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John Slade
May 26, 2012, 3:53:22 PM5/26/12
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I see they've dumped "Coast to Coast AM" from KSFO and
put in "Red Eye Radio". C2C at least had some interesting people
on on occasion. Red Eye Radio is just junk.
John
put in "Red Eye Radio". C2C at least had some interesting people
on on occasion. Red Eye Radio is just junk.
John
David Kaye
May 26, 2012, 5:15:14 PM5/26/12
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"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote
> I see they've dumped "Coast to Coast AM" from KSFO and put in "Red
> Eye Radio". C2C at least had some interesting people on on occasion. Red
> Eye Radio is just junk.
Though I hadn't known of it until the last 3 or 4 weeks of the broadcast
under Doug McIntyre, I loved Red Eye Radio. When Cumulus moved McIntyre
over to KABC and relabeled the Midnight Truckers Network as Red Eye Radio I
blanched. Here was a perfectly good franchise that was being wrecked.
Or maybe not. The problem with McIntyre's Red Eye was that it was too
sophisticated for the audience apparently. I evidence this with the fact
that the original Red Eye had very few advertisers and LOT of PSAs filling
the spot breaks, both nationally and locally. I looked at the format clock
for the show and even though the show had only 5 minutes of network spots to
fill, often they couldn't get more than 1 or 2 per hour sold.
Midnight Truckers Network (which is now called Red Eye Radio) meanwhile had
a boatload of spots on the network, plus also sponsored segments such as the
national weather forecast, etc. Yeah, it's all truck products, but it's
still advertising.
So, it seems logical that Cumulus make the MTN (Red Eye Radio) available on
as many outlets as they can, given that they have a large number of spots at
a time when overnight ad sales are generally suffering everywhere.
I absolutely hate the new Red Eye Radio, but I can't fault Cumulus for
running it.
> I see they've dumped "Coast to Coast AM" from KSFO and put in "Red
> Eye Radio". C2C at least had some interesting people on on occasion. Red
> Eye Radio is just junk.
under Doug McIntyre, I loved Red Eye Radio. When Cumulus moved McIntyre
over to KABC and relabeled the Midnight Truckers Network as Red Eye Radio I
blanched. Here was a perfectly good franchise that was being wrecked.
Or maybe not. The problem with McIntyre's Red Eye was that it was too
sophisticated for the audience apparently. I evidence this with the fact
that the original Red Eye had very few advertisers and LOT of PSAs filling
the spot breaks, both nationally and locally. I looked at the format clock
for the show and even though the show had only 5 minutes of network spots to
fill, often they couldn't get more than 1 or 2 per hour sold.
Midnight Truckers Network (which is now called Red Eye Radio) meanwhile had
a boatload of spots on the network, plus also sponsored segments such as the
national weather forecast, etc. Yeah, it's all truck products, but it's
still advertising.
So, it seems logical that Cumulus make the MTN (Red Eye Radio) available on
as many outlets as they can, given that they have a large number of spots at
a time when overnight ad sales are generally suffering everywhere.
I absolutely hate the new Red Eye Radio, but I can't fault Cumulus for
running it.
Neil
May 26, 2012, 6:31:40 PM5/26/12
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On 5/26/12 2:15 PM, David Kaye wrote:
> Though I hadn't known of it until the last 3 or 4 weeks of the broadcast
> under Doug McIntyre, I loved Red Eye Radio. When Cumulus moved McIntyre
> over to KABC and relabeled the Midnight Truckers Network as Red Eye Radio I
> blanched. Here was a perfectly good franchise that was being wrecked.
>
> Or maybe not. The problem with McIntyre's Red Eye was that it was too
> sophisticated for the audience apparently. I evidence this with the fact
> that the original Red Eye had very few advertisers and LOT of PSAs filling
> the spot breaks, both nationally and locally. I looked at the format clock
> for the show and even though the show had only 5 minutes of network spots to
> fill, often they couldn't get more than 1 or 2 per hour sold.
>
Red Eye Radio was started under the Citadel regime, and initially was a
> Though I hadn't known of it until the last 3 or 4 weeks of the broadcast
> under Doug McIntyre, I loved Red Eye Radio. When Cumulus moved McIntyre
> over to KABC and relabeled the Midnight Truckers Network as Red Eye Radio I
> blanched. Here was a perfectly good franchise that was being wrecked.
>
> Or maybe not. The problem with McIntyre's Red Eye was that it was too
> sophisticated for the audience apparently. I evidence this with the fact
> that the original Red Eye had very few advertisers and LOT of PSAs filling
> the spot breaks, both nationally and locally. I looked at the format clock
> for the show and even though the show had only 5 minutes of network spots to
> fill, often they couldn't get more than 1 or 2 per hour sold.
>
program for New York (WABC) and Los Angeles (KABC). Remember that WABC
has a killer signal that blankets much of the Northeast, Southeast and
Midwest states. After Red Eye got rolling, they expanded the footprint
to other markets, but the initial goal seems to have been for a program
urbane enough to fit in the major metros.
When Cumulus took over, they apparently threw the theory out the window
and decided to sink to the lowest common denominator, regardless of how
inappropriate it was for the markets that McIntyre's Red Eye was
targeted to.
As for spot loads, once it became clear that Cumulus was going to retool
Red Eye to a more rural sensibility, why would advertisers want to jump
aboard a bandwagon that was soon to be replaced? That might explain what
you observed with their unsold inventory.
John Higdon
May 26, 2012, 6:57:27 PM5/26/12
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In article <4fc159cc$0$87561$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
is a corporate cram-down, even though the local puppet management claims
that the reason KGO carries it is because "it is free" to the station.
But then, so is a 1KHz tone or pink noise. By now, someone may have a
copyright claim on pink noise, but that's another issue.
> As for spot loads, once it became clear that Cumulus was going to retool
> Red Eye to a more rural sensibility, why would advertisers want to jump
> aboard a bandwagon that was soon to be replaced? That might explain what
> you observed with their unsold inventory.
Which proves that KGO is no more run locally than KBRG, and in addition,
corporate management is doing a bad job of running it by remote control.
--
John Higdon
+1 415 852-3811
Neil <weis...@sonic.net> wrote:
> When Cumulus took over, they apparently threw the theory out the window
> and decided to sink to the lowest common denominator, regardless of how
> inappropriate it was for the markets that McIntyre's Red Eye was
> targeted to.
Which puts the lie to the claim that KGO remains "locally-run". Red Eye
> When Cumulus took over, they apparently threw the theory out the window
> and decided to sink to the lowest common denominator, regardless of how
> inappropriate it was for the markets that McIntyre's Red Eye was
> targeted to.
is a corporate cram-down, even though the local puppet management claims
that the reason KGO carries it is because "it is free" to the station.
But then, so is a 1KHz tone or pink noise. By now, someone may have a
copyright claim on pink noise, but that's another issue.
> As for spot loads, once it became clear that Cumulus was going to retool
> Red Eye to a more rural sensibility, why would advertisers want to jump
> aboard a bandwagon that was soon to be replaced? That might explain what
> you observed with their unsold inventory.
corporate management is doing a bad job of running it by remote control.
--
John Higdon
+1 415 852-3811
David Kaye
May 26, 2012, 7:28:53 PM5/26/12
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"Neil" <weis...@sonic.net> wrote
> When Cumulus took over, they apparently threw the theory out the window
> and decided to sink to the lowest common denominator [....]
BINGO! Another name for "lowest common denominator" is "mass market".
Radio is a mass market medium. This is why I have never said that Cumulus
would run its stations into the ground. I don't believe they will. I
believe that they will find their mass markets and will do just fine.
I won't be listening to the much, however, because I'm not a mass market
kind of guy. I don't watch pop TV; I don't go to see pop films. I don't
embrace pop music. I don't shop at Walmart, Kmart, Target, or Costco. But
the majority of people do all of these. Cumulus is for them.
> When Cumulus took over, they apparently threw the theory out the window
BINGO! Another name for "lowest common denominator" is "mass market".
Radio is a mass market medium. This is why I have never said that Cumulus
would run its stations into the ground. I don't believe they will. I
believe that they will find their mass markets and will do just fine.
I won't be listening to the much, however, because I'm not a mass market
kind of guy. I don't watch pop TV; I don't go to see pop films. I don't
embrace pop music. I don't shop at Walmart, Kmart, Target, or Costco. But
the majority of people do all of these. Cumulus is for them.
David Kaye
May 26, 2012, 7:32:24 PM5/26/12
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"Neil" <weis...@sonic.net> wrote
> As for spot loads, once it became clear that Cumulus was going to retool
> Red Eye to a more rural sensibility, why would advertisers want to jump
> aboard a bandwagon that was soon to be replaced? That might explain what
> you observed with their unsold inventory.
I have heard earlier airchecks of the show and there was low spotload then,
too. Also, an advertiser would stay on board even if the format for the
show changed tomorrow because what matters is who responds today, not
tomorrow. I don't buy the idea that advertisers jumped ship on the eve of
retooling because I've never seen this to ever be the case. Advertisers
stay on as long as they get results.
You and I don't want to believe there's an audience for the crap that
Midnight Truckers Network aka Red Eye Radio is, but there truly is such an
audience.
> As for spot loads, once it became clear that Cumulus was going to retool
> Red Eye to a more rural sensibility, why would advertisers want to jump
> aboard a bandwagon that was soon to be replaced? That might explain what
> you observed with their unsold inventory.
too. Also, an advertiser would stay on board even if the format for the
show changed tomorrow because what matters is who responds today, not
tomorrow. I don't buy the idea that advertisers jumped ship on the eve of
retooling because I've never seen this to ever be the case. Advertisers
stay on as long as they get results.
You and I don't want to believe there's an audience for the crap that
Midnight Truckers Network aka Red Eye Radio is, but there truly is such an
audience.
chris319
May 27, 2012, 8:49:39 AM5/27/12
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Red Eye Radio came into existence when Doug had a local overnight show
on KABC, several years before Citadel entered the picture.
on KABC, several years before Citadel entered the picture.
leansto...@democrat.com
May 27, 2012, 3:17:08 PM5/27/12
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leansto...@democrat.com
May 27, 2012, 3:24:45 PM5/27/12
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I like Ian P. and George Knapp. I'm kind of neutral on the rest of the C2C hosts. I will say I'm appalled that George Nory has Jerome Coursi on as a frequent guest. Seriously, who wants to be associated with "birthers"?
David Kaye
May 27, 2012, 4:35:28 PM5/27/12
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"chris319" <c319...@aol.com> wrote
> Red Eye Radio came into existence when Doug had a local overnight show
> on KABC, several years before Citadel entered the picture.
Indeed. He also owned the name and apparently was syndicating it himself
originally. They must have made a big deal with him to take over the name.
Maybe he saw the handwriting on the wall and decided to take the KABC
morning shift because Red Eye wasn't doing so well financially.
> Red Eye Radio came into existence when Doug had a local overnight show
> on KABC, several years before Citadel entered the picture.
originally. They must have made a big deal with him to take over the name.
Maybe he saw the handwriting on the wall and decided to take the KABC
morning shift because Red Eye wasn't doing so well financially.
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John Higdon
May 29, 2012, 2:33:28 PM5/29/12
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In article <XnsA062BE9CED2...@94.75.214.90>,
Tom <T...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Not only will Coast to Coast remain available in the Bay Area, for now
> their hours have expanded. Plus, now there's one more reason not to
> listen to a Cumulus station. I deleted KSFO and am Cumulus free.
My radio listening now is Ronn Owens on weekday mornings, with the rest
of the day tuned to 910 (KKSF?). It is mostly honker syndication (Len
and Gil are local), but that's even better than the absolute abortion
KGO calls "news". It is now grating to listen for even a few minutes to
what is probably the worst major market local news cast in existence.
On the weekends, 910 runs infomercials non-stop. Every so often, there
will be an unsold avail, at which time they play a "best of" which can
be entertaining. The shifting sands of KGO's weekend talk schedule is
not a whole lot worse than the old KGO's bench lineup. It is
unpredictable, but entertaining in its own way. "Monty", who usually
gives the simpleton's view of any particular issue, is at least more
entertaining than an infomercial for a quack cure or a financial scam.
> I'm also not interested in Red Eye Radio or anything to do with Cumulus
> after the bloodbath at KGO. IMO, this programming change is good news.
Nature abhors a vacuum, and it is not surprising to see the destruction
of KGO followed by others reaching in to fill the void.
Tom <T...@invalid.com> wrote:
> Not only will Coast to Coast remain available in the Bay Area, for now
> their hours have expanded. Plus, now there's one more reason not to
> listen to a Cumulus station. I deleted KSFO and am Cumulus free.
My radio listening now is Ronn Owens on weekday mornings, with the rest
of the day tuned to 910 (KKSF?). It is mostly honker syndication (Len
and Gil are local), but that's even better than the absolute abortion
KGO calls "news". It is now grating to listen for even a few minutes to
what is probably the worst major market local news cast in existence.
On the weekends, 910 runs infomercials non-stop. Every so often, there
will be an unsold avail, at which time they play a "best of" which can
be entertaining. The shifting sands of KGO's weekend talk schedule is
not a whole lot worse than the old KGO's bench lineup. It is
unpredictable, but entertaining in its own way. "Monty", who usually
gives the simpleton's view of any particular issue, is at least more
entertaining than an infomercial for a quack cure or a financial scam.
> I'm also not interested in Red Eye Radio or anything to do with Cumulus
> after the bloodbath at KGO. IMO, this programming change is good news.
Nature abhors a vacuum, and it is not surprising to see the destruction
of KGO followed by others reaching in to fill the void.
phalanx
May 29, 2012, 8:23:50 PM5/29/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:17:08 -0700 (PDT),
"leansto...@democrat.com" <leansto...@democrat.com> wrote:
I'm doing my share for OSH, too, but it's difficult. I usually try OSH
first, but so many times, I end up having to go to H-D or Lowe's
anyway. If that happens many more times, I'll go straight to a big box
in the first place...
>
> Hey, somebody has to keep OSH alive.
--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to ne...@netfront.net ---
"leansto...@democrat.com" <leansto...@democrat.com> wrote:
I'm doing my share for OSH, too, but it's difficult. I usually try OSH
first, but so many times, I end up having to go to H-D or Lowe's
anyway. If that happens many more times, I'll go straight to a big box
in the first place...
>
> Hey, somebody has to keep OSH alive.
John Slade
May 29, 2012, 10:51:36 PM5/29/12
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at a good sample rate. Other stations usually stream at lower
rates and they sound terrible. But I've found a few stations
that have even better streams than KSFO.
As for the hosts. George Noory is pretty bad but if he has
someone I like on, I can tolerate him. I cannot tolerate John B.
Wells no matter who he has on. Ian Punnet and George Knapp are
the best things to happen to C2C. BTW, Knapp just won another
big award, I think it was a Peabody IIRC.
When Art Bell left the show the quality went way down.
Bell did not buy every conspiracy that came down the pipe, and
outed a few guests as fakers.
The only real skepticism on C2C is from Ian Punnet and George Knapp.
John
leansto...@democrat.com
May 29, 2012, 11:11:30 PM5/29/12
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John B. Wells suffers a bit from Karelism, i.e. the show is too much about him.
George Knapp won an award for the "Las Vegas Underwater" series. I learned quite a bit about the housing fiasco from watching the videos online. I didn't understand how a bank could have no idea who owned the property until I learned about MERS (Mortgage Electronic Registration System). Basically the banks set up their own "recorders" office, except unlike the public sector, the banks (private sector) did a shitty job of recording the transactions. [Take that tea-baggers.]
George Knapp does his shows like a reporter. No too much personal info. Ian basically spills his guts on the radio, but he does it in such a genuine way that it is endearing.
Interesting thing about Las Vegas real estate. The banks are having trouble with foreclosures, so the rate is down, which actually allowed the housing values to stop deteriorating. Of course, this is temporary.
John Slade
May 30, 2012, 12:16:12 AM5/30/12
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On 5/29/2012 1:10 AM, Tom wrote:
>
> C2C is very happy to welcome our new affiliate in San Francisco and the
> Bay Area, KKSF-910 AM, which will begin carrying the show live nightly
> 10p-2am (with repeats until 5am), starting on Wed. May 30th."
rates in their stream.
John
> In news:jprcao$m2i$1...@dont-email.me you wrote:
>
>> I see they've dumped "Coast to Coast AM" from KSFO and put in "Red Eye
>> Radio".
> "New San Francisco Affiliate
>
>> I see they've dumped "Coast to Coast AM" from KSFO and put in "Red Eye
>> Radio".
>
> C2C is very happy to welcome our new affiliate in San Francisco and the
> Bay Area, KKSF-910 AM, which will begin carrying the show live nightly
> 10p-2am (with repeats until 5am), starting on Wed. May 30th."
>
> Not only will Coast to Coast remain available in the Bay Area, for now
> their hours have expanded. Plus, now there's one more reason not to
> listen to a Cumulus station. I deleted KSFO and am Cumulus free.
I found a few stations in Canada that have a better sample
> Not only will Coast to Coast remain available in the Bay Area, for now
> their hours have expanded. Plus, now there's one more reason not to
> listen to a Cumulus station. I deleted KSFO and am Cumulus free.
rates in their stream.
John
poindexter FORTRAN
May 30, 2012, 2:01:08 PM5/30/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
"leansto...@democrat.com" <leansto...@democrat.com> wrote:
> I've been streaming C2C for years, if only to not tune my squeezebox to KSFO. If I'm on the squeeze radio, I listen to KFI. On the squeeze classic, I listen to KXNT.
> [No AAC on the classic.] In the car, C2C is on XM. And not highly compressed XM, but they give it a decent amount of bandwidth.
Does anyone know of a station carrying C2CAM that has a 7 day MP3
"leansto...@democrat.com" <leansto...@democrat.com> wrote:
> I've been streaming C2C for years, if only to not tune my squeezebox to KSFO. If I'm on the squeeze radio, I listen to KFI. On the squeeze classic, I listen to KXNT.
> [No AAC on the classic.] In the car, C2C is on XM. And not highly compressed XM, but they give it a decent amount of bandwidth.
archive like KSFO does? I like being able to listen to the show when I
get up in the morning instead of oh-dark hundred.
It is more fun to listen to at night - one of the times that Art Bell
guest hosted the show from the Phillipines he commented that doing the
show in the middle of the afternoon didn't feel right. :)
>I like Ian P. and George Knapp. I'm kind of neutral on the rest of the C2C hosts. I will say I'm appalled that George Nory has Jerome Coursi on as a frequent guest. Seriously, who wants to be associated with "birthers"?
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leansto...@democrat.com
May 30, 2012, 2:07:36 PM5/30/12
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Many "built in" sound cards don't make archiving streamed audio all that easy, that is they don't have the "what you hear" function. But the cheap Chinese cards still have that feature, so you can record the show yourself.
Neil
May 30, 2012, 2:52:42 PM5/30/12
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KSFO (a better fit, at least), nobody noted an even bigger development.
Cumulus, in moving RedEye over to KSFO, is now airing Bloomberg Radio on
KGO in the overnight hours.
For those who don't know, "Bloomberg Radio" is WBBR/1130 out of New
York. This is the station that used to be the legendary, iconic WNEW,
home to Martin Block, William B. Williams, Gene Klaven, Ted Brown,
Julius LaRosa, and even our own Al "Jazzbeaux" Collins, once upon a
time. This was Frank Sinatra's favorite station. Bloomberg (as in Mayor
Michael Bloomberg) bought it in '92 and has programmed a business news
format on it ever since, one that gets miniscule ratings, though
apparently in high income demos (Wall Streeters, for example).
KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the
New York City traffic, weather, and local spots. (As an ex-pat New
Yorker, it's weird to hear a live read for "Tri-State Motors" at 2:20 AM
from 3,000 miles away.)
I know they're just pulling stuff out of their asses over there at 55
Hawthorne, but this is seriously flaky.
Patty Winter
May 30, 2012, 2:59:43 PM5/30/12
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In article <4fc66c7b$0$78545$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Neil <weis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>In all the discussion about C2C moving to KKSF, and RedEye moving to
>KSFO (a better fit, at least), nobody noted an even bigger development.
>
>Cumulus, in moving RedEye over to KSFO, is now airing Bloomberg Radio on
>KGO in the overnight hours.
Oh, thanks for that clarification, Neil. I saw mention early in this
>
>In all the discussion about C2C moving to KKSF, and RedEye moving to
>KSFO (a better fit, at least), nobody noted an even bigger development.
>
>Cumulus, in moving RedEye over to KSFO, is now airing Bloomberg Radio on
>KGO in the overnight hours.
thread of KSFO running Red Eye Radio and thought the person meant that
was in addition to its airing on KGO.
>KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the
>New York City traffic, weather, and local spots.
Patty
David Kaye
May 30, 2012, 3:42:28 PM5/30/12
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"Neil" <weis...@sonic.net> wrote
> KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the New
> York City traffic, weather, and local spots. (As an ex-pat New Yorker,
> it's weird to hear a live read for "Tri-State Motors" at 2:20 AM from
> 3,000 miles away.)
Gosh, I guess lots of things are going on (I've been away). Okay, I'd much
rather hear Bloomberg, even with NYC weather and traffic than hear either
the Red Eye truckers network or the UFO show. So, at least management is
bringing intelligence back to KGO.
I'm a bit upset to learn that Jon Grayson's show is about to be canned.
(Maybe KCBS can pick it up now that syndicators appear to be bringing
everything in-house.) Grayson's program is a fun listen.
> KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the New
> York City traffic, weather, and local spots. (As an ex-pat New Yorker,
> it's weird to hear a live read for "Tri-State Motors" at 2:20 AM from
> 3,000 miles away.)
rather hear Bloomberg, even with NYC weather and traffic than hear either
the Red Eye truckers network or the UFO show. So, at least management is
bringing intelligence back to KGO.
I'm a bit upset to learn that Jon Grayson's show is about to be canned.
(Maybe KCBS can pick it up now that syndicators appear to be bringing
everything in-house.) Grayson's program is a fun listen.
norml
May 30, 2012, 8:51:16 PM5/30/12
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This reminds me: I noticed several weeks ago that the Bloomberg inserts on
KGO-TV news are out of sync. I wasn't surprised that this would happen one
time, but here were are, weeks later and the problem persists. Isn't
anybody watching?
Norm
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrotf:
KGO-TV news are out of sync. I wasn't surprised that this would happen one
time, but here were are, weeks later and the problem persists. Isn't
anybody watching?
Norm
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrotf:
John Slade
May 30, 2012, 9:55:19 PM5/30/12
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> John B. Wells suffers a bit from Karelism, i.e. the show is
> too much about him.
When ever I hear his voice, it reminds me of a visit to a
> too much about him.
morgue.
>
> George Knapp does his shows like a reporter. No too much
> personal info. Ian basically spills his guts on the radio,
> but he does it in such a genuine way that it is endearing.
doing one show per month. That's why Wells is there.
John
John Higdon
May 31, 2012, 12:46:36 AM5/31/12
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> I know they're just pulling stuff out of their asses over there at 55
> Hawthorne, but this is seriously flaky.
They're in the process of moving to Hee-Haw, but it isn't what you'd
> Hawthorne, but this is seriously flaky.
call "coordinated".
Neil
May 31, 2012, 4:41:49 AM5/31/12
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On 5/30/12 9:46 PM, John Higdon wrote:
> In article<4fc66c7b$0$78545$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> Neil<weis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> I know they're just pulling stuff out of their asses over there at 55
>> Hawthorne, but this is seriously flaky.
>
> They're in the process of moving to Hee-Haw, but it isn't what you'd
> call "coordinated".
>
I presume the pretty corner offices with the views of the skyline and
> In article<4fc66c7b$0$78545$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> Neil<weis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> I know they're just pulling stuff out of their asses over there at 55
>> Hawthorne, but this is seriously flaky.
>
> They're in the process of moving to Hee-Haw, but it isn't what you'd
> call "coordinated".
>
the Bay have remained at Hawthorne.
Neil
May 31, 2012, 4:46:32 AM5/31/12
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On 5/30/12 12:42 PM, David Kaye wrote:
> "Neil"<weis...@sonic.net> wrote
>
>> KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the New
>> York City traffic, weather, and local spots. (As an ex-pat New Yorker,
>> it's weird to hear a live read for "Tri-State Motors" at 2:20 AM from
>> 3,000 miles away.)
>
> Gosh, I guess lots of things are going on (I've been away). Okay, I'd much
> rather hear Bloomberg, even with NYC weather and traffic than hear either
> the Red Eye truckers network or the UFO show. So, at least management is
> bringing intelligence back to KGO.
>
I actually find that aspect of it fun to listen to, but not because it
> "Neil"<weis...@sonic.net> wrote
>
>> KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the New
>> York City traffic, weather, and local spots. (As an ex-pat New Yorker,
>> it's weird to hear a live read for "Tri-State Motors" at 2:20 AM from
>> 3,000 miles away.)
>
> Gosh, I guess lots of things are going on (I've been away). Okay, I'd much
> rather hear Bloomberg, even with NYC weather and traffic than hear either
> the Red Eye truckers network or the UFO show. So, at least management is
> bringing intelligence back to KGO.
>
makes for good, quality San Francisco radio. I hear all the New York
references, and I'm emotionally transported back to my home town. But
again, it's not good *local* radio for listeners out here.
But then it seems TPTB don't care whether something makes for good
radio, just whether it makes for inexpensive radio.
Patty Winter
May 31, 2012, 11:44:08 AM5/31/12
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>Cumulus, in moving RedEye over to KSFO, is now airing Bloomberg Radio on
>KGO in the overnight hours.
>
>For those who don't know, "Bloomberg Radio" is WBBR/1130 out of New
>York.
>
>KGO in the overnight hours.
>
>For those who don't know, "Bloomberg Radio" is WBBR/1130 out of New
>York.
>
>KGO has been airing Bloomberg overnights this week, complete with the
>New York City traffic, weather, and local spots.
Neil, I listened for a few minutes a little after 11:00 p.m. last night
>New York City traffic, weather, and local spots.
and the format and the audio sounded to me like they were airing a TV
news show. Do they pick up the audio from Bloomberg TV overnight?
Patty
Neil
May 31, 2012, 4:49:27 PM5/31/12
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website lists "Bloomberg West" as the 11pm program. This is a Bloomberg
TV Channel program, that originates from San Francisco at 3pm or so.
Lots of Silicon Valley-type news. (It's actually pretty good.) So
regardless of where they're picking up the feed from, it makes sense
that the audio would be an afterthought.
I tuned in KGO last night, a little before 2am. The program that was
just ending sounded like a TV program, but the program that started at
2:00 was definitely a radio program. Two NYC-based anchors, with John
Bascom (formerly an ABC Radio Network TOH newscaster) doing national
news from Washington. A lot of Wall Street news and information, plus
the aforementioned NYC-specific content like traffic and weather and
spots, and when they do time checks they phrase it as "5:15am, Wall
Street Time".
As a New Yorker, I enjoyed listening to it -- I can never hear enough
about tie-ups on the Long Island Expressway (where I cut my teeth
driving) -- but as I wrote in another message, it doesn't make for
compelling *San Francisco* radio.
Neil
May 31, 2012, 4:52:26 PM5/31/12
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They mentioned last night's Kings-Devils NHL Stanley Cup game.
Patty Winter
May 31, 2012, 5:49:56 PM5/31/12
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In article <4fc7d957$0$78520$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Neil <weis...@sonic.net> wrote:
[snip
>On 5/31/12 8:44 AM, Patty Winter wrote:
>>
>> Neil, I listened for a few minutes a little after 11:00 p.m. last night
>> and the format and the audio sounded to me like they were airing a TV
>> news show. Do they pick up the audio from Bloomberg TV overnight?
>>
>Patty, I can't answer that specific question, but I do know KGO's
>website lists "Bloomberg West" as the 11pm program. This is a Bloomberg
>TV Channel program, that originates from San Francisco at 3pm or so.
>Lots of Silicon Valley-type news. (It's actually pretty good.) So
>regardless of where they're picking up the feed from, it makes sense
>that the audio would be an afterthought.
That may have been it, because they were talking about Facebook and
>website lists "Bloomberg West" as the 11pm program. This is a Bloomberg
>TV Channel program, that originates from San Francisco at 3pm or so.
>Lots of Silicon Valley-type news. (It's actually pretty good.) So
>regardless of where they're picking up the feed from, it makes sense
>that the audio would be an afterthought.
Apple when I was listening. Thanks.
Patty
John Higdon
May 31, 2012, 8:07:56 PM5/31/12
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In article <4fc72ece$0$78577$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
BTW, I had predicted that the KGO/KSFO people would end up being treated
like evil stepchildren. I wasn't hard, given the comments coming from
Hee-Haw. I'm now getting comments from Front Street on the eve of the
move that yes, indeed, many are now feeling the 2nd class staff
treatment.
Gee...do you think?!
Neil <weis...@sonic.net> wrote:
> I presume the pretty corner offices with the views of the skyline and
> the Bay have remained at Hawthorne.
Nothing is moving out of Hee-Haw; only moving in.
> I presume the pretty corner offices with the views of the skyline and
> the Bay have remained at Hawthorne.
BTW, I had predicted that the KGO/KSFO people would end up being treated
like evil stepchildren. I wasn't hard, given the comments coming from
Hee-Haw. I'm now getting comments from Front Street on the eve of the
move that yes, indeed, many are now feeling the 2nd class staff
treatment.
Gee...do you think?!
Patty Winter
Jun 1, 2012, 10:40:24 AM6/1/12
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>Patty, I can't answer that specific question, but I do know KGO's
>website lists "Bloomberg West" as the 11pm program. This is a Bloomberg
>TV Channel program, that originates from San Francisco at 3pm or so.
I checked at 11:00 last night, and after a minute or two of local
>website lists "Bloomberg West" as the 11pm program. This is a Bloomberg
>TV Channel program, that originates from San Francisco at 3pm or so.
news, the network feed started, and it was indeed announced as
Bloomberg West. So that verifies that it's the audio of a TV show.
Patty
John Higdon
Jun 1, 2012, 11:43:35 AM6/1/12
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In article <4fc8d458$0$78548$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
(and six hours on the weekends). That's a lot of fill, if you ask me.
But since it's free, it is more attractive to the bean counters at
Cumulus than paying those local people, evan at bargain basement rates.
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote:
> I checked at 11:00 last night, and after a minute or two of local
> news, the network feed started, and it was indeed announced as
> Bloomberg West. So that verifies that it's the audio of a TV show.
Red Eye was four hours on weekdays. The Bloomberg stuff is five hours
> I checked at 11:00 last night, and after a minute or two of local
> news, the network feed started, and it was indeed announced as
> Bloomberg West. So that verifies that it's the audio of a TV show.
(and six hours on the weekends). That's a lot of fill, if you ask me.
But since it's free, it is more attractive to the bean counters at
Cumulus than paying those local people, evan at bargain basement rates.
spamtrap1888
Jun 1, 2012, 12:23:31 PM6/1/12
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On May 29, 5:23 pm, phalanx <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:17:08 -0700 (PDT),
>
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:17:08 -0700 (PDT),
>
> "leanstothel...@democrat.com" <leanstothel...@democrat.com> wrote:
>
> I'm doing my share for OSH, too, but it's difficult. I usually try OSH
> first, but so many times, I end up having to go to H-D or Lowe's
> anyway. If that happens many more times, I'll go straight to a big box
> in the first place...
>
>
Home maintenance items (e.g. faucet parts) are uniformly cheaper at
>
> I'm doing my share for OSH, too, but it's difficult. I usually try OSH
> first, but so many times, I end up having to go to H-D or Lowe's
> anyway. If that happens many more times, I'll go straight to a big box
> in the first place...
>
>
OSH than at a big box store. And if I only want to buy one of
something, I go to the Los Gatos Ace or the Willow Glen Ace. This is
annoying because I can easily walk to Home Depot -- I'm just tired of
getting ripped off. (New gaskets for my Price-Pfister faucet were
exactly half HD's price at OSH.)
Neil
Jun 1, 2012, 1:31:35 PM6/1/12
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On 6/1/12 8:43 AM, John Higdon wrote:
> Red Eye was four hours on weekdays. The Bloomberg stuff is five hours
> (and six hours on the weekends). That's a lot of fill, if you ask me.
> But since it's free, it is more attractive to the bean counters at
> Cumulus than paying those local people, evan at bargain basement rates.
>
But at least it's intelligent content. You can actually learn a few
> Red Eye was four hours on weekdays. The Bloomberg stuff is five hours
> (and six hours on the weekends). That's a lot of fill, if you ask me.
> But since it's free, it is more attractive to the bean counters at
> Cumulus than paying those local people, evan at bargain basement rates.
>
things by listening to Bloomberg's programs. (Whether it's information
you're interested in is another story.) Whatever their motivation for
burning five or six hours of their blowtorch's day on this, it is at
least different, and it beats RedEye, C2C or any other program featuring
bloviators spouting ill-considered opinions as if they were facts.
(Can't believe I'm complementing these incompetents.)
John Higdon
Jun 1, 2012, 5:41:26 PM6/1/12
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In article
<779b9365-57d6-430d...@l17g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
stores to the community in what it stocks, and carrying a vast
assortment of merchandise, OSH has a much better logical layout, and as
you point out, lower prices.
I have wandered around for twenty minutes trying to find something at
Home Depot, given up, and gone to OSH where I found it seconds after
walking in the store. Also, there are people at OSH who can actually
give you assistance.
<779b9365-57d6-430d...@l17g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
spamtrap1888 <spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Home maintenance items (e.g. faucet parts) are uniformly cheaper at
> OSH than at a big box store. And if I only want to buy one of
> something, I go to the Los Gatos Ace or the Willow Glen Ace. This is
> annoying because I can easily walk to Home Depot -- I'm just tired of
> getting ripped off. (New gaskets for my Price-Pfister faucet were
> exactly half HD's price at OSH.)
While Home Depot has some things going for it, such as tuning its local
> Home maintenance items (e.g. faucet parts) are uniformly cheaper at
> OSH than at a big box store. And if I only want to buy one of
> something, I go to the Los Gatos Ace or the Willow Glen Ace. This is
> annoying because I can easily walk to Home Depot -- I'm just tired of
> getting ripped off. (New gaskets for my Price-Pfister faucet were
> exactly half HD's price at OSH.)
stores to the community in what it stocks, and carrying a vast
assortment of merchandise, OSH has a much better logical layout, and as
you point out, lower prices.
I have wandered around for twenty minutes trying to find something at
Home Depot, given up, and gone to OSH where I found it seconds after
walking in the store. Also, there are people at OSH who can actually
give you assistance.
Bhairitu
Jun 2, 2012, 3:23:23 PM6/2/12
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there are good and know stuff. Worth the little extra drive over HD to
go there and they do stock some stuff for some reason HD doesn't. I
recall seeing they had a sale on those nice chrome kitchen waste cans. I
called and asked if they also sold the liners because they require a
special liner not any garbage bag will do. The clerk came back and
realized they didn't and thought that was quite odd. Later the store
began stocking them.
ACE is of course as franchise. So most (if not all) are locally owned.
John Higdon
Jun 2, 2012, 3:58:37 PM6/2/12
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In article <LKtyr.1872$At....@newsfe23.iad>,
items I have never found anywhere else. The store seems to do a very
targeted effort to stock what the local customers need and buy. The
other end of the spectrum is the Home Depot, which is far more formulaic
and requires one to go on a quest to find what he wants. Even Home
Depot, however, is sensitive to its market. In Pahrump, it stocks only
electric water heaters since there is no natural gas and few are willing
to pay the exorbitant price of propane there.
I put OSH somewhere in the middle, stocking unusual but locally
sought-after items, but not requiring a safari to find more common
things.
--
John Higdon
+1 775 253-3838
Bhairitu <nooz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Over here in Contra Costa we have Bill's ACE Hardware and the people
> there are good and know stuff. Worth the little extra drive over HD to
> go there and they do stock some stuff for some reason HD doesn't. I
> recall seeing they had a sale on those nice chrome kitchen waste cans. I
> called and asked if they also sold the liners because they require a
> special liner not any garbage bag will do. The clerk came back and
> realized they didn't and thought that was quite odd. Later the store
> began stocking them.
There is an ACE down the street that carries hardware and home-repair
> Over here in Contra Costa we have Bill's ACE Hardware and the people
> there are good and know stuff. Worth the little extra drive over HD to
> go there and they do stock some stuff for some reason HD doesn't. I
> recall seeing they had a sale on those nice chrome kitchen waste cans. I
> called and asked if they also sold the liners because they require a
> special liner not any garbage bag will do. The clerk came back and
> realized they didn't and thought that was quite odd. Later the store
> began stocking them.
items I have never found anywhere else. The store seems to do a very
targeted effort to stock what the local customers need and buy. The
other end of the spectrum is the Home Depot, which is far more formulaic
and requires one to go on a quest to find what he wants. Even Home
Depot, however, is sensitive to its market. In Pahrump, it stocks only
electric water heaters since there is no natural gas and few are willing
to pay the exorbitant price of propane there.
I put OSH somewhere in the middle, stocking unusual but locally
sought-after items, but not requiring a safari to find more common
things.
--
John Higdon
+1 775 253-3838
David Kaye
Jun 2, 2012, 5:15:43 PM6/2/12
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"Bhairitu" <nooz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> ACE is of course as franchise. So most (if not all) are locally owned.
>
Technically speaking (and it is actually a big difference), Ace Hardware is
a buying co-operative owned by its member stores. So, it's technically a
non-profit, meaning that there isn't any extra profit margin built in at the
distribution level.
And yes, as you state, their prices are very good. I happen to know the
owner of Cole Hardware, operator of 4 stores in San Francisco, and I know
that he's worked long and hard to teach people that his prices are as good
or better than Home Depot, Lowe's, and similar stores.
Still, there is this mentality among the shopping public that the bigger the
chain the lower the prices and the mom'n'pop business couldn't possibly have
lower prices.
Heck, I'm up against that all the time competing with Geek Squad for
computer tech support. People "just figure" that Geek Squad is going to be
cheaper, but when Geek Squad is done jacking them around with unneeded
services and warrantees, the customer is paying double to triple what they
would have paid to a small guy like me.
Big chains play on this perception, too. What I've learned is that as soon
as the public perceives something to be true, American big business will
exploit it. Take the idea that the big box of laundry detergent is cheaper
per wash than the small box. Often it isn't, but people thing it is, so
they buy the big box.
> ACE is of course as franchise. So most (if not all) are locally owned.
>
a buying co-operative owned by its member stores. So, it's technically a
non-profit, meaning that there isn't any extra profit margin built in at the
distribution level.
And yes, as you state, their prices are very good. I happen to know the
owner of Cole Hardware, operator of 4 stores in San Francisco, and I know
that he's worked long and hard to teach people that his prices are as good
or better than Home Depot, Lowe's, and similar stores.
Still, there is this mentality among the shopping public that the bigger the
chain the lower the prices and the mom'n'pop business couldn't possibly have
lower prices.
Heck, I'm up against that all the time competing with Geek Squad for
computer tech support. People "just figure" that Geek Squad is going to be
cheaper, but when Geek Squad is done jacking them around with unneeded
services and warrantees, the customer is paying double to triple what they
would have paid to a small guy like me.
Big chains play on this perception, too. What I've learned is that as soon
as the public perceives something to be true, American big business will
exploit it. Take the idea that the big box of laundry detergent is cheaper
per wash than the small box. Often it isn't, but people thing it is, so
they buy the big box.
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