3rd try: Restaurant near Zanker & Tasman?
evergene
up. I'm looking for a restaurant recommendation, for a business
dinner, near here: http://tinyurl.com/5z9c5r
The party of five will include folks from Singapore and North
Carolina, so barbecue and Malaysian food are out. One person has
expressed her lack of enthusiasm for sushi; other than that, I don't
know their food preferences.
Thanks.
Al Eisner
> 3rd attempt at posting this; please excuse multiple posts if they show
> up.
No, they didn't show up. What did they say?
> I'm looking for a restaurant recommendation, for a business
> dinner, near here: http://tinyurl.com/5z9c5r
> The party of five will include folks from Singapore and North
> Carolina, so barbecue and Malaysian food are out. One person has
> expressed her lack of enthusiasm for sushi; other than that, I don't
> know their food preferences.
I don't know anything right there, but it's a quick run down Tasman
to Milpitas Square, which has Mayflower for example. Or is Chinese
food also ruled out by the Malaysian connection?
--
Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Chester
> I don't know anything right there, but it's a quick run down Tasman
> to Milpitas Square, which has Mayflower for example. Or is Chinese
> food also ruled out by the Malaysian connection?
Yeah, there's about a billion Chinese options, thanks to Milpitas
Square and the Ulfert's Plaza down the block. But I think you should
just go to McCarthy Ranch and take them to In'n'Out.
Hardy-har-har.
You could take them to either Mayflower or ABC...or maybe Darda
(Chinese Muslim). But even if the avoidance of Malaysian extends to
avoidance of all E. Asian cuisine, this could be problematic because
it might involve waiting for a table for an unacceptable period of
time. But those bigger places ought to take reservations (esp.
Mayflower), so consider them.
Otherwise, your options are pretty much only going to be crappy chain
places like Macaroni Grill or Applebee's [1]. Even if you extend your
radius, the selection of Western-style places only grows to include
places like the Red Lobster on Calaveras.
If they'd be interested in doing Vietnamese, there's a place on
Calaveras that's pretty good. Or, if you can range a bit further
afield, there's a French-inspired Vietnamese place that's more white-
tablecloth on Jacklin...
If none of the above work, then you might have to go to the Great
America sort of area or maybe BDSJ.
Chester
[1] I actually think Applebee's is just fine, for what it is.
Todd Michel McComb
Chester <cheste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>But even if the avoidance of Malaysian extends to avoidance of all
Milpitas Square also contains some Asian places that are doing their
take on Western food, if that's of interestr: Red Flame, Pepper
Steak, Pepper Lunch. Of course, there's the inimitable Hot Pot City.
(Also Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese places.)
Steve Fenwick
evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> wrote:
About a million bizbees ago, Nicolino's was a "nice" place to go to
dinner. Not walking distance, but reasonably close.
<http://nicolinosgardencafe.com/>
Steve
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Al Eisner
> Otherwise, your options are pretty much only going to be crappy chain
> places like Macaroni Grill or Applebee's [1]. Even if you extend your
> radius, the selection of Western-style places only grows to include
> places like the Red Lobster on Calaveras.
I would still rate Pasta Pomodoro (also at McCarthy Ranch) as better than
those places, although some of their stuff isn't as good as it used to
be. But I was there over the weekend (first time in quite awhile) and
had a nice cappellini (sp?) with garlic-tomato sauce. Not a great place,
but relatively worthwhile.
> If they'd be interested in doing Vietnamese, there's a place on
> Calaveras that's pretty good. Or, if you can range a bit further
> afield, there's a French-inspired Vietnamese place that's more white-
> tablecloth on Jacklin...
Can you be more specific about the place on Calaveras? I'm intereted
in such recommendations in that area.
> If none of the above work, then you might have to go to the Great
> America sort of area or maybe BDSJ.
>
> Chester
>
> [1] I actually think Applebee's is just fine, for what it is.
[0] I actually thinks Applebee's sucks big time. Unless it has improved
in the past decade. (I haven't dared try one since then, but I defend my
right to be dogmatic about it.).
Chester
> Can you be more specific about the place on Calaveras? I'm intereted
> in such recommendations in that area.
The place is called Anh Hong Saigon. It's in a strip mall on the north
side of Calaveras right around where Calaveras gets goofy and splits
in two before hitting Abel (if heading east from 237/880).
If you do a search, you'll find a lot of stuff on the web. They do the
traditional "7 Courses of Beef" "tasting menu" as well as more general
fare. I've eaten there a couple of times and thought it pretty good.
Gene: It's not a divey joint, but depending on what you're looking
for, it might not be formal enough for a business dinner.
Chester
Chester
I wouldn't argue with you on this point too vehemently. But...
I guess I've just always enjoyed whatever I got at Applebee's. I
remember having a steak, there, a couple years ago and this being the
first time I had been to an Applebee's in years and being all set to
hate it. But...shit, I liked it. Thought it was pricier than I would
want to pay at a national chain with pre-fab ambiance, but the food
was solid. Since then, I've been there once or twice and enjoyed the
food. Even went there, randomly, for a drink earlier this year and,
while it's a cheesy place to have a drink, the bartender was fantastic
and that frozen slushy alcoholic thing I got was darned refreshing.
I especially enjoyed how the staff engaged in an indoor snowball
fight. Our bartender had a big step up on her competition because she
had ready access to a shaved-ice machine. And everyone was very
considerate about bombarding her from angles that did not put us in
their line of fire.
And, out in the parking lot afterward, we even got a free
demonstration of the new audio system that one of the waiters had
installed in his truck. It was dope.
Chester
Karen
> And, out in the parking lot afterward, we even got a free
> demonstration of the new audio system that one of the waiters had
> installed in his truck. It was dope.
Is 'dope' a word like 'bad' where bad is actually good? Or telling
someone to shut up when you really mean tell me more?
I remember my friend's mom used to "dope up the house" for company,
which meant doing a quick cleaning, but when I mentioned it to someone
else that age, they frowned upon such a thing.
What does "it was dope" mean?
tia
Karen
Peter Lawrence
I don't know if this is too far, but I would recommend Birk's Restaurant
for a business dinner. It's located near Great America on Freedom Circle.
http://www.birksrestaurant.com/
- Peter
Geoff Miller
Karen <kso...@yahoo.com> writes:
> I remember my friend's mom used to "dope up the house" for
> company, which meant doing a quick cleaning, but when I
> mentioned it to someone else that age, they frowned upon
> such a thing.
Frowned on what? The idea of a quick, superficial house
cleaning in lieu of a proper one? Or on the idea of an
allusion to illicit drugs as the term for it?
It's interesting how certain terms that originated in the
drug culture have become tame and mainstream over the years.
An excellent example is "it's toast."
I remember when "dope" was stuff that was used on model airplanes.
> What does "it was dope" mean?
It's the edgy, Gen-Y equivalent of the Gen-X "rad," the Boomer
"cool," or the black (excuse me, "urban") "da bomb."
There was a story in the news several years ago wherein two
black guys were stowing their carryons in the overhead bin
after boarding an airplane. One was heard to remark to the
other (apparently about the trip they were taking), "This is
da bomb." They were quickly frog-marched off the airplane
for questioning.
Chester's just flashing his twentysomething credentials, as
he's wont to do from time to time.
Geoff
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"What do you suppose the waiter will do when you tell him his
Chianti tastes as though a platoon of Togolese askari have
used it to wash their pits before straining it back into the
bottle through a freshly skinned civet's rectum?" -- AA Gill
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> "What do you suppose the waiter will do when you tell him his
> Chianti tastes as though a platoon of Togolese askari have
> used it to wash their pits before straining it back into the
> bottle through a freshly skinned civet's rectum?" -- AA Gill
He'll say, "I'll bow to your superior experience."
SMS
> [0] I actually thinks Applebee's sucks big time. Unless it has improved
> in the past decade. (I haven't dared try one since then, but I defend my
> right to be dogmatic about it.).
No, it hasn't improved. I went there about two years ago on the way back
from Tahoe. My sister-in-law ordered some sort of pasta dish and wanted
one ingredient left out. The waitress helpfully informed her that this
wasn't possible because it all came pre-made in a plastic pouch. A lot
of restaurants like Denny's, IHOP, etc, do this sort of thing since you
can't expect them to have a staff that prepares everything on the menu
from scratch.
You're probably safe ordering a hamburger or steak. It'll be from frozen
low-quality commercial beef, but it'll be passable.
Stef
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>Al Eisner wrote:
>
>> [0] I actually thinks Applebee's sucks big time. Unless it has improved
>> in the past decade. (I haven't dared try one since then, but I defend my
>> right to be dogmatic about it.).
>
>No, it hasn't improved. I went there about two years ago
I was there a month or two ago. It didn't suck "big time," but it wasn't
very good either.
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evergene
Thanks for the recommendation. Birk's would not be too far, and I'd
love to tell visitors from foreign lands to meet me at "Freedom
Circle" near "Great America" -- it just sounds so awesome!
However, last night I made reservations at Parcel 104,
http://www.parcel104.com/index.html and reviewed here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/19/FDE8TUUEV.DTL&type=food
Parcel 104 is on Misson College Boulevard, but I may tell my guests
it's on Mission Accomplished Boulevard, near Great America -- just to
stay in the spirit!
Geoff Miller
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> writes:
> No, it hasn't improved.
Oh, come on. There's nothing wrong with Applebee's. Like
T.G.I. Friday's, it isn't _haute cuisine_, but it's decent
food served in a comfortable environment for a fair price.
You foodies need to calibrate your lofty expectations for
those occasional excursions into the real world. If your
noses were any higher, you'd make grooves in the goddam
ceiling.
> My sister-in-law ordered some sort of pasta dish and wanted one
> ingredient left out.
Why are women so damned finicky about restaurant food? Always
questions and special demands. I don't know whether it's nature
or nurture: the result of hundreds of years of chivalry and
cultural deference, or merely the way their minds work.
I see the same mindset at work in the context of shopping. Women
will spend endless time carefully reading the fine print on the
labels of food, toiletries, cleaning products, etc. A guy will
grab something off the shelf, toss it into his cart, and move on
down the line. We don't have time for that. We have a world to
run.
> You're probably safe ordering a hamburger or steak. It'll be
> from frozen low-quality commercial beef, but it'll be passable.
It'll edible, nutritious, and cost-effective. I find places like
that to be just the ticket when I'm traveling, since I know what
to expect and how long it'll take me to have a meal.
Geoff
--
evergene
Thanks to all for the great recommendations. I got hungry just reading
some of them. Makes me realize how derelict I've been not to explore
the area.
I made reservations at Parcel 104, which has a good location for us
and sounds like it'll meet our needs.
Geoff Miller
Stef <st...@panix.com> writes:
> I was there a month or two ago. It didn't suck "big time,"
> but it wasn't very good either.
I'll often order their Oriental Chicken Wrap, just because
it has the word "Oriental" in the name.
SMS
> However, last night I made reservations at Parcel 104,
> http://www.parcel104.com/index.html and reviewed here:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/19/FDE8TUUEV.DTL&type=food
>
> Parcel 104 is on Misson College Boulevard, but I may tell my guests
> it's on Mission Accomplished Boulevard, near Great America -- just to
> stay in the spirit!
I used to work on Freedom Circle, and ate at both Birk's and Parcel 104
several times, but Birk's far more often. Birk's is far, far better than
Parcel 104. I'd never eat at Parcel 104 if it wasn't a company paid
meal. The atmosphere is poor, and the portions are tiny, but the food is
passable. I'd cancel the Parcel 104 reservations and change to Birk's.
Plus Birk's is a real Silicon Valley icon. We used to call it building B
when I worked across from it. Plus you can regale your guests with the
sad story of what happened to Birk McCandless. Just watch out for the
Birk's waiters and waitresses, who are well-trained salespeople, always
trying to push more menu items on you.
Al Eisner
> In article <E_88k.12744$mh5....@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Al Eisner wrote:
>>
>>> [0] I actually thinks Applebee's sucks big time. Unless it has improved
>>> in the past decade. (I haven't dared try one since then, but I defend my
>>> right to be dogmatic about it.).
>>
>> No, it hasn't improved. I went there about two years ago
>
> I was there a month or two ago. It didn't suck "big time," but it wasn't
> very good either.
Oh, it's not the worst place I've ever eaten (although some of it seemed
pretty bad). I think of it as Denny's with pretensions -- one goes in
expecting something better than Denny's, but it doesn't deliver. (With
the same caveat as in the comment of mine you quoted above, of course.)
Al Eisner
> SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> writes:
>
>> No, it hasn't improved.
>
> Oh, come on. There's nothing wrong with Applebee's. Like
> T.G.I. Friday's, it isn't _haute cuisine_, but it's decent
> food served in a comfortable environment for a fair price.
>
> You foodies need to calibrate your lofty expectations for
> those occasional excursions into the real world. If your
> noses were any higher, you'd make grooves in the goddam
> ceiling.
Get a grip -- there are plenty of both good and bad restaurants in
what you call the "real world". I would always choose KFC or Popeye's
over Applebee's. (Are those too hoity-toity for you?). And
if forced to it, I'd probably even pick McDonald's over it.
evergene
All righty. With you and Peter both recommending the same place, I
have to do this. Birk's it is.
Peter Lawrence
> Al Eisner wrote:
>>
>> [0] I actually thinks Applebee's sucks big time. Unless it has improved
>> in the past decade. (I haven't dared try one since then, but I defend my
>> right to be dogmatic about it.).
>
> No, it hasn't improved. I went there about two years ago on the way back
> from Tahoe. My sister-in-law ordered some sort of pasta dish and wanted
> one ingredient left out. The waitress helpfully informed her that this
> wasn't possible because it all came pre-made in a plastic pouch. A lot
> of restaurants like Denny's, IHOP, etc, do this sort of thing since you
> can't expect them to have a staff that prepares everything on the menu
> from scratch.
But it's all in the execution of the preparation of the food. BJ's
Restaurant/Brewhouse does the same thing (pre-assembled entrées) yet
their pasta dishes are still pretty good (not great, but better than
some "Italian" restaurants the make pasta from scratch). So I wouldn't
readily dismiss a restaurant, especially a chain restaurant, just
because they use pre-assembled entrées. If done right, it can still
taste good.
BTW, one of the best tasting jambalayas I've ever had was the 'New
Orleans Jambalaya' that I had at BJ's this past May. It wasn't just
good, it was excellent. Highly Recommended.
OTOH, I find the food at T.G.I. Friday's and Applebee's to be just o.k..
I don't find them to be terrible as some people do, but nothing great
either. They do (along with Chili's) provide a "safe harbor" though
when traveling through unknown areas. I've eaten at these establishments
often enough throughout the years that I know pretty much what they can
do well, and they can't.
- Peter
Todd Michel McComb
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>I would always choose KFC or Popeye's over Applebee's. (Are those
>too hoity-toity for you?). And if forced to it, I'd probably even
>pick McDonald's over it.
I concur (although the only thing I'll eat at McDonald's is the fries).
We occasionally have something of this sort as a snack while on the
road. (I wouldn't call it a meal.)
When we get wherever we're going, there is sure to be somewhere to
eat that isn't a chain. Even if I don't expect it to be particularly
good, there's at least the prospect that something about the
experience will be interesting -- and that prospect usually turns
out to be true. And let me add this: Applebee's is *not* cheaper
than the average local sitdown place in East Bumfuck.
Al Eisner
> than the average local sitdown place in East Bumfuck.
Never been there. Can you recommend a restaurant? (But perhaps you don't
want to say what the cuisine is....)
rone
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> than the average local sitdown place in East Bumfuck.
>Never been there. Can you recommend a restaurant? (But perhaps you don't
>want to say what the cuisine is....)
Or how authentic it is.
rone
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Steve Fenwick
That's the fundamental problem--mediocre food at real sit-down prices.
Lots of other restaurants have this fault, particularly on Castro
(Mountain View).
I can get equivalent food for less at any number of places. Why
encourage mediocre places like Applebee's/Denny's?
I'll take small chains over big chains, all other factors being equal.
Steve Fenwick
wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOC.4.64.08...@flora02.slac.stanford.edu>,
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> >> than the average local sitdown place in East Bumfuck.
> >Never been there. Can you recommend a restaurant? (But perhaps you don't
> >want to say what the cuisine is....)
>
> Or how authentic it is.
>
> rone
But you still can't get a decent bagel or pizza there.
spamtr...@gmail.com
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Todd Michel McComb wrote:
> > than the average local sitdown place in East Bumfuck.
>
> Never been there. Can you recommend a restaurant? (But perhaps you don't
> want to say what the cuisine is....)
Steakhouse featuring coulotte and butt cuts.
Geoff Miller
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> writes:
> Get a grip -- there are plenty of both good and bad
> restaurants in what you call the "real world".
Sure there are. And Applebee's isn't one of the bad ones.
Given the range of their menu, I'm sure even *you* could
find something acceptable if you were dragged in kicking
and screaming. Of course, you'd have to pause to remove
the stick from your ass before sliding into a booth...
> I would always choose KFC or Popeye's over Applebee's.
> (Are those too hoity-toity for you?).
It doesn't follow, Sammy Supercilious, that because I
called you on being too snobbish to countenance eating
at Applebee's, I must not be able to appreciate anything
more posh than fast food. You can't get there from here,
as the crusty old New Englanders like to say.
> And if forced to it, I'd probably even pick McDonald's
> over it.
Comparing a sit-down, full-service restaurant like Applebee's
unfavorably to a fast-food burger joint is just the sort of
relentlessly hyperbolic, over-the-top gruntfudge that under-
mines the credibility of food snobs such as yourself.
Geoff Miller
evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> writes:
> All righty. With you and Peter both recommending the same
> place, I have to do this. Birk's it is.
They have a good bar, albeit with inadequate seating.
I recommend their martinis, if that's your style.
The Ranger
news:88WdnRyyV8E4K_zV...@posted.lavanet...
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> writes:
>> Get a grip -- there are plenty of both good and bad
>> restaurants in what you call the "real world".
>
> Sure there are. And Applebee's isn't one of the bad ones.
Eat at the one on Saratoga Avenue off 280; you'll revise your
opinion after just a single meal.
The Ranger
Al Eisner
> Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> writes:
>
>> Get a grip -- there are plenty of both good and bad
>> restaurants in what you call the "real world".
>
> Sure there are. And Applebee's isn't one of the bad ones.
>
> Given the range of their menu, I'm sure even *you* could
> find something acceptable if you were dragged in kicking
> and screaming. Of course, you'd have to pause to remove
> the stick from your ass before sliding into a booth...
>
>> I would always choose KFC or Popeye's over Applebee's.
>> (Are those too hoity-toity for you?).
>
> It doesn't follow, Sammy Supercilious, that because I
> called you on being too snobbish to countenance eating
> at Applebee's, I must not be able to appreciate anything
> more posh than fast food. You can't get there from here,
> as the crusty old New Englanders like to say.
So, anyone who dislikes a restaurant which you like must be snobbish
or supercilious. And your implication that KFC and Popeye's are posh
(your reaction came in response to my citation of only those places) is
simply ludicrous. Given the range of reactions here to Applebee's you
must be feeling very oppressed by the "elite" majority. But taste is
taste. I haven't called you a troglodyte for liking Applebee's.
As I said, get a grip.
Chester
> Is 'dope' a word like 'bad' where bad is actually good? Or telling
> someone to shut up when you really mean tell me more?
Geoff has more or less answered your question, but I'm going to
include a succinct pocket guide for your future reference:
Dope = Sweet = Kick-Ass = The Bomb = Hot = Rad = Rocks = Bad = Good
Hope that helps,
Chester
Geoff Miller
Al Eisner <eis...@slac.stanford.edu> writes:
: It doesn't follow, Sammy Supercilious, that because I
: called you on being too snobbish to countenance eating
: at Applebee's, I must not be able to appreciate anything
: more posh than fast food. You can't get there from here,
: as the crusty old New Englanders like to say.
> So, anyone who dislikes a restaurant which you like must be
> snobbish or supercilious.
No. *You personally* are snobbish and supercilious. Snobbish
for sneering at Applebee's, and supercilious for your reaction
to being called on it.
How did the frame of reference get from "Applebee's" to "any
restaurant that Geoff likes," anyway?
There's no point in arguing about this if you can't even stay
on topic, or even demonstrate a grasp of basic reasoning skills.
Besides, the point wasn't that I like Applebee's. It was that
the derision that you heap on it is undeserved and unrealistic.
> And your implication that KFC and Popeye's are posh (your
> reaction came in response to my citation of only those places)
> is simply ludicrous.
Good thing that isn't what I said, then, huh?
I didn't say that KFC and Popeye's are posh. I implied that
other types of restaurant are *more* posh than fast food --
an implication with which I'm confident you'd agree. Here; my
exact words are quoted below, for your groveling convenience:
: It doesn't follow, Sammy Supercilious, that because I
: called you on being too snobbish to countenance eating
: at Applebee's, I must not be able to appreciate anything
: more posh than fast food. You can't get there from here,
: as the crusty old New Englanders like to say.
There's no point in arguing about this if you can't even demon-
strate a modicum of reading comprehension.
> Given the range of reactions here to Applebee's you must be
> feeling very oppressed by the "elite" majority.
And you ought to be prosecuted for practicing psychology without
a license, Sigmund Fraud.
I hardly believe that any "majority" in ba.food, "elite" or
otherwise, is representative of the population at large or
its tastes. Obviously, a great many people out there like
Applebee's just fine, or the chain wouldn't be as successful
as it is. Think of the situation as analogous to Nixon's
"silent majority."
> But taste is taste. I haven't called you a troglodyte for
> liking Applebee's.
But I called you a snob for *not* liking Applebee's. And I
stand by that. Let me revise that: an *insufferable elitist*
snob.
> As I said, get a grip.
Back atcha. I've noted over the years that you're quite easily
agitated by my simply disagreeing with you. You come across as
rather insecure. Poor little guy...
Steve Fenwick
geo...@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:
> But I called you a snob for *not* liking Applebee's. And I
> stand by that. Let me revise that: an *insufferable elitist*
> snob.
It's really sad that you need to denigrate others to give yourself a
feeling of superiority and self-confidence. I rarely see you make
positive comments about others opinions on this group, except to support
the negative comments of others. You seem to be a sad, bitter person.
Michael Sierchio
> In article <etmdnQyDQ7acDv7V...@posted.lavanet>,
> geo...@lava.net (Geoff Miller) wrote:
>
>> But I called you a snob for *not* liking Applebee's. And I
>> stand by that. Let me revise that: an *insufferable elitist*
>> snob.
>
> It's really sad that you need to denigrate others to give yourself a
> feeling of superiority and self-confidence.
In the case of some people, low self-esteem is the product of
accurate self-knowledge. Are you such a snob that you don't
think macaroni and cheese is a vegetable?
Steve Fenwick
Michael Sierchio <kudzu-...@tenebras.com> wrote:
I'm curious as to how macaroni and cheese is a vegetable. Wheat in the
macaroni? It's a side dish, but I think it's more of a starch than a
vegetable.
rone
Geoff Miller <geo...@lava.net> wrote:
>But I called you a snob for *not* liking Applebee's. And I
>stand by that. Let me revise that: an *insufferable elitist*
>snob.
As opposed to, what, the kindly populist snob?
Geoff Miller
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> sniffs:
> It's really sad that you need to denigrate others to give
> yourself a feeling of superiority and self-confidence.
Dang; I should've saved that Sigmund Fraud wisecrack for you.
Oh well, it's a stock line. I'd used it before, and I'll use
it again.
> I rarely see you make positive comments about others opinions
> on this group, except to support the negative comments of others.
Excuse me? This whole exchange is the result of my defending
Applebee's against someone who sneered at it undeservedly. I
definitely took the positive, life-affirming, rainbows-n-unicorns
position this time around. The fact that you interpret this as
negativity only serves to throw your bias into sharp relief. It
throws back the bedclothes of your sanctimony and exposes the
heaving bosom of your prejudice.
> You seem to be a sad, bitter person.
Well, the story behind that perception is simple, Steve: it's that
you have your head up your ass.
SMS
Applebee's is probably the worst non-fast-food chain restaurant in the
U.S., based on the food and the prices they charge for that garbage.
You're better off at In 'N Out. Once at Applebee's was enough for me.
The sooner they go out of business the better. I'll go to a
hole-in-the-wall local Chinese place and take may chances.
Jed
wrote:
>Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> sniffs:
>
>> It's really sad that you need to denigrate others to give
>> yourself a feeling of superiority and self-confidence.
>
>Dang; I should've saved that Sigmund Fraud wisecrack for you.
>Oh well, it's a stock line. I'd used it before, and I'll use
>it again.
>
>
>> I rarely see you make positive comments about others opinions
>> on this group, except to support the negative comments of others.
>
>Excuse me? This whole exchange is the result of my defending
>Applebee's against someone who sneered at it undeservedly. I
>definitely took the positive, life-affirming, rainbows-n-unicorns
>position this time around. The fact that you interpret this as
>negativity only serves to throw your bias into sharp relief. It
>throws back the bedclothes of your sanctimony and exposes the
>heaving bosom of your prejudice.
What's the point of having an opinion, whether about food, politics,
or the benefits of being child-free if you can't be rock-headedly
obstinate in your defense of it, even in the face of opposing opinion?
What's the Devil's Dictionary definition of "opinionated"? Being wrong
at the top of your lungs?
Dennis
new - nothing. The same two ass wipes are still posting crap unrelated
to anything other than their own egos.
Dennis
The Ranger
news:ZNydnRz52JwsofnV...@comcast.com...
> Havent been reading this group in a while. Come back
It's nice to see you're still an illiterate fuckwit.
ObTopic: Piatti Ristorante
http://www.piatti.com
The Ranger
Michael Sierchio
> I'm curious as to how macaroni and cheese is a vegetable. Wheat in the
> macaroni? It's a side dish, but I think it's more of a starch than a
> vegetable.
At Applebee's, it is. Did I forget the metatags to denote irony?
- M
Dennis
Geoff Miller
Jed <zyzygy@plenipôtentiary.com.invalid> writes:
> What's the point of having an opinion, whether about food,
> politics, or the benefits of being child-free if you can't
> be rock-headedly obstinate in your defense of it, even in
> the face of opposing opinion?
Fuckin' A.
The fundamental problem, Jed, is that we have the misfortune
to be of a generation that's been "crippled by a culture that
sees assertion as aggression, a culture that leads us to believe
that having a strong opinion is inconsiderate and disrespectful
as well as uncool. Our timidity is a well-meant hybrid of multi-
cultural tolerance and a _fin de siecle_ skepticism that has
become a caricature of itself, powerless and pathetic."
(That's from a letter to the editor of _Harper's_ magazine from
several years ago, back before it became so stridently leftist.)
> What's the Devil's Dictionary definition of "opinionated"?
> Being wrong at the top of your lungs?
If it isn't, it should be.
Anyone with half a brain has a mental list of people from history
he'd like to have known. Ambrose Bierce is near the top of mine.
evergene
>In the case of some people, low self-esteem is the product of
>accurate self-knowledge. Are you such a snob that you don't
>think macaroni and cheese is a vegetable?
I bet you use imported macaroni and Cowgirl Creamery cheese in your
mac 'n cheese, don't you, Sammy Stringtheory. I may just shoot your
Sulka tie right off your chest with my Holland & Holland Sporting
Deluxe 12-Bore Over & Under.
evergene
>All righty. With you and Peter both recommending the same place, I
>have to do this. Birk's it is.
And Birk's it was. The waiter's attempt at upselling us was hampered
by the general din combined with his strong accent. I polled the
table, and nobody understood more than 50% of what he said. But I give
him credit for persistence: while I was looking at the wine list he
asked if I'd like some suggestions, and I said "no," and without
missing a beat he began pointing to listings and describing their
virtues. Next time I'm there I'm going to shoot his tie off with a
Super Soaker.
Everyone ordered a steak of some kind, and everyone seemed to enjoy
their steak. Each steak came with creamed spinach and mashed potatoes.
These side dishes were very much like the waiter: perfunctory, going
through the motions of being a waiter, or of being a vegetable, but
drab and tired. Which is fine if you're dining at some working-class
dump like Applebee's, but when you're paying $35 or $40 for your
entree, perfunctory is like a dull steak knife. It just doesn't cut
it.
n.b. My spellchecker suggests "plebe's" instead of "Applebee's." I
couldn't have planned that better if I had planned it.
SMS
> evergene wrote:
>> All righty. With you and Peter both recommending the same place, I
>> have to do this. Birk's it is.
>
> And Birk's it was. The waiter's attempt at upselling us was hampered
> by the general din combined with his strong accent. I polled the
> table, and nobody understood more than 50% of what he said. But I give
> him credit for persistence: while I was looking at the wine list he
> asked if I'd like some suggestions, and I said "no," and without
> missing a beat he began pointing to listings and describing their
> virtues. Next time I'm there I'm going to shoot his tie off with a
> Super Soaker.
>
> Everyone ordered a steak of some kind, and everyone seemed to enjoy
> their steak. Each steak came with creamed spinach and mashed potatoes.
> These side dishes were very much like the waiter: perfunctory, going
> through the motions of being a waiter, or of being a vegetable, but
> drab and tired. Which is fine if you're dining at some working-class
> dump like Applebee's, but when you're paying $35 or $40 for your
> entree, perfunctory is like a dull steak knife. It just doesn't cut
> it.
I usually get the steak Caesar salad at Birk's. It's more than enough
steak, and the rest of the salad is good, and combined with the free
bread it's more than enough. And of course Guinness on-tap.
The upselling can be annoying, but you learn to ignore it. Yuck, I hate
creamed spinach, was that the only vegetable they had?
Steve Fenwick
Michael Sierchio <kudzu-...@tenebras.com> wrote:
Somehow, I don't think that would meet any reasonable standard of
"vegetable". "Side dish", yes, "starch", yes, but "veg", no.
I'm not surprised. Personally, I don't count French Fries as vegetables,
even though potatoes are; "veg" implies a vegetable with color, like
carrots, peas, beans, or brussels sprouts. Cauliflower and potatoes are
a near miss.
Dan Abel
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I'm not surprised. Personally, I don't count French Fries as vegetables,
> even though potatoes are; "veg" implies a vegetable with color, like
> carrots, peas, beans, or brussels sprouts. Cauliflower and potatoes are
> a near miss.
Potatoes get a bad rap. They are surprisingly high in vitamin C, fiber
and protein.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Julian Macassey
Using fresh macaroni and Neal's Yard Double Gloucester I will
shoot your Liberty's tie off your shrunken chest with one of my
Purdey's.
--
Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every
night -- why should I reboot at that time? - Bill Gates, Jan 15 2003
Julian Macassey
>
> Somehow, I don't think that would meet any reasonable standard of
> "vegetable". "Side dish", yes, "starch", yes, but "veg", no.
>
> I'm not surprised. Personally, I don't count French Fries as vegetables,
> even though potatoes are; "veg" implies a vegetable with color, like
> carrots, peas, beans, or brussels sprouts. Cauliflower and potatoes are
> a near miss.
of some kind, potatoes in one form or another and some other
vegetable.
Michael Sierchio
> I bet you use imported macaroni and Cowgirl Creamery cheese in your
> mac 'n cheese, don't you, Sammy Stringtheory. I may just shoot your
> Sulka tie right off your chest with my Holland & Holland Sporting
> Deluxe 12-Bore Over & Under.
Please don't forget the black truffles in the mac-n-cheese.
Cowgirl Creamery? They're trying hard, really they are,
but the only selling point to what they do is they're local
Lebanese girls. The cheese doesn't compare favorably in
quality or price with most of what I can buy at the Cheese
Board.
Shotguns? I have 20 rounds of Sauvestre 3" Magnum 12ga
Balle Fleche (http://www.sauvestre.com/) -- just in case
a Cape Buffalo or rogue African elephant is on the loose.
My ex recently made me retrieve stuff from what once was my
basement, and I found those, along with a Mossberg M590A1 --
the latter in many pieces. After struggling to assemble the
beast (I hadn't seen it in a few years), I finally got it
back together, only to discover one very small piece missing --
the screw that holds the shell ejector in place. A phone call
to the company and they've sent the part, gratis. Isn't that
nice?
Steve Fenwick
geo...@lava.net (Geoff Miller) flusters:
> Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> sniffs:
>
> > I rarely see you make positive comments about others opinions
> > on this group, except to support the negative comments of others.
>
> Excuse me? This whole exchange is the result of my defending
> Applebee's against someone who sneered at it undeservedly. I
> definitely took the positive, life-affirming, rainbows-n-unicorns
> position this time around. The fact that you interpret this as
> negativity only serves to throw your bias into sharp relief. It
> throws back the bedclothes of your sanctimony and exposes the
> heaving bosom of your prejudice.
Heaving bosom--shocking! No wonder UseNET is being attacked by the
politicos. Think of the children!
My point remains--your usual response is the ad-hominem attack, usually
out of left field. And when someone does it to you, you cry foul.
> > You seem to be a sad, bitter person.
>
> Well, the story behind that perception is simple, Steve: it's that
> you have your head up your ass.
Well, there you go again.
Steve Fenwick
Dennis <nw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And still a top-posting f*ckwit.
BTW, Dennis, what have you contributed lately? Aside from gracing us
with the quoted useless post?
Geoff Miller
evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> writes:
[sides: mashed p'taytas and creamed spinach]
> Which is fine if you're dining at some working-class dump
> like Applebee's,
Such rampant classism from a Bay Area liberal. The horror!
> but when you're paying $35 or $40 for your entree, perfunctory
> is like a dull steak knife. It just doesn't cut it.
It was mitigated considerably in my case by the fact that my
company picked up the tab.
Geoff Miller
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> writes:
[to Dennis]
> BTW, Dennis, what have you contributed lately?
> Aside from gracing us with the quoted useless post?
I suspect the only thing Dennis contributes to is his
local artificial insemination clinic.
evergene
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:09:45 -0700, evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> wrote:
>> Michael Sierchio wrote:
>>
>>>In the case of some people, low self-esteem is the product of
>>>accurate self-knowledge. Are you such a snob that you don't
>>>think macaroni and cheese is a vegetable?
>>
>> I bet you use imported macaroni and Cowgirl Creamery cheese in your
>> mac 'n cheese, don't you, Sammy Stringtheory. I may just shoot your
>> Sulka tie right off your chest with my Holland & Holland Sporting
>> Deluxe 12-Bore Over & Under.
>
> Using fresh macaroni and Neal's Yard Double Gloucester I will
>shoot your Liberty's tie off your shrunken chest with one of my
>Purdey's.
Given that you're one of the few people in this or any other newsgroup
who might understand a reference to "Sulka Silkies," I have to respect
your action plan. You may run into some challenges during the
execution phase, but Double Gloucester's an excellent choice.
evergene
>evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> writes:
>
>[sides: mashed p'taytas and creamed spinach]
>
>> Which is fine if you're dining at some working-class dump
>> like Applebee's,
>
>Such rampant classism from a Bay Area liberal. The horror!
And there's more where that came from. The irony here is that like
you, I resent the combo of price and preciousness common in many local
expensive restaurants. I'll put up with it once in a while if the food
and service are worth the cost. But I'd rather get an apple and a hunk
of cheese for lunch than scarf down an assembly-line meal, regardless
of the price.
>> but when you're paying $35 or $40 for your entree, perfunctory
>> is like a dull steak knife. It just doesn't cut it.
>
>It was mitigated considerably in my case by the fact that my
>company picked up the tab.
My dinner at Birk's was a company expense, and I don't see how that
mitigates anything. In fact, in the interest of shareholder value, I
believe it's more important than ever to demand a high ROI for the
meals I expense.
Steve Pope
>In the English vernacular, "Meat and two veg", means meat
>of some kind, potatoes in one form or another and some other
>vegetable.
I disagree that "veg" includes potatoes in England. Potatoes
are there by default, and "veg" means any vegetable in addition.
"Meat plus three" and similar phrases are from the southern U.S.,
and in THAT context potatoes are one of the possible sides
amout the "three".
Steve
Todd Michel McComb
>the derision that you heap on it is undeserved and unrealistic.
What would make for a realistic way to prefer other dining options?
Because I'm pretty sure that, realistically (which is to say, by
my actions), I do.
evergene
>Please don't forget the black truffles in the mac-n-cheese.
My bad.
>Cowgirl Creamery? They're trying hard, really they are,
>but the only selling point to what they do is they're local
>Lebanese girls. The cheese doesn't compare favorably in
>quality or price with most of what I can buy at the Cheese
>Board.
I don't have access to the Cheese Board. The best selection I've found
in San Francisco is at Rainbow Grocery. For example, a while back I
decided I needed a Comté to eat with a bottle of weirdo oxidized wine
from Jura. I didn't actually know what a Comté was -- I had read
somewhere that it was the thing to eat with this wine -- and Rainbow
had two or three kinds to choose from. Rainbow, you'll recall, is the
store where each department is run as a politically autonomous region.
>Shotguns? I have 20 rounds of Sauvestre 3" Magnum 12ga
>Balle Fleche (http://www.sauvestre.com/) -- just in case
>a Cape Buffalo or rogue African elephant is on the loose.
Also effective with Honda Fits and smart fortwos
(http://www.smartusa.com/).
>My ex recently made me retrieve stuff from what once was my
>basement, and I found those, along with a Mossberg M590A1 --
>the latter in many pieces. After struggling to assemble the
>beast (I hadn't seen it in a few years), I finally got it
>back together, only to discover one very small piece missing --
>the screw that holds the shell ejector in place. A phone call
>to the company and they've sent the part, gratis. Isn't that
>nice?
Wow. A friend of mine recently selected a Mossberg 500 over a
Remington 870, based on the reasonable cost plus the extra barrel
Mossber includes in the package. It's nice to know that their customer
service is so good.
Steve Pope
>For example, a while back I
>decided I needed a Comté to eat with a bottle of weirdo oxidized wine
>from Jura.
That wasn't wine, that was scotch. That's why it was brown.
Oh wait, there's a Jura in France too.
S.
evergene
>evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> wrote:
>
>>For example, a while back I
>>decided I needed a Comté to eat with a bottle of weirdo oxidized wine
>>from Jura.
>
>That wasn't wine, that was scotch. That's why it was brown.
You made me laugh out loud.
>Oh wait, there's a Jura in France too.
Dennis
endless crap that flows through this cesspool. Right now I'm just
slumming for a week to see if this group has gotten back to reality.
Dennis
up the local IQ (so sadly lowered by your existence) by adding my
offspring.
Geoff Miller
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> writes:
> My point remains--your usual response is the ad-hominem
> attack, usually out of left field.
With me, that would be *right* field.
> And when someone does it to you, you cry foul.
That's because when I do it, it's justified, and when
others do it to me, it seldom is. This very thread is
an excellent example: SMS *was* being snobbish. And
that means that unlike my criticism of him for that,
your crying foul to me *isn't* justified.
Your position is that I criticize people -- or as you
put it, engage in <ghasp!> "ad hominem attacks."
And yet here you are, doing precisely the same thing you
accuse me of doing: criticizing someone -- making an ad
hominem attack. But for some reason, it's *okay* when
you're the one doing it. Would you be so kind as to
explain that discrepancy to me?
You, sir, are a hypocrite. If you weren't, you'd have
just let the matter slide without saying anything, and
been content just to lead by example.
Here's a point to ponder: Why *shouldn't* one make ad
hominem attacks? Why should that be off-limits? Is it
simply that you're a very sensitive soul who finds them
unpleasant to read? If so, why should your petty stylistic
preferences govern the style of what's posted here, espec-
ially considering the existence of killfiles? Man up.
>> You seem to be a sad, bitter person.
: Well, the story behind that perception is simple, Steve:
: it's that you have your head up your ass.
> Well, there you go again.
Likewise. How come you get to make unflattering observations
about me, but I don't get to return fire and do the same about
you in response? What the hell kind of deal is that?
ObFood: goose and gander, with sauce.
Geoff Miller
evergene <eneg...@yugswen.moc> writes:
: Such rampant classism from a Bay Area liberal. The horror!
> And there's more where that came from.
No doubt.
> The irony here is that like you, I resent the combo of price
> and preciousness common in many local expensive restaurants.
Eh? I don't remember venturing an opinion on that. Which is
to be expected, since I seldom eat at expensive restaurants.
As I said, the one time I ate at Birk's, I wasn't paying, so
there was no reason for me to get resentful about anything.
Especially after two of their generous martinis, which my
company also paid for.
> My dinner at Birk's was a company expense, and I don't see how
> that mitigates anything. In fact, in the interest of shareholder
> value, I believe it's more important than ever to demand a high
> ROI for the meals I expense.
Nonsense. A certain amount of money is budgeted for that sort
of thing. Value or the perception thereof for how it's spent
is of interest only to the people who are actually scarfing
down the chow.
Todd Michel McComb
Because it really has nothing to do with whether one would enjoy
a meal at Applebee's?
Geoff Miller
Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> writes:
> What would make for a realistic way to prefer other dining
> options? Because I'm pretty sure that, realistically (which
> is to say, by my actions), I do.
Personal preference isn't the issue. SMS expanded on what Al
Eisner said about how "Applebee's sucks big time," saying that
"It hasn't improved." Those aren't statements of personal
preference, but of perceived objective fact.
The same terminology about something objectively "sucking" was
used recently about Minute Maid orange juice, and I presented
essrntially the same counterargument then as I did this time
around. I don't recall that you objected then, so why now?
Geoff Miller
Dennis <nw...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Happens to be the one in your neighborhood. Thought I'd
> eventually bring up the local IQ (so sadly lowered by
> your existence) by adding my offspring.
Too bad you don't swing that way, huh?
Geoff Miller
Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> writes:
: Why *shouldn't* one make ad hominem attacks?
> Because it really has nothing to do with whether one
> would enjoy a meal at Applebee's?
If the post I responded to had been phrased in that way,
as a matter of personal preference, you'd be coorrect.
But it wasn't (see my previous response to you), so you
aren't.
Steve Fenwick
Precisely. It adds nothing to the discussion, other than the same effect
of a small child whining. It's the lowest form of discourse, pure
name-calling.
The problem, dear Geoffy, is that you usually *lead* with an ad hominem
attack. It's your first salvo. If you would occasionally debate on the
merits of the points being made, you would get a lot less directed at
you.
But it seems you want the "Is Too! Is Not!" back-and-forth--you
occasionally demonstrate a Buckley-esque vocabulary, not the intellect
to wield it wisely and effectively.
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@lava.net> wrote:
>The same terminology about something objectively "sucking" was
>used recently about Minute Maid orange juice, and I presented
>essrntially the same counterargument then as I did this time
>around. I don't recall that you objected then, so why now?
I don't know, I guess you seemed less abrasive that time around.
Or maybe I'm just bored.
I'd say that "It hasn't improved" is a perfectly good expression
of personal preference, BTW. The personal part is merely implied,
sure, but it's clear enough. The "whatever sucks" stuff is not my
favorite either, but eh, everyone knows those are personal preferences
too.
Steve Fenwick
spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
In that context ("meat and two veg"), I'm not sure I would regard mac
and cheese as a vegetable. It's a side, but it does not strike me as
having the nutritional content of potatoes or rice (other non-green,
starchy "veg").
What about bread with cheese? Roughly the same as ingredient and
nutrient content as mac and cheese, but I don't think anyone would call
it a "veg".
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@lava.net> wrote:
>If the post I responded to had been phrased in that way, as a
>matter of personal preference, you'd be coorrect. But it wasn't
>(see my previous response to you), so you aren't.
This only makes sense to me -- and only to an extent, in that I
think that responding to insults with insults is natural enough, but
still not a good idea when it comes right down to it -- if you felt
personally insulted by blanket statements about Applebee's sucking.
I think that same line of thought was embedded in the way e.g. Steve
responded to you, BTW....
Todd Michel McComb
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>In that context ("meat and two veg"), I'm not sure I would regard mac
>and cheese as a vegetable.
You're trodding all over a classic joke.
Steve Pope
> spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
>> Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
>> >In the English vernacular, "Meat and two veg", means meat
>> >of some kind, potatoes in one form or another and some other
>> >vegetable.
>> I disagree that "veg" includes potatoes in England. Potatoes
>> are there by default, and "veg" means any vegetable in addition.
>> "Meat plus three" and similar phrases are from the southern U.S.,
>> and in THAT context potatoes are one of the possible sides
>> amout the "three".
>In that context ("meat and two veg"), I'm not sure I would regard mac
>and cheese as a vegetable. It's a side, but it does not strike me as
>having the nutritional content of potatoes or rice (other non-green,
>starchy "veg").
>What about bread with cheese? Roughly the same as ingredient and
>nutrient content as mac and cheese, but I don't think anyone would call
>it a "veg".
Here's the official NHS statement from the UK as to what
constitutes a "veg". Potatoes, yams and cassava do not count.
Vegetables within a pasta sauce (i.e. the tomato in tomato
sauce) count, but the pasta itself doesn't therefore mac and
cheese would not.
http://www.5aday.nhs.uk/whatcounts/WhatCounts.aspx
However some googling suggests that I was wrong in my
disagreement with Julian that "meat and two veg" would
be exclusive of potatoes. Probably this is prior UK usage
before the NHS got involved. I think subsequent to the NHS
campaigns no restaurants continued calling potatoes a "veg".
Separately, the southern phrasing "meat plus three" does not
include the word "veg". The sides could be anything. Some places
I've seen fried chicken as one of the available sides.
Steve
Tim May
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> In that context ("meat and two veg"), I'm not sure I would regard mac
> and cheese as a vegetable. It's a side, but it does not strike me as
> having the nutritional content of potatoes or rice (other non-green,
> starchy "veg").
>
> What about bread with cheese? Roughly the same as ingredient and
> nutrient content as mac and cheese, but I don't think anyone would call
> it a "veg".
Go back to basics, what things _are_.
Both examples you folks are debating here are mixes of _grains_ and
_dairy_.
Are grains vegetables? Sure, in that they are plant products that are
not fruits.
Is cheese a vegetable? Obvously not.
Why the debate?
--Tim May
Julian Macassey
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> My point remains--your usual response is the ad-hominem attack, usually
You have noticed that behaviour too?
You know that makes us both wrong don't you?
--
"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq
to the war on terror." -George W. Bush Sept. 6, 2006
Julian Macassey
> Private blogging seems to be the better venue nowadays.
It is after all, the home of top posting 'tards. People
like yourself.
I'm sure they will welcome you back.
--
Then it told me to reboot my machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every
night -- why should I reboot at that time? - Bill Gates, Jan 15 2003
Steve Fenwick
Tim May <tim...@got.net> wrote:
Oh, it's just a discussion on what is socially regarded as a vegetable
or not. Someone (the management of Applebee's, at the start of this
thread) believes that mac and cheese is a vegetable course. Others
don't, and the difference in why some feel one way and others another is
an interesting discussion. History of food, regional culture, that sort
of thing.
Tim May
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <timcmay-049976...@news.got.net>,
> Tim May <tim...@got.net> wrote:
> > Go back to basics, what things _are_.
> >
> > Both examples you folks are debating here are mixes of _grains_ and
> > _dairy_.
> >
> > Are grains vegetables? Sure, in that they are plant products that are
> > not fruits.
> >
> > Is cheese a vegetable? Obvously not.
> >
> > Why the debate?
> >
> >
> > --Tim May
>
> Oh, it's just a discussion on what is socially regarded as a vegetable
> or not. Someone (the management of Applebee's, at the start of this
> thread) believes that mac and cheese is a vegetable course. Others
> don't, and the difference in why some feel one way and others another is
> an interesting discussion. History of food, regional culture, that sort
> of thing.
I prefer to talk about things as they really _are_, not misapprehensions
by others.
As with people laughing at Reagan when he said ketchup is a vegetable
product.
I laughed, too, as everyone should know it's a fruit product.
--Tim May
Michael Sierchio
> I laughed, too, as everyone should know it [ketchup]'s a fruit product.
Some fruits are vegetables (think gay nursing homes).
- M
Tim May
Michael Sierchio <kudzu-...@tenebras.com> wrote:
Now that was a good one.
Even the queers are probably laughing.
--Tim May
Steve Fenwick
Tim May <tim...@got.net> wrote:
> In article <nospam-CC1969....@news.motzarella.org>,
> Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <timcmay-049976...@news.got.net>,
> > Tim May <tim...@got.net> wrote:
>
> > > Go back to basics, what things _are_.
> > >
> > > Both examples you folks are debating here are mixes of _grains_ and
> > > _dairy_.
> > >
> > > Are grains vegetables? Sure, in that they are plant products that are
> > > not fruits.
> > >
> > > Is cheese a vegetable? Obvously not.
> > >
> > > Why the debate?
> > >
> > >
> > > --Tim May
> >
> > Oh, it's just a discussion on what is socially regarded as a vegetable
> > or not. Someone (the management of Applebee's, at the start of this
> > thread) believes that mac and cheese is a vegetable course. Others
> > don't, and the difference in why some feel one way and others another is
> > an interesting discussion. History of food, regional culture, that sort
> > of thing.
>
> I prefer to talk about things as they really _are_, not misapprehensions
> by others.
The source of these misapprehensions is interesting to some of us.
You're not obliged to partake.
> As with people laughing at Reagan when he said ketchup is a vegetable
> product.
>
> I laughed, too, as everyone should know it's a fruit product.
Curiously, according to NHS in the U.K. as reported by another poster,
pasta sauce is counted as one serving of the recommended five per day of
fruits and vegetables. The Reagan Adminstration's gaffe wasn't that the
President called ketchup a vegetable product, but that the USDA
classified it as a vegetable for school lunch programs as a cost-cutting
move.
Dennis
history when it doesnt go his way. The deleted part of the post history:
>I suspect the only thing Dennis contributes to is his
>local artificial insemination clinic.
Guess he didnt want to risk getting a brain hernia by trying to stay
within his own theme.
Dennis
Just as left is to right, down to up the correct way to post is the most
recent on top. You're a MSDOS person stuck in a graphical interface
world. Adapt or die.
Julian Macassey
> AFter all this time and that is the only chestnut you know how to roast?
> Just as left is to right, down to up the correct way to post is the most
> recent on top. You're a MSDOS person stuck in a graphical interface
> world. Adapt or die.
You have no idea, how ignorant the above statement makes
you.
Furthermore, if you look into it you will see what group
of ignorant losers started top posting and why.
You could spend some time with google and learn
something.
Dennis
You must love movies that start at the end.
If I had to hazard a guess you have an ex-wife, are estranged from you
children and enjoy spicy Pakistani food because it gives you anal pain.
Karen
> I concur (although the only thing I'll eat at McDonald's is the fries).
The new chicken country sandwich (biscuit and pickle) is supposed to
be great!
Karen
Karen
> The same terminology about something objectively "sucking" was
> used recently about Minute Maid orange juice, and I presented
> essrntially the same counterargument then as I did this time
> around. I don't recall that you objected then, so why now?
In addition to MM oj, Corona beer sucked, too, iirc.
Karen
Karen
> Plus Birk's is a real Silicon Valley icon. We used to call it building B
> when I worked across from it. Plus you can regale your guests with the
> sad story of what happened to Birk McCandless. Just watch out for the
> Birk's waiters and waitresses, who are well-trained salespeople, always
> trying to push more menu items on you.
What did happen to Birk McCandless?
Karen
Pete Fraser
news:5389f185-f6ee-4c28...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> The new [McDo's] chicken country sandwich (biscuit and pickle) is
> supposed to be great!
Until two weeks ago it had probably been twenty years since
I ate at McDonald's.
I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon, and normally discard enclosures unread.
The last couple of enclosure caught my eye. They were coupons for a
free Southern Style Crispy Chicken Sandwich and a free Southern Style
Chicken Biscuit.
I went for the sandwich first. It was prepared quickly, served piping hot,
and was quite tasty. The chicken was succulent, and the batter nice
and crispy. I had expected "Southern Style" to be a bit spicy, but not
much there. The chicken was slightly more elastic than I'm used to.
The bun was the ultimate in bland spongy white bread.
The biscuit (served for breakfast) had similar style chicken to the
sandwich.
The biscuit was quite tasty (certainly more so than the bun), very rich
(I suspect lots of fat / oil - but not much butter taste), and oversalted
for my taste.
Neither was terrible, but neither was great either.
Service was perfunctory, but efficient once my order was taken.
I was surprised by the price. For free, it was quite a bargain.
Normal price was $2.99, which struck me as quite high.
$1.99 would have been more reasonable, especially considering
you can get a much bigger, better and tastier sanwich for $2.25
at any Banh Mi place.
Pete
(null)
Pete Fraser <pfr...@covad.net> wrote:
>"Karen" <kso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:5389f185-f6ee-4c28...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> The new [McDo's] chicken country sandwich (biscuit and pickle) is
>> supposed to be great!
>
>Normal price was $2.99, which struck me as quite high.
>$1.99 would have been more reasonable, especially considering
>you can get a much bigger, better and tastier sanwich for $2.25
>at any Banh Mi place.
$2.99 Southern Chicken Sandwich: battered chicken, pickle, bun
$1.00 McChicken Sandwich: breaded chicken, mayonaise, lettuce, bun
I have a hard time resolving that the former is 3x the price of the latter
(the value of either at any price is a separate argument)
Geoff Miller
Steve Fenwick <nos...@nospam.invalid> writes:
: Why *shouldn't* one make ad hominem attacks?
>> Because it really has nothing to do with whether one would enjoy
>> a meal at Applebee's?
> Precisely. It adds nothing to the discussion, other than the same
> effect of a small child whining. It's the lowest form of discourse,
> pure name-calling.
Namecalling involves calling someone a name. If you can't distinguish
between that and criticising someone for something he said, you might
as well hang it up right now and retreat to the sidelines.
> The problem, dear Geoffy, is that you usually *lead* with an ad
> hominem attack. It's your first salvo. If you would occasionally
> debate on the merits of the points being made, you would get a
> lot less directed at you.
Alas, dear Stevie, your perception doesn't square with reality.
The real problem is that you're too goddam sensitive, taking
assertiveness as aggression. You're what's wrong with society
today, in microcosm.
As for "a lot less directed [me]," you're assuming, wrongly,
that that bothers me -- probably because it would bother you.
I love a good scrap, as you may have noticed.
> But it seems you want the "Is Too! Is Not!" back-and-forth
> --you occasionally demonstrate a Buckley-esque vocabulary,
> not the intellect to wield it wisely and effectively.
Who's engaging in an ad hominem attack now?
What's so entertaining about this thread is that no one can
criticize me without engaging in the same thing they accuse
me of. Those who do inevitably tar themselves with hypocrisy.
Geoff
--
"The mere words 'socialism' and "communism' draw towards them
with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-
wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, nature-cure quack, pacifist and
feminist in England." -- George Orwell
Geoff Miller
Todd Michel McComb <mcc...@medieval.org> writes:
: If the post I responded to had been phrased in that way, as a
: matter of personal preference, you'd be coorrect. But it wasn't
: (see my previous response to you), so you aren't.
> This only makes sense to me -- and only to an extent, in that I
> think that responding to insults with insults is natural enough,
> but still not a good idea when it comes right down to it -- if
> you felt personally insulted by blanket statements about Apple-
> bee's sucking.
I didn't feel personally insulted, having to personal stake in
the matter. What I felt was annoyed in principle at yet another
case of ba.food snobbery.
And that's what we really ought to be talking about, not the
writing style I used in the course of remarking on it. That's
just a diversion, a pretext for not confronting the real issue
at hand.
A lot of people here remind me of the way adolescents will sneer
at something not out of its objective lack of merit, but simply
in order to appear sophisticated to their peers.
Todd Michel McComb
Geoff Miller <geo...@lava.net> wrote:
>"The mere words 'socialism' and "communism' draw towards them
> with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-
> wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, nature-cure quack, pacifist and
> feminist in England." -- George Orwell
I'm amused by the inclusion of fruit-juice drinker in this quote.
I may be many of those things (and I certainly can't shake
sandal-wearer, at a minimum), but I'm not that!