JVC HD capable Car Stereo $79 at Fry's Tomorrow
SMS
HD capable receiver, Fry's has a JVC HD Radio on sale tomorrow for $79.
Includes a pair of 6.5" speakers.
It's this one
"http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028465&pathId=54&page=1"
Actually Amazon sells it (without the speakers) for about the same price.
"http://www.amazon.com/JVC-KD-HDR20-Single-DIN-WMA-Compatible-Expandability/dp/B001PL5SSM"
I think I saw Johh Higdon in line at Fry's already.
leansto...@democrat.com
> For everyone that's been looking to upgrade their vehicle's radio to an
> HD capable receiver, Fry's has a JVC HD Radio on sale tomorrow for $79.
> Includes a pair of 6.5" speakers.
>
> It's this one
> "http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028465&pathId=54&page=1"
>
> Actually Amazon sells it (without the speakers) for about the same price.
>
>
> I think I saw Johh Higdon in line at Fry's already.
Maybe our HD Farce buddy will buy one and smash it in public, then
upload the video to youtube.
SMS
I drove by Fry's earlier today when I was taking my daughter to the
movies. There was one tent, and a few chairs--probably Higdon and Farce.
IBOCcrock
> For everyone that's been looking to upgrade their vehicle's radio to an
> HD capable receiver, Fry's has a JVC HD Radio on sale tomorrow for $79.
> Includes a pair of 6.5" speakers.
>
> It's this one
> "http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028465&pathId=54&page=1"
>
> Actually Amazon sells it (without the speakers) for about the same price.
>
>
> I think I saw Johh Higdon in line at Fry's already.
"HD Radio: Still low in priority at stores"
"I visited a Best Buy the other day, and while I was there I stopped
in the auto sound department. He took me to the display wall and
showed me the one unit that had HD Radio built in. It was a model from
JVC. He said that others were HD Radio ready, but they all required an
expensive interface to add HD Radio."
I think the JVC is the only in-dash HD Radio receiver left that hasn't
converted to just HD Radio Ready. Great post, BTW. I needed a good
laugh - LMFAO!
RP
"IBOCcrock" <ibocis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3fe82d31-5e30-4d16...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 12:33?pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> For everyone that's been looking to upgrade their vehicle's radio to an
> HD capable receiver, Fry's has a JVC HD Radio on sale tomorrow for $79.
> Includes a pair of 6.5" speakers.
>
> It's this one
> "http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028465&pathId=54&page=1"
>
> Actually Amazon sells it (without the speakers) for about the same price.
>
> "http://www.amazon.com/JVC-KD-HDR20-Single-DIN-WMA-Compatible-Expandab..."
>
> I think I saw Johh Higdon in line at Fry's already.
LOL!
>>"HD Radio: Still low in priority at stores"
Once again, it doesn't need to be the next ipod.
It's just an added feature that brings some extra functionality to the radio
experience.
HD Radio Farce
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yea, like hiss, and destroyed adjacent-channel signals, thanks to
Boobles. Also, dropouts, silence, and digital artifacting. Wow, what
features - LOL! It has to be another "iPod", in order to eventually
replace the estimated 800,000.000 analog radios in the US., and to
make iNiquity viable:
"iBiquity Digital Corporation"
March 2001
"If rollout targets are met, three years from product launch should
find a roughly 10% digital broadcast penetration in terms of the share
of radios able to receive digital broadcasts. By 2012, that share is
projected to rise to 70%... Ultimately, iBiquity will likely offer an
attractive equity option in itself, with the most likely ultimate
liquidity event being an IPO. However, the timing of any potential IPO
does not appear to be imminent, or the need for added funds immediate.
Any intermediate financing needs are expected to be relatively modest
and funded by existing investors. None of the current owners want to
dilute their relative ownership positions given the attractiveness and
potential upside of the current business model. The market is not
likely to be receptive over the near term to an IPO of a technology
company with no current revenues."
http://www.brai.com/PDF/iBiquity.pdf
Right - LOL! By 2012, there will be 350,000,000 - 500,000,000 HD
radios in circulation. Let's see, MAYBE 1,000,000 POS sold, with a 50%
return rate. I think it is more like 350,000,000 sold, with a 50%
return rate.
RP
"HD Radio Farce" <hdradi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5e1156f2-817b-4422...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 27, 11:58?pm, "RP" <rpal...@NOSPAMmailandnews.com> wrote:
> "IBOCcrock" <ibocisacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3fe82d31-5e30-4d16...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 26, 12:33?pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > For everyone that's been looking to upgrade their vehicle's radio to an
> > HD capable receiver, Fry's has a JVC HD Radio on sale tomorrow for $79.
> > Includes a pair of 6.5" speakers.
>
> > It's this one
> > "http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028465&pathId=54&page=1"
>
> > Actually Amazon sells it (without the speakers) for about the same
> > price.
>
> > "http://www.amazon.com/JVC-KD-HDR20-Single-DIN-WMA-Compatible-Expandab..."
>
> > I think I saw Johh Higdon in line at Fry's already.
>
> LOL!
>
> >>"HD Radio: Still low in priority at stores"
>
> Once again, it doesn't need to be the next ipod.
>
> It's just an added feature that brings some extra functionality to the
> radio
> experience.
> Yea, like hiss...
Nope. No listener complaints.
> and destroyed adjacent-channel signals.
Nope, no listener complaints.
> Also, dropouts, silence, and digital artifacting.
No worse than "digital TV'. But it will only get better.
Next?
HD Radio Farce
> "HD Radio Farce" <hdradiofa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:5e1156f2-817b-4422...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nothing will make digital radio work...
SMS
> No worse than "digital TV'. But it will only get better.
I originally dismissed HD radio as just another technology that no one
needs. Then the replacement receiver I purchased for one of my vehicles
happened to include HD capability, even though it was not one of the
requirements I had when selecting a product. Now I use the HD Radio
feature more than I use the Bluetooth audio streaming or USB stick
streaming. The quality of sound is outstanding, far better than
conventional FM radio.
The selection of HD stations isn't huge, but there's enough, and once
the power increase that the broadcasting industry has been seeking goes
through all the FCC red tape the number of HD radio stations will
increase exponentially. It's the rare win-win-win-win. A win for the
broadcasting industry, a win for listeners, and a win for equipment
manufacturers, and win for the inventor of the technology which receives
licensing fees.
HD Radio Farce
Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? You read
like a commercial.
HD Radio Farce
"Warp Factor 6, Mr. Scott"
"To wit, how many existing installations will have sufficient headroom
to implement the increase without significant retooling of
transmission hardware?.. Some simply won't make it with their existing
transmitters, and plant cooling capacity will also have to be bumped
up along with electrical power mains service, and back-up generating
plant output... Those using high level combining schemes will face
similar issues, as reject loads, digital transmitters, etc., will all
have to be upsized... One thing's for certain: approval of a 6dB HD
digital boost will mean lots of extra hours, as managers and owners
task their engineers with delivering a wee bit more digital drive
without melting down already overheated corporate budgets. For many,
actually making it happen is likely to be an agonizing process."
Dream on...
SMS
> It's just an added feature that brings some extra functionality to the radio
> experience.
What's encouraging is that more and more new receivers are not just "HD
Ready," requiring extra equipment, but are full HD capable out of the
box. This is what's required for the installed base of receivers to grow
(along with the increasing number of vehicle manufacturers including HD
capability as standard). It's a natural evolution as hardware costs fall.
The receiver I bought also had built-in Bluetooth and built in iPod
support and a front USB jack, features that are migrating in more and
more receivers from extra-cost add-ons to built-in. Few people want to
buy a load of extra gadgets, with all the associated wiring, to get
features which should be standard.
Ironically, there is no XM/Sirrus support in the receiver I purchased.
That seems to be becoming rarer as XM/Sirrus continues to decline.
XM/Sirrus should be cutting prices, not increasing them if they want to
survive, but what it looks like is that they know they're going under
and are trying to maximize short term revenue for as long as possible
before declaring bankruptcy. They got bailed out in February, just in
time, by Liberty Media, but they haven't changed their business model at
all, so bankruptcy is probably inevitable. Someone might be able to
create a less costly business model for satellite radio, but with the
surging popularity of HD radio it might be too late.
SMS
> The receiver I bought also had built-in Bluetooth and built in iPod
> support and a front USB jack, features that are migrating in more and
> more receivers from extra-cost add-ons to built-in. Few people want to
> buy a load of extra gadgets, with all the associated wiring, to get
> features which should be standard.
I also see that RadioInk sold out of their first batch of HD pocket
radios. This is the Insignia NS-HD01 radio in a different color and at a
lower price. See:
"http://www.mightyredhd.com/mightyredhd/productenlarged.asp?ProductId=1283088".
Personally, I'd prefer one with AM as well, but it looks like the demand
for HD radio is such that consumers are willing to make compromises on
other features.
RP
>
> Next?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Nothing will make digital radio work...
It's working pretty well...but then again you wouldn't know, you haven't
tried it...cuz you hate HD.
RP
There ya go! ANyone who comes to a different conclusion is considered a
"shill" for iBiquity!
RP
>
> I originally dismissed HD radio as just another technology that no one
> needs. Then the replacement receiver I purchased for one of my vehicles
> happened to include HD capability, even though it was not one of the
> requirements I had when selecting a product. Now I use the HD Radio
> feature more than I use the Bluetooth audio streaming or USB stick
> streaming. The quality of sound is outstanding, far better than
> conventional FM radio.
>
> The selection of HD stations isn't huge, but there's enough, and once
> the power increase that the broadcasting industry has been seeking goes
> through all the FCC red tape the number of HD radio stations will
> increase exponentially. It's the rare win-win-win-win. A win for the
> broadcasting industry, a win for listeners, and a win for equipment
> manufacturers, and win for the inventor of the technology which receives
> licensing fees.
> "Warp Factor 6, Mr. Scott"
LMAO!
In a development that could vastly improve HD Radio signal reception
and propel the digital radio service forward, iBiquity and NPR have
reached an agreement for an HD power increase. It would give all HD
FMs a FOUR-FOLD POWER HIKE, but some stations could get an EVEN BIGGER
BUMP."
HD Radio Farce
> "HD Radio Farce" <hdradiofa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:2f6495cd-0126-402f...@p33g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Very few have the headroom or funds for a power increase. A number of
HD stations have turned HD off. I suggest you search FCC Docket 99-325
and look at iBiquity's most recent filing. Their coverage charts show
that even a -10db power increase makes little difference. Thf FCC has
yet to rule on any power increase. PRP just filed showing that NPR's
tests did not include the affects on LPFMs - sounds like a trip to
court to me, especially with more support from Congres and the FCC for
LPFMs.
SMS
> In a development that could vastly improve HD Radio signal reception
> and propel the digital radio service forward, iBiquity and NPR have
> reached an agreement for an HD power increase. It would give all HD
> FMs a FOUR-FOLD POWER HIKE, but some stations could get an EVEN BIGGER
> BUMP."
This bodes well for the future of HD Radio.
Most stations have sufficient headroom for the power increase, and the
cost of equipment for such an increase is very low. Many stations that
held off on HD until now are now planning to deploy HD once the power
increase is official.
It's rare that you get such a win-win-win scenario for government,
private industry and consumers, but the power increase is a rare example
of one.
SMS
> There ya go! ANyone who comes to a different conclusion is considered a
> "shill" for iBiquity!
I have much more experience in the broadcast industry than Mr. Farce,
but I don't work for any of those organizations.
Eric Weaver
> Most stations have sufficient headroom for the power increase, and the
> cost of equipment for such an increase is very low. Many stations that
> held off on HD until now are now planning to deploy HD once the power
> increase is official.
What is your source for this?
RP
Wrong.
> A number of HD stations have turned HD off.
A few have. Then again, I recall a few that would turn off their stereo
carrier.
> I suggest you search FCC Docket 99-325
> and look at iBiquity's most recent filing. Their coverage charts show
> that even a -10db power increase makes little difference.
The power increase should make the HD signals equivalent to their analog
signal.
> Thf FCC has yet to rule on any power increase.
But your much touted "NPR Labs" is recommending it!
> PRP just filed showing that NPR's tests did not include the affects on
> LPFMs
LPFM's are basically incidental stations. A step above Part 15.
John Higdon
Eric Weaver <we...@sigma.net> wrote:
I hope it is not iBiquity because that company tends to manufacture data
and buzz. Word on the "broadcast street" is that it is actually putting
some stations off (like mine), being another example of how the
"standards" seem to keep changing, especially when the costs are so high
to implement it in the first place.
As far as the costs go, for many stations it literally amounts to
ripping out the IBOC equipment they have and starting over. I would
hardly put this in the "very low cost" category.
Bottom line: I, too, would like to know the source for this notion that
stations will now flock to install IBOC now that the cost of
implementing it has gone UP. It certainly doesn't reflect the feeling
among my peers in the industry.
--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last
Eric Weaver
> As far as the costs go, for many stations it literally amounts to
> ripping out the IBOC equipment they have and starting over. I would
> hardly put this in the "very low cost" category.
I know of one small station that is considering putting in IBOC but
waiting for the final power level to be decided. That one at least now
has a dual antenna system...
HD Radio Farce
"Warp Factor 6, Mr. Scott"
"To wit, how many existing installations will have sufficient headroom
to implement the increase without significant retooling of
transmission hardware?.. Some simply won't make it with their existing
transmitters, and plant cooling capacity will also have to be bumped
up along with electrical power mains service, and back-up generating
plant output... Those using high level combining schemes will face
similar issues, as reject loads, digital transmitters, etc., will all
have to be upsized... One thing's for certain: approval of a 6dB HD
digital boost will mean lots of extra hours, as managers and owners
task their engineers with delivering a wee bit more digital drive
without melting down already overheated corporate budgets. For many,
actually making it happen is likely to be an agonizing process."
Really?
RP
HD Radio Farce
> In article <4b16ae35$0$1586$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
Many of the larger broadcasters are looking at bankruptcy, and/or in
serious financial trouble. Very few are going to retool/replace
complete transmission systems, plus upgrading, yet again, cooling
systems, curent and backup power supplies, plus double their already
"upgraded" power bills, due to this faulty "technology". It's all for
lining the pockets of iBiquity, and their investors, and jamming LPFms
further off the dial.
HD Radio Farce
> "HD Radio Farce" <hdradiofa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:cbabe7b0-6ea0-4491...@e20g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Check iBqiuty's 99-325 recent filing - a -10db will make little
difference. it's actually a joke...
John Higdon
Eric Weaver <we...@sigma.net> wrote:
Unfortunately, many tests have confirmed that the ratio between the
analog and IBOC carriers must be held stable for mobile reception. This
is something I discovered very early on. Subsequent tests have revealed
this to be true, particularly with the vertical signal component.
I guess it need not be pointed out that this would be impossible to
achieve with two antennas. I have never considered using separate
antennas in hybrid mode for this very reason. The best way I can imagine
to do it if one is expecting future changes in the IBOC level would be
to use one of ERI's dual-input antennas and no external combiner.
Some stations have taken a far more simplified approach to the IBOC
question.
RP
On Dec 2, 1:26?pm, John Higdon <hi...@kome.com> wrote:
> In article <4b16ae35$0$1586$742ec...@news.sonic.net>,
True....but bankruptcy does not mean the stations are going dark, they will
continue to operate as competitively as they can.
> Very few are going to retool/replace complete transmission systems....
Wrong. Example, CBS is in financial trouble, yet they are putting a lot of
finances behind their HD efforts.
> due to this faulty "technology".
It's only faulty to those who don't understand it, and it's place in the
industry now.
> It's all for lining the pockets of iBiquity, and their investors
Apparently most of the major broadcasters dont agree that's is "all for
lining the pockets of iBiquity". They wouldn't be spending money on it if
they didn't see a benefit.
Also, don't most businesses operate to make a profit, for them and their
investors? That's the way the business world works.
> and jamming LPFms further off the dial.
Is this what we're getting at? DX-ing on the senior band. Is your bias
that you fear for LPFM?
LPFM is a incidental radio...and a step above Part 15.
RP
> carrier.
>
> > I suggest you search FCC Docket 99-325
> > and look at iBiquity's most recent filing. Their coverage charts show
> > that even a -10db power increase makes little difference.
>
> The power increase should make the HD signals equivalent to their analog
> signal.
>
> > Thf FCC has yet to rule on any power increase.
>
> But your much touted "NPR Labs" is recommending it!
>
> > PRP just filed showing that NPR's tests did not include the affects on
> > LPFMs
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Check iBqiuty's 99-325 recent filing - a -10db will make little
> difference. it's actually a joke...
The power increase should make the HD signals equivalent to their analog
signal.
HD Radio Farce
> "HD Radio Farce" <hdradiofa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:5824fce4-8d2b-4c1a...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
It won't, and most stations will not be able to do it, so yours is a
moot-point.
HD Radio Farce
> "HD Radio Farce" <hdradiofa...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:84425802-ef25-4c93...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Some broadcasters are turning of HD, so it's hardly in place. Congress
and the FCC are starting to back LPFMs much more, and there is a bill
in-place in Congress to expand LPFMs.
SMS
> Wrong. Example, CBS is in financial trouble, yet they are putting a lot of
> finances behind their HD efforts.
The reason is that the cost of deploying HD is lost in the noise when
you look at the profits (or even the losses) of the typical station. It
may not seem cheap to an outsider in the industry like Mr. Farce, but
it's chump change for most of these stations, especially when they
consider the potential revenue stream once HD reaches critical mass.
Another issue to consider is that XM/Sirrus may not be around for much
longer. They almost went under earlier this year and were saved at the
last minute by Liberty Media, but that was a temporary financial fix,
and they continue to hemorrhage cash. If satellite radio goes dark then
there will be an opportunity for another higher quality OTA music
source, and HD fits the bill quite nicely. Stations want to be ready for HD.
I concede that there may be some smaller independent stations that are
barely hanging on in this economy with advertising revenue drying up,
but they would be likely to fail or be sold with or without deploying HD.
HD Radio Farce
iBiquity is still not profitable, either. Major chains have turned off
HD:
"They’re turning off HD in Washington, DC"
"Well, this time it’s not an anomaly or a digital exciter glitch — at
least not that we can see. For weeks now the Washington, DC market has
been turning off its HD Radio signals en masse. There is no longer any
station in the market on AM broadcasting in HD. ESPN Deportes Radio/
Red Zebra’s 730 WXTR-AM long ago shut off the signal. But now that
list includes 630 WMAL (Citadel); 570 WTNT (Clear Channel); Red
Zebra’s 980 ESPN Radio; and 1500 WFED-AM (Bonneville). The FM list now
includes 106.7 WJFK-FM (CBS Radio); 102.3 WWMJ-FM (Radio One); 104.1
WPRS-FM (Radio One) and 107.7 WWWT-FM (Bonneville)."
http://www.rbr.com/radio/12018.html
You can bet it is happening elsewhere. Cumulus is backing away from
HD Radio:
"CUMULUS MEDIA INC."
"In December 2004, the Company purchased 240 perpetual licenses from
iBiquity Digital Corporation, which will enable it to convert to and
utilize digital broadcasting technology on 240 of its stations. Under
the terms of the agreement, the Company committed to convert the 240
stations over a seven year period. On March 5, 2009, the Company
entered into an amendment to its agreement with iBiquity to reduce the
number of planned conversions, extend the build-out schedule, and
increase the license fees to be paid for each converted station. In
the event the Company does not fulfill the conversion requirements
within the period set forth in the agreement or otherwise modify the
rollout schedule, once the conversions are completed the Company will
be subject to license fees higher than those currently provided for
under the agreement."
Smaller markets will not convert:
"Will Small Markets Convert to HD Radio? Survey Suggests Not Soon"
"McIntyre asked them whether the stations intended to convert their
facilities in the next 12 months; he also made queries about
multicasting, HD-R receiver availability and station promotion of
IBOC. Of the 100, he received 50 surveys back. Of those, only one
station had converted to HD-R. Eighty-six percent of the remaining
respondents indicated it would be highly unlikely or somewhat unlikely
they would convert their stations over the next 12 months, according
to his report. Six percent indicated it would be neither likely nor
unlikely, and only 6% indicated it would be likely, he told me."
http://www.radioworld.com/article/9396
Conversions have stalled, as has iBiquity.
HD Radio Farce
Satrad is expanding to Europe in the next few years. General Motors is
making Internet availability standard. Chrysyler is installing
Internet.
HD Radio Farce
It's not just chump-change, when most of them are facing bankruptcy.
HD Radio Farce
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Apparently most of the major broadcasters dont agree that's is "all for lining the pockets of iBiquity". They wouldn't be spending money on it if they didn't see a benefit.
“HD Radio on the Offense”
"But after an investigation of HD Radio units, the stations playing
HD, and the company that owns the technology; and some interviews with
the wonks in DC, it looks like HD Radio is a high-level corporate
scam, a huge carny shill... Between the high prices, poor listening
options, homogenized content, and a decade and a half of FCC dealings
that went into this monopoly, critics are calling the move to digital
radio a 'catastrophe' and a 'complete giveaway' to behemoths such as
CBS... All the major radio players, such as Clear Channel
Communications, are iBiquity investors. Which means Clear Channel is
paying itself for the right to broadcast, and every mom-and-pop
station that wants to go digital also has pay the big boys. Nice
setup!"
The larger broadcasters are in on the scam.
David Kaye
>
>> Wrong. Example, CBS is in financial trouble, yet they are putting a lot of
>> finances behind their HD efforts.
If CBS is in financial trouble why did they declare a DIVIDEND this past
quarter? From most gauges, CBS looks very good, which is why I'm back in CBS
stock once again. They've also tripled in price since their low last May. I
think that says something about the longterm viability of CBS.
SMS
Despite the recession, the long term economic forecast for broadcasters
is good. Their spectrum is a property that goes up in value because no
more of it is being made. Embracing HD is an extremely wise financial
move. The broadcasters that put their heads in the sand are going to
greatly regret not wisely using all the spectrum they have in the most
efficient way. Expect to see the smaller broadcasters that don't move to
HD be acquired as their audience share and market value declines.
HD Radio Farce
You must work for iBiquity. Most of the major radio groups are in deep
financial trouble:
"Radio's Untold Bankruptcy"
http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2009/11/radios-untold-bankruptcy.html
No one is buying HD radios. HD Radio is nothing but a financial drain
on broadcasters, with no forseeable ROI.
HD Radio Farce
"2009 To Bring HD Death Rattles?"
"Thus, if there is any force that might bring down HD Radio, it will
be the marketplace... There are several signs that the marketplace is
now beginning to act: Stock in publicly-traded radio companies are at
all-time lows; most are trading under $1 a share... With the economy
in deep recession, and radio companies desperately looking for ways to
curb costs, does it seem prudent for any station manager to sink money
into a technology that has yet to provide any tangible returns? This
is much different from the wait-and-see approach of most stations -
the fact that early-adopters of HD may be bailing can't be good."
http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0109.htm#011509
Really?
RP
It will! ...as many of the top Chief Engineers in the country agree!
And your technical qualifications to challenge them are what??? Your years
of experience in the business is what? But continue to carry on an
anonynmous challenge to some of the smartest radio engineers in the country.
RP
> iBiquity is still not profitable, either.
MOST radio is not profitable. LOL!
> Major chains have turned off HD:
Wrong.
> Conversions have stalled, as has iBiquity.
They are making inroads with automakers all the time!
RP
> finances behind their HD efforts.
>
> > due to this faulty "technology".
>
> It's only faulty to those who don't understand it, and it's place in the
> industry now.
>
> > It's all for lining the pockets of iBiquity, and their investors
>
> Apparently most of the major broadcasters dont agree that's is "all for
> they didn't see a benefit.
>
> Also, don't most businesses operate to make a profit, for them and their
>
> > and jamming LPFms further off the dial.
>
> that you fear for LPFM?
>
> LPFM is a incidental radio...and a step above Part 15.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Some broadcasters are turning of HD, so it's hardly in place.
"Some"...and some turned off their stereo generators too! LOL!
> Congress and the FCC are starting to back LPFMs much more, and there is a
> bill
in-place in Congress to expand LPFMs.<
And politicians are going to decide what is good broadcast policy? LOL!
They are the ones that got us into this current mess with the Telcomm Act!
RP
> Satrad is expanding to Europe in the next few years. General Motors is
> making Internet availability standard. Chrysyler is installing
> Internet.
When can I buy a car that has internet? WHich Chrysler vehicle has internet
as a standard option?
Ummmm...NONE!
You are claiming that iBiquity is stalled....yet you calim the reason is
"internet in the car"...which is not available!
You also claim the price of chips for HD radios is prohibitive. Then you
claim the answer is internet in the cars...with a monthly access fee!
LOL!
RP
"David Kaye" <sfdavi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hf7blu$vg8$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
It is true, they are doing better than most. Considering where there stock
price was...it has recovered a bit, but they are not out of the woods yet.
But the company that is "better than most" is putting effort and capital
behind HD radio.
>
RP
> >>> finances behind their HD efforts.
>
> > past
> > quarter? ?From most gauges, CBS looks very good, which is why I'm back
> > in CBS
> > stock once again. ?They've also tripled in price since their low last
> > May. ?I
> > think that says something about the longterm viability of CBS.
>
> Despite the recession, the long term economic forecast for broadcasters
> is good. Their spectrum is a property that goes up in value because no
> more of it is being made. Embracing HD is an extremely wise financial
> move. The broadcasters that put their heads in the sand are going to
> greatly regret not wisely using all the spectrum they have in the most
> efficient way. Expect to see the smaller broadcasters that don't move to
> HD be acquired as their audience share and market value declines.
>You must work for iBiquity.
Of course! Anyone who disagrees with HD RADIO FARTZ must work for iBiquity!
That's so much easier adn more convenient than being open to others ideas
and opinions! LOL!
RP
> >>> finances behind their HD efforts.
>
> > past
> > quarter? ?From most gauges, CBS looks very good, which is why I'm back
> > in CBS
> > stock once again. ?They've also tripled in price since their low last
> > May. ?I
> > think that says something about the longterm viability of CBS.
>
> Despite the recession, the long term economic forecast for broadcasters
> is good. Their spectrum is a property that goes up in value because no
> more of it is being made. Embracing HD is an extremely wise financial
> move. The broadcasters that put their heads in the sand are going to
> greatly regret not wisely using all the spectrum they have in the most
> efficient way. Expect to see the smaller broadcasters that don't move to
> HD be acquired as their audience share and market value declines.
> "2009 To Bring HD Death Rattles?"
You must run a LPFM! LOL!
SMS
> But the company that is "better than most" is putting effort and capital
> behind HD radio.
That's true, but the capital needed for HD is so small that it's lost in
the noise, and has virtually no effect on their bottom line.
I can see how small independent stations that are barely getting by
right now might see the small investment in equipment for HD as a
barrier to entry. These station will not survive long anyway, and will
be bought out by better capitalized operators. There's an upside for
them to oppose HD in general because their lack of deployment of HD puts
them at a competitive disadvantage. I suspect that that's the type of
station that Higdon now works for.
SMS
Can you imagine every vehicle with a internet connection streaming audio
to their car? You think that AT&T is overloaded now, you ain't seen
nothing yet. And of course internet connectivity, even 2G, is not
ubiquitous even in urban areas. You're going to have to have a lot of
buffering to get by all the dead spots without interruption.
It makes even less sense that satellite radio, at least for now. With
LTE it might make more sense, but it's going to be very costly in the
early years.
HD Radio Farce
"The Problem Isn't Demand, It's Bandwidth"
"Should we all be concerned that the days of the 1,000-foot tower are
gone and that anyone with a computer and an Internet connection is a
possible new competitor? Will radio as we know it become just another
feature of cell phones? Will in-car Internet give commuters millions
of station choices? The answer is no. The problem for such platforms
isn't consumer demand. It's bandwidth. In short, the greatest appeal
of Internet radio remains its most fundamental problem: the
requirement that every user have a separate, custom-per-user data
stream. As long as this requirement remains, over-the-air radio need
not be concerned about meaningful encroachment from the Internet."
"Multimedia Broadcast Multicast Service"
"Multimedia Broadcast Multicast Service (MBMS) is a broadcasting
service that can be offered via existing GSM and UMTS cellular
networks... MBMS uses multicast distribution in the core network
instead of point-to-point links for each end device. MBMS will start
to be rolled out in cellular networks during 2008... The broadcast
capability enables to reach unlimited number of users with constant
network load. Further it also enables the possibility to broadcast
information simultaneously to many cellular subscribers for example
emergency alerts... Cellular TV Broadcasting and MS will give the
cellular service providers a very considerable return on their
investment in 3G licences and will bring forward the launch of 4G."
The same argument over the percieved lack of bandwidth was tried by
Frank McCoy, but we ripped him a new asshole, as I have just done to
you - LOL!
HD Radio Farce
"New Money for iBiquity"
July 2009
"According to a Securities and Exchange Form D filed earlier this
week, iBiquity raised $42,477,641 through securities sales, receiving
half in cash and the other half in existing shares of stock in an
exchange offer. Radio groups who ponied in more money include CBS,
Entercom, Radio One and Clear Channel. Other long-term investors
include Grotech Ventures, FirstMark Capital, New Venture Partners and
Union Square Ventures. IBiquity last raised $14,844,998 in March of
2008, according to SEC records. The Baltimore Business Journal
estimates iBiquity has raised at least $172 million over the past 10
years."
http://www.radioworld.com/article/84660
The latest round of iBiquity financing came with "strings attached".
investors won't wait much longer. I've gotten a number of hits on my
blog from iBiquity investors, including Ford, and Price Waterhouse
Coopers who Struble was talking with recently about an IPO - good-luck
with that - LOL!
RP
>>
The latest round of iBiquity financing came with "strings attached".
investors won't wait much longer. I've gotten a number of hits on my
blog from iBiquity investors, including Ford, and Price Waterhouse
Coopers who Struble was talking with recently about an IPO - good-luck
with that - LOL!
<<
Yes, that anonymous blog & comments by someone with no
qualifications...THAT'LL scare off investors!
LOL!
RP
> The same argument over the percieved lack of bandwidth was tried by
> Frank McCoy, but we ripped him a new asshole, as I have just done to
> you - LOL!
You haven't ripped anyone....just your own ego.
You are proposing internet radio....when it is not available.
Nice try.
HD Radio Farce
General Motors is doing it right now - nice try.
RP
At an exorbitant price...making it prohibitive.
Most people dont want to pay for Satellite radio...and you think it's
probable they will pay the huge price just to have internet in the car!
LOL!
HD Radio looks better and better all the time!