Changes in Motorcycle Safety Classes
John Beck
Calfornia?
They used to be run by the California Motorcycle Safety Program (which
was "supervised" by the CHP) - they were CMSP, not MSF classes, they
merely used MSF materials. As of Jan 2004, the classes are being run
by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. So those of us who kept calling
them MSF classes will finally be technically correct!! [NOTE: some
might think that the CSMP was dumped to save money, but it actually made
a tiny bit of profit!!]
I beleive (but am not sure) that passing the BRC still gets one out of
taking the riding test at the DMV, but the course structure has been
re-vamped. One change is talking about crashes: under CMSP they
avoided and discussion of motorcycle crashes (tried to keep the class
up-beat), now they go into detail about crashes and what leads to crashes.
As far as range work (which is the most important part of it, IMHO) I
think most of the exercises remain unchanged. [Although, I wish they
would have raised the bar a bit - when I took the BRC I almost started
screaming out of boredom for the first range day. The "Buddy Push" is
humiliating.] I am not sure about changes to the exam - when I find
out more I'll let ya all know.
Denise Howard
<bec...@tmotoDOT.stanfordDOT.edu> wrote:
> So are you guys aware of the changes in the Motorcycle Safety Classes in
> Calfornia?
>
> They used to be run by the California Motorcycle Safety Program (which
> was "supervised" by the CHP) - they were CMSP, not MSF classes, they
> merely used MSF materials. As of Jan 2004, the classes are being run
> by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. So those of us who kept calling
> them MSF classes will finally be technically correct!!
Actually not all of the motorcycle classes were run by the CMSP. Some
really were MSF. The class I took was held at Mountain View-Los Altos
High School, and was MSF. In fact I never even heard of the CMSP until
a few months later when a friend told me that was the course she'd
taken.
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Dan Carter
> So are you guys aware of the changes in the Motorcycle Safety Classes in
> Calfornia?
>
> They used to be run by the California Motorcycle Safety Program (which
> was "supervised" by the CHP) - they were CMSP, not MSF classes, they
> merely used MSF materials. As of Jan 2004, the classes are being run
> by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.
I wasn't aware of the change. Under CMSP, classes were given by
independent businesses staffed by MSF-certified instructors who taught
MSF curriculum. And the state partially subsidized training for riders
under 21, who are required to pass the class to be get their license.
Neither the CMSP website (http://www.ca-msp.org), the CHP website
(http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/motorcycle.html), nor the MSF website
(http://www.msf-usa.org) says anything about a change. And a Google
search didn't turn up anything either. Can you provide any more
details?
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Dan Carter, San Luis Obispo, CA <Dat...@A-Tee-Tee.net>
Leigh Ann Chen
news:4016C38A...@tmotoDOT.stanfordDOT.edu:
>
>
> As far as range work (which is the most important part of it, IMHO) I
> think most of the exercises remain unchanged. [Although, I wish they
> would have raised the bar a bit - when I took the BRC I almost started
> screaming out of boredom for the first range day. The "Buddy Push"
> is humiliating.] I am not sure about changes to the exam - when I
> find out more I'll let ya all know.
>
Actually, just having been through the instructor update
I can tell you that there are less exercises overall.
I think the old RSS was 22, the BRC is 17.
Many exercises have been incorporated into one,
and some have been dropped all together. (including
the mentioned "buddy push")
Also, classroom instruction has changed. There
are updated videos (finally) and some more
interactive ways to engage students. (no,
not more armchair exercises)
la
Kelly Hall
"Leigh Ann Chen" <lady_r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947D9CAC07114...@127.0.0.1...
> Many exercises have been incorporated into one,
> and some have been dropped all together. (including
> the mentioned "buddy push")
I sort of liked the buddy push. Granted, it took a fair amount of effort to
get my fat body moving enough to get my buddy up to speed. Still, I liked
being able to use find and use the brakes while the engine was off.
Kelly
David P. Russell
MUCH BETTER!
No buddy push, no armchairs, much better class room format, surmounting
obstacles (2x4's) shifting into 3rd! ohmygawd, and in a turn too!
double u turns in a 20' rectangle, the sharp corners where you pulled the
clutch in and coasted through are gone, etc. Overall it is much more
realistic...how many times have you done a sharp corner with the clutch in
out there in the real world?
I was and am very impressed. The videos are all different except for the
drinking one, but they are still using the two at the start with the couple
that go over gear and controls, they have not finished those. And the
videos are 5 minutes, much shorter.
highly recommended....
the ERC looks to be a lot better too.
David
MSF/CMSP in Cloverdale
John Beck
> In article <4016C38A...@tmotoDOT.stanfordDOT.edu>, John Beck
> <bec...@tmotoDOT.stanfordDOT.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>So are you guys aware of the changes in the Motorcycle Safety Classes in
>>Calfornia?
>>
>>They used to be run by the California Motorcycle Safety Program (which
>>was "supervised" by the CHP) - they were CMSP, not MSF classes, they
>>merely used MSF materials. As of Jan 2004, the classes are being run
>>by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. So those of us who kept calling
>>them MSF classes will finally be technically correct!!
>
>
> Actually not all of the motorcycle classes were run by the CMSP. Some
> really were MSF. The class I took was held at Mountain View-Los Altos
> High School, and was MSF. In fact I never even heard of the CMSP until
> a few months later when a friend told me that was the course she'd
> taken.
When did you take the course? I ask because a buddy of mine has been
teaching through Los Altos/MV Adult education (the ones who do the class
at LA/MVHS) for a while and he gave me the inside scoop on this (FYI:
his name is Larry Green, in case he taught any of you). Last November
they told them that they were cancelling the CMSP and going to let MSF
run the courses.
BTW: The subsidy for < 21yo riders taking the course comes from your &
my motorcycle registration fees. It will still be subsidized for < 21
riders.
JGB
nob...@nowhere.com
> John Beck wrote:
>> So are you guys aware of the changes in the Motorcycle Safety Classes in
>> Calfornia?
>>
>> They used to be run by the California Motorcycle Safety Program (which
>> was "supervised" by the CHP) - they were CMSP, not MSF classes, they
>> merely used MSF materials. As of Jan 2004, the classes are being run
>> by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.
> I wasn't aware of the change. Under CMSP, classes were given by
> independent businesses staffed by MSF-certified instructors who taught
> MSF curriculum. And the state partially subsidized training for riders
> under 21, who are required to pass the class to be get their license.
No, the classes were taught by CMSP-certified instructors who taught the
CMSP curriculum, which was a modified version of the MSF curriculum. The
CMSP instructors were NOT actually MSF instructors, although most of them
referred to themselves as MSF instructors. The CMSP instructor curriculum
was close enough to the MSF curriculum that a CMSP-certified instructor
could become an MSF-certified instructor simply by submitting a form to
MSF.
The CHP didn't directly run the California Motorcycle Safety Program.
Instead, they contracted out the administration of the program. Until the
end of last year, the contractor was a company called Crane something
(Crane & Associates, Crane Inc., or something like that). Crane was
responsible for the decision to modify the MSF curriculum and use the
modified curriculum in the CMSP program.
For whatever reason, when the contract expired and was due for renewal,
Crane lost out and the MSF was selected as the new contractor.
So, technically the CMSP still exists as an independent program, separate
from the MSF. But since the MSF now has the contract to administer the
CMSP, obviously they are not going to use a modified curriculum like Crane
did.
At the same time that the CMSP was changing the contractor from Crane to
MSF, MSF was introducing fairly drastic changes to the MSF curriculum. So
the CMSP schools are going from teaching the CMSP curriculum, which was
pretty close to the OLD MSF curriculum, to teaching the NEW MSF
curriculum.
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Dan Carter
> Dan Carter wrote:
>> I wasn't aware of the change. Under CMSP, classes were given by
>> independent businesses staffed by MSF-certified instructors who taught
>> MSF curriculum. And the state partially subsidized training for riders
>> under 21, who are required to pass the class to be get their license.
>
> No, the classes were taught by CMSP-certified instructors who taught the
> CMSP curriculum, which was a modified version of the MSF curriculum. The
> CMSP instructors were NOT actually MSF instructors, although most of them
> referred to themselves as MSF instructors. The CMSP instructor curriculum
> was close enough to the MSF curriculum that a CMSP-certified instructor
> could become an MSF-certified instructor simply by submitting a form to
> MSF.
Thanks for the correction.
> At the same time that the CMSP was changing the contractor from Crane to
> MSF, MSF was introducing fairly drastic changes to the MSF curriculum. So
> the CMSP schools are going from teaching the CMSP curriculum, which was
> pretty close to the OLD MSF curriculum, to teaching the NEW MSF
> curriculum.
That might explain a few things I've noticed recently. Both the CMSP
website URL and content have changed, and the 1-800-CCRIDER number for
class offerings has been changed to 1-877-RIDE-411.
I take the ERC every few years, but it's been 3 since my last, I think.
I'll be interested to find out if the ERC has been updated too.
Denise Howard
<bec...@tmotoDOT.stanfordDOT.edu> wrote:
> Denise Howard wrote:
> >
> > Actually not all of the motorcycle classes were run by the CMSP. Some
> > really were MSF. The class I took was held at Mountain View-Los Altos
> > High School, and was MSF. In fact I never even heard of the CMSP until
> > a few months later when a friend told me that was the course she'd
> > taken.
>
> When did you take the course? I ask because a buddy of mine has been
> teaching through Los Altos/MV Adult education (the ones who do the class
> at LA/MVHS) for a while and he gave me the inside scoop on this (FYI:
> his name is Larry Green, in case he taught any of you). Last November
> they told them that they were cancelling the CMSP and going to let MSF
> run the courses.
Let's see....7 years ago this month. A guy named Bob Jones was running
it at the time.
One day a photographer showed up on the range (parking lot) and took
some pictures, including one of me and another gal with big smiles and
holding our helmets while sitting on the bikes. A couple of years
later the photo showed up in the adult ed catalog. :-)
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