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Jean Jordaan  
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 More options Feb 9 2010, 11:55 pm
From: Jean Jordaan <jean.jord...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:55:55 +0700
Local: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Monday night project... Bangspace Ajax Forums
Hi Tony

> I am familiar with Deliverance... It's a very innovative solution
> created to overcome the terrible theming mechanics of Plone.

Yes, too much of the underlying mechanics and history shows through;
still, it's a powerful system. In case anyone is interested, there's a
path through the maze:

http://www.packtpub.com/plone-3-theming-create-flexible-powerful-prof...
http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2009/10/25/plone-3-theming.html

> I have a few questions...

I'm afraid I have to refer you to the deliverance mailing list:
  http://www.coactivate.org/projects/deliverance/lists/deliverance-disc...

You'll get more authoritative answers there.

> 1. How easy is it for someone with knowledge of only CSS & HTML to use
> each of your proposed solutions?

In the case of deliverance, you write an HTML template and CSS, and
then write rules to specify which elements of the source are spliced
into which parts of the template. You can use CSS3 or XPath selectors.

> Do they need to be able to write Python code?

No Python. A designer can just write HTML/CSS, and either delegate the
writing of rules or use banjo (point and click rule generation in the
browser):
  http://www.coactivate.org/projects/banjo/project-home

> 2. How long does it take to setup Deliverance or a Django reverse
> proxy to display content using a complex skin? I know this is a
> difficult question... but once you know the app does it take much
> longer than creating a Drupal skin, for example?

You just need to know that element A of the source replaces element B
in the theme.

> 3. What's the story with sharing login information?

Deliverance is supposed to be perfectly transparent.

> To be honest, I am a little hesitant to take the approach you propose.
> Please understand that I know technologically what you suggest is
> superior.

No worries. I'm not actually using it seriously myself, just testing
the waters. I have seen from the mailing list that javascript apps
like richtext editors can cause problems. It also hasn't quite settled
down yet: there are at least two routes being explored: deliverance
itself, and xdv ("a subset of Deliverance using a pure XSLT engine.
With xdv, you "compile" your theme and ruleset in one step, then use a
superfast/simple transform on each request thereafter."). I wouldn't
be surprised if banjo is lagging.

> The advantages to creating a Drupal only module are as follows...

Unless you think it's worthwhile learning about deliverance, stick to
what you know.

> And there's lots of modules like
> subscriptions, notifications, voting, taxonomy, image scaling, video
> embedding, facebook connect etc. that can provide a huge amount of
> functionality needed out of the box.

No proxying approach should hamper your use of these.

--
jean                                              . .. .... //\\\oo///\\


 
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