in ensuring recovery of  commutation from Date of credit instead of DOR. Please note that even today some PSU banks have not properly implemented SC verdict of 2018 and other two retiree's organizations have put the issue to cold storage.
Unlike other major retiree organizations Prasad does not work for publicity and he is monitoring some important cases and will come out with details at appropriate term.Please have patience till then.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 9:31 AM Subrahmanyam Korsapati <ksm...@gmail.com> wrote:
Who try for up-to-date arrears from 2005 on account of. 100% DA
Our leaders are thieves do not request them as they collected some % from IBA and built fixed assets at singpur Delhi Madras etc etc

On Mon, 31 Jul, 2023, 10:19 pm Subrahmanyam Korsapati, <ksm...@gmail.com> wrote:
CNPrasad didn’t disclose the contempt case No. filed  in SC ( as told by Rtd assn ) till now. He is also seen like  a non believable person 
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