feminists please
Alicia Bennett
NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
into hiding, because you are no where to be found. I would
really like to get involved and I'm not quite sure this is the
right place to be looking, but I'm new at this computer stuff,
and I'm notr quite sure where to do all this....SO, if you're
out there and are in or know of a group of people who believe
in the advancment of the recognition, respect and right of Women,
please respond. Thank you.
AB
Jacob Kornerup
Alicia Bennett <a...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
>NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
>into hiding, because you are no where to be found.
You bet ! we beat our women into submission, ever heard of "The Stepford
Wives"... :-) (for the humor-impaired)
NOW can be reached at 476-0486
Welcome to Austin,
Jacob
P.S. I bet your posting will act as a red flag on some of the more "right"
tilting posters to austin.general
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Jacob Kornerup (korn...@cs.utexas.edu) Vir prudens non contra
Department of Computer Sciences ventum mengit :-)
University of Texas, Austin
William S. Rowell
: So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
: into hiding, because you are no where to be found.
Whew! I'm glad my organized oppression is working.
Just remember, men, every morning wake up and say to yourself "I will
keep womyn down! I will keep womyn down! I will..."
Ms. Bennett will sure fit in well here.
Amused...
Seth
Alicia Bennett
>
>So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
>NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
>into hiding, because you are no where to be found.
NOTE
The word patriarch does not include all men...
merely those who believe in the expliotation and degredation
of women. AB
Christopher Phillips
Webster agrees with you.
> merely those who believe in the expliotation and degredation
> of women. AB
Webster disagrees with you. But then what does he know? He
doesn't even know what ``expliotation'' and ``degredation'' are.
He? He??? Oh my gosh, that explains it. He's a guy! :-)
Chris
charles...@amd.com
NOTE
"group of people who believe
in the advancment of the recognition, respect and right of Women"
does not include feminists...
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Greg Nudd
deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
level playing field.
Perhaps you guys ought to go to church or therapy instead of spending
your time on spelling flames.
Greg Nudd
Christopher Phillips
>I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
>deep anxiety about their own inadequacies.
Who said anything about fear or hatred? I just object (not that it
doesn't work, mind you) to the redefinition of terms to push one's
agenda.
>Their tiny minds cannot deal
>with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
>level playing field.
To the contrary, women have been given preferential hiring treatment
with at least one employer I was associated with. YMMV.
>Perhaps you guys ought to go to church or therapy instead of spending
>your time on spelling flames.
Did they work for you? :-)
Chris
Aditya Mishra
My rules to avoid the temptation to flame:
Professional charities actually spend very little of the money for the needy.
Professional politicians actually spend very little time for the people.
Professional "male chauvinists" actually speak for very few men.
Professional "feminists" actually speak for very few women.
Professional "me" speaks for only myself !
Tom McDonald
Sorry, my trolling friend, you don't get to define the word. Ask Seth, he
can look it up for you.
Tom McDonald
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William S. Rowell
: Sorry, my trolling friend, you don't get to define the word. Ask Seth, he
: can look it up for you.
I'm not sure exactly how, but I'm sure this was some kind of insult. :-)
I'm actually too busy with this glass ceiling I'm working on here...
Seth
William S. Rowell
: I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
: deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
: with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
: level playing field.
I've found that most women who fear/despise men are... never mind...
For the record, I'm a firm believer in equality. But there's a world of
difference between equality and the "all heterosexual sex is rape" crowd.
Of course, in any movement, right or left, it's the fringe lunatics that
most people come to think of first, unfortunately.
Seth
wharfie
Oh, really.
wharfie
> The word patriarch does not include all men...
> merely those who believe in the expliotation and degredation
Just like that guy from Alice in Wonderland: "Words mean what
I want them to mean"...
Remember what the dormouse said?
charles...@amd.com
> In article <CvI99...@txnews.amd.com>, <charles...@amd.com> wrote:
> <NOTE
> < "group of people who believe
> <does not include feminists...
> Sorry, my trolling friend, you don't get to define the word. Ask Seth, he
> can look it up for you.
And to which of the above words might you be referring?
As for looking it up, thanks to Seth, but I've got Digital Webster
on a NeXT.. I'm just a mouse-click away.
--
personal opinions
Craig Becker
gn...@bga.com (Greg Nudd) writes:
> pef...@chpc.utexas.edu (Christopher Phillips) writes:
> > In article <3462nq$p...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> > Alicia Bennett <a...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > merely those who believe in the expliotation and degredation
> >
> > Webster disagrees with you. But then what does he know? He
> > doesn't even know what ``expliotation'' and ``degredation'' are.
> >
> > He? He??? Oh my gosh, that explains it. He's a guy! :-)
>
Heh heh heh...reminds me of that Callahan cartoon: "This is a _feminist_
bookstore! We don't _have_ a humor section!"
Craig
Not the opinion of my employer.
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rl...@cornell.edu
> NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
>...I'm new at this computer stuff, and I'm not quite sure where to do all >this....
Oh Alicia, poor thing, if you're new to this stuff then you probably
didn't expect you'd get 15 (and counting) responses, with only one
addressing your simple request for information.
I've considered myself a feminist since I was about 15, and I'm *still*
taken by surprise each time I'm reminded that, for much of the population,
"feminist" is a dirty word. I'm still not sure why the concept of equality
for women is alarming, or why postings like yours elicit wink-wink,
nudge-nudge, we've-got-a-real-live-one-here-huh-guys dialog among (male)
net users.
Your message caught my eye because this whole thing has been on my mind
lately. Recently I visited a gentleman with whom I had struck up a brief
summer romance. We spent 10 days together and on the way to the airport he
asked the question in that all-too-familiar tone of voice: "So...are you
a...feminist?" (Implying, You're not one of THOSE, are you? Good God,
WHY?) Of course I am, I said. Silence as he struggled to understand, to
find words to challenge me (good god, why?) while still being polite.
Is it me, or is this scenario frustratingly familiar? I'm thinking I
ought to put together some sort of FAQ in explanation of my feminist
beliefs that I could hand out on just such occasions. :-) People who ask
that question don't seem to understand that I can't give them a 10-second
answer.
What is the PROBLEM here? Is it that these educated, well-meaning men
(and ometimes women) think feminist principles are somehow unnecessary,
because they believe equality was achieved decades ago?
Alicia, how do we even begin to explain from ground zero?
Robinne Gray
rl...@cornell.edu
Ithaca, NY
Austin fan (still) thinking of relocating
Steve Manifold
Rick Shank
>> So I get to Austin, and I would really like to find the local
>> NOW chapter, but I guess the local patriarchs have forced you
>> into hiding, because you are no where to be found...
>>...I'm new at this computer stuff, and I'm not quite sure where to do all >this....
>
> I've considered myself a feminist since I was about 15, and I'm *still*
>taken by surprise each time I'm reminded that, for much of the population,
>"feminist" is a dirty word. I'm still not sure why the concept of equality
>for women is alarming, or why postings like yours elicit wink-wink,
>nudge-nudge, we've-got-a-real-live-one-here-huh-guys dialog among (male)
>net users.
>
>
> What is the PROBLEM here? Is it that these educated, well-meaning men
>(and ometimes women) think feminist principles are somehow unnecessary,
>because they believe equality was achieved decades ago?
>
> Alicia, how do we even begin to explain from ground zero?
The problem is not generally with the concept of equality but rather with the
concept of 'all men are trash' mentality. Just as all feminists do not subscribe
to the all men are trash philosophy, all men do not ascribe to treat women as
if they are less. More often than not, if you jump up and proclaim you are
a feminist (read in most circles as a man hater), most men will run for the
hills. If you instead just proclaim some of your beliefs as they arise in
a relationship, you will more than likely receive honest agreement or debate
(pleasant hopefully) from any worthwhile man. I personally would rather be
with a woman who defines herself by what she believes in rather than what her
favorite organization believes in (ie feminist, Republican, Democrat, Christian,
Jew, right-to-lifer, etc.). I also hope to find a woman who is looking for a
man who cuts his own path. Right and wrong are virtually never proprietary
to any organization.
Just my opinion. It's worth what you paid for it.
Devi Nair
Any recommendations for a piano instructor in the Austin area?
I am considering both private and group lessons.
Thanks,
Devi
phone - 602-6860
email - devi...@amd.com
James Roberts
Greg Nudd (gn...@bga.com) wrote:
: I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
^^^^^^^^
: deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
: with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
: level playing field.
: Perhaps you guys ought to go to church or therapy instead of spending
: your time on spelling flames.
: Greg Nudd
Mr. Nudd, I pray that you will eternally slave under man-hater women
that knife you in the back at every turn. Working for 'some women' can
be an absolute bitch!
I support any woman that works hard and wants to be treated fairly.
Most modern 'feminists' are actually lesbains.
^^^^
James Roberts
David Smith
>(and ometimes women) think feminist principles are somehow unnecessary,
>because they believe equality was achieved decades ago?
Theory # 1 -- the label 'feminism' has been reclaimed and redefined by
the Rush Limbaughs and Pat Robertsons of the world into a caricature
so vile that of course no one wants to be associated with it.
Theory # 2 -- The political leadership of feminism has fallen out of
touch with what women want today. Betty Friedan lived in a different
world. The 1960s have played itself out. It's now time for what is
being called "The Third Wave" of feminism to take over and assert
itself. I don't think women respond well to the phrase "equality".
What is it? What does mean? How do I know if I have achieved it or
not?
Respect, on the other hand, is a different story.
>
> Alicia, how do we even begin to explain from ground zero?
>
>Robinne Gray
>rl...@cornell.edu
>Ithaca, NY
>Austin fan (still) thinking of relocating
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wharfie
>> the local patriarchs have forced you into hiding
Listen, if you parrot dated dogma you've got to expect to be treated
like a birdbrain.
It's not the concept of equality that's alarming. It's how
some people seem to define equality, ala' Napoleon and the rest of the
pigs.
"All animals were created equal, but some are more equal than
others."
> What is the PROBLEM here? Is it that these educated, well-meaning men
>(and ometimes women) think feminist principles are somehow unnecessary,
Well, *this* educated, well-meaning man thinks that feminist
principles are just so much sexist bigotry disguised as political
correctness.
Liberty and justice for all, not just for the people with
acceptable gender.
wr
Thomas E. Bernhard
>From: de...@nucleus.amd.com (Devi Nair)
>Subject: Piano instructor
>Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 20:08:45 GMT
>Thanks,
We use Haruko Reese. She's an excellent Suziki teacher. My daughter has been
taking lessons from her for 3 years now. She's located in Brushy Creek (off
620 near Round Rock). If you can't find her phone number, let me know.
--teb
Thomas E. Bernhard t...@bga.com
Neil Feiereisel
>
>Any recommendations for a piano instructor in the Austin area?
>I am considering both private and group lessons.
>
My wife teaches piano. We live in Anderson Mill West off of 620 (between 2222
and 183). Call Jennifer Feiereisel at 918-9273 if you're interested. She's
got more than 15 years teaching experience, with all age groups and levels.
Neil Feiereisel
ne...@natinst.com
Tim Devick
>
> Greg Nudd (gn...@bga.com) wrote:
> : I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
> ^^^^^^^^
> : deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
> : with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
> : level playing field.
>
> : Perhaps you guys ought to go to church or therapy instead of spending
> : your time on spelling flames.
>
> : Greg Nudd
>
> Mr. Nudd, I pray that you will eternally slave under man-hater women
> that knife you in the back at every turn. Working for 'some women' can
> be an absolute bitch!
Working for 'some men' can be a real bitch too. Men are equally, if
not more, capable of being a pain in the ass to work for than women. I
think few feminists are "man haters".
> I support any woman that works hard and wants to be treated fairly.
> Most modern 'feminists' are actually lesbains.
> ^^^^
I think most feminists are _not_ lesbian. It is possible that many
lesbians are feminists, but is not necessarily true that most
feminists are lesbian.
Even so, let's suppose for the moment that this _were_ true, just for
the sake of argument - suppose that _"most" feminists were lesbian.
That proves nothing, or are you implying that lesbians are all man-
haters? Just because a woman loves another woman doesn't mean she
hates men! The lesbians I have known (not that many, but more than
one), don't hate men.
--
Tim Devick dev...@turtle.fisher.com
David Smith
Tim Devick <dev...@turtle.fisher.com> wrote:
>
>Even so, let's suppose for the moment that this _were_ true, just for
>the sake of argument - suppose that _"most" feminists were lesbian.
>That proves nothing, or are you implying that lesbians are all man-
>haters? Just because a woman loves another woman doesn't mean she
>hates men! The lesbians I have known (not that many, but more than
>one), don't hate men.
>
The criticism is that the lesbian agenda has hijacked the feminist
political agenda such that many women no longer feel that "feminism"
serves them.
>--
>
>Tim Devick dev...@turtle.fisher.com
suz...@netcom.com
: Seth
Jesus Christ! The woman asked for a god-damned telephone number! If you
happen to know the number, fine, post it! If not, keep your namby pamby
piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet remarks to your
little selves, okay? Jeeez..... Now back to your regulary scheduled
deviant bashing.... :)
Suzie
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suz...@netcom.com
: piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet remarks to your
: little selves, okay? Jeeez..... Now back to your regulary scheduled
:
Yes, before you start bashing moi, I'd like to point out that I do indeed
realize that regularly isn't regularly spelled regulary. It's never too
late to spell check! ;)
Christopher Phillips
Suz...@netcom.com <suz...@netcom.com> wrote:
>William S. Rowell (wsro...@bga.com) wrote:
>: Greg Nudd (gn...@bga.com) wrote:
>: : I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
>: : deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
>: : with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
>: : level playing field.
>
>: I've found that most women who fear/despise men are... never mind...
>
>: For the record, I'm a firm believer in equality. But there's a world of
>: difference between equality and the "all heterosexual sex is rape" crowd.
>: Of course, in any movement, right or left, it's the fringe lunatics that
>: most people come to think of first, unfortunately.
>
>
>: Seth
>
>
>
>Jesus Christ!
I don't think he reads this newsgroup. Try over in soc.religion.christian.
>The woman asked for a god-damned telephone number! If you
>happen to know the number, fine, post it!
Somehow I doubt either Greg or Seth is a woman. Anyhow, this thread
is long past some sought-after phone number. In fact, it seems the
norm for threads to digress from the original topic. Most people
probably like that. And then, just before a thread becomes ``the
thread that wouldn't die,'' it dies. It's a beautiful thing.
Chris
charles...@amd.com
writes:
> William S. Rowell (wsro...@bga.com) wrote:
> : Greg Nudd (gn...@bga.com) wrote:
> : : I've found that most men who fear/despise feminists are suffering from
> : : deep anxiety about their own inadequacies. Their tiny minds cannot deal
> : : with the concept of a world where they have to compete with women on a
> : : level playing field.
>
> : I've found that most women who fear/despise men are... never mind...
>
> : For the record, I'm a firm believer in equality. But there's a world of
> : difference between equality and the "all heterosexual sex is rape" crowd.
> : Of course, in any movement, right or left, it's the fringe lunatics that
> : most people come to think of first, unfortunately.
>
>
> : Seth
>
>
>
> Jesus Christ! The woman asked for a god-damned telephone number! If you
> happen to know the number, fine, post it! If not, keep your namby pamby
> piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet remarks to your
> little selves, okay? Jeeez..... Now back to your regulary scheduled
> deviant bashing.... :)
Go back and read her post, Suzie. She may indeed have wanted a phone number,
but ask for a phone number was not _*ALL*_ that she did in her post.
She loaded her diminutive request to the dripping point with her man-hating
feminist propaganda. Frankly, this is all too typical of feminists, who never
miss an opportunity to overload every topic with their anti-men agenda.
So, now some folk are within the thread, discussing the relative lack of any
merit in feminism.
You want to return to "regularly scheduled deviant bashing?" Why is it that
feminists react so violently to criticism? Why do they always equate reasoned
criticism of feminism with bashing of women? Is it because, in their hearts,
they know their agenda can't stand up under the light of day?
"namby pamby piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet" indeed.
What if some man had switched the word "man" for "woman?" in your above quote?
Admit it... like all feminists, you'd be crawling all over him, fangs out,
tearing him apart for being bigotted against women.
Apparently, you don't realize you're exactly the feminist poster-child the
men's movement has been talking about for the last 20 years.
--
personal opinions
Evelyn Tumlin
>In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com (Suz...@netcom.com)
>writes:
>>
>> happen to know the number, fine, post it!
Just for the record, Jacob did this some time ago.
>> If not, keep your namby pamby
>> piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet remarks to your
>> little selves, okay? Jeeez..... Now back to your regulary scheduled
>> deviant bashing.... :)
Yeep! No comment.
>
>Go back and read her post, Suzie. She may indeed have wanted a phone number,
>but ask for a phone number was not _*ALL*_ that she did in her post.
I noticed this too. My guess is that her reference to the "patriarchy"
was intended humorously. Still, posting "male-bashing" humor in a public
forum is (or should be) just as unacceptable as the reverse, and can
reasonably be expected to cause some uproar. One point to Charles.
But...
>She loaded her diminutive request to the dripping point with her man-hating
>feminist propaganda. Frankly, this is all too typical of feminists, who never
>miss an opportunity to overload every topic with their anti-men agenda.
Speaking of propaganda....aren't we overstating ourselves just a MITE here?
Minus one to Charles.
And then...
>You want to return to "regularly scheduled deviant bashing?" Why is it that
>feminists react so violently to criticism? Why do they always equate reasoned
>criticism of feminism with bashing of women? Is it because, in their hearts,
>they know their agenda can't stand up under the light of day?
This paragraph is an interesting study in the type of thinking that leads
to these problems in the first place. Statements like "Why is it that
<group> does X?" are easy to make, badly oversimplified, and inflammatory.
Sentences that begin with "Why do they always...." are also a danger sign.
People are not consistent, in general; large groups of people still less
so. Stereotypes, however, "always" do things.
By the way, the ratio of "reasoned criticism of feminism" to noise in this
thread hasn't been as high as all that. Not that statements like "Most
feminists are lesbians" are female-bashing either. Just noise.
>"namby pamby piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet" indeed.
>
>What if some man had switched the word "man" for "woman?" in your above quote?
It would have been just as offensive as it is now.
>Admit it... like all feminists, you'd be crawling all over him, fangs out,
>tearing him apart for being bigotted against women.
Would she be wrong?
>Apparently, you don't realize you're exactly the feminist poster-child the
>men's movement has been talking about for the last 20 years.
Maybe she was just as PO'd when she wrote her posting as you were when you
wrote yours, eh, Charles?
C'mon, folks, bigotry is DAMNED ugly no matter who indulges in it, or
toward whom. Isn't dealing with individuals on an individual basis more
interesting anyway?
Cheers,
-- Lyn
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tum...@cs.utexas.edu
Even if somebody paid me for my opinions, they'd still be mine.
William S. Rowell
: Jesus Christ! The woman asked for a god-damned telephone number! If you
: piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet remarks to your
: little selves, okay? Jeeez..... Now back to your regulary scheduled
: deviant bashing.... :)
Just for the record, bitter Suzie, the feminist that posted the original
request and I have become friends and I think we both enjoy examining
other viewpoints than our own.
What I'm trying to say is, get a life. And why are you quoting Einstein
is your sig? He's a man, remember...
Seth
"I'm not sensitive, and I don't pretend to be on the Internet"
charles...@amd.com
> In article <Cw2no...@txnews.amd.com>, <charles...@amd.com> wrote:
> >In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com
(Suz...@netcom.com)
> >writes:
> >> If not, keep your namby pamby
> >> piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet remarks to your
> >> little selves, okay? Jeeez..... Now back to your regulary scheduled
> >> deviant bashing.... :)
> >"namby pamby piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet" indeed.
> >
> >What if some man had switched the word "man" for "woman?" in your above
quote?
> It would have been just as offensive as it is now.
>
> >Admit it... like all feminists, you'd be crawling all over him, fangs out,
> >tearing him apart for being bigotted against women.
>
> Would she be wrong?
She'd be a hypocrite, something of which lots (not all, but the vast majority)
of feminists are drastically guilty.
Want to bash men, fine... have at it. At least have the decency and common
honesty not to try and pass it off as a righteous liberation movement.
--
personal opinions
Diana Trent
>
> Working for 'some men' can be a real bitch too. Men are equally, if
> not more, capable of being a pain in the ass to work for than women. I
> think few feminists are "man haters".
Most men I have worked for, even the most obnxious, have not
tried to drag your personal life into their criticism of your
work, not the way women bosses can, and do. Women bosses can
be a living nightmare for women workers, far more so than
men - at least the ones I have had the misfortune to suffer
under...................
And feminism has nothing to do with it.
Janet M. Swisher
>but ask for a phone number was not _*ALL*_ that she did in her post.
>
>She loaded her diminutive request to the dripping point with her man-hating
>feminist propaganda. Frankly, this is all too typical of feminists, who never
>miss an opportunity to overload every topic with their anti-men agenda.
And some people say *feminists* have no sense of humor. You know
you've been on the net too long when you can't detect irony without
smileys. Lighten up, Chuck!
wharfie
>Lighten up, Chuck!
That's not funny.
suz...@netcom.com
: In article <Cw2no...@txnews.amd.com>, <charles...@amd.com> wrote:
: >In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com (Suz...@netcom.com)
: >writes:
: >>
: >> Jesus Christ! The woman asked for a god-damned telephone number! If you
: >> happen to know the number, fine, post it!
: Just for the record, Jacob did this some time ago.
Just for the record, I wasn't replying to Jacob... ;)
: >You want to return to "regularly scheduled deviant bashing?" Why is it that
: >feminists react so violently to criticism? Why do they always equate reasoned
: >criticism of feminism with bashing of women? Is it because, in their hearts,
: >they know their agenda can't stand up under the light of day?
I meant deviant to mean anything deviant, not feminists. As I am not a
feminist, I can hardly say how theyviolently they react to criticism...
: By the way, the ratio of "reasoned criticism of feminism" to noise in this
: thread hasn't been as high as all that. Not that statements like "Most
: feminists are lesbians" are female-bashing either. Just noise.
: >"namby pamby piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet" indeed.
: >
: >What if some man had switched the word "man" for "woman?" in your above quote?
: It would have been just as offensive as it is now.
I would have thought it was funny, aftar all, I'm not a feminist... :)
: >Admit it... like all feminists, you'd be crawling all over him, fangs out,
: >tearing him apart for being bigotted against women.
See above!
suz...@netcom.com
: Just for the record, bitter Suzie, the feminist that posted the original
: request and I have become friends and I think we both enjoy examining
: other viewpoints than our own.
: What I'm trying to say is, get a life. And why are you quoting Einstein
: is your sig? He's a man, remember...
Jeez, you boys sure get riled up easy.... Because I posted in defense of
a woman who'd asked for a number and received mulitudes of off-color
remarks means I'm bitter? Hmmmm..... If you say so! I quoted Einstein
for his brilliance, you dolt, not his gender.... And yes, I'm glad you
can freely debate differing opinions with others, it shows the maturity
which your post lacks....
: Seth
: "I'm not sensitive, and I don't pretend to be on the Internet"
--
William S. Rowell
: Jeez, you boys sure get riled up easy.... Because I posted in defense of
: remarks means I'm bitter? Hmmmm..... If you say so! I quoted Einstein
: for his brilliance, you dolt, not his gender.... And yes, I'm glad you
: can freely debate differing opinions with others, it shows the maturity
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yawn...
chalis
guys. Get some new material, dudes!
<Cybercrone shakes her head in dismay>
charles...@amd.com
> Jeez, you boys sure get riled up easy.... Because I posted in defense of
> a woman who'd asked for a number and received mulitudes of off-color
> remarks means I'm bitter? Hmmmm..... If you say so!
Let's just cruise back several posts in this thread... let's see, what
was it ol' Suz...@netcom.com said? Ah, yes... here it is:
> namby pamby piss-ant I'm-not-a-real-man-but-I-play-one-on-internet
Gee, Suze... you don't sound very honest. Matter of fact, you sound downright
disingenuous... not to mention rude and insulting.
> I quoted Einstein
> for his brilliance, you dolt, not his gender.... And yes, I'm glad you
^^^^^^^^
> can freely debate differing opinions with others, it shows the maturity
^^^^^^^^^^^
> which your post lacks....
C'mon Suze... here, we'll lend you a hand, help you up off your hands and knees
in the gutter.
There, isn't that better, without all that blood draining to your head and all?
--
personal opinions
wharfie
A number that's in the damn phone book, I might add. NOW is
at 55 N. IH-35. The number is 476-0486.
Reckon Southwestern Bell doesn't have any of those nasty ol'
patriarchs, huh?
charles...@amd.com
writes:
Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of things...
the kind you wouldn't expect of feminists, who have programmed themselves to
fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
It's kind of a knee-jerk thing. Need something, ask your support network for
it. Can't get it there, then get real frustrated and blame men for your
inability to get something for yourself.
Get criticised for it, then accuse those who criticise you of being
misogynistic women-bashers.
--
personal opinions
Jacob Kornerup
>In article <359qvl$3...@rambler.unisql.com> wr...@unisql.unisql.com (wharfie)
>writes:
>> In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com
>(Suz...@netcom.com) writes:
>> >I posted in defense of a woman who'd asked for a number
>>
>> A number that's in the damn phone book, I might add. NOW is
>> at 55 N. IH-35. The number is 476-0486.
>>
>> Reckon Southwestern Bell doesn't have any of those nasty ol'
>> patriarchs, huh?
>
>Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of things..
>fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
>
I posted this number two weeks ago. I got it from the phonebook, just like
everyone else. The next day I got a nice e-mail from the original poster
(the "feminist") thanking me for my posting. She had already looked it up,
unfortunately the number was disconnected and this was the reason for the
posting to austin.general.
Actually Charles, I have a feeling that you thrive from this network (read
austin.general) I wouldn't call the response that you get totally
supportive, but given the amount of traffic you generate, this must serve
as a serious support group for you.
Jacob (who loves feminist that aren't afraid to put on apir of heels)
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Jacob Kornerup (korn...@cs.utexas.edu) Vir prudens non contra
Department of Computer Sciences ventum mengit :-)
University of Texas, Austin
Lynn Woods
after reading this stuff.
In article <Cw3Av...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@amd.com wrote:
> In article <354los$g...@darkwing.cs.utexas.edu> tum...@cs.utexas.edu (Evelyn
> Tumlin) writes:
> > In article <Cw2no...@txnews.amd.com>, <charles...@amd.com> wrote:
> > >In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com
> (Suz...@netcom.com)
> > >What if some man had switched the word "man" for "woman?" in your above
> quote?
> > It would have been just as offensive as it is now
Agreed.
> >
> > >Admit it... like all feminists, you'd be crawling all over him, fangs out,
> > >tearing him apart for being bigotted against women.
> >
Isn't "ALL" a bit strong? Not exactly a statement to spread anything other
than more prejudice, is it?
> > Would she be wrong?
>
Egads. This argument is getting into the realm of the *ridiculous*
> --
Personal Comments;
Arguments like this always seem to get reduced into name calling/finger
pointing sessions that in the end represent nothing other than an
individuals personal prejudice.
Questions to ponder:
1. Why should I *not* be given the same opportunities as men? ( I should
mention, I feel I *have*, and yes, I've had my own personal unpleasant
experiences, but so what?! It's all in how you handle the situation)
2. Why should a bunch of apparently angry (bitter even) women speak for me
as if they know what *I* want, and what is important to me? Have they asked
me?
I really *really* hate arguments like this because it traps people like me
between two extremely unattractive 'enemy' camps. On one side there are the
few men who hate intelligent/independent women. On the other side there are
the few women who use their gender to abuse men (or at least the men who
venture to disagree with any iota of the feminist doctrine).
Would someone tell me why or how these two enemy parties *always* manage to
find one another??? It almost seems as if they go out *looking* for a
fight.
No flames please. Apologies to people whose names are listed as posters
whose opinions weren't put in here - I just gave up and left them all in
since sorting out who said what was a hopeless endeavor.
Lynn Woods
Motorola SPS
"Opinions although possibly pilfered from someone else are mine and
certainly not shared by my employer"
Jonathan Abbey
| the kind you wouldn't expect of feminists, who have programmed themselves to
| fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
|
| It's kind of a knee-jerk thing. Need something, ask your support network for
| it. Can't get it there, then get real frustrated and blame men for your
| inability to get something for yourself.
|
| Get criticised for it, then accuse those who criticise you of being
| misogynistic women-bashers.
Or at least a boring stereotypist.
| --
| personal opinions
--
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Jonathan Abbey jona...@arlut.utexas.edu
Applied Research Laboratories The University of Texas at Austin
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suz...@netcom.com
: Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of things...
: fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
: It's kind of a knee-jerk thing. Need something, ask your support network for
: it. Can't get it there, then get real frustrated and blame men for your
: inability to get something for yourself.
: Get criticised for it, then accuse those who criticise you of being
: misogynistic women-bashers.
And these are things that men don't do? Tell us more.... ;)
Suzie
charles...@amd.com
> In article <Cw6MH...@txnews.amd.com>, <charles...@amd.com> wrote:
> >In article <359qvl$3...@rambler.unisql.com> wr...@unisql.unisql.com (wharfie)
> >writes:
> >> In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com
> >(Suz...@netcom.com) writes:
> >> >I posted in defense of a woman who'd asked for a number
> >>
> >> A number that's in the damn phone book, I might add. NOW is
> >> at 55 N. IH-35. The number is 476-0486.
> >>
> >> Reckon Southwestern Bell doesn't have any of those nasty ol'
> >> patriarchs, huh?
> >
> >Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of
things..
> >the kind you wouldn't expect of feminists, who have programmed themselves to
> >fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
> >
>
> I posted this number two weeks ago. I got it from the phonebook, just like
> everyone else. The next day I got a nice e-mail from the original poster
> (the "feminist") thanking me for my posting. She had already looked it up,
> unfortunately the number was disconnected and this was the reason for the
> posting to austin.general.
Hmm,
Interesting that the post left out this information.
How inadvertent.
> Actually Charles, I have a feeling that you thrive from this network (read
> austin.general) I wouldn't call the response that you get totally
> supportive, but given the amount of traffic you generate, this must serve
> as a serious support group for you.
Hey Jacob,
Try addressing the issues, and leave the ad hominem stuff
to alt.flame.
--
personal opinions
charles...@amd.com
> ARGH!!!! My last shred of self control in ignoring these messages just died
> after reading this stuff.
>
> In article <Cw3Av...@txnews.amd.com>, charles...@amd.com wrote:
> > > >Admit it... like all feminists, you'd be crawling all over him, fangs
out,
> > > >tearing him apart for being bigotted against women.
> > >
>
> Isn't "ALL" a bit strong? Not exactly a statement to spread anything other
> than more prejudice, is it?
Here is an example of "ALL" a bit strong:
"All men are scum"
"All men are potential rapists"
"All marital sexual intercourse is a form of rape"
--
personal opinions
charles...@amd.com
> : Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of
things...
> : the kind you wouldn't expect of feminists, who have programmed themselves
to
> : fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
>
> : It's kind of a knee-jerk thing. Need something, ask your support network
for
> : it. Can't get it there, then get real frustrated and blame men for your
> : inability to get something for yourself.
>
> : Get criticised for it, then accuse those who criticise you of being
> : misogynistic women-bashers.
>
> And these are things that men don't do? Tell us more.... ;)
Hello in there! Anyone home? Think you left the lights on!
This is not about men, nor is it about women.
It's about feminists.
By the way, see my last sentence up there?
Thanks for making my point so succinctly!
--
personal opinions
Rick Shank
>
>Hey,
>Try addressing the issues, and leave the ad hominem stuff
>to alt.flame.
>
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Rick Shank
>: Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of things...
>: the kind you wouldn't expect of feminists, who have programmed themselves to
>: fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
>
>: It's kind of a knee-jerk thing. Need something, ask your support network for
>: it. Can't get it there, then get real frustrated and blame men for your
>: inability to get something for yourself.
>
>: Get criticised for it, then accuse those who criticise you of being
>: misogynistic women-bashers.
>
>And these are things that men don't do? Tell us more.... ;)
>
>
>
>Suzie
We never do this!!! By the way dear, what did you do with my shoes. You
women are always hiding stuff ...
American Research Grp. Inc
: > --
: Personal Comments;
: Arguments like this always seem to get reduced into name calling/finger
: pointing sessions that in the end represent nothing other than an
: individuals personal prejudice.
: Questions to ponder:
: 1. Why should I *not* be given the same opportunities as men? ( I should
: mention, I feel I *have*, and yes, I've had my own personal unpleasant
: experiences, but so what?! It's all in how you handle the situation)
: 2. Why should a bunch of apparently angry (bitter even) women speak for me
: as if they know what *I* want, and what is important to me? Have they asked
: me?
: Would someone tell me why or how these two enemy parties *always* manage to
: find one another??? It almost seems as if they go out *looking* for a
: fight.
Congratulations, American Research Group, Inc. is proud to present you
with the coveted Sanity Award. The only advice that we can offer when
these two factions approach is: run for cover.
--
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If we can put a man on the moon, | Karl Klingman
why can't we put Clinton there? | ar...@netcom.com
-- Obligatory Wit |
=============================================================================
Tom McDonald
<In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com (Suz...@netcom.com)
<writes:
<> charles...@amd.com wrote:
<> : Looking in the phone book would be one of those self-reliant kind of
<things...
<> : the kind you wouldn't expect of feminists, who have programmed themselves
<to
<> : fulfill all their needs from a network or support group.
<>
<> : It's kind of a knee-jerk thing. Need something, ask your support network
<for
<> : it. Can't get it there, then get real frustrated and blame men for your
<> : inability to get something for yourself.
<>
<> : Get criticised for it, then accuse those who criticise you of being
<> : misogynistic women-bashers.
<>
<> And these are things that men don't do? Tell us more.... ;)
<
<Hello in there! Anyone home? Think you left the lights on!
<
<This is not about men, nor is it about women.
<It's about feminists.
No, it's not. It's about trying to (mis-)characterize a group ("feminists")
by the behavior of a few extremists ("radical feminists").
Pathetic.
Tom McDonald
--
Tom McDonald ==> Email ==> t...@ibmoto.com
Microprocessor Design OR t...@austin.ibm.com
IBM/Motorola PowerPC Development (512)795-7340
--
Rick Shank
Actually, it is about bigotry highly developed through generations of ignorance.
People are too complex to label. I don't adhere to any group and thus labels
don't adhere to me.
"I yams what I yams" - Popeye
charles...@amd.com
> In article <Cw880...@txnews.amd.com>, <charles...@amd.com> wrote:
> <In article <suziejCw...@netcom.com> suz...@netcom.com
(Suz...@netcom.com)
> <writes:
> <> And these are things that men don't do? Tell us more.... ;)
> <
> <Hello in there! Anyone home? Think you left the lights on!
> <
> <This is not about men, nor is it about women.
> <It's about feminists.
>
>
> No, it's not. It's about trying to (mis-)characterize a group ("feminists")
> by the behavior of a few extremists ("radical feminists").
Nope, again.
Holding feminists responsible for what their spokes-persons say, until
so-called "non-radical feminists" is perfectly appropriate.
We keep hearing over and over again the chorus "I'm not a feminist" and "Those
are ~radical femininists~ don't blame me for what they say" but conveniently,
this is as far as self-criticism of feminism goes.
What you don't hear are the loud, ringing voices of criticism within the
feminist camp, rebutting their so-calld ~radical leaders~.
I think we all agree that when women really start to take responsibility for
their own movement and resoundingly rebuff the extremists in their midst, we
can all breath a sigh of relief, and get back to rational change based on human
rights, as opposed to special rights unearned by but garnered for
special-interest groups.
We're waiting, but it's mighty quiet out there.
--
personal opinions
David Springer
Herrick,
I usually ignore your sorry ass. Anyone whose name comes up as often
as yours around here has some SERIOUS problems. What'sa matter -
significant other don't respect you so you come here looking for it ?
Here's news for you. You aren't getting it here either.
I've known Suzie on the net for YEARS and you wouldn't make a pimple
on her lovely ass.
David Springer
Standard Disclaimers
Gibbons Burke
> Actually, it is about bigotry highly developed through generations
> of ignorance. People are too complex to label. I don't adhere to any
> group and thus labels don't adhere to me.
>
> "I yams what I yams" - Popeye
OK, teflon-dude... but does that stickless-ness apply to your gender?
^^^^^^^^^(Pun intended.)
--
Gibbons Burke
gibb...@io.com
Camel Van Lines: Humpin' to please!
William S. Rowell
: I've known Suzie on the net for YEARS and you wouldn't make a pimple
: on her lovely ass.
I am confident that with a little effort, we can continue this thread
until the original poster, a freshperson at UT, has completed her
undergraduate education and is well on her way to a Masters.
Nice mental imagery, by the way... :-)
Seth
Rick Shank
Clever, but rude. The answer is no. Why would you even bother to ask?