SGBM Points for Consideration

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Sanjeev Chhikara

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Sep 6, 2018, 2:32:31 AM9/6/18
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Dear Members,


Agenda Points : SGBM on 09 Sep2018


1. Transfer/Disposal of Apartment. The following points must be considered in the SGBM scheduled on 03 Jun 2016: 

    a)   After possession - sale of the apartment/DU will be as per terms and conditions of eligibility and applicability as     announced during the launch of the project, as per the AWHO rules.


    b)  As per AWHO sale to only Army personnel is applicable in respect of DUs/projects planned after 01 Jan 2014.


    c)  In case of AWHO-Greater Noida Project,  the disposal of apartments/DUs will be as per Para 80 to 82 of the     Master Brochure Jul 87 (as amended upto 29 Feb 2004).  Para 80 (b) of the Master Brochure  quote "the allottee     may be permitted to sell his DU to any one (civilians) after three years from the date of possession or one year from the date of     retirement, which is earlier.  No other restriction will apply".

    

    d)   To amend the bye-laws, Prior Approval of AWHO is must.


    (E) In view of above, the bye- laws can not amend the above terms and conditions for Disposal of     Apartment/DUs.

(f)  directions of the Registrar must be implemented by the RWA  in this matter which clearly and unambiguously states that the DU owners have absolute right to sell/purchase/renting...they can sell/rent their property to any Indian citizen.....RWA’s role is restricted to common area maintenance and management....RWA has no role whatsoever in managing the individual DUs and why should RWA act like property brokers? RWA must not further the interest of select few.....one thing must be very clear that the defence related facilities (csd, ECHS etc) can only be utilised by people entitled for the same......not by civilian residents or tenants. 


2.  Payment of amount equal to 2% of transfer/sale value to the RWA for obtaining "No Dues Certificate" is illegal and unjustified and amounts almost blackmailing the non resident owners. Should be objected......directions of the Registrar must be implemented by the RWA and not more than 0.5% be charged by either AWHO or RWA.......both agencies must not act like brokers.


3.  Certain clauses are framed just to favour only resident members and grossly against the non resident members.  Non resident members must object all such clauses with all force. 


4.  Quorum.  It can not be restricted to presence of one third of the living members only.  This is the major reason that views of non resident are ignored and they are put in total disadvantage.. An owner is legal member and his vote has equal weightage whether he resident or non resident member. Even a non resident member enjoys each and equal right in the society at par with the resident members, no one should have any doubts in it.And lastly, every allotted of the society is equal member irrespective of rank structure of the armed forces (be he a sepoy or a General), we all must understand this fact for better community living. 

  1. Construction of School.....let the AWHO handle it.


Pardon me if I have harsh in use of language.

Regards to all Members


Sanjeev



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devendrakjoshi

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Sep 6, 2018, 8:01:08 PM9/6/18
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Certain issues are fine, but sale to civilian citizens is not an idea that should be accepted.

Some of us for the sake of more money want to create the mess that Noida is in.



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Kiraninder Brar

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Sep 6, 2018, 9:58:00 PM9/6/18
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Agree with all the points.
Regards. 

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arun gupta

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Sep 6, 2018, 10:15:46 PM9/6/18
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Totally in agreement. There should be no question of selling to civilians and making our beautiful place a hell.

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Brig Arun

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Sanjeev Chhikara

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Sep 6, 2018, 10:40:22 PM9/6/18
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One ha to go by builder buyers agreement and it is beyond RWA charter 

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Kiraninder Brar

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Sep 6, 2018, 10:42:31 PM9/6/18
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Directions of registrar given are absolutely right. 
We are all part of civil society. 
So were our generations before us. They didn't make any society a hell. 
They helped build our nation and what we are today.

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devendrakjoshi

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Sep 6, 2018, 11:13:51 PM9/6/18
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Probably some of us with vested interests.
There are societies which are closed to members of other communities. Army land can't be sold to civilians, nor leased to other govt agencies. So there is no harm in blocking the sale to civilians.

We are just keeping our society within the norms of society that we have served in for more than 30 years each.

So, I would always be against selling to civilians.

We can amend bye laws accordingly.



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Kiraninder Brar

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Sep 7, 2018, 12:31:11 AM9/7/18
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Can selling your own property be called vested interests !!!

Nats

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Sep 7, 2018, 12:43:50 AM9/7/18
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Dear sirs,


At some point of time everyone in uniform today was a civilian and am sure less than 5 % of our children will be joining the forces .. hence why this issue .. 

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devendrakjoshi

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Sep 7, 2018, 1:03:56 AM9/7/18
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Yes, our children may not be faujis but they have been bred in our social fabric of the forces. 
They will not be selling to civilians either.

Sanjeev Chhikara

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Sep 7, 2018, 1:22:24 PM9/7/18
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Sorry, this is not Army land. We have paid for it and we booked under terms and conditions as given in the AWHO master brochure (applicable when the scheme was launched in 1997). The owners have absolute authority to sell/rent their property to any Indian citizen...Did RWA pay for our property? RWA has no role in sale/purchase of the flats except for issuing ‘No Dues Certificate ‘? 

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Kiraninder Brar

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Sep 7, 2018, 1:52:48 PM9/7/18
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Very true

Ashwin Yadav

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Sep 7, 2018, 11:39:29 PM9/7/18
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Dear Sirs,
1. I am joining this discussion for the first time.As mentioned above by some of the members we should take a balanced decision not biased towards anyone segment(resident vs non resident.)
2. Consideration for right of non resident members to sell their property under basic Norms prevailing in such other AWHO/govt societies (as a queue) needs to be taken.Amending bye laws unilaterally will not be correct.The approach has to be inclusive of all view points.
3.We need to consider that we are part of society as a whole and interactions with civilian s is inevitable.If we restrict sale only to Army,ex Army personnel it may result in undue advantage to the buyer due to restricted base.This is not purely from monetary point of view but with a perspective of setting a correct precedence.
4.I appreciate the concern of resident members but the solution lies in taking along the entire team without undue advantage to any one party in particular as we have been taught in spirit of the service.
5.The above points have been stated based on my limited service experience (15 yrs), so senior Offrs including retired Offrs may please excuse me if I have hurt any sentiments.
Regards to all members,
Lt Col Ashwin Yadav
(Son of Owner Mrs Romila Yadav, Flat 3E-501)
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