Ronn Owens Lambasted For His Obama Remarks
John Slade
Ronn Owens to task over his remarks about Obama's comments on
the Fort Hood shooting. Burns said Owen's morphed into "Glenn
Beck" in his second hour. I thought that was amusing so I just
had to listen.
It turns out Burns was right. I was shocked to hear
Ronn Owens display such extreme displeasure that Obama, while
speaking at an event, took almost two minutes to mention the
Fort Hood shootings. He said Obama didn't show enough emotion.
He didn't show enough outrage. I mean if you go by Owens, Obama
is out of touch and this speech shows it. Owens seemed so
disgusted by what Obama said, I just had to listen to Obama's
comments. So I listened, and I wasn't shocked and disturbed like
Owens. In fact I thought Obama did the right thing in talking
about the shooting AFTER he made his opening remarks at the
Dept. of Interior function. He talked about the shooting just fine.
I was then disturbed myself at how shocked Owens was
and how up set he sounded. I agree that Ronn Owens did sound
like a loony Glenn Beck there for a second. All kinds of
thoughts raced through my head. Was Owens just faking outrage?
Nah, Ronn seems to be pretty honest. Did Ronn smoke too much of
some drug that makes you paranoid and apt to believe in stupid
conspiracy theories? Who knows? All I can say it after being
disturbed, I felt bewildered at Ronn's comments. And yet Ronn
was so disturbed adn appalled by Obama taking two minutes to
mention the shooting that at the end of the hour, he decided it
was best to talk about the new movie releases. I nearly hit the
floor when he decided that the shooting was so devastating to
America, that we must talk about alien abduction movies to take
our minds off of it.
I looked around on the print news via Yahoo search and
apparently the only major news organ who seems to disagree with
Obama's comments was Fox News. I'm so shocked. I would bet
dollars to donuts that if Obama had started off with Fort Hood
and then moved on to Indian affairs, he would have been
lambasted as not caring also. There is no pleasing the critics
and talk show hosts who are trying to show "outrage".
John
Ciccio
> It turns out Burns was right. I was shocked to hear
> Ronn Owens display such extreme displeasure that Obama,
Heh. He's not the only one. Boy Wonder's approval ratings tanked and
have been steadily low. Hell, even Willie Brown is expressing
displeasure. Quit being a sap...Wake up!
Boy Wonder doing his bullshit "shout out" during such a time of
tragedy occurring within his scope of command, is deplorable. It was a
horrible show of leardership. Sure, whacked out liberals and radical
Islamic sympathizers in Berserkeley, and other BA anti-American
enclaves, could care less. But he's the president for all of these
United States, where most people do care. Moreover, he is the
Commander In Chief, and when the grunts turned their eyes to their top
leader, they saw him shucking and jiving...DESPICABLE!
> I looked around on the print news via Yahoo search and
> apparently the only major news organ who seems to disagree with
> Obama's comments was Fox News.
Well, look harder. E.g.,
BOSTON GLOBE
"Obama’s delayed empathy"
http://tinyurl.com/y9oyqad
Ciccio
David Kaye
>Moreover, he is the
>Commander In Chief, and when the grunts turned their eyes to their top
>leader, they saw him shucking and jiving...DESPICABLE!
If he wasn't black would you be using such a description? Do I detect racism
here? I just don't imagine you using the term "shuck and jive" to describe
the actions of a white person.
--
"You're in probably the wickedest, most corrupt city, most
Godless city in America." -- Fr Mullen, "San Francisco"
Larry
places such as Monday Night Football.
Once again the racism card was thrown out when no other valid argument was
fond.
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hd4t10$vca$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
David Kaye
>Yes, I have heard it used in conjuction with a white. Lots of Times. On
>places such as Monday Night Football.
That wasn't the question. Would Ciccio have used it? That is the question.
I say not because he's never used such a description before in all the years
I've been reading his posts.
>Once again the racism card was thrown out when no other valid argument was
>fond.
Both terms are used almost exclusively to refer to black people.
Ciccio
> Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Moreover, he is the
> >Commander In Chief, and when the grunts turned their eyes to their top
> >leader, they saw him shucking and jiving...DESPICABLE!
>
> If he wasn't black would you be using such a description? Do I detect racism
> here?
Oh, you're one of those that when somebody makes the slightest
reference to anything that might be ethnic, then the person is a
racist. For somebody who tries to portray that he's hip and young (at
heart) you are such a prude. Sheesh!
The term does have it's origins in the black sub-culture, but, for
quite sometime, it has expanded beyond the black sub-culture,
especially among young people. Heh. I guess that group you hang with
that you say is "young" isn't that young.
> I just don't imagine you using the term "shuck and jive" to describe the actions of a white person.
Well next time, instead of limiting yourself to what you can't
imagine, just ask me and I'll be glad to tell you...You're wrong.
Ciccio
David Kaye
>Well next time, instead of limiting yourself to what you can't
>imagine, just ask me and I'll be glad to tell you...You're wrong.
I don't believe you.
leansto...@democrat.com
If you listen to these events on POTUS or CSPAN, they always start
with acknowledgments to various people. Sometimes POTUS skips that
part because it is dry beyond belief. So this speech is political
talk 101.
Contrast Obama's speech with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WMnI6kGXOQ
I rest my case.
HCochet
I guess he's still doing it. It looks like he's Ronn's biggest fan. I
think he has a gay crush on Ronn. WHY doesn't he just call in during
Ronn's show and talk to Ronn about Ronn.
KGO used to have a policy, or the hosts had a policy, an unwritten
rule, that if you have an issue with a certain host then call the host
in question. I mean don't call Ray to complain about John. You call
John if you have an issue with John. Call Ronn if you have an issue
with Ronn. I've heard hosts many times refuse to allow a caller to
discuss other hosts. However, this was about 10 years ago. Maybe
things are different now.
Gene really needs to quit listening to Ronn's show, or just simply
call in if you feel so strongly. Talk to Ronn about Ronn. It's
pusillanimous for Gene to talk about Ronn that way so often on Gene's
show.
John Slade
> On Nov 7, 1:20 pm, John Slade <hhitma...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> It turns out Burns was right. I was shocked to hear
>> Ronn Owens display such extreme displeasure that Obama,
>
> Heh. He's not the only one. Boy Wonder's approval ratings tanked and
> have been steadily low. Hell, even Willie Brown is expressing
> displeasure. Quit being a sap...Wake up!
There are a few who don't like what Obama did, but like I
said, if he had started off with Fort Hood, or even canceled the
event, he would have been in the wrong according to some. That's
politics for ya.
>
> Boy Wonder doing his bullshit "shout out" during such a time of
> tragedy occurring within his scope of command, is deplorable.
It was a shout out to Broze Star winner from WW2. I
notice that the people there clapped when he did the shout out.
I'm not surprised you would hate Obama for anything, even
honoring someone who fought and bled so you might be free. Geez
what a total lowlife you are. Tell me this, are you gonna cheer
for Brazil in the next Olympics or the USA?
> It was a
> horrible show of leardership. Sure, whacked out liberals and radical
> Islamic sympathizers in Berserkeley, and other BA anti-American
> enclaves, could care less.
Oh brother. More phony outrage. This is nothing more than
sour grapes. Obama is hardly a Berkeley liberal when it comes to
the military. Tell me this how did you feel about Obama when he
went to meet the returning dead soldiers coffins? I bet you
hated him for saluting them huh?
>But he's the president for all of these
> United States, where most people do care. Moreover, he is the
> Commander In Chief, and when the grunts turned their eyes to their top
> leader, they saw him shucking and jiving...DESPICABLE!
No those troops would have cheered him because the "shout
out" was to this man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow
"Shucking and jiving? Now I see why you hate Ray
Taliaferro so much.
>
>> I looked around on the print news via Yahoo search and
>> apparently the only major news organ who seems to disagree with
>> Obama's comments was Fox News.
>
> Well, look harder. E.g.,
> BOSTON GLOBE
> "Obama�s delayed empathy"
> http://tinyurl.com/y9oyqad
Oh wow you found another conservative editorial or blog.
I'm so shocked they would find fault with Obama honoring a
96-year-old war hero from WW2. Boy that's really
despicable.<heavy sarcasm>
John
John Slade
> Yes, I have heard it used in conjuction with a white. Lots of Times. On
> places such as Monday Night Football.
>
> Once again the racism card was thrown out when no other valid argument was
> fond.
But consider the source. This Ciccio nitwit seems to be
obsessed with Ray Taliaferro and hates him so much he listens to
him every night. I'm sure he meant it in a racist way.
John
Ciccio
> Ciccio <frances...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Well next time, instead of limiting yourself to what you can't
> >imagine, just ask me and I'll be glad to tell you...You're wrong.
>
> I don't believe you.
Well, at least, you're consistent, because that makes you wrong again.
Ciccio
Ciccio
> But consider the source. This Ciccio nitwit seems to be
> obsessed with Ray Taliaferro and hates him so much he listens to
> him every night. I'm sure he meant it in a racist way.
There you go making shit up again. I never said I hated Ray T. Indeed,
I have often stated that I listen to him, and I give credit when
credit is due. For many years, however, I would tune in, then after
about 5 minutes, I'd find it was his tired routine, then I'd tune
away. The past several months he has come up with some fresh material
that has been entertaining. I've always liked his jazz shows. I've
always disliked his poetry shows.
Ciccio
Ciccio
> >Once again the racism card was thrown out when no other valid argument was
> >fond.
>
> Both terms are used almost exclusively to refer to black people.
Yeah, like about 40-50 years ago. You're old fartness is showing.
Next, you'll be saying that if somebody says: "Obama gave the dude his
props.." that is being racist. Or hell, if somebody says Obama is
"cool," then the person is a racist because "cool" has its roots in
the black subculture. You really need to broaden your horizons and get
up to speed.
Ciccio
John Higdon
<b0f8004f-b7f5-4a37...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
HCochet <LWh...@aol.com> wrote:
> I mentioned this before in the "embarrassed for Gene Burns" thread.
> I guess he's still doing it. It looks like he's Ronn's biggest fan. I
> think he has a gay crush on Ronn. WHY doesn't he just call in during
> Ronn's show and talk to Ronn about Ronn.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Are you criticizing
Gene for listening to his own station so that he can maintain
perspective on the programing and continuity? Just so you know, unless a
host on the air invites another host to call in, it is bad form to
participate in a colleague's show.
> KGO used to have a policy, or the hosts had a policy, an unwritten
> rule, that if you have an issue with a certain host then call the host
> in question. I mean don't call Ray to complain about John. You call
> John if you have an issue with John. Call Ronn if you have an issue
> with Ronn. I've heard hosts many times refuse to allow a caller to
> discuss other hosts. However, this was about 10 years ago. Maybe
> things are different now.
This so-called policy to which you refer applies to callers, not hosts.
Yes, typically hosts do not allow callers to discuss other hosts on the
air. The host can talk about anything he likes.
> Gene really needs to quit listening to Ronn's show, or just simply
> call in if you feel so strongly. Talk to Ronn about Ronn. It's
> pusillanimous for Gene to talk about Ronn that way so often on Gene's
> show.
Not going to happen. Gene will talk about whatever he deems appropriate,
and you will not finding him calling Ronn's show. He may do so on rare
occasions, but it will not happen very often.
All this not withstanding, why does this bother you?
--
John Higdon
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Ciccio
> There are a few who don't like what Obama did, but like I
> said, if he had started off with Fort Hood, or even canceled the
> event, he would have been in the wrong according to some. That's
> politics for ya.
You frequently come up with false dichotomies. It wasn't an either/or
situation. Canceling the event wasn't required. He, however, could
have handled the situation with much more empathy and dignity. He is
an insensitive asshole, that's why he did what he did.
> It was a shout out to Broze Star winner from WW2. I
Heh. Too bad Boy Wonder erroneously called him a CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL
OF HONOR WINNER, which shows Boy Wonder's indifference and lack of
empathy, if not disrespect, toward the military.
Even more reason Obama should have shown more respect for the tragedy.
Obama with his shucking and jiving must have really made the honoree
feel awkward or uncomfortable. Of course, Obama being the insensitive
asshole he is, he didn't care, because the event wasn't about the
honoree, it was all about Obama.
> Oh brother. More phony outrage. This is nothing more than
> sour grapes.
Sour grapes? Hmmmm. A whole lot of people who supported him feel the
same way. Hell, I just heard Willie Brown say how he is disappointed
in Obama.
> No those troops would have cheered him because the "shout
> out" was to this man.
Would have???..They haven't and they didn't.
> "Shucking and jiving? Now I see why you hate Ray
> Taliaferro so much.
I don't hate him. But he does shuck and jive quite a bit. Sometimes it
is entertaining.
> Oh wow you found another conservative editorial or blog.
Oh yeah, the Boston Globe.
> I'm so shocked they would find fault with Obama honoring a
> 96-year-old war hero from WW2. Boy that's really
> despicable.<heavy sarcasm>
That's not where the fault was. It was with the disrespect he showed
the fallen at Fort Hood. Obama is a selfish, self-centered asshole,
which we are seeing his true self more often when he's not depending
on his teleprompter.
Ciccio
David Kaye
>Gene really needs to quit listening to Ronn's show, [....]
I can't listen to Ronn or Gene at all. Ronn is snarky and I hate snarky. I
stopped listening to him maybe 3 years ago. I can't say I've heard more than
a mattress commercial out of him in the interim. Instead I listen to Michael
Krasny and Talk of the Nation which follows.
I can't listen to Gene anymore because he rehashes the same topics, especially
the "issues of the day", which I'm usually tired of hearing about. I know I
won't be enlightened because he specializes in uninformed callers with nothing
to say.
HCochet
> In article
> <b0f8004f-b7f5-4a37-a377-c7dd95054...@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Ma'am
I just think that too often Gene's show is "Lets talk about Ronn's
show". It's different from sharing the same topic. He specifically
mentions Ronn and talks about Ronn's opinion in thr Ronn show and why
Ronn is wrong and Ronn this and Ronn that. He should just pick a
topic, no matter if it's been discussed already or not and start
talking. Don't mention that Ronn feels one way. Maybe once or twice a
year would be OK, but he does it a lot.
<<All this not withstanding, why does this bother you?>>
Ma'am,
You could probably ask that in 50% of the posts here. How do you
define "bother"? I mean I'm not going to pull a Alan Berg thing on
him. This is a place to discuss radio. I'm discussing radio. I already
splained my opinion. I'm embarrassed for him. He's smarter than that,
I know, but he's acting stupid.
Why does my post "bother" you?
John Higdon
<a2db2929-f8d6-43eb...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
HCochet <LWh...@aol.com> wrote:
> Ma'am
<plonk>
(<<Kelly>>)
> HCochet <LWh...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Gene really needs to quit listening to Ronn's show, [....]
>
> I can't listen to Ronn or Gene at all. Ronn is snarky and I hate snarky.
Which is why you enlist the use of snarky as often as you do...? I
guess snarky is as snarky does.
leansto...@democrat.com
Krasny is hit or miss with me. He loves to interview authors of
fiction. Life is short, I only read non-fiction, next. However,
sometimes the producers put together a hell of a panel (forum), and
Krasny plays referee and master of the inquisition like nobody's
business.
David Kaye
>Which is why you enlist the use of snarky as often as you do...? I
>guess snarky is as snarky does.
I am many things but snarky is not one of them. I don't use the term often,
but it fits Ronn Owens, and apparently he himself has said so, or so I'm told.
I think I told the story about how I got out of snarkiness about 20 years ago.
My good friend and housemate Jerry greeted me one morning and I responsed
with a snarky comment. He said, "If you continue to act that way I'm not
going to talk to you anymore." It shocked me, especially because I had no
idea that my catty remarks were that bad; they just came out of my mouth
without thought.
From that day forward I vowwed not to use sarcasm, satire, or even irony in my
life -- at all. Today, what I say is what I mean. No hidden agenda, no snide
in-joke, nothing. It is what it is.
This shift in my speech created a similar shift in my thoughts. Almost
immediately I began to glow. I started feeling good about life. I greeted
every morning happily. Even though I've had a lot of emotional setbacks in my
life, I am able to see the positive things.
It is true that what you say directly affects what you think.
You might try it sometime yourself, Kelly, and maybe you won't need your Jesus
crutch any longer.
(<<Kelly>>)
> I am many things but snarky is not one of them.
"Man, did I wake up on the snarky side of this morning? I should be
thrilled." -- David Kaye, Wed, Dec 3 2008 4:30 pm
> I don't use the term often,
"Ronn Owens probably does, too, but he's so snarky that I just don't
listen to him." -- David Kaye, Sun, Feb 22 2009 7:04 pm
"If you ever bothered to read what I write, you've have learned years
ago that I don't like Ronn Owens as a talkshow host because of his
snarky attitude and his ego." -- David Kaye, Thurs, Dec 25 2008 5:32
am
"I don't like snarky people and he is the King of Snark. That's so
20th Century, Disaffected Youth, Generation X. Nobody does snark
anymore. " -- David Kaye, Tues, Feb 12 2008 1:27 pm
"I think the negative talkshow hosts are going to find less audience
for their snarky comments." -- David Kaye, Tues, Jan 20 2009 6:22 pm
"Ronn Owens would have made snarky comments for the next 3 days about
it, and he's about as experienced as you get in talkradio." -- David
Kaye, Sat, Mar 8 2008 12:21 pm
"I don't mind satire, but the Onion goes over that top in a Melanie
Morgan snarky kind of way." -- David Kaye, Wed, Mar 12 2008 1:02 am
"Y'know, I am not normally into Bill Maher; I find him snarky." --
David Kaye, Thurs, Mar 12 2009 10:09 am
"Finally, you did, and you gave your snarky-as-usual answer. Couldn't
you have just suggested it without the snark?" -- David Kaye, Tues,
Jan 20 2009 6:13 pm
"I wasn't being snarky. I was being serious." -- David Kaye, Tues,
Sep 2 2008 12:26 am
"I don't listen to snarky people as a rule." -- David Kaye, Thurs,
Sep 11 2008 1:00 pm
"As to talkshow hosts, I have no problem with rightists who are well-
thought and not preachy, whiny, or snarky."
-- David Kaye, Mon, Nov 27 2006 10:30 am
"You're constantly being snarky." -- David Kaye, Tues, Feb 3 2009
12:59 am
"I expected to see the kind of snarky Harvard grad that would hang out
at Ritual and wax on about venture capital." -- David Kaye, Sun, Nov
16 2008 11:54 pm
"Over the years, KGO has had Tom Bodet's "End of the Road" (a non-
snarky "Prairie Home Companion" kind of show)" -- David Kaye, Sat,
Jun 23 2007 1:31 am
"Roger Grimsby, long noted as the snarky anchor at WABC-TV, was first
an anchor at KGO-TV." -- David Kaye, Wed, Apr 25 2007 9:25 pm
"KQED and KALW are fine, but NPR, now that I've stepped back from it
for many months, doesn't sound intellectual anymore, it just sounds
snarky." -- David Kaye, Sun, Jun 24 2007 6:26 pm
"Oh, he was his usual snarky self trying to goad her into talking
about the case against Ed Jew" -- David Kaye, Wed, Jun 27 2007 1:13
am
"Snarky Owens At It Again" (thread title) -- David Kaye, Wed, Oct 29
2008 10:12 am
"Most of you folks sound so snarky that most of the posts blend into
each other...Jack Hamilton is one of the few here who is not
snarky..." -- David Kaye, Mon, Jul 27 2009 4:29 pm
(the above is courtesy Google Groups archives ;-)
Ciccio
> On Nov 8, 3:15 pm, sfdavidka...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
> (the above is courtesy Google Groups archives ;-)
Not to mention his last post, in reply to you, wherein he was very
snarky regarding your religious beliefs.
Ciccio
(<<Kelly>>)
> Not to mention his last post, in reply to you, wherein he was very
> snarky regarding your religious beliefs.
Yeah - I noticed that, but decided to let it go. I figured his
snarkiness would speak for itself (as it always has in the past).
Apparently, I was correct.
As far as David and his claims that he has "vowed not to use sarcasm,
satire, or even irony in [his] life -- at all"...
Can you say, "denial"?
;-)
David Kaye
>"Ronn Owens probably does, too, but he's so snarky that I just don't
>listen to him." -- David Kaye, Sun, Feb 22 2009 7:04 pm
[....]
I'll be damned! I guess I do. I had no idea I used it so much. Okay, from
here on, I'll refrain from using the term "snarky".
Now, truth be told, I do tend to repeat myself from time to time. It's not
because I'm losing my memory, but I do it on purpose because there are new
people here all the time, and I realize I am playing to a changing audience.
I'm a performer, remember.
David Kaye
>Not to mention his last post, in reply to you, wherein he was very
>snarky regarding your religious beliefs.
I admit it. I did fall into that. Sorry about that, Ciccio and Kelly. Not
sure why I'm in a foul mood today.
(<<Kelly>>)
> I admit it. I did fall into that. Sorry about that, Ciccio and Kelly. Not
> sure why I'm in a foul mood today.
Apology accepted, David.
paul
Ronn should be shown the front door.
John Higdon
<62f4f3e1-6ed6-47ab...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
paul <paul...@att.net> wrote:
> Ronn should be shown the front door.
Indeed. Stations should always dump their most productive talent.
Especially when they have opinions counter to your own.
David Kaye
>
>Ronn should be shown the front door.
No, there's a place for him. As I recall he was the first talkshow host ever
to beat Rush Limbaugh in ratings.