Analog TV still on?
Bhairitu
in front of the local (was Longs) CVS still has his analog handheld. He
remembered me from last year telling him about the digital transition.
Last year he was able to get the Sacramento stations since it there is a
straight shot from the shopping center to the valley. But he says this
year he could only get a Spanish station. That would be the station on
Mt. Diablo which I know is broadcasting in digital but are they still on
analog too?
I told him that even CVS has the portable DTVs (which they did up on the
wall with the GPS units was a PRISM DTV). Though he might be better off
to wait until the stations have those mobile streams available and the
even cheaper handhelds are available.
leansto...@democrat.com
There is some grandfathering for low power TV stations, though low
power IIRC is pretty powerful. If you use TV fool, it will find the
analog stations.
http://www.tvfool.com/
Mike Ward
wrote:
>Last year he was able to get the Sacramento stations since it there is a
>straight shot from the shopping center to the valley. But he says this
>year he could only get a Spanish station. That would be the station on
>Mt. Diablo which I know is broadcasting in digital but are they still on
>analog too?
Paging John T....that would most assuredly be the artist known as
KFTL-CA, which I believe is still in analog in some form or another.
Kevin McMurtrie
Bhairitu <nooz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Low power TV stations still use analog and channels 2-6. There are a
few of them here and there.
These web sites have some listings but they don't seem to always be
up-to-date:
http://www.tvfool.com/
http://www.choisser.com/sfpost.html
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John T
Nope. We flash cut to digital on channel a few days after the full
power transition.
LPTVs and Class A stations have not been mandated to go digital at
all, but can if they desire. They have to either flash cut to digital
on their original analog channel or (if one can be found) they can
apply for a "companion channel" like the big boys had before the
transition. In some markets, however, finding a suitable companion
channel is nearly impossible, making a flash cut more sensible.
One of the arguments against many of the digital converter boxes was
that they provided no analog pass-through for the 1200 or so (LP)
stations that were not going digital on June 12th. A few operators
even thought they might increase viewership by being the only analog
signals in their markets.
In some markets there will be as many as 3 or 4 signals still in
analog, but mostly carrying alternative networks and programming
rather than any major sources. It remains to be seen if there's enough
analog audience left to generate required income.
I'm not sure who's still analog in the Sacramento market. In the SF
market there is MTV Tr3s on channel 40 and Warren Trumbly's channel 22
(the analog counterpart to digital channel 1), both in spanish.
JT
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Bhairitu
I'll ask the guy the next time I see him what channel he's getting.
KTNC (Azteca) is the station on Mt. Diablo but it is digital.
I've been meaning to take my laptop with USB digital tuner up to the top
of the hill and see what I can tune in.
Mike Ward
<news...@fuzzyfaraway.com> wrote:
>Nope. We flash cut to digital on channel a few days after the full
>power transition.
Ah, I saw that from various FCC records. I was also confusing you
with the current occupant of your former full power channel, 64.
John T
AFIK Telefutura have (for now- see below) abandoned Mt. Diablo in
favor of the antenna farm at Walnut Grove. A reliable source tells me
they have physically removed the old ch. 64 transmitter from the North
Peak, and have moved the DTV from the South Peak to the farm, now on
its post-transition channel 26.
Interestingly, they have applied for a channel 5 digital translator
that would hit the Bay Area from Mt. Diablo. I don't know what the
goal is, as I haven't talked to my contact at Univision for a few months.
JT
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Kevin McMurtrie
Bhairitu <nooz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I just flipped through the analog channels from Sunnyvale. 22 is
perfectly clear and free of reflections. 40 is fuzzy and I can only
pick it up as reflections off the Santa Cruz or Diablo mountains.
Nothing analog from Sacramento came in, though digital from there fades
in and out every few minutes from where I'm at.
Mike Ward
In the app, they point out that the KFTK-DT move to Walnut Grove has
left a portion of their former analog service population without
service. Conveniently, they wish to use the 5 translator to serve
that pesky little portion in the heart of the SF/Oakland area, where
there may actually be some population :)
Good luck on that digital 5, Telefutura/Univision!
John T
> In the app, they point out that the KFTK-DT move to Walnut Grove has
> left a portion of their former analog service population without
> service. Conveniently, they wish to use the 5 translator to serve
> that pesky little portion in the heart of the SF/Oakland area, where
> there may actually be some population :)
>
It begs the question, however, of why at all? They have Telefutura on
channel 66 from Sutro. I can't think of any compelling reason to add a
translator to duplicate coverage. Unless they are looking at a future
sale of one station or the other, I don't see the point.
I don't know if they gave up the dual market designation that was
granted just before we sold the station, but maybe it's to maintain
that for cable and satellite purposes. I don't know.
> Good luck on that digital 5, Telefutura/Univision!
Yeah, I heard that! There's a group in Petaluma that was just granted
a low power CP on channel 3. If it works, it will have pretty good
coverage, but so far I've heard little positive from anywhere about
low VHF DTVs.
JT
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Mark Roberts
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| In the app, they point out that the KFTK-DT move to Walnut Grove has
KTFK
| left a portion of their former analog service population without
| service. Conveniently, they wish to use the 5 translator to serve
| that pesky little portion in the heart of the SF/Oakland area, where
| there may actually be some population :)
|
| Good luck on that digital 5, Telefutura/Univision!
Diablo is not a usable site for large parts of Oakland or Berkeley.
Possibly a digital signal could punch through the multipath on
UHF in some areas, but on low-band VHF, I doubt it very much.
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|
| I don't know if they gave up the dual market designation that was
| granted just before we sold the station, but maybe it's to maintain
| that for cable and satellite purposes. I don't know.
KTFK isn't carried on Comcast systems. KFSF definitely is, and, as
you note, is the Telefutura station for San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose.
Mike Ward
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>Mike Ward <mw...@iname.remove-this-part.com> had written:
>|
>| In the app, they point out that the KFTK-DT move to Walnut Grove has
>
>KTFK
Oh, right, "TeleFutura". Again, it's still the old KFTL to me.
>Diablo is not a usable site for large parts of Oakland or Berkeley.
>Possibly a digital signal could punch through the multipath on
>UHF in some areas, but on low-band VHF, I doubt it very much.
LD channel 5 isn't gonna be usable for much of ANYONE. Maybe if you
can walk there...
Mike Ward
wrote:
>KTFK isn't carried on Comcast systems. KFSF definitely is, and, as
>you note, is the Telefutura station for San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose.
Hmm, then why are they even DOING this?
Bhairitu
I checked with the guy today and he said the channel is 23 which would
be KEZT Telemundo out of Sacramento. They're still broadcasting in
analog? I told him that CVS has the Prism DTV on sale for $80 this week
so he was going to check it out after he finishes for the day.
John T
>
> I checked with the guy today and he said the channel is 23 which would
> be KEZT Telemundo out of Sacramento. They're still broadcasting in
> analog? I told him that CVS has the Prism DTV on sale for $80 this week
> so he was going to check it out after he finishes for the day.
>
Ch. 23 is a Class A Low Power station that essentially duplicates
KTFK. It _was_ Telemundo's outlet before they bought KFTL and turned
it into KTFK. Telemundo were trying to sell ch. 23 several months ago
(and it may still be on the market), but their asking price was way
out of line for the TV broadcast world as it is.
JT
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